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  1. Three excuses. . . on Internet Searches Reveal CIA's Secrets · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FOXNews.com has published an article which may be of interest: Dispelling the CIA-Bin Laden Myth .

    Of interest to who?

    Those who forgot that FOX persecuted its own journalists for trying to expose Monsanto's BGH artificial hormone scam? That Fox fought against the whisltleblowers by arguing that FOX was not obligated under freedom of speech to tell the truth? --And won! And that they continue to persecute the journalists? Those guys?

    That's just one instance of FOX's bald faced lying and villainy. They are committed to lying for corporate and government interests. NOTHING they report is worth the spit it's sent on.

    There are SO many gaping holes in FOX's integrity that I can only see three excuses for anybody buying into their propaganda. 1. Laziness, 2. Foolishness, or 3. Being Evil.


    -FL

  2. Free Work is not foolish! on Mozilla Raking in Millions? · · Score: 1
    I think what this person means is that if you are writing free software as a student who is living on student loans, you are actually not just "doing it for free," but are rather *paying* to write free software, the bills for which will arrive later.

    Heck, when you attend college, you are *paying* to write free term papers, the bills for which will arrive later.

    I don't think that's particularly smart, but that's just my view.

    Indeed, I think that writing free code during your college years is a lot smarter than writing free term papers; The best way to get good at something is not to wait around for somebody to pay you to do it, or to attend lectures with your brain on 'snooze', but rather to follow your passion, jump in and start plying your craft. --Doing nothing has its advantages; it allows one to recoup energy and rest for a big take-off, but during one's school years it seems better to be very active, learning and doing as much as possible. --I hardly see the disadvantage to working on fun community projects during a period of time when you can afford to focus entirely on them. Yes, the bills will come, but they're going to come regardless when one is going to college.

    And who do you think has the better chance of employment after school ends? The students who wrote term papers or the students who honed their skills doing free apprenticship study and filling portfolios with volunteer works?

    If a kid came to me looking for a job, (and if I were hiring programmers), you can bet your boots my interest would perk when he said, "And I spent two hundred hours working on the latest Firefox currently deployed on your desktop."


    -FL

  3. Re:If You Work For Free, You Are an Idiot on Mozilla Raking in Millions? · · Score: 2, Insightful
    All you dreamy eyed college kids working for the 'community'....you are being had. When your college loans come due you will know what I mean.

    So. . . You don't do anything if you aren't being paid, (or unless you are paying some company for the pleasure of spending your time with their product or service)?

    I hope you are mis-reporting yourself.

    I use Firefox and I am very glad to have it. I am not a programmer, so I give my time in other ways to the world in the desire to make things better for the people around me. My community is a good and happy one, and it remains a good and happy one because a lot of people here enjoy donating their time and energy to others. It reciprocates nicely in all manner of ways which money cannot (and should not) measure.

    Living in a community filled only with people who refuse to lift a finger unless they are being paid sounds utterly and completely miserable.

    I'm not saying we don't all have bills at the end of the month. But I am saying that it's vital, if you want a healthy and happy community, that people learn to share and help each other. --Work-for-money fuels the basic structure. Work-for-free fills the structure with color and life.


    -FL

  4. Mod parent up. on Why Terror Financing is So Tough to Track Down · · Score: 1
    This, among the many discrepencies, stands out.

    There are so many holes in the official story that anybody who cannot see through it is either lazy, stupid or is eagerly looking forward to the day he is issued a side arm and the mandate to spy on his neighbors.


    -FL

  5. Uh. . . Does everybody else see why this is crap? on Why Terror Financing is So Tough to Track Down · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is complete crap. Following the money is not difficult. It is incredibly easy.

    The problem is not in the investigating. It's the fact that official investigators either don't like to do it, or if they do, their CO's don't allow them to do it because the people at the top know exactly where it will lead.

    For instance. . .

    Why is it that nobody has yet investigated the people who benefited directly from suspicious trades on the stock market in the couple of days leading up to 9/11? Isn't that one of the first things to be looked at in any criminal investigation?

