In the business world it is dying. 10% year after year of sales declines is the very definition of dying and something investors flee running from.
We still sell candles too and horses you know. Doesn't mean you want to invest in a candle startup either. It also does not give business customers the confidence of buying either. Sure they need their win32 craplets but in a few years of more declines they will wonder if it is wiser investment to go to a cloud and host them with Citrix via tablets instead as this is what everyone else is doing etc. A self fulfilling prophesy is created.
Workstation market is considered about dead too yet Apple created the $9,995 mac pro. However that market is only 15% of what it was 15 years ago when any finance guru, engineer, programmer, or artist just had to have that $20,000 irix or Sun system. Today these are niche as the pc is good enough now with higher end consumer components.
Then we can run Metro apps with classical win32 apps side by side.
Why is this so hard?
It doesn't make sense for OEMs to do this unless... unless of course the Windows 8 ecosystem is so overly optimized for touch that it is painful for anything else.
MacOSX has the right idea of allowing some IOS apps inside MacOSX.
All this shows is how out of touch MS is and how desperate OEMs are afraid of the tablet. Windows 9 needs to come out quick.
1366x768 just doesn't cut it, no matter how many OSes you stick on it.
You know it is sad when a freaking phone has 2x - 3x the fucking DPI as your expensive computer.
Then these manufacturers act all shocked that the PC market is dying. Whoa how could that be?!
It is turning into the mainframe fast. Used for legacy as the cooler innovations are all going to the smaller and lower end devices. Mainframe admins were always thumbing their noses at the pc crowd until we had color screens and cdroms. Then their platform looked quite dated and the rest was history.
42 degrees from the equator is about where New York City and Chicago are which get snow and significant winters. If it is Mediterranean that far then that is very warm for that latitude.
60 degrees south is about equivalent to Alaska distance from the equator. It is 20C or 68F on average inland during the summer at this time. Not 7F. The ice which plenty is left at that latitude is still there but is rapidly melting which it does from glacial run off. They do not grow by June which is the same as December down at that latitude.
In fact with 20 hours of daylight rapid melt would be the logical conclusion as the water would be warming up and not cooling to form thicker ice at the warmest time of the year.
I am aware Antarctica is one of the coldest places on earth, yet when I lived 60 degrees away from the equator in Alaska it never got down to 7F (the degree in which salt water freezes) by summer. It would not even hit freezing until September or October?!This is not 90 degrees on the dead center of the geographic south pole or anything and is surrounded by water which moderates the climate.
Yes, but then again, there are people who/want/ to become developers, yet are hopelessly stuck in the proprietary shiny-UI apple-windows world, and often don't realize they/need/ to get out of there in order to become decent programmers.
Even in Visual Basic you need to learn repetition structures, choice structures like else/if, and calling another library and using all its methods cough procedures from that class namespace etc.
You can't program with a mouse.
So I disagree. Unix is from a different time frame which is useful if everything is a text file and you need to manipulate text files and pipe arguments all back and forth with thousands of commands that glue it together. How sweet.
These days we use SQL and Google to gain information. Windows 7 includes instant search and MacOSX has something similar. Everything is object based today and unless you have a system that relies on text files and pipes it is baraquise on non Unix systems.
W3C HTML 5 and CSS 3 is what the new rage is today with SQL. I look at Unix as solving something from a different era. Today it is server based because of its apps and is not needed at all for even developers unless they do automation or something.
Windows 8 has far more user marketshare than Linux and probably more than MacOSX sadly.
The reason there are not many Windows 8 apps is because corps still use IE 8 for their intranets and Vistual Studio 2013 requires IE 10 which is unacceptable at work.
Software still sold last year requires IE 6 because when the software was written in 2008 their IT department had one CRM app requiring IE 6 and IT refused to upgrad etc. Silly as this sound but XP and IE is killing MS from getting people to leave.
If this were not an issue there would be more Windows 8 apps.
They replace them instead because depreciation wise it is not worth it to put another $7,000 card in a machine now worth just $2,500 3 years later right?
PCs are different as the workers who use them are treated like crap and cost centers. These are for producers who add value to the bottom line etc.
The people who buy these... cough the corps who buy these never upgrade them.
They just replace them when a fan dies etc. They do not give a shit about upgrading. They view it as rapid depreciation and feel their job generates more revenue than the cost of a slower machine even with an upgraded part.
