Windows 7 has different networking profiles when it attaches to a different network. It will ask you if its a business, home, or public wifi/lan. Homegroup only works at home so there is no security risk if you use the same laptop at an airport as Windows 7 will detect if its a EAP wifi and be public only.
Windows 7 is a very significant upgrade and even the smallest features listed can save much aggregation due to half the infections, a system restore that works like a time machine with snapshots, and many other improvements.
I listed safety improvements in Win 7 on my other post over XP. TO me win 7 is the OS with ABS, seatbelts, and sidebars and other improvements.
As someone who does XP to win 7 migrations I can tell you malware infections drop quickly after upgrading. I have seen HUGE malware come in through flash ads that Avast catches. I would not be surprised if your XP machines are infected and you may not know it. That alone makes XP inappropriate for internet use in 2012 in my opinion.
One thing that Wikipedia wont tell you is that networking is still a weakness of win 7.
I am talking SMB and AD. Windows 7 fixed many issues in Vista but not all. If you have lots of ARP tables and lists of things left in directories on AD it will freeze Windows 7 at the welcome screen. XP works fine.
AD gives error messages about trust relationships and Win 7 is more picky with stale AD objects left on the network over XP.
I am in favor of Win 7 over XP but some businesses wont upgrade yet because of this. Sure win 7 has more throughoutput but the SMB protocol sucks in win 7 over XP.
I also failed to mention that Windows 7 supports HomeGroup. For example when I installed Windows 7 on my desktop it automatically opened my share of my documents from my laptop on the wifi network and even the PS 3 is accessible.
If you have many computers in your home they work instantly without setting up shares and opening up things in your router so each device can see each other etc. Very cool for the wifey or kids. The turn on their device and stream media without caring where it is.
Is it enough that you would want to leave XP? That is up to you, but certainly it is an upgrade over XP anyday.
Security wise - Offers better process and privileged seperation with much more secure services to prevent exploits - UAC - Secure boot for 64 bit version to prevent rootkits - Signed drivers in 64 bit to prevent malware and rootkits - Full DEP for all services and not just some - ASLR random memory addressing to prevent a peak and poke exploit to execute malware - Improved sandboxing using ASLR for Internet explorer - VS 2010 has secure exception handling to prevent buffer overflows and data execution and it comes with IE 9
Performance - MUCH improved SMP and scalability support for Phenom IIs, Icore5s and Icore 7s. - No more n^o paging for swap HELL even if the system has lots of free ram (correct me as I forgot the NT algorithm for paging that was replaced) - SATA/PATA command queing async support rather than single sync - GPU support for business graphics in aero. THis is usefull is you do things like desktop publishing or multi media heavy powerpoint slides - H.264 support with full hardware acceleration - USB 3 support - Thunderbolt support - Sleep mode instead of hibernation - UEFI secure boot (I know this one is political) But nice if you want to be rootkit free
Usability - Aero peak lets you use the cursor to scroll over minimized programs and IE tabs and it will show a small preview. I use this everyday with lots of things running - Aero has a side by side feature where you can drag things left or right so you can have one document next to another. I think its called Aero snap - Awesome search feature making start menu obsolete. Just click the Windows key and type ex..."Excel 2010 pops up" and hit enter key!. Shoot what was our sales in assets in 2009? Type WIndows key and "Sales assets 2009" and viola excel and word files show up with those key phrases. When I was in college I had hundres of excel and word documents and switched back to slow Vista just for this feature. Fucking cool to reference things. This day I panic when I go back to XP. I am so used to typing Windows key cmd in 1/5 of a second to open a command prompt etc. You will hate XP after trying this - clear aero means you can see Windows behind Windows - Saved searches - Version of IE that doesn't suck and has hardware accelerated graphics and Firefox 3.6 support of HTML 5, ajax, and css 3. Not too bad and is secure. For offices this is great as these poor saps stuck with IE can at least have a modern web experience of this decade. - Websites can be added to the taskbar as apps. Nice for that salesforce app for work - Jumplist for minimized items. For example I can right click on the CHrome app on the taskbar and select a frequently visited website.