    Well not here. And why EVER could that be? Well, because if you brought those people to light, it would expose the secret government behind the attacks. --And by "secret government", I am not talking about dark rooms filled with blinking lights and spy types. I'm simply talking about ranking members of the current structure in both the civil and military sides who all quietly hold certain views and unilaterally agree to wield their power toward common causes which the voting public has no knowledge of. It happens all the damned time. It's called by other names, like Cronyism, and Corruption.

    The rest of this is bullshit. Terrorism is a lark. (I'm not saying that there aren't very pissed off people with bombs, but I AM saying that they are strongly encouraged by governments eager to reap the benefits of fear they produce, which can easily be used to fortify a fascist government's rule.)

    And the apologist crap fed to us by the 9/11 commission, (created by the government to investigate the, um, government), was just more of the same line of garbage.

    I've been called a 'conspiracy theorist' by a lot of people who seem to think that label by itself invalidates everything I have to say, and they have told me for the absolute dumbest reasons that 'conspiracies do not exist'. I can't figure out how the heck the media managed to convince the public of this when organized crime clearly EXISTS, the Manhattan Project EXISTED quite effectively, and how people can say that "It's impossible to keep a secret", (which is true), but then ignore all the gushing leaks in the official story. "Those leaks don't mean anything because that would imply a conspiracy, and conspiracies don't exist because it's impossible for a government to keep a secret; there would be leaks!" Uh, yeah. Thanks for the insight.

    Anyway. . .

    The Christian Science Monitor? I'm sorry, but when religious twits with a made-up air of reason, (except where it concerns their sacred cows and various blind spots), tell me that "It's sooo hard to follow the money", I'm afraid I'm just not going to be able to take them very seriously.

    Please do not forget; The Christians are not just foolish, they are actually Insane. They WANT to see the end of the world. It's in their most sacred book of books as the Big Cool Thing which will launch them into Heaven. Let me repeat that; Christians actually want to see nukes dropping.

    --And the end of the world, in their view, must be preceded by the domination of Israel over the Middle East, which is why the U.S. sends so much funding over there. --Though, when the goal of Jewish domination over the Arab world has been met, if they don't all then convert to Christianity, they'd better watch out. The Savior has a mean attitude, after all. He's only nice and forgiving on some pages, apparently.

    So Christians Monitoring Science? Please.


    -FL

  6. Or. . . on Why Terror Financing is So Tough to Track Down · · Score: 1
    you could outlaw the CIA for their role in making damned sure there IS a drug trade.

    An example. . . (And perhaps you've heard this.) Before the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, (arguably the top producer of opium in the world), the Taliban had started burning its narcotic crops and Opium production fell dramatically. But now with the Taliban driven back into the scraggy foot hills under American rule, Opium production is back on top, and in fact, higher than ever before. Whew! That was close. The CIA's illegal war funding machine (the drug trade), almost lost a major contributor.


    -FL

  7. No we're not. on Why Terror Financing is So Tough to Track Down · · Score: 5, Insightful
    To win this war, you need to rephrase the whole thing. Define your enemy. In this case it would be Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia, maybe Syria soon too. But since the US population isn't ready to accept that this country is an imperialist on the scale of the Roman Empire, we have this stupid 'war on terror' confusion.

    What if things are going just peachy?

    What if the main objective is not to win the war, but to maintain a state of constant war? If this were the case, then it would achieve several things. . .

    1. It would keep the American Public in a state of perpetual fear. When people are scared, they don't think rationally. They don't mind having their freedoms revoked, they are much easier to herd like cattle. They do as they are told. The upshot being that the dictator gets to bend rules and stay in power for as long as he can maintain the state of 'war'.

    2. It keeps money flowing in huge amounts from the public coffers to the pockets of oil men and weapons salesmen, (both of which Bush is). His fellow staff share this trait. Peace is not profitable.

    Oil was selling at around $13 per barrel before the first Gulf War. When bombs started dropping in the desert, oil jumped to $40 per barrel. --A few people made a lot of money overnight. The brokers were wetting themselves. And they couldn't wait for it to happen again, which it has.

    I think the 'war on terror' confusion has more to do with deliberate marketing than with error.