... however from what I have seen (as a cost center) is the exact opposite in corps today. You are a cost and technology never adds value. Only substracts. That Pentium IV with XP that gets infected and hurts productivity works just fine even if you lose an hour every other day booting the slow clunker.
But maybe good employers exist or I needed to major in something else?!
It is stated that the $10,000 mac pro has Windows equivalent ATI cards (dual) costs over $7,000!
Also the Mac Pro has an SSD PCI Express card that is insanely big (1 TB) that can delivery gigs per second! That is pricy on the Windows equivalent cards too.
Bare in mind Windows 7 is showing its age. I know its cool here to be conservative and love XP/7 since Vista came out on slashdot, but TRIM is not supported for SSD PCI cards or in raid:-(
I do not think Linux is either. Of course those who are smart like to say it doesn't matter as they run Cron jobs and other hacks to get around this which is nice on a server but a little unpractical for 99% of users.
The real question at the end of the say is not that what it would cost a PC equivalent, but why would you need it?
Yes, some geek here will say (insert fringe case scenario for their mathmatica or engineering assigning or crappy SQL database) but that is becoming more and more fringe. 10 years ago when computers took 30 damn seconds to launch OpenOffice, 8 tabs in Firefox took all your damn ram, autocad would not run very well at all on your gaming card (which was just a 2d card with 3d features and not a real GPU) then workstations were more popular. 20 years ago pcs were expensive and just for light typing and simple spreadsheets where every accountant at wall street just had to have a damn $20,000 sun workstation at his desk, or photo artists needed $4,000 macs for photoshop effects etc.
If I was given a free $9,995 Mac Pro I would think it is cool for a little and maybe get a few more fps in SWTOR but nothing else.... ok Vmware would be fucking sweet! but with a single ssd on my 3 1/2 your old PC with upgraded 16 gigs of ram they run just fine. Why bother to upgrade?
I do not think these are going to sell well at this price point just like PC workstations do not sell well. They sell in niche markets and that is it.
Until a stable ABI is available I will keep using Windows. I wont use Linux. It is FreeBSD, Windows Server, or Solaris (ugh maybe not in this day and age!)
I came to slashdot as a BSDI and FreeBSD geek in 1999. I learned Linux afterwards. I know unusual as the other way around but I never liked Linux as much other than a quick way to try a desktop gui out. Linux lacks sorely in this area.
In Unix I can run 15 year old apps no problem in FreeBSD and Solaris. Why ABI? In Windows I can run updates and they wont break anything unless some app cough JAVA cough uses a security exploit for functionality. Why? Windows has an ABI. I can recompile and run 20 year old SunOS apps no problem with OpenSolaris. Try that with Linux?
Linux is the worst OS for desktops for this reason. I once worked a 2nd job in a PC shop and they wont touch Linux. Hairyfeet mentioned he tried linux and people kept calling back angry that their printer stopped working after an Ubuntu update.
I did not even know it existed? I will keep Linux on a VM I suppose but only CentOS as Redhat likes to make somewhat ABIs that do not break after each freaking update!
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But it's web scale.
The event/callback/state machine model is a pain to program in, but at least you don't have race conditions on shared data. Also, now that most Javascript programmers are aware that the language supports closures, callbacks aren't so hard to code properly.
The classic problem with threads is that the usual locking primitives (which are almost always variants on the POSIX primitives) are treated as an OS object, rather than part of the language. For most languages, the language has no idea of which locks lock what data. Ada gets this right, but the Ada rendezvous is clunky. Even Go gets this wrong. (See the endless discussions of "is this a race condition?" in the Go newsgroup.) So race conditions are common in threaded software, and a cause of random failures.
Practical problems with threads include crappy implementations of lock primitives that make a system call even in the non-blocking case, the cost of fencing on superscalar CPUs, and poor scheduler coordination between context switching and message passing.
Most of those issues are way too theoretical for the average web programmer. It's better that they not have to think about them. There's a lot of web code to be written and we don't want to waste the good people on it.
But in essence you are re-inventing the operating system hence the joke. Like Java and C# wouldn't it be better to have an api or framework do this for you rather than you trying to outdo the OS in this regard? Java is overly engineered and frustrating but everything scales up easily for non SMP experts in the swing library.
I have not programmed in Ruby yet but I was under the impression that has apis that can do this so the programmer does not have to write his or her own event timer events and other non sense.
We had to swallow a dagger and use JavaScript on the client as it is the only game in town. Please someone, enlighten me, why would I use this horrific language on the server side? What exactly am I missing? What is so great about Node.js that warrants having to deal with JS.
