Really I can just sense the hate. That and the ridiculous assertion made that MS purposely let it in as an inside job.... of course if I had to write websites optimized for quirks mode all day for ancient versions I could see the angry reaction to any IE news:-)
I used to do just that during my IE hate phase as I did not want to taint the poor CPU with those evil instructions into a tool of satan! I would cmd up ftp to getfirefox and even went as far as replace the blue E off every family computer and putting the firefox icon with it instead.
IT doesn't matter the package. What matters is students know how to use the silly margins, how not to get infected, use pivot tables for any statistics class in which all majors except art require by senior year, and insert footnotes. It is basically the same throughout.
I recommend Office because many colleges have group assignments these days and you need to communicate, but kids out of highschool lack even the most basic things. All they know is spell-check and save and print. Not margin settings or they forget as it is not important in 10th grade and now when they have a paper due these things become important. As a former substitute teacher I was shocked what students didn't know.
They should teach cloud data backup too since this is new and maybe a photoshop option for art majors as that is a difficult program to learn (I believe they almost all do now).
If you are over 25 you can get exempt as you have real world experience to back you up. These courses as well as survival 101 on how to plan homework aka orientation are for the 18 year olds just moving out of mommy and daddy's place who are not mature yet and have no clue.
Access is well used in business. In-fact I was turned down from a job just because it did not have Access on my resume even though I was proficient in database and IT support work. It is a great skill to have on a resume if you are a new grad.
I couldn't disagree with you more. This is not a computer science vs programming school debate like we always have here on slashdot. This is about employment as well as surviving 4 years of college. I wish highschools taught kids how to use margins, insert footnotes, or do formulas and pivot tables, but they do not. So college needs to pick up. This is something all students need to know if they want to take any courses.
Kids out of highschool today may know how to type well and use a good browser unlike their parents, but many do not even know about margins or how to use autocalc in excel or even sometimes not even know how to add a formula in a spreadsheet! They will be clobbered in the real world or when they take statistics as an upper clansman later on. Knowing Word, Excel, MacOSX/Windows are part of your skillet you need regardless of major. I just read today that 53% of all applicants to a 4 year institution had SAT scores there not even highschool level!
I substitute taught in high-school and you would be surprised at things we assume everyone could do. The good news is younger elementary school children know how to set a margin up and how to use an = for a cell. So teachers are starting to catch on but still.
Office and general use computing is REQUIRED for any job. You can debate all you want but HR looks down on colleges where the applicant pool has not been the best and students are there to get jobs. It might sound insulting to you, but even if you are an art major the ability to type papers, use photoshop, safe browsing habits, and use excel (if you take any statistics, accounting, or finance classes) is a must. Infact every major from psychology, to business, to even teaching requires statistics and excel. Want to know how I learned to make great powerpoint presentations where you have 1 bullet with 3 sub bullets (no more more less), a basic slide rule as a template? It was from my biology professor. We had to make a presentation on our papers and he was nice enough to show us how to do it well as he stated "You all will be going through various career. However, each one will require you to make a presentation in any of them".
I did not have to take such a course as I showed them my resume doing IT work and they laughed and said ok. They make exceptions. But young 18 year olds take this as well as college survival 101 as many have the assumption since attendance is not taken that they can party all day and play games etc. Usually older professionals can get out of those.
The original question was could they handle the load in a reasonable response time instead of a cloud? I can see for banks running things around the clock or the FAA traffic, but could it be a cheaper more efficient use than a rack of 400 servers in a huge warehouse?
No Samsung still pays the legal fees and just stay the status qou. In Business you never play to win in order to screw the next guy. It is prisoners delima and you only loose. CEOs get fired over this.
What is truly needed is patent reform before Apple buys off every country to prevent it. I mean if I had the design for the coolest cell phone ever I surely would not bring it to the market. No investor would dare fund me too as Apple will kill me. This is BS and things like grid icons should not be patented just because it is a phone and not desktop. I mean I can then double patent everything that already exists and call it "... on an android". I mean come on!