    -FL

  8. What?????! on Why Terror Financing is So Tough to Track Down · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Singapore's example is a good one. The whole system is completely integrated. My library card becomes invalid the moment my employment pass is canceled. Similarly, the credit card company automatically sends me a closure statement and the IRAS gets the remaining funds from my bank account.

    FUCK Singapor.

    If you threaten the party line, they can cancel your existence? You can starve at the press of a button if you happen to hold views the reigning government dislikes? This is NOT a good system. Imagine what Bush would do if he had that power at his finger tips. --Not that he doesn't. He's already openly declared war on journalists and whistleblowers.

    Give me a society which is based on paper money with NO electronic banking. And heck, remove the concept of lending for profit, for that matter. (Usury used to be considered a sin for a good reason.)

    Terrorism is a lark. It is funded and quietly encouraged by Governments, and where there are no willing suicide bombers, good gosh, the secret services will damned well drug up children and send them into the line of fire with bombs around their necks; but not before calling the press first.

    Here's one example of fake terrorism using rockets.

    There is just so much to be gained by facists when the populace fear a made-up enemy of the state.


    -FL

  9. Re:Dude. . . on Toronto to Become One Huge Hotspot · · Score: 1

    Carl Sagan said it best himself: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    What's wrong with just plain old, 'evidence'? Why does it have to be 'extraordinary'? And what exactly counts as, 'extraordinary', --in terms of either claim or evidence? Who is it that decides? No, really. This is important to think about. Using such terms suggests that there is a pre-existing bias in the so-called scientist. A fact either is or is not, there is no coloration. Therefore, a critical mind should never slip into such emotional waters, and the fact that they often do points out a problem.

    I'm one of millions of residents of Toronto, and I've lived here for almost a decade. Never have I experienced, nor heard of anyone experiencing energy fields that made sleeping unbearable. I also know many other residents who don't have physical and stress problems.

    I lived there for more than twenty years before moving away, and I was not aware of energy until very late into those years when I began to focus on it and practice meditation, etc. Awareness grows from that point onward. Energy fields which affect populations are not supposed to be detectable, (or believed possible), by the average person. They lose their effectiveness otherwise. So I am not surprised at all that you can't sense them directly. But regardless of what you may think or believe is normal, everybody is very much affected.

    You're asking a lot of people if you expect them to assume that you have some extra-sensory abilities to feel energy waves (and make energy bubbles). As far as I know there isn't a single scientific study that supports those findings. If there is, I'm sure you could make some money off of James Randi.

    There is plenty of evidence, but you're not going to see it publicized. Scientific findings, like any other publication effort, takes marketing savvy, money and influence. And when it does find its way into the public sphere, it is ignored because it is not 'extraordinariy' enough, or whatever. But it's all there if you want to look for yourself, or better yet by far, go exploring yourself and perform your own experiments. Life is meant to be experienced.

    We all have these abilities. Energy is what you are made of, and you certainly have the faculties to detect what it is doing around you. It comes integrated with the human package. Whether one chooses to develop these faculties or not is up to each individual. When I write about my experiences in Toronto, I'm just sharing; those who know what I'm talking about or who are on the cusp of awareness might be able to benefit from my sharing, those who can't, won't. It would be no different than if I were to describe my time walking through a park. If you had blocked your ability to see trees or the color green, then I'm sure you'd spit and fume similarly. But I'm not asking people to assume that I have extra-sensory abilities because I don't care what people believe. I know what is, what I see, what I've experienced, and that's fine with me. Your ignorance is YOUR problem. Not mine.

    And anybody who brings up James Randi in serious discussion is quite lost. The man is a delusional ass. Think: Randi is a professional stage performer. This means he has a giant ego and seeks public approval above most other things. --He has his entire career and reputation and massive ego staked on his claims that 'magic' doesn't exist; on the accuracy of his so-called sceptic opinions. He cannot afford to have anybody call his bullshit and win his pretend prize because it would make him look like a fool, and there is nothing a man with a giant ego is more terrified of. --Other than, perhaps, his physical world view being unmade.

    Do some research into how Randi runs his affairs, read the accounts and the levels of emotion and unreason and arrogance the man displays. He is openly rude and rants like a child in his letters to people; there is not a serious scientific fiber in his being.