Because web developers think they invented threading. They like node.js because they can do block/non block I/O and asynchronize programing and can write something hip called events to manage them with a new technology called a scheduler.
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The best part is once you start coding it you will find yourself with a neat trimmed beard in designer plaid in a hip coffee shop listening to music not even out yet with 2 georgous ladies by your side giggling and being turned on by your most awesome code that is on your laptop screen.
Windows has matured to the point where progress is not impeded by staying behind. Mainframes and minis hit the sweet spot too. They work just as good as last version.
MS is screwed. The cloud and renting ancient apps is the way out.
I agree that upgrading to Windows 7 makes sense for some home users, but not businesses.
The upgrade treadmill for TCO was important because 15 years ago being left behind meant 16 bit apps and huge limitations on a terrible OS combo compared to Windows NT. Upgrading to Windows XP and Server 2003 later meant managed paradise that could save a fortune in admin cost and finally a modern real OS not designed as a quick and dirty OS for hobbiest underneath it!
Upgrading to Windows 7.... well let me think about this one?? What about the software that already works? Well it is so ingrained as a business process that it can never be upgraded. To do so would shut the company down and cost millions! - Eg. Cost of moving product from the wharehouse and gas mileage calculated by a weekly bases rather than trip. Since ShitwareERP can do the accounting automatically the CIO laid off all the book keepers and let this IE 6 app do their job and viola $$$ saved.
ShitwareCRM uses BI macros in VS 2003.net that only work in Excel 2003 to automate the reports.... it only works in Access 2000 which is not compatible with the later versions of SQl Server etc.
No one ever knows how this is calculated. Also it generates reports and bills to clients. So new software that does this differently you say?... uh oh now the BI is fucked up, no accountants left to fix it, no one had a fucking clue, no bills, contract violation with trucking company and tons and tons of pissed off people and cancelled contracts!
Keep what works and the hassle goes away.
In the past automated things were seperated and not so depedent with each other. Upgrading keeps going up and benefits go down. Sure there is virtualization but that is a big pain in the ass. Users will call helpdesk when they do not see their shitwareCRM and do not know what Citrix Receiver is. Worse they will whine they can't email, then whine about not finding print, performance suffers, and the managers get yelled at and threatened with termination due to the upgrade as their metrics were not meant etc.
It is a high risk thing to do and never needed. I can upgrade trucks too. Restaurants can shutdown and throw out perfectly good working stoves and walk ins for slightly more effecient ones, but why??
This software wont die. Windows 2003 in a VM will live fucking forever with these IE 6 apps and it will never be the hassle to upgrade again.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be running a unix network. I don't share your pain, I don't share your costs, oh, and BTW I get vastly superior software for free, including source code.
Well let me know when there is a unix admin position at your company?
It is really the users who do not like change and more importantly the managers who fear change who get write ups when the employees productivity goes down for being stupid like my above example.
Unix admins and most users are not idiots and can figure things out and know how to type the name of a terminal in ssh for an ancient system. Unix systems can run older software much easier as well.
Too bad shitware CRM requires IE 6 and a ton of administrator level COM+ hacks to work and is so ingrained in the business process side that the company would cease to function without it etc.
I agree on principle, but at the end of the day money talks shit walks.
If it costs money my bosses do not want to hear about it.
XP has a higher maintance cost and is a security nightmare but getting vms is expensive. Last I checked XP mode is not available to push via active directory. This means a Citrix solution with Windows Server 2003. More $$$$ and now a burden as they need to hire an additional admin, hire a consultant, test the shit out, and have help desk have a call every 2 minutes asking where that icon for shitwareCRM gone?... but this says Citrix Recieve.
Ok I shut off my newer Windows 7 machiney thingie but now Citrix says something about not logging off and shitwareCRM says I am still logged in and wont display anything on my Google bluey E for internet 6 browser etc.
You can tell I support corporate users can't you? It can be done and is more secure but it is a damn pain in the ass to upgrade and yes those reasons above are a big excuse to upgrade something that already works.
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Java is not IEEE compliant for floating point calculations anyway. All high performance computing that needs reliability and IEEE compliance uses either C, or specialized asm libraries.
Using Java for numerical analysis is like using a monkey to design a space shuttle.
Funny I thought Java runs on the top mainframes at the Stock Market and major institutions world wide.
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In the business world it is dying. 10% year after year of sales declines is the very definition of dying and something investors flee running from.
