Is it a sad commentary on the US that the general press in NL carry this as a hot/lead story, while over here it would be blip on the general press radar? Perhaps that's my age showing that I 'remember when...' this would have been a big deal in general in the US; now I think it would only be in certain interested groups.
Amen. I used to read the fine print on packaging of games and hardware to look for confirmation of compatability. Now I want to see what login/access stipulations are required. I know I'm fighting a losing battle, but I'm just not interested in providing a company with my key personal data AND my hard-earned cash. Let me toil away in obscurity if *I* choose; I know I can expose myself (informationally speaking) at any time by clicking 2 buttons or 'answering a short survey' in exchange for a free 6-pack of coke.
... or shall we say 'co-erced'? I worked for system integration companies for several years (98-02) which sold a large number of Apple based systems. What several others have deduced is correct: as an Authorized Apple reseller, you agree to sell their products for certain prices or lose your Authorized status. The profit for the reseller varied by the MSRP - the higher the price, the wider the profit margin. So you made barely $100 (US) on an iMac, almost $200 on a dual USB iBook (2001), but $500 and up on a mid- to high end G4. [Makes me wonder how much vendors make on the Xserve and Xserve RAID...]
The only 'deals' you find (outside of free add-ons, as others have mentioned) are resellers who have lost (or are not renewing) their Authorized Reseller status. Then all bets are off and the vendor can clean house....
Unfortunately, there are only a few each year that are in that position, and they tend to have small inventories. The best 'deal' on Apple product otherwise are from those vendors that refurbish products (e.g.- SmallDog). Then you can get $100+ off the products which were returns, open boxes, or demos.
Apple tends to just pay for licensing - whether it needs to or not. I read recently that they have paid (and still do pay) licensing fees to SCO. They paid RAMBUS when that patent infringement issue came up a few years ago.
The article says The idea of walking up to a PC in sleep mode and hitting a button, which would instantly activate a specific app, is compelling. The OS would manage all the applications in the background. If you wanted to switch apps, you hit another hot key. Work files could be stored in yet another "button."
Though you still boot to the 'desktop', OS 9.x has a hotkey setup which will open a specific app, file, folder (e.g.- the "Documents" folder), control panel, etc. when you press a predefined F-key. It is setup in the Keyboard control panel. No, this isn't 'obvious' to the new user, but it is in the Help Center which is the first item in the Help menu when you start up. If you search under 'one key' or 'f key', you can find information and instructions on how to open the Keyboard control panel and set the F keys (all with mouse clicks, BTW).
Once apps are running, hitting their F-key again brings them to the front. There are also 2 other ways of switching between running apps.: command+tab cycles through them (just as alt+tab does in Windoze); and the 'Finder Menu' in the upper right corner of the menu bar shows all open applications - clicking on one there brings it to the front. OS 9.1 adds a new menu to the menu bar in the Finder (desktop): Window. It lists all open folders on the desktop when you are in the Finder - clicking on one there brings it to the front.
Does OS X support all of these as well? I would guess so, but haven't used it enough to know....
Mice could be replaced by a tiny cordless ring that is put on the finger. That would be a HUGE improvement.
Interesting idea. A pointer (optical?) that would click when you tapped it, etc.? Or perhaps one worn on the finger tip (width - 3/4" (the finger pad), length about 1" (tip to first joint)) - Basically a reverse trackpad worn on the finger tip.
Larkost gets back to the original Question asked by FusionJunky: will Apple port OS X to x86. I think it is pretty safe to say 'No.'
They have Darwin running on x86 now, and several of the OS X related sites have info regarding that. I think that Darwin _may_ be officially ported to x86 in the not too distant future (before the end of 2001?), but OS X is going to stay on Apple hardware. Hardware is Apple's business - SlashGeek and several others got that right.
biglig2 takes this in the direction Apple is giving people: port/use Gnome or KDE on Darwin/x86. This gives you the underpinnings of OS X on x86, but with GUI un*x users are used to. In that case, why even use Darwin/x86? Well, if you are a developer, there is the possibility of having a compiler for OS X/Apple HW that runs on Darwin/x86 (something like NeXTSTEP's ProjectBuilder, as dschuetz notes). This would let you make use of cheap x86 HW.