  10. Dude. . . on Toronto to Become One Huge Hotspot · · Score: 1
    Dude, the Dark Ages called - they want their "science" back.

    Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're smart.

    Having to point this out should serve as an illustration. You might try doing some research, (other than watching TeeVee), before you let the gas out of your mouth. You'll be better respected and drool less. Win, win.

    btw, SNL called; they said you can keep their lame joke and thanked you for not crediting them.


    -FL

  11. Yikes. Toronto is already a messed up town. on Toronto to Become One Huge Hotspot · · Score: 1
    I live in a small town which has comparatively little EM pollution, and I visited Toronto last summer and stayed a couple of weeks at the top of a 30-story high rise in the downtown core.

    There were several weird nights where the energy changes were very noticeable, but one night in particular was extra-noteworthy.

    I was in the living room around 8:00 in the PM, and the ambient energy started doing something very weird. You could feel it through your whole body, making your breathing quick and your head buzz. I was trying to get a grip on it when my girlfriend came into the room and demanded to know what kind of place I'd brought her to; she's energy sensitive to levels far beyond my own and when stuff like that starts, she flinches. It kept up for hours.

    We tried to sleep, but it was impossible. I tried rasing an energy bubble around myself as per my limited chi-training, and I think that might have helped a bit, but not enough to make any real difference. After an hour of feeling shitty, I got the bright idea of escaping to ground level to see if it was any better down there. Nope. Then we went underground to the pool in the basement.

    Whew. Instant relief! --You could feel the buzz reduce dramatically in intensity the moment we stepped out of the elevator. It was like being able to breathe again, a weight lifted. . , all of that. It was still there, but so far reduced that you could ignore it.

    We spent the next couple of hours in the pool and the gym, and we had the whole facility to ourselves. It was really nice.

    The moment we went back upstairs, though, wham! Right back into the middle of it. Ugh. It's hard to describe to people who have never spent time doing any energy awareness work, but it was like that feeling you get when you're leaning in close fiddling with the cable connection behind an active television. You don't know what it is exactly, but you can definitely feel something. Only this was stronger and vibrating; it seemed to put a pressure on your brain, in around the temples and eyes, and all through your heart and chest area. It's hard to describe, but it was quite unsettling.

    We didn't sleep much, and felt very trapped; like trying to escape physical pain. Then around 6:00 AM, it shut off, and the ambient energy shit of the city dropped back to its normal state, (not that there really is one; while I was in town, it changed flavors several times, and also did so region to region. The nicest area was East of the Don Valley. It's like they let things be on that side of the city).

    Anyway, at around 6:00 AM, when that really shitty buzz stopped, it was a major relief. I let out a deep breath and fell asleep for a couple of hours before the jack-hammers started up. (Construction crews doing work in the street.)

    Toronto would be a reasonably nice town without all the weird shit being done to it. I can't stand that place. It's not healthy. I don't know anybody living there who isn't experiencing some kind of fucked up health or stress problem.


    -FL

  12. Cash or check. on RFID, Sign of the (End) Times? · · Score: 1
    I found your pitch both inteligent and compelling and i wish to purchase your product and or service. :P

    I'm set up on Paypal and I take checks or money order. I have a full product line, but honestly, ideas are free. I think you may have mis-read my 'pitch'. But if you truly want to give me your money, I'd be happy to sell you a few items.


    -FL

  13. This is expected. on RFID, Sign of the (End) Times? · · Score: 1
    Fear = Food. The Evil Overlords want you stressed out and frightened.

    What better way than to engineer a fool's religion based on twisted truths and outright lies, line it up so that to follow that religion properly you need to at some point resolve yourself to shooting at other people who follow a slightly different color of the same lies and twisted truths.

    Why not drop in a few lines of 'Prophecy' about marks of the beast and not being able to enter the kingdom of blah blah blah if you are so tattooed, or whatever.

    Yes, VISA = 666. (VI= 6, Z=6 in one Ancient language and A=6 in the neighboring country's alphabet.) Yes, money is the root of all evil. Sure.

    The lie is that the 'Kingdom of Heaven' is a place with gate-keepers and bad-deed counters rather than a state of being which can be reached by anybody if they are willing to do the soul-work required.