We still sell candles too and horses you know. Doesn't mean you want to invest in a candle startup either. It also does not give business customers the confidence of buying either. Sure they need their win32 craplets but in a few years of more declines they will wonder if it is wiser investment to go to a cloud and host them with Citrix via tablets instead as this is what everyone else is doing etc. A self fulfilling prophesy is created.
Workstation market is considered about dead too yet Apple created the $9,995 mac pro. However that market is only 15% of what it was 15 years ago when any finance guru, engineer, programmer, or artist just had to have that $20,000 irix or Sun system. Today these are niche as the pc is good enough now with higher end consumer components.
Then we can run Metro apps with classical win32 apps side by side.
Why is this so hard?
It doesn't make sense for OEMs to do this unless ... unless of course the Windows 8 ecosystem is so overly optimized for touch that it is painful for anything else.
MacOSX has the right idea of allowing some IOS apps inside MacOSX.
All this shows is how out of touch MS is and how desperate OEMs are afraid of the tablet. Windows 9 needs to come out quick.
But the apps are all ARM based.
Go download the free Android SDK and try emulating an ancient 2.3x gingerbread ROM? Wow it was beyond painful.
Odd as it is written with java the apps are only ARM with it.
1366x768 just doesn't cut it, no matter how many OSes you stick on it.
You know it is sad when a freaking phone has 2x - 3x the fucking DPI as your expensive computer.
Then these manufacturers act all shocked that the PC market is dying. Whoa how could that be?!
It is turning into the mainframe fast. Used for legacy as the cooler innovations are all going to the smaller and lower end devices. Mainframe admins were always thumbing their noses at the pc crowd until we had color screens and cdroms. Then their platform looked quite dated and the rest was history.
He is implying latitude.
42 degrees from the equator is about where New York City and Chicago are which get snow and significant winters. If it is Mediterranean that far then that is very warm for that latitude.
But it is growing.
60 degrees south is about equivalent to Alaska distance from the equator. It is 20C or 68F on average inland during the summer at this time. Not 7F. The ice which plenty is left at that latitude is still there but is rapidly melting which it does from glacial run off. They do not grow by June which is the same as December down at that latitude.
In fact with 20 hours of daylight rapid melt would be the logical conclusion as the water would be warming up and not cooling to form thicker ice at the warmest time of the year.
Those are features
I am aware Antarctica is one of the coldest places on earth, yet when I lived 60 degrees away from the equator in Alaska it never got down to 7F (the degree in which salt water freezes) by summer. It would not even hit freezing until September or October?!This is not 90 degrees on the dead center of the geographic south pole or anything and is surrounded by water which moderates the climate.
The ice should be rapidly melting?!
Then I would end up with a copy of Fedora??
Yes, but then again, there are people who /want/ to become developers, yet are hopelessly stuck in the proprietary shiny-UI apple-windows world, and often don't realize they /need/ to get out of there in order to become decent programmers.
Even in Visual Basic you need to learn repetition structures, choice structures like else/if, and calling another library and using all its methods cough procedures from that class namespace etc.
You can't program with a mouse.
So I disagree. Unix is from a different time frame which is useful if everything is a text file and you need to manipulate text files and pipe arguments all back and forth with thousands of commands that glue it together. How sweet.
These days we use SQL and Google to gain information. Windows 7 includes instant search and MacOSX has something similar. Everything is object based today and unless you have a system that relies on text files and pipes it is baraquise on non Unix systems.
W3C HTML 5 and CSS 3 is what the new rage is today with SQL. I look at Unix as solving something from a different era. Today it is server based because of its apps and is not needed at all for even developers unless they do automation or something.
Windows 8 has far more user marketshare than Linux and probably more than MacOSX sadly.
The reason there are not many Windows 8 apps is because corps still use IE 8 for their intranets and Vistual Studio 2013 requires IE 10 which is unacceptable at work.
Software still sold last year requires IE 6 because when the software was written in 2008 their IT department had one CRM app requiring IE 6 and IT refused to upgrad etc. Silly as this sound but XP and IE is killing MS from getting people to leave.
If this were not an issue there would be more Windows 8 apps.
Corps never do these to workstations.
They replace them instead because depreciation wise it is not worth it to put another $7,000 card in a machine now worth just $2,500 3 years later right?
PCs are different as the workers who use them are treated like crap and cost centers. These are for producers who add value to the bottom line etc.
The people who buy these ... cough the corps who buy these never upgrade them.
