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Apple Wants Another $707 Million From Samsung
angry tapir writes "A California jury may have awarded Apple more than US$1 billion in damages in late August when it triumphed over Samsung in a hard-fought case over smartphone and tablet patents, but the iPhone maker is coming back for more: late last week it asked for additional damages of $707 million. The request includes an enhanced award of $535 million for willful violation of Apple's designs and patents, as well as about $172 million in supplemental damages based on the fact that the original damages were calculated on Samsung's sales through June 30."
I didn't think Apple was doing that badly that they have to litigate others for cash to stay relevant. Oh wait, maybe they are doing it to make the others strapped for cash! Or wait, maybe there isn't even a point in doing this. Maybe they should all hold hands and be happy instead. :3
Sorry to all the Apple fanboys out there, but it becomes increasingly hard to feel any sympathies for Apple. Seems that Apple's fame is slowly declining...
If a company has to make profit by law-suits there is something fundamentally wrong with it.
are thieving vermin and deserve nothing but contempt from the courts and the public alike. Not one single device they produce is original or innovative in style, form or function, neither was using a fanboi to get a court verdict in their favour (Microsoft surely have a patent on that).
But hope that my action of replacing my broken 2007 MacBook Pro (yes, the Nvidia chip and out of warranty) with a PC will help send a message to Apple.
No more Apple devices in my home.
They have to pay for the ex-Google Mappers somehow. It's either that or convince people to start renaming continents.
Fear the penguin.
The mastermind is gone, so they need to start doing stuff like this frequently since there won't be any new innovation and goodwill that came naturally with Jobs.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120922171505170
The real news is Samsung's motion for JMOL or a new trial. This verdict is hopelessly inconsistent and compromised - the statements made by the jury foreman are hard to believe! - that there is no chance of it standing. If sane, Apple would admit that, argue that the verdict should be tossed in it's entirety, so the important points in Samsung's favor are lost as well, and keep it's powder dry for round 2. I'm not holding my breath for that, as they have shown a willingness to argue that the sky is green from day 1.
Prediction for end of Universe #42: Fencepost error in Quantum_bogosort.cpp
Apple might have a hard time asking for more money from that judgment when Samsung has valid claims which could lead to a retrial.
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsung-1990Samsung50and59motions.pdf
Of note: the table of references point to cases of jury misconduct, even though the arguments by Samsung were redacted. Bet on this judgment being tossed out fast.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
The game being IP.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
I've had quite a few iPods over the years and was thinking about an iPad but now Apple have joined Sony on my 'never buying a damned thing from them ever again because they're evil' list.
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
The trial will be either tossed out or redone with judge less hostile to Samsung. And the jury foreman, that guy must be paid by Samsung because he has shot more holes in the jury decision than Samsungs lawyers could ever have done with a haubitzer.
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How about the millions of damages for the idea of a tablet computer, posthumously, to Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke?
And on the Eighth Day, Man created God.
What happened to the concept of a "jury of peers" as in English law (i.e. equals)? If corporations are people in the USA, then the jury in a trial between corporations over technical issues should consist of retired (as in no ax to grind) design engineers with experience of the patent, trademark and design system. This won't happen because they would rapidly expose the ignorance of the lawyers, simply by the questions they would ask. But it would eliminate an awful lot of bad decisions and legal costs.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
This additional damages must have been linked to lawyer costs associated with the trial.
That statement is only used by abusers of the system and their fanboys.
Don't hate the rapist, hate rape. Only a rapist would say that. The rest of the world hates both.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Because if this is taken anywhere outside of Siliicon valley, Apple will cry and complain that it wasn't fair and that "they just don't know"
If I were a shareholder I would be quite worried about the (cr)Apple strategy. IMHO this is a clear signal of lack of innovative ideas. Innovation cannot be a continuos flow and they are reaching their limits. I doubt that the iphone 5 will be a planetary success because of the lack of real innovation in it. It's a sad black thing with infamous rounded corners. It's not appealing neither aestethically nor tecnologically. The competitors do at least the same and also much better. They appear on the descending path.
Apple decided to go nuclear, and it is likely to backfire on them. While the patent system is broken for sure, most other large companies seemed to use stupid patents largely defensively. They'd patent everything under the sun so that if someone came after them, they could counter with thousands of patents and see what stuck. In terms of legit patents, they'd do cross licensing.
Not Apple, they've decided to go nuclear on other players. Sue them for stupid amounts of money, declare nobody can make anything that looks like an Apple product, and so on. They raised the stakes, and thus things are getting nasty.
So we sure can, and will, hate on Apple.
"So what am I going to do, refuse to buy Apple out of some sense of moral outrage?"
Well I do NOT buy Apple products over this, and sure most people don't know what Apple is up to here, but that's OK, because I'm going to tell them. That is what stories like this do, they make people aware.
Over time people WILL be aware of what Apple is up to, just as Microsoft can't sell jack shit in any market they don't have a lock on, so Apple is in that position in future.
