.NET and the win32 api is the tie in. MS was just nice to invent a MSIL so other languages can use it with a.NET api as a wrapper layer for the internal COM/win32 api.
Java is tie in too with its own api. Its just that platform runs inside others but its hard to leave it.
I do wonder what would of happened if Gore were elected and split up MS into 3 distinct corporations..NET would not be tied to Windows as much as it now is and we might of had the whole.NET api and VS for the Mac and Linux. That would have been interesting. Perhaps Gnome 3 would be.NET based instead in that alternative universe? Since Java is as good as dead now thanks to the mismanagement of Sun and now the evil of Oracle it really blows. That leaves C#.net for enterprise web apps and portals unfortunately.
Objective-C like mono is free. You can write linux apps with it. However the real api's are made for Apple just like C#.net.
If your labor is greater than the 50k cost I would say it was a rip off and a bad investment. Alpha is dead and Itanium is dying with HP being fickle with intel and Oracle killing it the risk is huge!
A wiser investment would be to write it for Linux or Windows new if your plucking down cash. They wont be going anywhere for a long time. Who the knows whays gping to happen to vms.
CEOs have stated CIOs do not understand business and see shit only as costs with no value. Like cars and equipment its a better ROI to EOL.
Replace PDP with IE 6 and your opinion changes drastically if you design sites where the client feels its easy to view the same site on his IPAd as his w2k workstation. Why fix it?
I am beginning to hate XP too and feel it is downright dangerous to use it on the web. Especially if you use Java and flash 9 with 40+ exploits. No firefox wont save you on such a circumstance. Different scenario than your PDPs but clueless users dont see it that way. All they know is that state of the art website looks like crap without rounded corners and they keep getting infected. Therefore YOU suck
Not to you, but to everyone else. There is a reason all the laptop manufacturers downgraded to 1366 x 768. CHEAP!!
Dell does not have the economies of scale required to make a decent screen in a laptop just for you. HP, Toshiba, and others love cheap and use the same parts etc. By using all the same parts they get even cheaper for everyone and is not integrated into the supply chain.
Using what 95% of people use is what you have to deal with. Most screen resolutions are still 1024 x 768 with 1366 x 768 just starting to approach it last time I checked at g.statcounter.com. So the web is highly optimized for those low settings as people hate upgrading monitors.
I can't think who else would use Linux but developers? The 2 markets are servers and developers who write server software and computer science students. Seems accurate for Dell to target that market as your mother wouldn't use Ubuntu for serious use.
It moved fast in the 1990s and stalled when Microsoft won browser wars 1.0. Today we have not just desktop browsers, but tablets, phones, and other devices with Webkit potentially become the next IE 6 of this decade.
Browsers get updated every 6 weeks and even IE is going to get an annual update. True, many corporations will stick with IE 8 and XP if not IE 6 until 2014, but the web will leave them behind as soon as IE 8 and earlier get less than 5% marketshare. According to g.statcounter.com IE 8 is already around 14% on the weekends since MS automatically upgrades IE.
The standards groups need to move on before we have another nightmare of proprietary standards again. Apple and Google would love to have the web only work in their browsers and have a vested interest in a slow process unfortunately.
Don't use CSS 3. IE 9 is not IE 6. It doesn't do things its own way and IE 9 was released when Firefox 3.6 was out and is over a year old so logically it doesn't support all of CSS 3 yet, as other webkit browsers support CSS 3 in their own prefixed way. It is not like MS is the one who is trying to be proprietary as yourself and many others are advocating.
There are too many older browsers out there to use that anyway and the mobile experience is going to be the best as a result. IE 7 and FF 3.5 is still standard in the Office until 2014 thanks to the beancounters who are putting the brakes on upgrading to boast the share price. Using CSS 2.1 and HTML 4 is the most logical thing to do for now.
Java can't be updated at work where it is still used.
As a personal user I have not used it since 2002 on the web. Many sites like ADP for HR processing and banks all use java to move money around similar to activeX controls for corporate users. Many have strange rules like not java 1.4, 1.4.1 or 1.4.3, but only 1.4.2 etc. PS that is over 6 years OLD!