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I went to that link and it is pretty much the same description as in Apple's TIL article, except with photos instead of line art images. While it isn't as easy as the average ATX tower (let alone a G4), removing 4 screws and 4 cables then sliding out a small motherboard and doesn't seem _that_ complicated to me. The iMac is an all-in-one design - which tends to force trade-offs with easy access.
But Darwin is/has been ported to x86 hardware. So I would venture to guess that parts of OSX will show up as ports to x86/Darwin.
What OS X allows that the Mac OS could not before is allow out of the box access to other OS machines over a network. No reliance on DAVE, MacNFS, etc.
Actually, on almost every new Mac I have seen, the OS is already installed on the HD. You don't have the option to click a 'no, I don't agree' button. But yes, in a sense, the 'OS tax' will continue. When the hardware manufacturer makes the OS too, it doesn't really matter which 'authorized reseller' you buy the box from, it will come with the manufacturer's OS on it.
While I am not immune to the idea of living 'out in the wilderness', I would just like to have that technology available at a reasonable price for regular homes/apartments complexes. It would be great in mostly sunny areas (Southwest/South US, Mediterranean, etc.) to be able to get 80+% (assuming a cheaper, scaled down version of this panel/fuel cell setup is sold for the home market) of your power from solar panels.
...I would love to see Chuck Close do something with this idea. Several years ago at the Santa Barbara Museum of Art, I got to see a self-portrait Chuck Close did with THUMBPRINTS. It was about 4' by 3' and I was floored. The amount of time and work it must have taken is amazing to think about.
If you have never seen any of his self portraits, you are missing a great work. Many of his self-portrait head shots are 10-12 feet high, by about 8 feet wide. He subdivides the entire canvas into small 1-4 inch squares. Then he paints abstract designs into each square. But when you stand about 5 feet from the canvas you see it is actually an awesome self-portrait. Think pontillism writ-large. So maybe Chuck could do a self-portrait in the same way Tom Kemp did this work.
"As a side bonus, if you survive the 50+ mb download, you can log in to OS X's console and run the X server directly from there, if you so choose."
Note the above method which was mentioned later in the article, which I would think would be faster than the main method, since the Xvnc/VNC/viewer "...winds up being slow because everything is rendered several times: once in Xvnc's virtual framebuffer, which gets translated into VNC, sent to the VNC Viewer application, and then finally displayed on the screen.").
...not that I am say things about my employer, etc., but that a quick personal note regarding, say, my weekend plans, will be read. Lucky for me, my company wouldn't.
However I have a friend who is afraid to send an email saying "I had fun at the movies Sunday, let's do it next weekend too" because her company has made such a big deal about personal email on company pcs. That company already blocks all web access (so no webmail), and put every new hire on probation for 6 mos. She's almost done with that, but she's still paranoid.
and yes, she should get another job, but it isn't that easy for her. And I am concerned about the attitude of companies that basically assume that their employees are going to screw around on the job such that they block web access and monitor emails to 'keep employees in line'. That speaks to something being wrong in management right off.
...took 9 months of complaining by the techs (basically, me) to decide they should pay the on call person. They started paying $100/week flat rate (0 to 100 calls). Support was 24/7 and had a 30 min. response time. There was no on-site support involved. Their were about 5 after hours calls per week (outside the regular 8 Am to 6 PM M-F time). Most call times avgd. 20-30 mins., so it was quite rare to get a call short enough to duck outside for 5 mins to answer. It wasn't worth it for the $100.
I do like several of the arrangements I have seen in other postings here.... They start to compensate you for your loss of free time, not just the extra work time....
shiite! I just took a closer look at the little flash movie they have on that Sony Japan link. The f*cking thing has a volume wheel just like the damn QuickTime interface!
While I understand (what I take to be) the idea behind this new look, I have to ask: 'WTF were they thinking?'
Going (aethetically) against the bright candy colors brought out by the iMac is an idea that could sell very well, especially with the breadth of the VAIO line. But it looks like: 1) they rushed to market soon after they got the prototype design, and/or 2) they really don't quite have the "minimalist"/"clean & restrained" look sorted out in their (design dept.'s) head....
I have to grudgingly agree. While even the worst Linux distro I've tried (which shall remain unnamed) is better than NT (don't get me started on 98), FreeBSD has been damn good. But at the same time, I love the excitement that comes from the Linux community. I am torn...
I am still running back and forth on my old x86 hardware (3 boxes, 1 FreeBSD, and 2 dual boot Linux/*BSD), but the BSD experience has just had a better 'feeling' than Linux (and I am not talking GUI).