Until Intellectual Ventures starts selling a real product, such as a Mosquito Laser, they should be banned from patent court.
That is the problem. Most companies patent the hell out of everything in case someone like Apple tries to pick em up by the ankles and count the money falling out and they can sue back reducing the fees.
But Intellectual Ventures do not make anything so there is nothing you can do. I mean how is this different than the Gambino crime family barging into your office about a once in a life term insurance program.
Got to goatse.ru with your browser fullscreen and then turn on your screensaver and walk away the next time the babysitter comes over.... problem will solve itself as soon as she moves the mouse.
Don't run Firefox. I may get modded down for this but it has no sand boxing which is a security risk which is why I tend not to use it as much.
Both IE 9 and Chrome offer sanboxing. Infact, Chrome updates flash as well so you never have to worry about it which is a plus in my book. FYI IE 8 and IE 9 are very secure. They are not integrated into Windows like IE 6 was and activeX controls are disabled for internet access by default as well as running unsigned applets which is why corporations can't leave IE 6. It is a common misconception that people still think IE 10 == IE 6, but IE 10 is very competitive on Windows 8 and a recommendation for office workers to update too when they finally port it to Windows 7 as they can finally use a secure up to date browser again.
Still an anti virus product is needed unfortunately if you run Mac or Windows in this day and age. Hackers hit ad networks that infect legit websites. Last spring one was blocked by AVAST on slashdot of all places that tried to use a 0 day exploit in flash! They no longer slow down systems like they did 5 years ago that much. Norton 2012 is much improved by a large margin from what I am told and AVAST barely slows down my system (my favorite). There are too many javascript and other exploits that can get in even if you do use noscript that can get in through trusted websites that are infected. Wordpress being the biggest.
Apple as a company is dispised. Just because people didn't bother to download a better browser didn't mean they loved IE. It only means they use what they know. Same with mcDonalds.
Apple used to be known for high quality products where it was cool to be hip. Now it is a status symbol to show off how much money you have or debt you intake to look rich.
Most people know what a Samsung is and the current marketshare shows that Android has taken 65% of the market of new phones!
Maybe 2 years ago IPhones were all the rage but Apple is fighting tooth and nail to make sure people do not know about anything other than the shiny iPHone. Their maps suck and many apple loyalists are displeased about IOS 5 so far. Droids are gaining popularity fast even if Apple is selling so many phones the difference is all the drones buy at once while Android users buy things spread out. Trust me after the bump things will slow down for Apple.
No Samsung needs to make money and raise its stock price. Doing anything else is unethical and illegal since it is a publicly traded company.
Business is business and is not about fighting Apple. Business case after business case of companies fighting back always loose and sometimes even go out of business. It is slimy what Apple is doing but they are trying to arm twist them to leave the market or loose more money fighting and having the courts take them out.
If it is no longer profitable it needs to leave. Apple will go after them with TVs next if they do not stop and if I were Samsung I would be worried about rounded corners and having Apple own the rights to HDTV due to their sleazy membership of h.264. Oops you didn't know Apple had that power? I would not put it past them and maybe leaving a non liability or suing agreement in this regards to their other products if they leave the mobile market is a wise business move.
Apple is not going apeshit on HTC yet. Just Samsung. I am not saying I agree with Apple here. Just saying the squeezing does work sadly and Apple has too much money and patents to fight. If they hit $1 trillion in 2015 as planned you wont be able to stop them.
If I were the CEO of Samsung I would leave the market to Apple.
I think there might be a very good reason why you are not the CEO of Samsung, or any other company for that matter.
Tell me how losing 1 billion plus more from not being able to sell in Germany and Australia? What about losing another 700 million?
Samsung only made $3 billion in profits last year! 1/3 of your potential profit is going to a competitor! However you netted in $35 billion in revenue. That is a terrible profit margin.
Hmmm... seems to me the rational choice is let go of the loss leaders sucking your revenues away and cut costs. I have no idea how much Android is bringing in but I doubt it will even cover the damages to Apple nor pay off the lawyers? They would need to make billions in profits... not revenues just to be break even.