My other post basically says your IT department is incompetent if it allows IE to use Java over the web outside of intranet and trusted zones for only a handful of sites.
Old, unupdated software should not be on the web! Hell, even Windows 7 has 160 updates from my OEM disk which is a stock 2009 version of Windows 7 to today before that and Office is up to speed. Many corporations refuse updates as they must fill out paperwork and test it for each release etc.
It is a terrible mess and certain software requires Windows XP/IE 6 to be locked at updates up to April 16th 2007 on Tuesday and no more or the software is not supported. Hey the CIO so that POS in a magazine on his flight to Rome! It can't suck...
Enough ranting but that is my point. Most people get infected through a rogue ad in flash or java with old obsolete operating systems, ad-ons, or retarded IT policies I outlined above. Windows 8 takes care of this automatically and IWndowsRT wont have compatibility issues with security fixes thank GOD.
The only way the beancounters will allow sanity is to have things break. Corporations are happy using that frozen IE 6 no update after 2007 because it would cost money to have staff test and do more than put out fires and upgrade. Java is part of that mess with intranet apps that only output IE 6 HTML and a whole lot of other nasty things. Disabling port 80 on XP would be great!2
They robbed me of thousands of dollars. My exwife was 1 day late with a payment and my interest went up to 38%! The second mistake I made with them was a line of credit where I had a guaranteed paycheck waiting but needed money for Christmas. They looked me in the eye as I probbed them for a gotcha. They assured me the 50% interest was only if I did not pay for 1 month. It was literally free!! Hmm...
I went in 2 weeks later with a check to pay it and they informed I COULD NOT PAY IT! I had to pay all of my exwife's credit bills first. It took 2 years to pay those at 38% interest and 50% more interest on the cash advanced over 2 years created $10,000 of interest fees for $700. MAY THEY BURN IN HELL.
I dumped the wife.:-)
Still, I was not responsible I do admit and we both lost our jobs during the financial crises when this hit and couldn't pay back easily. BOA robbed us both blind. I hate them and view them no different from the mob. I would view Oracle and Microsoft as saints compared to them. Anyway I will never use a credit card again nor a line of credit unless I have some serious cash coming in. I learned my lesson and yes it is my fault so do not blame me on this but where I am from anything above 6% is considered loan sharking. I was the cattle and they made me into their goatse guy.
It should be illegal to charge more than 10% interest. If they did this the economy would be recovering now as debt is the reason it is not recovering with 1 trillion in CCs and another trillion in student loans.... back to my point. Businesses have different portals than you and I have for lines of credit, acquisitions, and moving money around subsidaries. Java is used for these in offices.
Just explain it. He was broke and came into the business with good intentions to partner selling drugs for a one time deal and then leave after securing money so his wife and kid can keep the house after he dies. After killing someone he has great remorse and then 3 seasons later his wife is turning bad with extortions and he kills left and right without conscious as he becomes used to it. It all started as a man with a conscious who did one thing and it set his course.
No one in my opinion who is not a psychopath would willingly do bad. They do it for financial reasons and then become desensitized and their values change after they get some good money and power and grow more evil.
I am referring to corporations who still use Java. Average Joe's should disable it.
Bank of America is very nice and great to work for if you have money if you are a millionaire or a large corporation. They will rob you and I blind and treat us like cattle as they view anyone who is not wealthy a risk and a target to prey upon.
With lines of credit it is not an option to be picky if you are a business. Profits do not pay your paycheck. Its credit as cash belongs to the shareholders so it can raise the stock price which is the ultimate goal of the company. Not to make money.
What if I want something more professional than simple PHP?
I am starting a business and was planning on going to Java next year when I need scalability and would host it on Linux. My only other choice is Windows and a IIS/.NET solution and $100,000 in Microsoft licensing fees.
That is a terrible choice if you ask me. Dumping Java? What gives if the alternatives need 3x the amount of hardware and do not work as good?... and please do not tell me Mono is somehow a serious enterprise solution with no downtime.
Could IBM Java be a way out? Would Oracle go after them or me next?