Then they noticed Samsung employees going to work - wearing PANTS!.
While an individual doesn't send a large message, every little bit helps and just because each individual message isn't large doesn't mean that a flood of them will be small.
It also helps in that Apple is in a positive feedback loop of their stuff being popular because it is popular. Well, the less people who are seen with Apple products, the more it works to break that feedback loop.
I certainly encourage anyone who is angered at Apple's business practices to find other devices. The good news is that it is perfectly doable. There's nothing Apple has I'm aware of that you can't find a workable alternative to.
Now if you like the stuff Apple makes the best and don't care about their actions, fair enough, but "I can't find anything else," isn't a valid point. Android or Windows Mobile phones work real well, tons of companies will supply you with a computer at any price and quality point you wish and so on.
So the parent has the right of it: If you are mad at Apple, don't buy their stuff. Better still, send them a polite e-mail, letting them know. Even better still, let others know why and encourage them to do the same (don't be pushy though).
If they win maybe they can use the proceeds to pay the swiss railway. by the sounds of it apple believes in harsh penalty for wilful violation. Swiss Rail will be very happy to hear apple feels this way.
Must be easy to be a US company. Make a product. Doesn't matter if it sucks or not. If someone else make a better competing product with their own technology, sue their ass with bogus patents on rounded corners and whatnot, which are only possible in the US, and grab all the competitors profit in the entire world.
Why doesn't samsung just have the USPTO do a re-exam of the patent, its cheap and would possibly invalidate the patent.
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=ticks%20%26%20leeches%20tool#/watch?v=RelR85j09XY
Seemed somewhat apropos.
Silence is a state of mime.
Bullshit. I am not saying that the Patent dispute is valid. What I am saying is that Apple makes hardware and software and sells it. It is not correct to say that defending their patents is how they make their money. What you are thinking of is a patent troll. You cannot expect any company to ignore patent violations, and you cannot fault any company for refusing to ignore them. Unless that company is a patent troll, any claim that they make their money through patent lawsuits is ridiculous. Apple makes their money by designing and selling computer systems.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Ben Dover.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The way I hear it, the amount claimed as damages has been rounded for some irrational reason. The real amount is $707,106,781.18.
He's referring to the side show where Apple claimed that Samsung should have guessed earlier than they did that Apple was going to take them to court, and begun preserving evidence. This is contradicted in that Apple also did not begin preserving evidence until after Samsung did. If Apple did not feel that it might take action, how was Samsung to guess? Crystal ball? Examining sheep's livers?
As I said, a sideshow. Apple backed off as soon as the judge started making noises that Apple should be punished as well.
Prediction for end of Universe #42: Fencepost error in Quantum_bogosort.cpp
It is hard to read the tea leaves from the redacted sections, and we do not yet have access to the exhibits ( which may be redacted anyway ), but looking at the case law, the groklawers seem to have done a good jobs of it.
It seems the jury foreman was sued by Seagate ( still don't know what for, but give the groklawers time ) and then had to declare bankruptcy six moths later. The redacted section also cites several cases of jurors lying during voir dire. All suggesting that the foreman possible, if not probably, lied during voir dire. If that is the case then the verdict may wind up being tossed.
For most of the guys, *court cases* got to be accepted. *Suing* was the only way that everybody stayed in line. You got out of line, you got *sued*. Everybody knew the rules. But sometimes, even if people didn't get out of line, they got sued. I mean, hits just became a habit for some of the guys. Guys would get into arguments over nothing and before you knew it, one of them was *bankrupt*. And they were suing each other all the time. Suing people was a normal thing. It was no big deal.
Since when did the geek opinion on Apple change from informed criticism (mostly of the walled garden) to pure Westboro Baptist bile? The hate seems to have turned into a meme, where the destruction of Apple inc has become the goal. Buyers of Apple equipment are ridiculed and looked down upon.
I mean, really, no one is going to take your shiny SIII or One X from you or prevent you from in-the-pocket-recompiling the kernel on your fancy quad core handset, or hack the telephone to become a garage door opener, at its EoL. The sales numbers alone clearly show that Android isn't going away anytime soon. But, *please*, respect the fact that other people prefer a seamless, non-hacky solution, such as the one offered by iDevices.
Isn't Apple copying Samsung at this point? Samsung is a FULL generation ahead of Apple in software and hardware, so anything Apple comes up with at this point is following Samsung.
I find it quite humerus that Apple's fanbase is paying for this lawsuit giving money to Samsung.
Fuck Apple, and fuck anybody who buys Apple products.
No damage was done. Apple should have never won at the first place. Samsung (Google) product is 100% independent and Apple got nothing over them.
Troll? You can't be serious. Apple is a capitalist corporation and will keep all the money, not spreading it around in the population (which would be a good thing).
There's a fair bit of research showing that well-being is related inversely to the difference in income between the richest and poorest people in a society. The smaller the difference, the better off people are.
LOL
You shouldn't be allowed to come back and ask for more money.
"A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money" /Dickerson?