I bet Apple would agree not to go after them for additional damages too if they signed an agreement for Samsung to leave the cell phone market. Apple owns too many patents and will just keep goign after you over and over again until you croak dead. It is expensive to fight from a business standpoint.
Sorry to all the Apple fanboys out there, but it becomes increasingly hard to feel any sympathies for Apple. Seems that Apple's fame is slowly declining...
Right, because 2 million iPhone 5 pre orders in 24 hours is *clearly* an indication of declining fame.
I got news for you, the general public A) isn't aware of this litigation B) doesn't give a shit.
I'm not going to debate the right or wrong merits of the litigation itself, but if you think this lawsuit has hurt Apple in the court of public opinion, you're not capable of looking at the issue objectively.
So IE 6 must have been the best browser in history! It had 90% of the marketshare in 2003! Windows 3.1 sold more copies than any gui driven platform to date 20 years ago. It must have been sooooo much better than the Mac and OS/2? McDonalds sold billions of cheeseburgers. It must be the best restuarant in the world!
People buy their crap. Doesn't mean they are fame. Andriod does have its issues too with the 2.x versions. I am tempted to replace my SamSung Galaxy 1 with a used IPhone 4s. It can't even sync with a pc and that is pretty primptive in my book. I heard others can, but AT&T probably loaded some shit where I can not even load up a picture I took with it. Anyway, stories like these remind me that perhaps I should look at a Windows 8 phone replacement rather than an Apple. I like the higher quality and detail but these guys are fucking a**holes.
That is socialism! That will not be tollerated in the west!
In all seriousness corporate america and the top 2% will fight you tooth and nail and bribe any politician to get their way wether you like it or not. You just need to accept this and try to become rich yourself. Capitalism without regulation is the new rat race.
That is Apple's strategy. If I were the CEO of Samsung I would leave the market to Apple. Not to sound corwardish, but it just plainly is not profitable to exist in the market where Apple 0wns the patent system. I would save my cash and patent the hell out of TVs to make sure Apple stays out of market instead.
Andriod is now a loss leader thanks to these frivilous lawsuits and it is about ego and emotion already invested in as rationally it is time to leave. Fucking Apple.
Apache doesn't either. With a phone call from Google they quickly released a patch to make sure it wont respect DNT no matter what!... ok I assume Google had a play as I do not see why the patcher bashed DNT for ruining standards and quickly did a patch to block it?!
It came from my computer? How can you say its not my property. Does any document I type in Word the property of Microsoft? Where do you cross the line?
It may not be computationally faster at all compared to a datacenter, but I/O wise where transactions per hour as well as cooling and electrical costs can bring an advantage.
I do not know. I do know the newer mainframes shut off cores and turn them on depending on load. This will save power while I imagine it would be difficult or impossible to do this with a server farm that easily.
While the other poster wanted benchmarks I think this would be impossible to do on a reasonable budget. Mainframes have always been about I/O and load and transactions per hour. A datacenter is one hell of an I/O load network wise and this is something the mainframe would be better at.
IBM mainframes are very expensive and that is for sure. However so is running a server farm where the electrical costs in a year easily outnumber the fixed costs of the hardware. I imagine less heat too for 2 or 3 mainframes vs 700 blades. But there is the issue of the mainframe being the central point of failure. Since this slashdot perhaps a mainframe guru could care to comment on this in terms of the new one that just came out next month?
Mainframes still get a bad rap from those that remembered the early 90s and 80s. But the new IBM series can run 10,000 vms of redhat and unlike VMWare the vms can share ram with each other. The powerpc processors have something insane like 32 mbs of l3 cache per core. Also you can set the mainframe to open or close the number of VMs per load dynamically all by itself.
Mainframes have alwaus been 15 yeats ahead of lintel servers. VMWare is doing things today mainframrs did in the 1990s.
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Good thing we use Java 1.4.2 at work. Looks like I am safe
Really I can just sense the hate. That and the ridiculous assertion made that MS purposely let it in as an inside job. ... of course if I had to write websites optimized for quirks mode all day for ancient versions I could see the angry reaction to any IE news :-)
IE 6 and 7 could be dead fast enough.