But I know that even if I settle on FreeBSD as my 'main' OS, i will still keep one of those old x86 boxes running asstd. new Linux distros as they are released. Linux gets a lot of the 'good shit' faster than FreeBSD (part of that excitement again), so it is nice to check it out 'natively' before going to FreeBSD's binary compatibility.
About 3 hours after installing Mac OS X on a beige G3/300, 256MB RAM, 6 GB IDE HD (OS X on it's own 2.5 GB partition on the HD).
I was showing a friend the password field that comes up (if you click on the little lock in the lower left corner of the window) when you try to change the startup disk (partition). I had entered it wrong once already then didn't enter any password and just hit enter. It gave me the "incorrect name or password" dialog. I left that one up, and clicked on the desktop in the background, then wend to the Dock and clicked on Sherlock.
The screen blinked, then error codes came up OVER the top of the desktop. I.e.-I had the GUI in the background and a DOS-type (white text on black background) listing over the top of it down the left side of the screen. This is what it said:
Unresolved kernel trap: 0x300 Data access DSISR=0x40000000 DAR=0x5854000 PC=0x00045414
Generating stack backtrace prior to panic:
backtrace: 0x00045414.... (blah, blah, blah) and it ended with:
Waiting for remote debugger connection.
Options Type
continue c
reboot r
I choose 'c', and it panicked (sp?) again:
Continuing....
panic (cpu 0): 0x300 data access.... blah blah blah.... and this time I chose 'r' and it rebooted (to the OS X gui login) and was fine from then on. I could not replicate it later on.
I installed OS X on another Mac, a Snow iMac DV SE with only the standard configuration (128 MB RAM, etc.). Here I installed it 'over' OS 9.0.4.
I was watching the console for info on the error I found and was replicating (Apple System Profiler crashing at certain mouseclicks - console log says "We shold not be seeing a mouse moved event in TrackMouseLocation. We lost a mouseup somewhere."), when a Finder window I had open deep in the background closed. I went to the Dock to click on the desktop icon (to get a new finder window) and showed the desktop as active, but wouldn't give me a Finder window. I ended up having to force a reboot (I couldn't get to the Desktop to select Log Out or Shutdown). When it rebooted and I logged in, the same thing happened right off. I couldn't get to the desktop. I had left the OS X CD in the drive, and with the slot loading iMacs, you can't force eject the CD. I ended up rebooting to the OS X CD, then reinstalling OS X to get a desktop and eject the CD. Then I rebooted from the OS 9 CD and reinstalled OS 9 while creating 2 drive partitions. This gives me a 'backup' boot drive if I get that serious a loop going again.
I would agree with several other posters - the people who skip more classes or just don't want to be in class are the ones who are/will purchase "Notes for Econ. 101, Prof. John Smith".
The companies will get into either 'Just the notes (on the board), ma'am' or alternatively, 'exact transcripts including coughs and sneezes' note-taking methods. But that tends to lead to missing info (in the first case) or with way too much info (how to weed out off topic wanderings from What Is On The Test?). Either way, the students who buy the notes are either 1) not concerned with very high grades in that course (or they wouldn't trust someone else to interpret the lectures); 2) relatively lazy/uninterested in actually learning the subject (as opposed to learning for grades/just to pass); or 3) freshmen.
In 10 yrs (grad/undergrad & teaching) have found that the people who would buy notes are the ones who don't really pay attention or take many/good notes when they are in the classroom. So I don't think this is going to cause any 'new' issues in education, except perhaps to lead a few more freshmen (freshpersons?) astray.... But if they have more than a spoonful of grey matter, those wandering freshmen should have the prob. figured out by early second quarter/semester....
As a user of FreeBSD as well as Linux, why it doesn't it get ported to smaller devices? This may be bit too ignorant for an Ask Slashdot Q, so I am asking here. Anyone have particulars on the issues for (any) BSD to port to smaller devices (i.e.- not just "becuz *BSD sux")?
Or Rachel Hunter or a couple of women on the Australian Soccer team or....
And please, like the US doesn't have it's fair share (or more, if you count ugliness due to post-implant probs.) of ugly women (and men)...
I installed OS X on a beige G3/300 tower (256 MB RAM/6 GB IDE HD), but I had 2 partitions set up (1 for OS 8.6, and one for OS X).