They just replace them when a fan dies etc. They do not give a shit about upgrading. They view it as rapid depreciation and feel their job generates more revenue than the cost of a slower machine even with an upgraded part.
But maybe good employers exist or I needed to major in something else?!
It is stated that the $10,000 mac pro has Windows equivalent ATI cards (dual) costs over $7,000!
Also the Mac Pro has an SSD PCI Express card that is insanely big (1 TB) that can delivery gigs per second! That is pricy on the Windows equivalent cards too.
Bare in mind Windows 7 is showing its age. I know its cool here to be conservative and love XP/7 since Vista came out on slashdot, but TRIM is not supported for SSD PCI cards or in raid :-(
I do not think Linux is either. Of course those who are smart like to say it doesn't matter as they run Cron jobs and other hacks to get around this which is nice on a server but a little unpractical for 99% of users.
The real question at the end of the say is not that what it would cost a PC equivalent, but why would you need it?
Yes, some geek here will say (insert fringe case scenario for their mathmatica or engineering assigning or crappy SQL database) but that is becoming more and more fringe. 10 years ago when computers took 30 damn seconds to launch OpenOffice, 8 tabs in Firefox took all your damn ram, autocad would not run very well at all on your gaming card (which was just a 2d card with 3d features and not a real GPU) then workstations were more popular. 20 years ago pcs were expensive and just for light typing and simple spreadsheets where every accountant at wall street just had to have a damn $20,000 sun workstation at his desk, or photo artists needed $4,000 macs for photoshop effects etc.
If I was given a free $9,995 Mac Pro I would think it is cool for a little and maybe get a few more fps in SWTOR but nothing else. ... ok Vmware would be fucking sweet! but with a single ssd on my 3 1/2 your old PC with upgraded 16 gigs of ram they run just fine. Why bother to upgrade?
I do not think these are going to sell well at this price point just like PC workstations do not sell well. They sell in niche markets and that is it.
So in other words they are stocks which pay no dividends. Seems no one cares as someone will always pay for it
Everyone knows only node.js is webscale.
Until a stable ABI is available I will keep using Windows. I wont use Linux. It is FreeBSD, Windows Server, or Solaris (ugh maybe not in this day and age!)
I came to slashdot as a BSDI and FreeBSD geek in 1999. I learned Linux afterwards. I know unusual as the other way around but I never liked Linux as much other than a quick way to try a desktop gui out. Linux lacks sorely in this area.
In Unix I can run 15 year old apps no problem in FreeBSD and Solaris. Why ABI? In Windows I can run updates and they wont break anything unless some app cough JAVA cough uses a security exploit for functionality. Why? Windows has an ABI. I can recompile and run 20 year old SunOS apps no problem with OpenSolaris. Try that with Linux?
Linux is the worst OS for desktops for this reason. I once worked a 2nd job in a PC shop and they wont touch Linux. Hairyfeet mentioned he tried linux and people kept calling back angry that their printer stopped working after an Ubuntu update.
I did not even know it existed? I will keep Linux on a VM I suppose but only CentOS as Redhat likes to make somewhat ABIs that do not break after each freaking update!
But it's web scale.
The event/callback/state machine model is a pain to program in, but at least you don't have race conditions on shared data. Also, now that most Javascript programmers are aware that the language supports closures, callbacks aren't so hard to code properly.
The classic problem with threads is that the usual locking primitives (which are almost always variants on the POSIX primitives) are treated as an OS object, rather than part of the language. For most languages, the language has no idea of which locks lock what data. Ada gets this right, but the Ada rendezvous is clunky. Even Go gets this wrong. (See the endless discussions of "is this a race condition?" in the Go newsgroup.) So race conditions are common in threaded software, and a cause of random failures.
Practical problems with threads include crappy implementations of lock primitives that make a system call even in the non-blocking case, the cost of fencing on superscalar CPUs, and poor scheduler coordination between context switching and message passing.
Most of those issues are way too theoretical for the average web programmer. It's better that they not have to think about them. There's a lot of web code to be written and we don't want to waste the good people on it.
But in essence you are re-inventing the operating system hence the joke. Like Java and C# wouldn't it be better to have an api or framework do this for you rather than you trying to outdo the OS in this regard? Java is overly engineered and frustrating but everything scales up easily for non SMP experts in the swing library.
I have not programmed in Ruby yet but I was under the impression that has apis that can do this so the programmer does not have to write his or her own event timer events and other non sense.
We had to swallow a dagger and use JavaScript on the client as it is the only game in town. Please someone, enlighten me, why would I use this horrific language on the server side? What exactly am I missing? What is so great about Node.js that warrants having to deal with JS.