I used to do just that during my IE hate phase as I did not want to taint the poor CPU with those evil instructions into a tool of satan! I would cmd up ftp to getfirefox and even went as far as replace the blue E off every family computer and putting the firefox icon with it instead.
Maybe I am just OC?
IT doesn't matter the package. What matters is students know how to use the silly margins, how not to get infected, use pivot tables for any statistics class in which all majors except art require by senior year, and insert footnotes. It is basically the same throughout.
I recommend Office because many colleges have group assignments these days and you need to communicate, but kids out of highschool lack even the most basic things. All they know is spell-check and save and print. Not margin settings or they forget as it is not important in 10th grade and now when they have a paper due these things become important. As a former substitute teacher I was shocked what students didn't know.
They should teach cloud data backup too since this is new and maybe a photoshop option for art majors as that is a difficult program to learn (I believe they almost all do now).
If you are over 25 you can get exempt as you have real world experience to back you up. These courses as well as survival 101 on how to plan homework aka orientation are for the 18 year olds just moving out of mommy and daddy's place who are not mature yet and have no clue.
Access is well used in business. In-fact I was turned down from a job just because it did not have Access on my resume even though I was proficient in database and IT support work. It is a great skill to have on a resume if you are a new grad.
I couldn't disagree with you more. This is not a computer science vs programming school debate like we always have here on slashdot. This is about employment as well as surviving 4 years of college. I wish highschools taught kids how to use margins, insert footnotes, or do formulas and pivot tables, but they do not. So college needs to pick up. This is something all students need to know if they want to take any courses.
Kids out of highschool today may know how to type well and use a good browser unlike their parents, but many do not even know about margins or how to use autocalc in excel or even sometimes not even know how to add a formula in a spreadsheet! They will be clobbered in the real world or when they take statistics as an upper clansman later on. Knowing Word, Excel, MacOSX/Windows are part of your skillet you need regardless of major. I just read today that 53% of all applicants to a 4 year institution had SAT scores there not even highschool level!
I substitute taught in high-school and you would be surprised at things we assume everyone could do. The good news is younger elementary school children know how to set a margin up and how to use an = for a cell. So teachers are starting to catch on but still.
Office and general use computing is REQUIRED for any job. You can debate all you want but HR looks down on colleges where the applicant pool has not been the best and students are there to get jobs. It might sound insulting to you, but even if you are an art major the ability to type papers, use photoshop, safe browsing habits, and use excel (if you take any statistics, accounting, or finance classes) is a must. Infact every major from psychology, to business, to even teaching requires statistics and excel. Want to know how I learned to make great powerpoint presentations where you have 1 bullet with 3 sub bullets (no more more less), a basic slide rule as a template? It was from my biology professor. We had to make a presentation on our papers and he was nice enough to show us how to do it well as he stated "You all will be going through various career. However, each one will require you to make a presentation in any of them".
I did not have to take such a course as I showed them my resume doing IT work and they laughed and said ok. They make exceptions. But young 18 year olds take this as well as college survival 101 as many have the assumption since attendance is not taken that they can party all day and play games etc. Usually older professionals can get out of those.
The original question was could they handle the load in a reasonable response time instead of a cloud? I can see for banks running things around the clock or the FAA traffic, but could it be a cheaper more efficient use than a rack of 400 servers in a huge warehouse?
No Samsung still pays the legal fees and just stay the status qou. In Business you never play to win in order to screw the next guy. It is prisoners delima and you only loose. CEOs get fired over this.
What is truly needed is patent reform before Apple buys off every country to prevent it. I mean if I had the design for the coolest cell phone ever I surely would not bring it to the market. No investor would dare fund me too as Apple will kill me. This is BS and things like grid icons should not be patented just because it is a phone and not desktop. I mean I can then double patent everything that already exists and call it "... on an android". I mean come on!
Until Intellectual Ventures starts selling a real product, such as a Mosquito Laser, they should be banned from patent court.