I haven't had any problems, but you cannot (and I believe this holds whether or not you install OS X on the same partition or a separate one) launch the Classic 'app' in order to access your OS 9 programs. When you try to, Classic will say you do not have OS 9 installed. And on my machine, when booted to OS X, and I go to the 8.6 partition and try to launch an app it says (paraphrased) "This is not OS 9, you must install OS 9 to run Classic and Classic applications". That's fine with me at the moment. Besides, I feel better about having separate partitions for OS X and OS 8.6, in case of crashes....
Yes, crashes. I will be a bastard and do a second posting, but I crashed the system (yes the SYSTEM, not an app) within 3 hours of installing. However I can't recreate it, so it must have been some confluence of events/beta bug. I can crash Apple System Profiler at will - within 5 seconds of opening it. See my other posting for more info....
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Is it a sad commentary on the US that the general press in NL carry this as a hot/lead story, while over here it would be blip on the general press radar? Perhaps that's my age showing that I 'remember when...' this would have been a big deal in general in the US; now I think it would only be in certain interested groups.
(and I'm with MarkvW on DPI. damn i'm old... :)
Amen. I used to read the fine print on packaging of games and hardware to look for confirmation of compatability. Now I want to see what login/access stipulations are required.
I know I'm fighting a losing battle, but I'm just not interested in providing a company with my key personal data AND my hard-earned cash. Let me toil away in obscurity if *I* choose; I know I can expose myself (informationally speaking) at any time by clicking 2 buttons or 'answering a short survey' in exchange for a free 6-pack of coke.
... or shall we say 'co-erced'?
I worked for system integration companies for several years (98-02) which sold a large number of Apple based systems. What several others have deduced is correct:
as an Authorized Apple reseller, you agree to sell their products for certain prices or lose your Authorized status. The profit for the reseller varied by the MSRP - the higher the price, the wider the profit margin. So you made barely $100 (US) on an iMac, almost $200 on a dual USB iBook (2001), but $500 and up on a mid- to high end G4. [Makes me wonder how much vendors make on the Xserve and Xserve RAID...]
The only 'deals' you find (outside of free add-ons, as others have mentioned) are resellers who have lost (or are not renewing) their Authorized Reseller status. Then all bets are off and the vendor can clean house....
Unfortunately, there are only a few each year that are in that position, and they tend to have small inventories. The best 'deal' on Apple product otherwise are from those vendors that refurbish products (e.g.- SmallDog). Then you can get $100+ off the products which were returns, open boxes, or demos.
Apple tends to just pay for licensing - whether it needs to or not. I read recently that they have paid (and still do pay) licensing fees to SCO. They paid RAMBUS when that patent infringement issue came up a few years ago.
Though you still boot to the 'desktop', OS 9.x has a hotkey setup which will open a specific app, file, folder (e.g.- the "Documents" folder), control panel, etc. when you press a predefined F-key. It is setup in the Keyboard control panel. No, this isn't 'obvious' to the new user, but it is in the Help Center which is the first item in the Help menu when you start up. If you search under 'one key' or 'f key', you can find information and instructions on how to open the Keyboard control panel and set the F keys (all with mouse clicks, BTW).
Once apps are running, hitting their F-key again brings them to the front. There are also 2 other ways of switching between running apps.: command+tab cycles through them (just as alt+tab does in Windoze); and the 'Finder Menu' in the upper right corner of the menu bar shows all open applications - clicking on one there brings it to the front. OS 9.1 adds a new menu to the menu bar in the Finder (desktop): Window. It lists all open folders on the desktop when you are in the Finder - clicking on one there brings it to the front.
Does OS X support all of these as well? I would guess so, but haven't used it enough to know....
Interesting idea. A pointer (optical?) that would click when you tapped it, etc.? Or perhaps one worn on the finger tip (width - 3/4" (the finger pad), length about 1" (tip to first joint)) - Basically a reverse trackpad worn on the finger tip.
They have Darwin running on x86 now, and several of the OS X related sites have info regarding that. I think that Darwin _may_ be officially ported to x86 in the not too distant future (before the end of 2001?), but OS X is going to stay on Apple hardware. Hardware is Apple's business - SlashGeek and several others got that right.
biglig2 takes this in the direction Apple is giving people: port/use Gnome or KDE on Darwin/x86. This gives you the underpinnings of OS X on x86, but with GUI un*x users are used to. In that case, why even use Darwin/x86? Well, if you are a developer, there is the possibility of having a compiler for OS X/Apple HW that runs on Darwin/x86 (something like NeXTSTEP's ProjectBuilder, as dschuetz notes). This would let you make use of cheap x86 HW.