Because web developers think they invented threading. They like node.js because they can do block/non block I/O and asynchronize programing and can write something hip called events to manage them with a new technology called a scheduler.
Node.js invents threading/processes and is webscale.
The best part is once you start coding it you will find yourself with a neat trimmed beard in designer plaid in a hip coffee shop listening to music not even out yet with 2 georgous ladies by your side giggling and being turned on by your most awesome code that is on your laptop screen.
Windows has matured to the point where progress is not impeded by staying behind. Mainframes and minis hit the sweet spot too. They work just as good as last version.
MS is screwed. The cloud and renting ancient apps is the way out.
I disagree.
I agree that upgrading to Windows 7 makes sense for some home users, but not businesses.
The upgrade treadmill for TCO was important because 15 years ago being left behind meant 16 bit apps and huge limitations on a terrible OS combo compared to Windows NT. Upgrading to Windows XP and Server 2003 later meant managed paradise that could save a fortune in admin cost and finally a modern real OS not designed as a quick and dirty OS for hobbiest underneath it!
Upgrading to Windows 7 .... well let me think about this one?? What about the software that already works? Well it is so ingrained as a business process that it can never be upgraded. To do so would shut the company down and cost millions! - Eg. Cost of moving product from the wharehouse and gas mileage calculated by a weekly bases rather than trip. Since ShitwareERP can do the accounting automatically the CIO laid off all the book keepers and let this IE 6 app do their job and viola $$$ saved.
ShitwareCRM uses BI macros in VS 2003.net that only work in Excel 2003 to automate the reports. ... it only works in Access 2000 which is not compatible with the later versions of SQl Server etc.
No one ever knows how this is calculated. Also it generates reports and bills to clients. So new software that does this differently you say? ... uh oh now the BI is fucked up, no accountants left to fix it, no one had a fucking clue, no bills, contract violation with trucking company and tons and tons of pissed off people and cancelled contracts!
Keep what works and the hassle goes away.
In the past automated things were seperated and not so depedent with each other. Upgrading keeps going up and benefits go down. Sure there is virtualization but that is a big pain in the ass. Users will call helpdesk when they do not see their shitwareCRM and do not know what Citrix Receiver is. Worse they will whine they can't email, then whine about not finding print, performance suffers, and the managers get yelled at and threatened with termination due to the upgrade as their metrics were not meant etc.
It is a high risk thing to do and never needed. I can upgrade trucks too. Restaurants can shutdown and throw out perfectly good working stoves and walk ins for slightly more effecient ones, but why??
This software wont die. Windows 2003 in a VM will live fucking forever with these IE 6 apps and it will never be the hassle to upgrade again.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be running a unix network. I don't share your pain, I don't share your costs, oh, and BTW I get vastly superior software for free, including source code.
Well let me know when there is a unix admin position at your company?
It is really the users who do not like change and more importantly the managers who fear change who get write ups when the employees productivity goes down for being stupid like my above example.
Unix admins and most users are not idiots and can figure things out and know how to type the name of a terminal in ssh for an ancient system. Unix systems can run older software much easier as well.
Too bad shitware CRM requires IE 6 and a ton of administrator level COM+ hacks to work and is so ingrained in the business process side that the company would cease to function without it etc.
I agree on principle, but at the end of the day money talks shit walks.
If it costs money my bosses do not want to hear about it.
XP has a higher maintance cost and is a security nightmare but getting vms is expensive. Last I checked XP mode is not available to push via active directory. This means a Citrix solution with Windows Server 2003. More $$$$ and now a burden as they need to hire an additional admin, hire a consultant, test the shit out, and have help desk have a call every 2 minutes asking where that icon for shitwareCRM gone? ... but this says Citrix Recieve.
Ok I shut off my newer Windows 7 machiney thingie but now Citrix says something about not logging off and shitwareCRM says I am still logged in and wont display anything on my Google bluey E for internet 6 browser etc.
You can tell I support corporate users can't you? It can be done and is more secure but it is a damn pain in the ass to upgrade and yes those reasons above are a big excuse to upgrade something that already works.
Java is not IEEE compliant for floating point calculations anyway. All high performance computing that needs reliability and IEEE compliance uses either C, or specialized asm libraries.
Using Java for numerical analysis is like using a monkey to design a space shuttle.
Funny I thought Java runs on the top mainframes at the Stock Market and major institutions world wide.