That is the problem. Most companies patent the hell out of everything in case someone like Apple tries to pick em up by the ankles and count the money falling out and they can sue back reducing the fees.
But Intellectual Ventures do not make anything so there is nothing you can do. I mean how is this different than the Gambino crime family barging into your office about a once in a life term insurance program.
It is about to go sky high to pay for these assholes
Got to goatse.ru with your browser fullscreen and then turn on your screensaver and walk away the next time the babysitter comes over. ... problem will solve itself as soon as she moves the mouse.
Don't run Firefox. I may get modded down for this but it has no sand boxing which is a security risk which is why I tend not to use it as much.
Both IE 9 and Chrome offer sanboxing. Infact, Chrome updates flash as well so you never have to worry about it which is a plus in my book. FYI IE 8 and IE 9 are very secure. They are not integrated into Windows like IE 6 was and activeX controls are disabled for internet access by default as well as running unsigned applets which is why corporations can't leave IE 6. It is a common misconception that people still think IE 10 == IE 6, but IE 10 is very competitive on Windows 8 and a recommendation for office workers to update too when they finally port it to Windows 7 as they can finally use a secure up to date browser again.
Still an anti virus product is needed unfortunately if you run Mac or Windows in this day and age. Hackers hit ad networks that infect legit websites. Last spring one was blocked by AVAST on slashdot of all places that tried to use a 0 day exploit in flash! They no longer slow down systems like they did 5 years ago that much. Norton 2012 is much improved by a large margin from what I am told and AVAST barely slows down my system (my favorite). There are too many javascript and other exploits that can get in even if you do use noscript that can get in through trusted websites that are infected. Wordpress being the biggest.
Apple as a company is dispised. Just because people didn't bother to download a better browser didn't mean they loved IE. It only means they use what they know. Same with mcDonalds.
Apple used to be known for high quality products where it was cool to be hip. Now it is a status symbol to show off how much money you have or debt you intake to look rich.
Most people know what a Samsung is and the current marketshare shows that Android has taken 65% of the market of new phones!
Maybe 2 years ago IPhones were all the rage but Apple is fighting tooth and nail to make sure people do not know about anything other than the shiny iPHone. Their maps suck and many apple loyalists are displeased about IOS 5 so far. Droids are gaining popularity fast even if Apple is selling so many phones the difference is all the drones buy at once while Android users buy things spread out. Trust me after the bump things will slow down for Apple.
No Samsung needs to make money and raise its stock price. Doing anything else is unethical and illegal since it is a publicly traded company.
Business is business and is not about fighting Apple. Business case after business case of companies fighting back always loose and sometimes even go out of business. It is slimy what Apple is doing but they are trying to arm twist them to leave the market or loose more money fighting and having the courts take them out.
If it is no longer profitable it needs to leave. Apple will go after them with TVs next if they do not stop and if I were Samsung I would be worried about rounded corners and having Apple own the rights to HDTV due to their sleazy membership of h.264. Oops you didn't know Apple had that power? I would not put it past them and maybe leaving a non liability or suing agreement in this regards to their other products if they leave the mobile market is a wise business move.
Apple is not going apeshit on HTC yet. Just Samsung. I am not saying I agree with Apple here. Just saying the squeezing does work sadly and Apple has too much money and patents to fight. If they hit $1 trillion in 2015 as planned you wont be able to stop them.
I think there might be a very good reason why you are not the CEO of Samsung, or any other company for that matter.
Tell me how losing 1 billion plus more from not being able to sell in Germany and Australia? What about losing another 700 million?
Samsung only made $3 billion in profits last year! 1/3 of your potential profit is going to a competitor! However you netted in $35 billion in revenue. That is a terrible profit margin.
Hmmm ... seems to me the rational choice is let go of the loss leaders sucking your revenues away and cut costs. I have no idea how much Android is bringing in but I doubt it will even cover the damages to Apple nor pay off the lawyers? They would need to make billions in profits ... not revenues just to be break even.