Reliability - Trim support. SSDs only last for a year if you are luck. WIthout Trim the life of a SSD in XP is weeks or months if you have lots of space if you are really lucky. - User mode driver isolation. If a driver fails it wont bluescreen but instead a wizard will pop up and a trouble shooter. The XP ones just had screenshots but the Win 7 will diagnose and even fix a problem - Restore and shadow volumes. THe restore on XP does not really restore other than try to put some files back and forth. Win 7 restore will restore the registry as well and use metadata to recover even deleted items! Very cool indeed
Windows 8 improves (ignoring METRO) in addition to inheriented Windows 7 features
- Windows ToGo so you can boot with a flash drive to fix a system. About damn time as Linux had this since 2005 - Moving profile on a flash drive (forgot term). You can have your whole desktop, metro apps, and even your files and settings moved between work and home. - Remote management and app support without AD or VPN. If you sign on with your tablet or desktop with your corporate email you can have your profile and even programs uploaded to your device! - Very very fast boot times on old hardware - A version of Internet E
That is silly. Do users really freak out that much because Documents looks so freighteningly different with the libraries or that the ugly fisher price blue and green is gone!
As someone trying to start a website business on the side IE 6 and 7 wont go away until XP dies! I do not want to support HTML 4 in 2019 because IE 8 still has %20 marketshare thanks to cheapskates and luddities refusing to upgrade.
Win 8 must suck but XP for 14 years is ridiculous. No one should have platforms that old.
But Geekoid, didn't you get the Memo? IT is a cost center. Who cares when you can spend $500,000 for more sales people who are profit centers that can make that $1,500,000!
In all seriousness with a new recession on the horizon with manufactoring slowing in Europe, China, and now the US the big bosses will want to keep what they have and the accountants will be screaming to cut costs. Upgrading is simply not an option and it is universal that in fortune 500 that IT sucks and is a drain unless you are an I.T. company.
XP is a pain in the ass today but I do not see this problem going away. If Greece falls you can bet IT is the last thing the CEO wants to invest in even if it is 10 years old.
This is a serious problem for novices. Windows 95 may have froze a few users as well but it was pretty easy to figure out within 5 minutes. The _ is minimize the square is maximize and X closed... ok check... how do I do something? Click start -> then the task you want to do. For example shutdown is listed. The lady in that video above within 18 minutes did not see it visibily.... ok check.
Want to run Word hmmm I want to start it right? Ok start -> hmm is it a program in all programs? Ah Word click.
You get the basic idea. Metro is more challenging for these reasons and not logical to find things. For example how do you have multiple tabs in IE 10? Now how do I cut and paste a hyperlink from one tab to another? On the IpaD Safari has tabs that you can click on to accomplish this. Cut and Paste is not a power users function anymore unlike in 1995. People today are more computer literate but using strange random touch gestures is not appropriate. I hate gestures to be honest.
I worked at a PC shop briefly and almost all our laptops in were Toshiba or HPs. Both are crap.
Samsung seems to be making some good stuff, Asus I normally would recommend but they have had some crappy lemons too thrown in.
Thinkpads are going to junk too as the cost accountants are bossing the engineers like they do in Dell and HP to lower costs and quality. You can't trust them anymore either. Seems Asus and Samsung are the rebels here and breaking away the marketshare HP and Dell had for so long.... or rather the ones HP and Dell ruined.
Maybe you can be the one who does IT support while I bring in 4 devices that mess up your work and I will help give you a poor performance review in return and make sure you work off the clock to service the legiitimate users while I waste your time trying to get facebook to work on my uber IPAD.
Sounds perfectly fair then. Do not like it then run your own company.
Another thing that is a plus if you buy them from the Microsoft Store is no Crapware. IT comes with Windows Signature edition with high resolution backgrounds from Bing and MSE built inside it.
Even with decrapifier my own Asus from BestBuy is not as fast or responsive than when I put a fresh OEM edition of Windows 7 on it. This is true even after going in the Registry and deleting all the references to trend micro. That crapware damages the Windows installation.
Have you looked at the prices for business grade laptops from HP? They start at like $1400. Mind you this was just an i5, 1366 x 768 screen and a standard mechanical hard drive. Nothing fancy like SSD or a 17 inch screen and a dedicated GPU.
New tablet/laptop hybrids will be out with screen resolutions above 1366 x 768 with great DPI. Perhaps Retina resolution grade?
Basically the screen part pops out for a 17 in tablet and you can plug it back in. Dell and HP will sell them with Windows 7 as well as Windows 8, assuming it is a repeat of Vista. My father got his PC when Vista came out and Dell had a version with XP still and he jumped on it. Or just wipe them with Windows 7 as SP 1 supports Secure Boot and EFI as well.