Or as my other post mentioned, disable it on the browsers and keep it IE only in intranet or a custom zone with 1 or 2 websites.
Java is obsolete on the net today except for legacy ecom sites. Keep it off port 80 WWW and the issues go away. This is why firewalls exist for everything except the webserver.
Majority of crimes are committed by poor people on average. I like to think the majority of people are not evil and have some compassion and empathy. However, when I worked minimum wage at retail I had an immigrant worker explain like this, he said he likes people but if he can't feed his kids, and his wife is crying for food, he would rob me. Nothing personal as he liked me but he said people have to do what they have to do.
In a poor country like Russia and the old Soviet State people wanted out or needed money and gradually turned dark. I think no one wants to be evil but once you justify it then it becomes easier to go darker and darker and change. The hit Breaking Bad shows just that.
Actually I think legislation wouldn't be too bad for everyone... well except the beancounters.
We legislate clunkers with rags for a gas cap due to public safety. XP should have automatically disabled port 80 after its EOL. Old browsers are an issue too as well as flash and java. The issue is always costs and corporations love externalizing things on other other people like having us write IE 6 hacks in 2011 to keeping XP around and costing the insurance and banking industry money from exploits and claims.
Robbing someone is not a technical problem. The issue is no one gives a shit in Russia as the mob is good buddies with Putin and his puppets and they do whatever the hell they want. It should be a crime.
Getting rid of obsolete platforms to the internet would great help and so would prosecution.
It is not insecure at all. Perfect solution is here! Many IT departments are lazy, overworked, or are incompetent to the point that they have no clue old java is bad. Here is a way to never get hacked by java exploits again
Steps: 1. Only use IE and setup zones with a group policy. I know the Internet Explorer haters will want to mod me down faster than goatse but there is a good reason in my other steps if you read 2 $& 3 before modding me down. 2. Disable Java on the internet zone and enable only in the intranet and custom zones. 3. Add Bank of America, Royal Canada, ADP, etc, and other financial institutions or HR processing sites that require ancient java and probably IE 6 & 7 to the custom zone for java.
Optional 4. If the browser requirement sucks use Chrome for regular browsing that has GPO and doesn't support java at all. Or have IT put a script for FireFox that has java disabled by default if you have a really old version of IE that can't be updated. IE 9 is decent and modern and IE 8 is ok. It is only IE 6 that sucks and if your employer uses that then BOY Java is the last of your security problems.
Done. Java no longer a security threat. The last time I used java was in 2001 for some java chatrooms. I have never seen it in action besides for a few JavaFX demos on Sun's old website. No one needs at besides corporate intranet/banking websites.
I use Java unfortunately as I love Netbeans as a GUI and recommend it to slashdotters. I also have the Android SDK with Eclipse and I just do not have it in my browser on purpose. Java was so awesome 10 years ago and bad management ruined it and pains me to even write such a post. With proper IT procedures you can still use the older stuff fine and every single client site I have been to does not do this and it boggles my mind.
LGPL is more friendly because you can link to code and apis without the license applying to their own code.
Many corporations have anti gnu policies for that reason. LGPl gets around that. I wish more code on sourceforge had it as many developers are not aware of that issue.
So the judge's logic then is yes they are copyrightable. Why else would he say that?
In a murder trial the judge has to decide if the evidence is sufficient enough to proceed with a jury and then a verdict. You do not find someone guilty and then decide if it was a murder.
This stupid thing from last week is now the latest +5 rage. The court system works the other way around. The judge agrees syntax is copyright infringement or he would tell Oracle to shove it and focus just on the patents. In essence he biased the jury if he didn't believe so otherwise.
Common sense. Juries do not deliberate on something if the judge doesn't know if a crime has occurred is ridiculous.
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.NET and the win32 api is the tie in. MS was just nice to invent a MSIL so other languages can use it with a .NET api as a wrapper layer for the internal COM/win32 api.
Java is tie in too with its own api. Its just that platform runs inside others but its hard to leave it.