I went to that link and it is pretty much the same description as in Apple's TIL article, except with photos instead of line art images. While it isn't as easy as the average ATX tower (let alone a G4), removing 4 screws and 4 cables then sliding out a small motherboard and doesn't seem _that_ complicated to me. The iMac is an all-in-one design - which tends to force trade-offs with easy access.
What OS X allows that the Mac OS could not before is allow out of the box access to other OS machines over a network. No reliance on DAVE, MacNFS, etc.
Actually, on almost every new Mac I have seen, the OS is already installed on the HD. You don't have the option to click a 'no, I don't agree' button. But yes, in a sense, the 'OS tax' will continue. When the hardware manufacturer makes the OS too, it doesn't really matter which 'authorized reseller' you buy the box from, it will come with the manufacturer's OS on it.
But where can you get a copy of A/UX _now_? I'd like to give it a whirl, especially on one of the older Macs I have access to.
While I am not immune to the idea of living 'out in the wilderness', I would just like to have that technology available at a reasonable price for regular homes/apartments complexes. It would be great in mostly sunny areas (Southwest/South US, Mediterranean, etc.) to be able to get 80+% (assuming a cheaper, scaled down version of this panel/fuel cell setup is sold for the home market) of your power from solar panels.
If you have never seen any of his self portraits, you are missing a great work. Many of his self-portrait head shots are 10-12 feet high, by about 8 feet wide. He subdivides the entire canvas into small 1-4 inch squares. Then he paints abstract designs into each square. But when you stand about 5 feet from the canvas you see it is actually an awesome self-portrait. Think pontillism writ-large. So maybe Chuck could do a self-portrait in the same way Tom Kemp did this work.
Note the above method which was mentioned later in the article, which I would think would be faster than the main method, since the Xvnc/VNC/viewer "...winds up being slow because everything is rendered several times: once in Xvnc's virtual framebuffer, which gets translated into VNC, sent to the VNC Viewer application, and then finally displayed on the screen.").
thoughts?
However I have a friend who is afraid to send an email saying "I had fun at the movies Sunday, let's do it next weekend too" because her company has made such a big deal about personal email on company pcs. That company already blocks all web access (so no webmail), and put every new hire on probation for 6 mos. She's almost done with that, but she's still paranoid.
and yes, she should get another job, but it isn't that easy for her. And I am concerned about the attitude of companies that basically assume that their employees are going to screw around on the job such that they block web access and monitor emails to 'keep employees in line'. That speaks to something being wrong in management right off.
...took 9 months of complaining by the techs (basically, me) to decide they should pay the on call person. They started paying $100/week flat rate (0 to 100 calls). Support was 24/7 and had a 30 min. response time. There was no on-site support involved. Their were about 5 after hours calls per week (outside the regular 8 Am to 6 PM M-F time). Most call times avgd. 20-30 mins., so it was quite rare to get a call short enough to duck outside for 5 mins to answer. It wasn't worth it for the $100. I do like several of the arrangements I have seen in other postings here.... They start to compensate you for your loss of free time, not just the extra work time....
shiite! I just took a closer look at the little flash movie they have on that Sony Japan link. The f*cking thing has a volume wheel just like the damn QuickTime interface!
Going (aethetically) against the bright candy colors brought out by the iMac is an idea that could sell very well, especially with the breadth of the VAIO line. But it looks like: 1) they rushed to market soon after they got the prototype design, and/or 2) they really don't quite have the "minimalist"/"clean & restrained" look sorted out in their (design dept.'s) head....
I am still running back and forth on my old x86 hardware (3 boxes, 1 FreeBSD, and 2 dual boot Linux/*BSD), but the BSD experience has just had a better 'feeling' than Linux (and I am not talking GUI).
But I know that even if I settle on FreeBSD as my 'main' OS, i will still keep one of those old x86 boxes running asstd. new Linux distros as they are released. Linux gets a lot of the 'good shit' faster than FreeBSD (part of that excitement again), so it is nice to check it out 'natively' before going to FreeBSD's binary compatibility.