    Be nice to people. Be aware. Be willing to learn. Be willing to access your will power and make your own choices.

    That's it. Growth comes from within, not from without. Grow enough, and you will transcend this reality and reach the so-called kingdom. (Just a higher state of being.) All the fancy mysticism and church-going nonsense about not getting caught with the Mark of the Beast is just a misdirection designed to keep all the little Christians acting like scared food.

    For goodness sake! Credit cards are just plastic. --Sure, love of the material world can keep you bound up in this reality, and sure the banks are nasty and manipulative. But so what? Your own intent and decisions are what bind or free you in the end. You can buy a sandwich or pay your rent and it's not going to make a lick of difference to your spiritual progress if you know how to keep things in perspective. The Bible is a lark; Telling us that some people get into Heaven and some people don't? For one thing, there is no Heaven; it's just a metaphor for enlightenment and spiritual transcendence. We are all part of God already, so the only way to get 'Left Behind' is to choose not to grow; to choose not to see. --Going to church, doing and believing as you are told by governments and clergy, fearing when your fear buttons are pressed. . , these ways are not the ways to reach your higher self. Your higher self only grows strong when you use your mind to question and challenge and push and think and act. Religion is about abandoning all that stuff.

    "Do Not Follow. Not following is a Key!"

    You see. . , if God is truly infinite, then what can possibly not be God? You? Me? --How arrogant to suggest that we are beyond the infinite! We are all part of God.

    We are all free if we choose to be so. Recognize RFID for what it is and act accordingly. Do not mindlessly fear it because some 2000 piece of fear-mongering spiritual propaganda tells you to stop thinking rationally.

    Have a good night.


    -FL

  14. How NSA access was built into Windows on No Backdoor in Vista · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This article makes for interesting reading. . .

    NSA and secret keys added to windows.

    Thanks for the link, truthsearch.


    -FL

  15. Stubbed toes and butterflies. . . on NASA Study Shows Antarctic Ice Sheet Shrinking · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My car is a system too, but when I put groceries in the trunk, the air conditioner doesn't blow out.

    Yes, and if you cycle the car's exhaust through your air conditioner while driving, you won't be getting your groceries back home.

    My body is a system too, but when I stub my toe, I don't get a cold.

    No, but you will hobble around cursing. And if you continually stub it, say, once every fifteen minutes, you'll probably do some ugly and lasting damage over the course of an afternoon and lose the ability to walk.

    The world economy is a system too, but when Enron and Worldcom collapsed, the European market didn't fall to pieces.

    No, but Enron and Worldcom are symptoms of the same problems which are causing Europe to slip into America's world war.

    Systems can absorb and recover from small changes. More significant inputs, however. . .

    People like to latch on to the metaphor that a butterfly flapping its wings can cause a hurricane, but the metaphor is bogus. No butterfly flapping its wings can cause a hurricane, and in fact, butterflies flap their wings all the time, and in the vast majority of the time, no hurricane follows. And not one hurricane in the history of mankind has ever been traced to a butterfly.

    Very apt. Thank-you.

    Now, let's do some math. . .

    If you take twenty liters of gasoline and put it in your car, drive for a week, and then look in your gas tank, the fuel is gone. Where did that twenty liters go? Did it vanish? No. It turned into carbon gas. About Thirty Kilograms worth of carbon gas. (The weight goes up by one third, because while you're breaking down the HC of gasoline, you're adding two O's to each C, creating the CO2 which is the byproduct from a properly running combustion engine.). You complain about people mis-interpreting the butterfly analogy. I complain about people thinking that just because CO2 is an invisible gas it means that it doesn't have any basic physical attributes. Like mass.

    Now, let's say you fill your tank up every week during a year. 52 weeks x 30 kilograms. --That works out to about 1500 kilograms per year; 1.5 metric tons of carbon dioxide you are putting into the atmosphere every year.

    Let's multiply that by the number of cars in the average city. . , say, half a million. Then let's multiply that by the number of industrialized cities in the world. . .