I do wonder what would of happened if Gore were elected and split up MS into 3 distinct corporations. .NET would not be tied to Windows as much as it now is and we might of had the whole .NET api and VS for the Mac and Linux. That would have been interesting. Perhaps Gnome 3 would be .NET based instead in that alternative universe? Since Java is as good as dead now thanks to the mismanagement of Sun and now the evil of Oracle it really blows. That leaves C#.net for enterprise web apps and portals unfortunately.
Objective-C like mono is free. You can write linux apps with it. However the real api's are made for Apple just like C#.net.
IE 9 was made in 2010 so its a fair comparison.
IE 10 should be compared to web browsers today.
If your labor is greater than the 50k cost I would say it was a rip off and a bad investment. Alpha is dead and Itanium is dying with HP being fickle with intel and Oracle killing it the risk is huge!
A wiser investment would be to write it for Linux or Windows new if your plucking down cash. They wont be going anywhere for a long time. Who the knows whays gping to happen to vms.
CEOs have stated CIOs do not understand business and see shit only as costs with no value. Like cars and equipment its a better ROI to EOL.
Which is the problem of having IT as a cost center and viewed as no business value and an uneccesary expense by the CPAs who moved into managment.
Its an investment that can save money.
Replace PDP with IE 6 and your opinion changes drastically if you design sites where the client feels its easy to view the same site on his IPAd as his w2k workstation. Why fix it?
I am beginning to hate XP too and feel it is downright dangerous to use it on the web. Especially if you use Java and flash 9 with 40+ exploits. No firefox wont save you on such a circumstance. Different scenario than your PDPs but clueless users dont see it that way. All they know is that state of the art website looks like crap without rounded corners and they keep getting infected. Therefore YOU suck
... but shouldn't the person who actually committed the dishonesty be shown the door?
Oh thats right. He is the CEO!
Or have employers that demand experience with Dreamweaver and Photoshop
You have to consider cost.
Not to you, but to everyone else. There is a reason all the laptop manufacturers downgraded to 1366 x 768. CHEAP!!
Dell does not have the economies of scale required to make a decent screen in a laptop just for you. HP, Toshiba, and others love cheap and use the same parts etc. By using all the same parts they get even cheaper for everyone and is not integrated into the supply chain.
Using what 95% of people use is what you have to deal with. Most screen resolutions are still 1024 x 768 with 1366 x 768 just starting to approach it last time I checked at g.statcounter.com. So the web is highly optimized for those low settings as people hate upgrading monitors.
I can't think who else would use Linux but developers? The 2 markets are servers and developers who write server software and computer science students. Seems accurate for Dell to target that market as your mother wouldn't use Ubuntu for serious use.
The world is changing again.
It moved fast in the 1990s and stalled when Microsoft won browser wars 1.0. Today we have not just desktop browsers, but tablets, phones, and other devices with Webkit potentially become the next IE 6 of this decade.
Browsers get updated every 6 weeks and even IE is going to get an annual update. True, many corporations will stick with IE 8 and XP if not IE 6 until 2014, but the web will leave them behind as soon as IE 8 and earlier get less than 5% marketshare. According to g.statcounter.com IE 8 is already around 14% on the weekends since MS automatically upgrades IE.
The standards groups need to move on before we have another nightmare of proprietary standards again. Apple and Google would love to have the web only work in their browsers and have a vested interest in a slow process unfortunately.
Don't use CSS 3. IE 9 is not IE 6. It doesn't do things its own way and IE 9 was released when Firefox 3.6 was out and is over a year old so logically it doesn't support all of CSS 3 yet, as other webkit browsers support CSS 3 in their own prefixed way. It is not like MS is the one who is trying to be proprietary as yourself and many others are advocating.
There are too many older browsers out there to use that anyway and the mobile experience is going to be the best as a result. IE 7 and FF 3.5 is still standard in the Office until 2014 thanks to the beancounters who are putting the brakes on upgrading to boast the share price. Using CSS 2.1 and HTML 4 is the most logical thing to do for now.
Java can't be updated at work where it is still used.
As a personal user I have not used it since 2002 on the web. Many sites like ADP for HR processing and banks all use java to move money around similar to activeX controls for corporate users. Many have strange rules like not java 1.4, 1.4.1 or 1.4.3, but only 1.4.2 etc. PS that is over 6 years OLD!