With that out of the way the very first thing I do is type "The lazy brown fox jumped over the fence" to test the keyboard and my accuracy. I do typing a lot when I was in school and I assume most people primarily use their computers for that. The keyboard is very important. Then buy them online after trying the models at hte local BestBuy or Fries.
I believe the issue is the beancounters cut down and limit helpdesk and then the policy changes where the amount of calls/tickets doubles, yet they are still supposed to have them all finished by the end of the day. This drives up support costs and puts the burden on the workers. If the employer refuses to pay for more support then those who need to get their email or other more appropriate business oriented task done will have to wait.
Worse, they now need to learn IOS, Andriod, and Blackberry in edition to Windows and Cisco stuff on their dime.
I can only imagine security issues of a single employee bringing in a netbook with a virus and having it spread all over the network. These are legitimate problems that these employers who bring them in are totally insulated from.
BYOD does not belong in the workplace. Maybe if they are important enough an external site can be used or something like OUtlook express so they can view emails on their phones but that is it. No bring your virii laden netbook from home and plug it in to the 3,000 user network and then cry foul at the lowly help desk guy for not foreseeing it.
I am tired of supporting old versions of IE, Win 7 supports trim for SSDs so they do not die within 90 days, it can handle multi cores, when something fails like a driver win 7 can handle it better, it is MUCH more secure.
Windows 7 is a decent improvement. Its not perfect but it certainly is an upgrade from XP.
I did a contract for a PC Refresh upgrade for a hospital. To my astonishment they still ran XP SP 2... not even XP SP 3 but SP 2. The argument was certain software wasn't certified for medical grade and tested with our infrastructure.
This process takes years. If your employer can't upgrade then.NET 4.5 wont matter anyway as they are too cheap to upgrade. Now some software today is being sold for XP only. To me that is dangerous when EOL is almost here. I read another commenter this week about a powerplant 1.5 million upgrade that happened just this January where it required XP! How stupid can you be? Now if this were 2002 then yes it would not be a bad investment then over 10 years etc. He wanted XP to be supported for 2020 because the salesteam was a smooth talker to upper management.
Healthcare requires the certification so it is more imperative in your situation to demand software that is certified in Windows 7 now including the development tools. By having them degrade you now can give Mr McKesson a business reason to start the migration. It is expensive but how much will a security breach with HIPA insurance cost us? THe accountants would let Windows 98 still be around if they could and they are trying to do that with XP currently. Who cares your SSDs will die fast without TRIM in XP. Accountants say we can save money and never upgrade as a pc is a pc regardless of the software and when it was made etc. Since a new recession is starting thanks to Greece now is the time to do it before income crawls.
Probably same users who still use IE 6. Isnt the AOL browser just a reskinned IE 6? I was so angry when when they bought Netscape and released Netscape with an IE 6 engine underneath. Stupid clueless managment
XP is 11 years old. MS shouldnt bother with porting NET 4. Its expensive to backport and gives cheap phbs and software developers to demand XP still.
Companies need to get with the times. It takes a year for large enterprise to migrate and now is a good time. By saying most of it there gives CIOs the false impression XP is mature and can do everything win 7 can.
However not trying hard will guarantee you no job either! So I imitate successful people hoping to emulate their success. Donald trump, Bill Gates, and others only sleep a few hours a night. Same with doctors and lawyers putting in the hours.
I am smart enough to realize it wasnt just Wow. I was part of the blame as was making her move to Alaska where the 4 hours of light in the winter did it. I made myself use the hiking trails and use the great outdoors if it wasnt too cold out in the winter. Wow might not have been the cause but the intimacy of of the male wow players and the ignoring and letting everything go to hell is why the marriage couldnt be recouncilled. She tried but I was too mad.
Shame a year later I still regret what happened and miss her but the reaction of the 2 things is what did it for us which was wow. Alcholism could be same thing.
You are missing the point. If you use Windows it is the decelopment environment. Unless you write enterprise Java servlets you use vs.net with MSDN.
Even if you switched to intels compiler and vi m you miss out on the docs from msdn and the project files from the internet to learn coding. Its the same with xcode from Apple.
Only linux doesnt tie things like this to the ecosystem. There is a reason Borland is gone
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Windows 7 has different networking profiles when it attaches to a different network. It will ask you if its a business, home, or public wifi/lan. Homegroup only works at home so there is no security risk if you use the same laptop at an airport as Windows 7 will detect if its a EAP wifi and be public only.
Look at my post here?