    Hm. It starts to look like a rather a lot of carbon, eh? Sort of in the billions of kilotons per year region, and all of it put into the atmosphere. --Another way to look at it is to consider the millions of barrels of oil burned every day. Each barrel burned turns into 1.5 times its weight in carbon gas. Every day.

    Now the question is. . , are we talking in terms of stubbed toes and butterfly wings, or are we talking about billions of kilotons of carbon gas added to the atmosphere every year?


    -FL

  16. Fear on NASA Study Shows Antarctic Ice Sheet Shrinking · · Score: 1
    What I'm trying to say is that I reckon that climate change deniers do so with the implicit assumption that it won't affect them.

    I think you're giving them too much credit.

    I suspect the real motivation has more to do with basic, garden variety Fear. As in, "If I shout and deny with enough force, then the truth will back off, I can live in a bubble of wishful thinking and go about my day without having to think about scary ideas."


    -FL

  17. Right. on No Backdoor in Vista · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Over my dead body,' he wrote in his post titled Back-door nonsense."

    I suspect the NSA, (who I seem to recall left a few stray tags lying around in a previous version of Windows' code), would look at you dead-pan and agree.


    -FL

  18. Re:Oh, for goodness sake. . ! on Senate Passes Patriot Act Renewal · · Score: 1
    It does appear that historically every attempt to quash this instinct has failed.

    I don't think this is true.

    --In many early societies, communities formed naturally and functioned well. People who screwed around and pissed everybody off got kicked out and had to live out in the cold by themselves. In difficult environments, living solo can be quite a lot less than fun. The loneliness factor by itself illustrates one of the prime values of community.

    People who look out for 'Number One' may indeed manage to screw their community and end up with lots of material wealth, but the cost is that they will have great trouble forming deep or meaningful friendships, (where being able to give and receive the trust that one's back is being watched is essential), and will thus miss out on the core joys of community.

    But that's just my take. I tend to love the people around me. And guess what? Beyond making sure that I keep my act together and don't fall down on the job, I don't have to look out for number one, because I know a dozen people who would give their shirt to me, --and I know I'd do almost anything for any of them.

    What does Number One have when the chips are down and life serves up a turd?


    -FL

  19. Oh, for goodness sake. . ! on Senate Passes Patriot Act Renewal · · Score: 1
    The Omni Center? For Peace, Justice, and More Drugs? That's your fascism reference? Have anything a little less moonbat-ish?

    Wow. It never fails. The ignorant are always the loudest.

    You don't even know where those references came from, do you?

    What bloody difference does it make which site they happen to be reproduced on? It doesn't take away from their relevance.

    But then, you are clearly opposed to actually reading and thinking. You've already made up your mind and no amount of hard data or logic is going to roust you from your little make-believe paradigm. --Ignore anything which illustrates the falsehoods of your position and yell nice and loud. Good plan.

    You're sure to avoid the camps with that attitude. Heck, you might even land a nice job with Bush's goon squad putting other liberal suckers behind the barbed wire. It's every man for himself, eh?


    -FL

  20. Uh, right. on Senate Passes Patriot Act Renewal · · Score: 0, Troll
    by legitimate, I mean something pursuant to your daily life. Not simply being a dick to protest how 'inherently unjust' the Patriot Act is.

    Most Germans who didn't rock the boat and obediently went to wave swastikas at the rallys didn't have much direct cause to complain about within Nazi Germany either. Unless they were Communists. Or Gays. Or Liberals. Or physically disfigured. Or Jews.

    Haliburton was just awarded by the Pentagon a 350 million dollar contract to build internment camps on American soil.

    I'm sure there were people who offered your kind of sentiment in Germany during the 30's as well.

    Congratulations. You'll look spiffy in your party armband. And after Bush crashes the economy, the only good jobs left will be those which involved carrying a side arm and rounding up people with less than white skin.

    You'll do just fine, I'm sure.

    But you'll pardon the rest of us, 'dicks' who think you are a self-serving tool.


    -FL

  21. You're going to do rather well. . . on Slashback: Enigma, Google, Java Games · · Score: 1
    in the new tyranny, aren't you?

    Remarks which support the current leadership will put the people who make them in line for nice cushy positions behind the iron fist of the New Fascism, (served up American-Style).