My other post basically says your IT department is incompetent if it allows IE to use Java over the web outside of intranet and trusted zones for only a handful of sites.
Old, unupdated software should not be on the web! Hell, even Windows 7 has 160 updates from my OEM disk which is a stock 2009 version of Windows 7 to today before that and Office is up to speed. Many corporations refuse updates as they must fill out paperwork and test it for each release etc.
It is a terrible mess and certain software requires Windows XP/IE 6 to be locked at updates up to April 16th 2007 on Tuesday and no more or the software is not supported. Hey the CIO so that POS in a magazine on his flight to Rome! It can't suck ...
Enough ranting but that is my point. Most people get infected through a rogue ad in flash or java with old obsolete operating systems, ad-ons, or retarded IT policies I outlined above. Windows 8 takes care of this automatically and IWndowsRT wont have compatibility issues with security fixes thank GOD.
The only way the beancounters will allow sanity is to have things break. Corporations are happy using that frozen IE 6 no update after 2007 because it would cost money to have staff test and do more than put out fires and upgrade. Java is part of that mess with intranet apps that only output IE 6 HTML and a whole lot of other nasty things. Disabling port 80 on XP would be great!2
They robbed me of thousands of dollars. My exwife was 1 day late with a payment and my interest went up to 38%! The second mistake I made with them was a line of credit where I had a guaranteed paycheck waiting but needed money for Christmas. They looked me in the eye as I probbed them for a gotcha. They assured me the 50% interest was only if I did not pay for 1 month. It was literally free!! Hmm ...
I went in 2 weeks later with a check to pay it and they informed I COULD NOT PAY IT! I had to pay all of my exwife's credit bills first. It took 2 years to pay those at 38% interest and 50% more interest on the cash advanced over 2 years created $10,000 of interest fees for $700. MAY THEY BURN IN HELL.
I dumped the wife. :-)
Still, I was not responsible I do admit and we both lost our jobs during the financial crises when this hit and couldn't pay back easily. BOA robbed us both blind. I hate them and view them no different from the mob. I would view Oracle and Microsoft as saints compared to them. Anyway I will never use a credit card again nor a line of credit unless I have some serious cash coming in. I learned my lesson and yes it is my fault so do not blame me on this but where I am from anything above 6% is considered loan sharking. I was the cattle and they made me into their goatse guy.
It should be illegal to charge more than 10% interest. If they did this the economy would be recovering now as debt is the reason it is not recovering with 1 trillion in CCs and another trillion in student loans. ... back to my point. Businesses have different portals than you and I have for lines of credit, acquisitions, and moving money around subsidaries. Java is used for these in offices.
I do not condone it.
Just explain it. He was broke and came into the business with good intentions to partner selling drugs for a one time deal and then leave after securing money so his wife and kid can keep the house after he dies. After killing someone he has great remorse and then 3 seasons later his wife is turning bad with extortions and he kills left and right without conscious as he becomes used to it. It all started as a man with a conscious who did one thing and it set his course.
No one in my opinion who is not a psychopath would willingly do bad. They do it for financial reasons and then become desensitized and their values change after they get some good money and power and grow more evil.
I am referring to corporations who still use Java. Average Joe's should disable it.
Bank of America is very nice and great to work for if you have money if you are a millionaire or a large corporation. They will rob you and I blind and treat us like cattle as they view anyone who is not wealthy a risk and a target to prey upon.
With lines of credit it is not an option to be picky if you are a business. Profits do not pay your paycheck. Its credit as cash belongs to the shareholders so it can raise the stock price which is the ultimate goal of the company. Not to make money.
What if I want something more professional than simple PHP?
I am starting a business and was planning on going to Java next year when I need scalability and would host it on Linux. My only other choice is Windows and a IIS/.NET solution and $100,000 in Microsoft licensing fees.
That is a terrible choice if you ask me. Dumping Java? What gives if the alternatives need 3x the amount of hardware and do not work as good? ... and please do not tell me Mono is somehow a serious enterprise solution with no downtime.