Windows 7 is a very significant upgrade and even the smallest features listed can save much aggregation due to half the infections, a system restore that works like a time machine with snapshots, and many other improvements.
I listed safety improvements in Win 7 on my other post over XP. TO me win 7 is the OS with ABS, seatbelts, and sidebars and other improvements.
As someone who does XP to win 7 migrations I can tell you malware infections drop quickly after upgrading. I have seen HUGE malware come in through flash ads that Avast catches. I would not be surprised if your XP machines are infected and you may not know it. That alone makes XP inappropriate for internet use in 2012 in my opinion.
One thing that Wikipedia wont tell you is that networking is still a weakness of win 7.
I am talking SMB and AD. Windows 7 fixed many issues in Vista but not all. If you have lots of ARP tables and lists of things left in directories on AD it will freeze Windows 7 at the welcome screen. XP works fine.
AD gives error messages about trust relationships and Win 7 is more picky with stale AD objects left on the network over XP.
I am in favor of Win 7 over XP but some businesses wont upgrade yet because of this. Sure win 7 has more throughoutput but the SMB protocol sucks in win 7 over XP.
I also failed to mention that Windows 7 supports HomeGroup. For example when I installed Windows 7 on my desktop it automatically opened my share of my documents from my laptop on the wifi network and even the PS 3 is accessible.
If you have many computers in your home they work instantly without setting up shares and opening up things in your router so each device can see each other etc. Very cool for the wifey or kids. The turn on their device and stream media without caring where it is.
Is it enough that you would want to leave XP? That is up to you, but certainly it is an upgrade over XP anyday.
Off the top of my head Windows 7 offers
Security wise
- Offers better process and privileged seperation with much more secure services to prevent exploits
- UAC
- Secure boot for 64 bit version to prevent rootkits
- Signed drivers in 64 bit to prevent malware and rootkits
- Full DEP for all services and not just some
- ASLR random memory addressing to prevent a peak and poke exploit to execute malware
- Improved sandboxing using ASLR for Internet explorer
- VS 2010 has secure exception handling to prevent buffer overflows and data execution and it comes with IE 9
Performance
- MUCH improved SMP and scalability support for Phenom IIs, Icore5s and Icore 7s.
- No more n^o paging for swap HELL even if the system has lots of free ram (correct me as I forgot the NT algorithm for paging that was replaced)
- SATA/PATA command queing async support rather than single sync
- GPU support for business graphics in aero. THis is usefull is you do things like desktop publishing or multi media heavy powerpoint slides
- H.264 support with full hardware acceleration
- USB 3 support
- Thunderbolt support
- Sleep mode instead of hibernation
- UEFI secure boot (I know this one is political) But nice if you want to be rootkit free
Usability ..."Excel 2010 pops up" and hit enter key!. Shoot what was our sales in assets in 2009? Type WIndows key and "Sales assets 2009" and viola excel and word files show up with those key phrases. When I was in college I had hundres of excel and word documents and switched back to slow Vista just for this feature. Fucking cool to reference things. This day I panic when I go back to XP. I am so used to typing Windows key cmd in 1/5 of a second to open a command prompt etc. You will hate XP after trying this
- Aero peak lets you use the cursor to scroll over minimized programs and IE tabs and it will show a small preview. I use this everyday with lots of things running
- Aero has a side by side feature where you can drag things left or right so you can have one document next to another. I think its called Aero snap
- Awesome search feature making start menu obsolete. Just click the Windows key and type ex
- clear aero means you can see Windows behind Windows
- Saved searches
- Version of IE that doesn't suck and has hardware accelerated graphics and Firefox 3.6 support of HTML 5, ajax, and css 3. Not too bad and is secure. For offices this is great as these poor saps stuck with IE can at least have a modern web experience of this decade.
- Websites can be added to the taskbar as apps. Nice for that salesforce app for work
- Jumplist for minimized items. For example I can right click on the CHrome app on the taskbar and select a frequently visited website.
Reliability
- Trim support. SSDs only last for a year if you are luck. WIthout Trim the life of a SSD in XP is weeks or months if you have lots of space if you are really lucky.
- User mode driver isolation. If a driver fails it wont bluescreen but instead a wizard will pop up and a trouble shooter. The XP ones just had screenshots but the Win 7 will diagnose and even fix a problem
- Restore and shadow volumes. THe restore on XP does not really restore other than try to put some files back and forth. Win 7 restore will restore the registry as well and use metadata to recover even deleted items! Very cool indeed
Windows 8 improves (ignoring METRO) in addition to inheriented Windows 7 features
- Windows ToGo so you can boot with a flash drive to fix a system. About damn time as Linux had this since 2005
- Moving profile on a flash drive (forgot term). You can have your whole desktop, metro apps, and even your files and settings moved between work and home.