I was showing a friend the password field that comes up (if you click on the little lock in the lower left corner of the window) when you try to change the startup disk (partition). I had entered it wrong once already then didn't enter any password and just hit enter. It gave me the "incorrect name or password" dialog. I left that one up, and clicked on the desktop in the background, then wend to the Dock and clicked on Sherlock.
The screen blinked, then error codes came up OVER the top of the desktop. I.e.-I had the GUI in the background and a DOS-type (white text on black background) listing over the top of it down the left side of the screen. This is what it said:
Unresolved kernel trap: 0x300 Data access DSISR=0x40000000 DAR=0x5854000 PC=0x00045414
Generating stack backtrace prior to panic:
backtrace: 0x00045414 .... (blah, blah, blah) and it ended with:
Waiting for remote debugger connection.
Options Type
continue c
reboot r
I choose 'c', and it panicked (sp?) again:
Continuing....
panic (cpu 0): 0x300 data access .... blah blah blah.... and this time I chose 'r' and it rebooted (to the OS X gui login) and was fine from then on. I could not replicate it later on.
I installed OS X on another Mac, a Snow iMac DV SE with only the standard configuration (128 MB RAM, etc.). Here I installed it 'over' OS 9.0.4.
I was watching the console for info on the error I found and was replicating (Apple System Profiler crashing at certain mouseclicks - console log says "We shold not be seeing a mouse moved event in TrackMouseLocation. We lost a mouseup somewhere."), when a Finder window I had open deep in the background closed. I went to the Dock to click on the desktop icon (to get a new finder window) and showed the desktop as active, but wouldn't give me a Finder window. I ended up having to force a reboot (I couldn't get to the Desktop to select Log Out or Shutdown). When it rebooted and I logged in, the same thing happened right off. I couldn't get to the desktop. I had left the OS X CD in the drive, and with the slot loading iMacs, you can't force eject the CD. I ended up rebooting to the OS X CD, then reinstalling OS X to get a desktop and eject the CD. Then I rebooted from the OS 9 CD and reinstalled OS 9 while creating 2 drive partitions. This gives me a 'backup' boot drive if I get that serious a loop going again.
The companies will get into either 'Just the notes (on the board), ma'am' or alternatively, 'exact transcripts including coughs and sneezes' note-taking methods. But that tends to lead to missing info (in the first case) or with way too much info (how to weed out off topic wanderings from What Is On The Test?). Either way, the students who buy the notes are either 1) not concerned with very high grades in that course (or they wouldn't trust someone else to interpret the lectures); 2) relatively lazy/uninterested in actually learning the subject (as opposed to learning for grades/just to pass); or 3) freshmen.
In 10 yrs (grad/undergrad & teaching) have found that the people who would buy notes are the ones who don't really pay attention or take many/good notes when they are in the classroom. So I don't think this is going to cause any 'new' issues in education, except perhaps to lead a few more freshmen (freshpersons?) astray.... But if they have more than a spoonful of grey matter, those wandering freshmen should have the prob. figured out by early second quarter/semester....
As a user of FreeBSD as well as Linux, why it doesn't it get ported to smaller devices? This may be bit too ignorant for an Ask Slashdot Q, so I am asking here. Anyone have particulars on the issues for (any) BSD to port to smaller devices (i.e.- not just "becuz *BSD sux")?
Or Rachel Hunter or a couple of women on the Australian Soccer team or.... And please, like the US doesn't have it's fair share (or more, if you count ugliness due to post-implant probs.) of ugly women (and men)...
I haven't had any problems, but you cannot (and I believe this holds whether or not you install OS X on the same partition or a separate one) launch the Classic 'app' in order to access your OS 9 programs. When you try to, Classic will say you do not have OS 9 installed. And on my machine, when booted to OS X, and I go to the 8.6 partition and try to launch an app it says (paraphrased) "This is not OS 9, you must install OS 9 to run Classic and Classic applications". That's fine with me at the moment. Besides, I feel better about having separate partitions for OS X and OS 8.6, in case of crashes....
Yes, crashes. I will be a bastard and do a second posting, but I crashed the system (yes the SYSTEM, not an app) within 3 hours of installing. However I can't recreate it, so it must have been some confluence of events/beta bug. I can crash Apple System Profiler at will - within 5 seconds of opening it. See my other posting for more info....
PFM (Posted From a Mac)