Could IBM Java be a way out? Would Oracle go after them or me next?
Or as my other post mentioned, disable it on the browsers and keep it IE only in intranet or a custom zone with 1 or 2 websites.
Java is obsolete on the net today except for legacy ecom sites. Keep it off port 80 WWW and the issues go away. This is why firewalls exist for everything except the webserver.
Majority of crimes are committed by poor people on average. I like to think the majority of people are not evil and have some compassion and empathy. However, when I worked minimum wage at retail I had an immigrant worker explain like this, he said he likes people but if he can't feed his kids, and his wife is crying for food, he would rob me. Nothing personal as he liked me but he said people have to do what they have to do.
In a poor country like Russia and the old Soviet State people wanted out or needed money and gradually turned dark. I think no one wants to be evil but once you justify it then it becomes easier to go darker and darker and change. The hit Breaking Bad shows just that.
Actually I think legislation wouldn't be too bad for everyone ... well except the beancounters.
We legislate clunkers with rags for a gas cap due to public safety. XP should have automatically disabled port 80 after its EOL. Old browsers are an issue too as well as flash and java. The issue is always costs and corporations love externalizing things on other other people like having us write IE 6 hacks in 2011 to keeping XP around and costing the insurance and banking industry money from exploits and claims.
Robbing someone is not a technical problem. The issue is no one gives a shit in Russia as the mob is good buddies with Putin and his puppets and they do whatever the hell they want. It should be a crime.
Getting rid of obsolete platforms to the internet would great help and so would prosecution.
It is not insecure at all. Perfect solution is here! Many IT departments are lazy, overworked, or are incompetent to the point that they have no clue old java is bad. Here is a way to never get hacked by java exploits again
Steps:
1. Only use IE and setup zones with a group policy. I know the Internet Explorer haters will want to mod me down faster than goatse but there is a good reason in my other steps if you read 2 $& 3 before modding me down.
2. Disable Java on the internet zone and enable only in the intranet and custom zones.
3. Add Bank of America, Royal Canada, ADP, etc, and other financial institutions or HR processing sites that require ancient java and probably IE 6 & 7 to the custom zone for java.
Optional
4. If the browser requirement sucks use Chrome for regular browsing that has GPO and doesn't support java at all. Or have IT put a script for FireFox that has java disabled by default if you have a really old version of IE that can't be updated. IE 9 is decent and modern and IE 8 is ok. It is only IE 6 that sucks and if your employer uses that then BOY Java is the last of your security problems.
Done. Java no longer a security threat. The last time I used java was in 2001 for some java chatrooms. I have never seen it in action besides for a few JavaFX demos on Sun's old website. No one needs at besides corporate intranet/banking websites.
I use Java unfortunately as I love Netbeans as a GUI and recommend it to slashdotters. I also have the Android SDK with Eclipse and I just do not have it in my browser on purpose. Java was so awesome 10 years ago and bad management ruined it and pains me to even write such a post. With proper IT procedures you can still use the older stuff fine and every single client site I have been to does not do this and it boggles my mind.
Many large corps consider this a big deal and have strict policies.
LGPL is more friendly because you can link to code and apis without the license applying to their own code.
Many corporations have anti gnu policies for that reason. LGPl gets around that. I wish more code on sourceforge had it as many developers are not aware of that issue.
So the judge's logic then is yes they are copyrightable. Why else would he say that?
In a murder trial the judge has to decide if the evidence is sufficient enough to proceed with a jury and then a verdict. You do not find someone guilty and then decide if it was a murder.
This stupid thing from last week is now the latest +5 rage. The court system works the other way around. The judge agrees syntax is copyright infringement or he would tell Oracle to shove it and focus just on the patents. In essence he biased the jury if he didn't believe so otherwise.
Common sense. Juries do not deliberate on something if the judge doesn't know if a crime has occurred is ridiculous.
Linux is the number one target for serving malware ads through PHP and other flaws.
Mod parent up! There is a ton of misinformation out there that the judge would waste the jurys time then decide if there is enough evidence.
Its always the other way around