- Remote management and app support without AD or VPN. If you sign on with your tablet or desktop with your corporate email you can have your profile and even programs uploaded to your device!
- Very very fast boot times on old hardware
- A version of Internet E
That is silly. Do users really freak out that much because Documents looks so freighteningly different with the libraries or that the ugly fisher price blue and green is gone!
God I hope not.
As someone trying to start a website business on the side IE 6 and 7 wont go away until XP dies! I do not want to support HTML 4 in 2019 because IE 8 still has %20 marketshare thanks to cheapskates and luddities refusing to upgrade.
Win 8 must suck but XP for 14 years is ridiculous. No one should have platforms that old.
But Geekoid, didn't you get the Memo? IT is a cost center. Who cares when you can spend $500,000 for more sales people who are profit centers that can make that $1,500,000!
In all seriousness with a new recession on the horizon with manufactoring slowing in Europe, China, and now the US the big bosses will want to keep what they have and the accountants will be screaming to cut costs. Upgrading is simply not an option and it is universal that in fortune 500 that IT sucks and is a drain unless you are an I.T. company.
XP is a pain in the ass today but I do not see this problem going away. If Greece falls you can bet IT is the last thing the CEO wants to invest in even if it is 10 years old.
Mod parent up!
This is a serious problem for novices. Windows 95 may have froze a few users as well but it was pretty easy to figure out within 5 minutes. The _ is minimize the square is maximize and X closed ... ok check ... how do I do something? Click start -> then the task you want to do. For example shutdown is listed. The lady in that video above within 18 minutes did not see it visibily. ... ok check.
Want to run Word hmmm I want to start it right? Ok start -> hmm is it a program in all programs? Ah Word click.
You get the basic idea. Metro is more challenging for these reasons and not logical to find things. For example how do you have multiple tabs in IE 10? Now how do I cut and paste a hyperlink from one tab to another? On the IpaD Safari has tabs that you can click on to accomplish this. Cut and Paste is not a power users function anymore unlike in 1995. People today are more computer literate but using strange random touch gestures is not appropriate. I hate gestures to be honest.
The problem is they load them with crapware.
At the Microsoft Store they are bundled with Windows Signature Edition with no crapware at all. Big difference to the user.
HP has been rated worst of the pack.
I worked at a PC shop briefly and almost all our laptops in were Toshiba or HPs. Both are crap.
Samsung seems to be making some good stuff, Asus I normally would recommend but they have had some crappy lemons too thrown in.
Thinkpads are going to junk too as the cost accountants are bossing the engineers like they do in Dell and HP to lower costs and quality. You can't trust them anymore either. Seems Asus and Samsung are the rebels here and breaking away the marketshare HP and Dell had for so long. ... or rather the ones HP and Dell ruined.
Maybe you can be the one who does IT support while I bring in 4 devices that mess up your work and I will help give you a poor performance review in return and make sure you work off the clock to service the legiitimate users while I waste your time trying to get facebook to work on my uber IPAD.
Sounds perfectly fair then. Do not like it then run your own company.
Another thing that is a plus if you buy them from the Microsoft Store is no Crapware. IT comes with Windows Signature edition with high resolution backgrounds from Bing and MSE built inside it.
Even with decrapifier my own Asus from BestBuy is not as fast or responsive than when I put a fresh OEM edition of Windows 7 on it. This is true even after going in the Registry and deleting all the references to trend micro. That crapware damages the Windows installation.
Have you looked at the prices for business grade laptops from HP? They start at like $1400. Mind you this was just an i5, 1366 x 768 screen and a standard mechanical hard drive. Nothing fancy like SSD or a 17 inch screen and a dedicated GPU.
New tablet/laptop hybrids will be out with screen resolutions above 1366 x 768 with great DPI. Perhaps Retina resolution grade?
Basically the screen part pops out for a 17 in tablet and you can plug it back in. Dell and HP will sell them with Windows 7 as well as Windows 8, assuming it is a repeat of Vista. My father got his PC when Vista came out and Dell had a version with XP still and he jumped on it. Or just wipe them with Windows 7 as SP 1 supports Secure Boot and EFI as well.