I bet Apple would agree not to go after them for additional damages too if they signed an agreement for Samsung to leave the cell phone market. Apple owns too many patents and will just keep goign after you over and over again until you croak dead. It is expensive to fight from a business standpoint.
That wasn't a phone
Dell is equally bad.
It seems Asus and Samgsung sell the best products but sadly they are not corporate friendly.
Sorry to all the Apple fanboys out there, but it becomes increasingly hard to feel any sympathies for Apple. Seems that Apple's fame is slowly declining...
Right, because 2 million iPhone 5 pre orders in 24 hours is *clearly* an indication of declining fame.
I got news for you, the general public A) isn't aware of this litigation B) doesn't give a shit.
I'm not going to debate the right or wrong merits of the litigation itself, but if you think this lawsuit has hurt Apple in the court of public opinion, you're not capable of looking at the issue objectively.
So IE 6 must have been the best browser in history! It had 90% of the marketshare in 2003! Windows 3.1 sold more copies than any gui driven platform to date 20 years ago. It must have been sooooo much better than the Mac and OS/2? McDonalds sold billions of cheeseburgers. It must be the best restuarant in the world!
People buy their crap. Doesn't mean they are fame. Andriod does have its issues too with the 2.x versions. I am tempted to replace my SamSung Galaxy 1 with a used IPhone 4s. It can't even sync with a pc and that is pretty primptive in my book. I heard others can, but AT&T probably loaded some shit where I can not even load up a picture I took with it. Anyway, stories like these remind me that perhaps I should look at a Windows 8 phone replacement rather than an Apple. I like the higher quality and detail but these guys are fucking a**holes.
That is socialism! That will not be tollerated in the west!
In all seriousness corporate america and the top 2% will fight you tooth and nail and bribe any politician to get their way wether you like it or not. You just need to accept this and try to become rich yourself. Capitalism without regulation is the new rat race.
That is Apple's strategy. If I were the CEO of Samsung I would leave the market to Apple. Not to sound corwardish, but it just plainly is not profitable to exist in the market where Apple 0wns the patent system. I would save my cash and patent the hell out of TVs to make sure Apple stays out of market instead.
Andriod is now a loss leader thanks to these frivilous lawsuits and it is about ego and emotion already invested in as rationally it is time to leave. Fucking Apple.
Apache doesn't either. With a phone call from Google they quickly released a patch to make sure it wont respect DNT no matter what! ... ok I assume Google had a play as I do not see why the patcher bashed DNT for ruining standards and quickly did a patch to block it?!
It came from my computer? How can you say its not my property. Does any document I type in Word the property of Microsoft? Where do you cross the line?
If I do an action how can someone else own it?
Here you go for the recent release last month. Here is more info on on getting linux to run.
It may not be computationally faster at all compared to a datacenter, but I/O wise where transactions per hour as well as cooling and electrical costs can bring an advantage.
I do not know. I do know the newer mainframes shut off cores and turn them on depending on load. This will save power while I imagine it would be difficult or impossible to do this with a server farm that easily.
While the other poster wanted benchmarks I think this would be impossible to do on a reasonable budget. Mainframes have always been about I/O and load and transactions per hour. A datacenter is one hell of an I/O load network wise and this is something the mainframe would be better at.
IBM mainframes are very expensive and that is for sure. However so is running a server farm where the electrical costs in a year easily outnumber the fixed costs of the hardware. I imagine less heat too for 2 or 3 mainframes vs 700 blades. But there is the issue of the mainframe being the central point of failure. Since this slashdot perhaps a mainframe guru could care to comment on this in terms of the new one that just came out next month?
Mod parent up.
Mainframes still get a bad rap from those that remembered the early 90s and 80s. But the new IBM series can run 10,000 vms of redhat and unlike VMWare the vms can share ram with each other. The powerpc processors have something insane like 32 mbs of l3 cache per core. Also you can set the mainframe to open or close the number of VMs per load dynamically all by itself.
Mainframes have alwaus been 15 yeats ahead of lintel servers. VMWare is doing things today mainframrs did in the 1990s.