    I salute you. Really. Please don't report me to the Homeland goon squad for my flagrant association with my brown-skinned friends. I cower under your suspicious glare. Honest. You really do send chills down my spine.

    --After all, that recent contract awarded to Haliburton to build spiffy new Detention Camps on American soil will just be there for show, right?


    -FL

  22. One man's opinion. . . on Microsoft Claims Worlds Best Search Engine Soon · · Score: 1
    Do you think perhaps a Microsoft chief might be paid to make unrealistically optimistic claims that share holders want to hear?

    This is a non-story


    -FL

  23. Okay. So then. . . on New York Times sues DoD over Domestic Spying · · Score: 1
    I believe in what we're doing. You don't. We'll just have to part ways on that.

    Fair enough. But at the risk of boring you. . .

    Well, Osama fessing up to it kind of colors my thinking on the whole deal...

    The problem is that you are again assuming that the secret services are telling you the truth. There's plenty of question surrounding the authenticity of the various tapes and recordings of Osama. In particular, on that website, (half-way down) look at the series of images of Osama and read the accompanying notes.

    I have little doubt that Osama was involved, but the fact that he was a CIA asset causes me to think that the U.S. secret services were involved or at least aware of his activities and deliberately allowed him to proceed.

    I don't believe in large goverment conspiracies anymore, mainly because of three things...

      * Government secrets are the shortest lived secrets of all

      * The larger an organization is, the harder it is to cover things up

      * I simply don't think human beings as a group are competent enough to pull off that large and elaborate a hoax

    Ah, this is the meat of the matter. I've heard these arguments before, and no offense to you, but they are flawed.

    First of all, you are right; big secrets CAN'T be kept very well. There are leaks all over the place, as we see regularly. The thing is, most people refuse to look at those leaks. They look at network news, (which has a vested interest in lying; the CIA has boasted that during WWII, it owned every major human asset in the media, and the major media outlets have admitted to having proudly played right along with them. To think that this system has changed makes little sense. I know people in the media who have had their stories squashed for going against the party line. It happens all the time.)

    The fact is that even with all the leaks, people have been conditioned to ignore discordant data and assume that, "Governments Can't Keep Secrets" and think therefore that they do not keep secrets. This is circular logic.

    As for people not being smart enough to pull of a giant hoax. . . Sure they are! The Manhattan Project is a great example of a giant, well orchestrated government secret. It had leaks, I am sure, but for the most part, the world was stunned into silence when Japan had two of its cities vaporized. Of course, Bush might not personally be so capable of planning anything, but Bush is also a chimp on a string. He's just a dumb face and by no means the brains of his outfit.

    To not believe in conspiracies is irrational. You might just as well say, "I do not believe in corruption." Same thing. Particularly when those keeping the secrets are either a) scared for their lives, or b) greedy bastards who have a vested interest in keeping things quiet.

    That's all. Do as you will.


    -FL

  24. Re:Gotta hand it to you, FL... on New York Times sues DoD over Domestic Spying · · Score: 1
    I was actually a consultant to the 9/11 commission working for the NYPD. The only thing full of holes is your reasoning ability.

    Really? In what capacity did you offer your consultation? Can you describe your contribution to the inquiry? Thanks!


    -FL

  25. I have got to ask. . . on New York Times sues DoD over Domestic Spying · · Score: 1
    Debating within the constraints of the 'official story' is kinda pointless when officialdom is so very questionable, don't you think?

    See, I'm still of the general belief that elements of the government bombed itself using dupe agents. I've seen exactly no evidence of any weight whatsoever to say otherwise, whereas there is a ton of evidence and sound reason telling us that the official story is full of gaping holes.

    If that's the case, then this whole, "We are at war," claim is total misdirection aimed at keeping us from stringing up the criminals in office.

    But it is fair to ask first, and I am curious, why is it that you believe in the Televised version of events? Have you simply done no real research, or do you have a solid reason for thinking that the events you've been told happened did so as described? I mean, it's the Pentagon which is relaying the blow by blow to the news casters, (more than 90% of the data about the war comes from government press releases), and we know they're a bunch of liars. So, logically, one would assume. . .


    -FL