With that out of the way the very first thing I do is type "The lazy brown fox jumped over the fence" to test the keyboard and my accuracy. I do typing a lot when I was in school and I assume most people primarily use their computers for that. The keyboard is very important. Then buy them online after trying the models at hte local BestBuy or Fries.
I believe the issue is the beancounters cut down and limit helpdesk and then the policy changes where the amount of calls/tickets doubles, yet they are still supposed to have them all finished by the end of the day. This drives up support costs and puts the burden on the workers. If the employer refuses to pay for more support then those who need to get their email or other more appropriate business oriented task done will have to wait.
Worse, they now need to learn IOS, Andriod, and Blackberry in edition to Windows and Cisco stuff on their dime.
I can only imagine security issues of a single employee bringing in a netbook with a virus and having it spread all over the network. These are legitimate problems that these employers who bring them in are totally insulated from.
BYOD does not belong in the workplace. Maybe if they are important enough an external site can be used or something like OUtlook express so they can view emails on their phones but that is it. No bring your virii laden netbook from home and plug it in to the 3,000 user network and then cry foul at the lowly help desk guy for not foreseeing it.
I am tired of supporting old versions of IE, Win 7 supports trim for SSDs so they do not die within 90 days, it can handle multi cores, when something fails like a driver win 7 can handle it better, it is MUCH more secure.
Windows 7 is a decent improvement. Its not perfect but it certainly is an upgrade from XP.
I did a contract for a PC Refresh upgrade for a hospital. To my astonishment they still ran XP SP 2 ... not even XP SP 3 but SP 2. The argument was certain software wasn't certified for medical grade and tested with our infrastructure.
This process takes years. If your employer can't upgrade then .NET 4.5 wont matter anyway as they are too cheap to upgrade. Now some software today is being sold for XP only. To me that is dangerous when EOL is almost here. I read another commenter this week about a powerplant 1.5 million upgrade that happened just this January where it required XP! How stupid can you be? Now if this were 2002 then yes it would not be a bad investment then over 10 years etc. He wanted XP to be supported for 2020 because the salesteam was a smooth talker to upper management.
Healthcare requires the certification so it is more imperative in your situation to demand software that is certified in Windows 7 now including the development tools. By having them degrade you now can give Mr McKesson a business reason to start the migration. It is expensive but how much will a security breach with HIPA insurance cost us? THe accountants would let Windows 98 still be around if they could and they are trying to do that with XP currently. Who cares your SSDs will die fast without TRIM in XP. Accountants say we can save money and never upgrade as a pc is a pc regardless of the software and when it was made etc. Since a new recession is starting thanks to Greece now is the time to do it before income crawls.
Probably same users who still use IE 6. Isnt the AOL browser just a reskinned IE 6? I was so angry when when they bought Netscape and released Netscape with an IE 6 engine underneath. Stupid clueless managment
XP is 11 years old. MS shouldnt bother with porting NET 4. Its expensive to backport and gives cheap phbs and software developers to demand XP still.
Companies need to get with the times. It takes a year for large enterprise to migrate and now is a good time. By saying most of it there gives CIOs the false impression XP is mature and can do everything win 7 can.
Aero is gone with an ugly win 7 basic like gui but with all blinding white. Ms mentioned it would be discontinued.
The media player is gone from all but ultimate. Pro wont carry it so except to carry 2 laptops to watch a movie on a plane if ypu use a work laptop.
The news keeps getting worse
However not trying hard will guarantee you no job either! So I imitate successful people hoping to emulate their success. Donald trump, Bill Gates, and others only sleep a few hours a night. Same with doctors and lawyers putting in the hours.
Thats what my argument was.
Right on!
I am smart enough to realize it wasnt just Wow. I was part of the blame as was making her move to Alaska where the 4 hours of light in the winter did it. I made myself use the hiking trails and use the great outdoors if it wasnt too cold out in the winter. Wow might not have been the cause but the intimacy of of the male wow players and the ignoring and letting everything go to hell is why the marriage couldnt be recouncilled. She tried but I was too mad.
Shame a year later I still regret what happened and miss her but the reaction of the 2 things is what did it for us which was wow. Alcholism could be same thing.
You are missing the point. If you use Windows it is the decelopment environment. Unless you write enterprise Java servlets you use vs.net with MSDN.
Even if you switched to intels compiler and vi m you miss out on the docs from msdn and the project files from the internet to learn coding. Its the same with xcode from Apple.
Only linux doesnt tie things like this to the ecosystem. There is a reason Borland is gone