The problem is not watching the movie. Yes, DRM is here to stay regardless as Hollywood won't release media without it and that is not negotiable.
What bothers me is people changing standards at a whim to enrich corporations without the consequences. Another poster for example mentioned malware. THIS IS AWESOME FOR RANSOMWARE. No Anti virus product in the world can scan for it as the DRM protects it's contents from being viewed or scanned.
You just go to pornhub.com or xhamster and an infected h.264 codec with executable code embedded in runs on unchecked as your systems security is prevented from stopping it by DRM.
New Malware can use HTML 5 with EME embedded in for the payload and won't be able to be stopped or scanned or researched either. A nightmare is an understatement. What's next? Facebook might use EME version 2 which bans 'view page source' to protect it's intellectual copyright. Javascript will be undebugable next. More malware can come in as a result and people will not know how the web works anymore as you can't debug or view javascript or HTML 5 anymore.
Any corporation can come in and buy it's seat and voting right to protect it's self interests of more profit without consideration from anyone else.
I like the Control ALT DELETE in this instance due to security.
Alot of evil programs could PRETEND to be the userlogin prompt in order to gain usernames and password. But something like Control Alt Delete is so fundamental and disruptive that it makes it difficult if not impossible to hack short of running the OS in a VM.
The NT prompt requiring control alt delete was intentional for this reason when it was designed.
Then what's all this talk about HEVC? I know it takes alot more time to encode and isn't YMMV another standard for webcams. I assumed Apple invented it to sell more Macs. It is silly people are buing 16 core AMD Threadrippers and Xeons to encode 4K
How can Visual Studio be the best IDE for Ubuntu if both it and its defining.NET Framework can only be natively installed on Windows?! I guess that this refers to Visual Studio Code, an enhanced code editor which has little to do with Visual Studio. Apparently, the best Linux alternative for Visual Studio is MonoDevelop.
Electron based editors are all the rage now and can do alot of MonoDevelop and more. Atom.io, Microsoft Visual Studio Code (ironically), and I think Brackets as well. True the real Visual Studio has tools for groupware and advanced testing but Atom.IO has A TON of add-ons that do so so much. Web developers will not touch something like VS 2017 or Monodevelop after using one of the 3 above or Sublime.
What self-respecting *Nix user uses Chromium based anything?
The official client for Skype uses Electron, which is Chrome hardcoded to visit one website. So does the official client for Discord.
"Then just use the web-based client in Firefox instead." Web-based clients either are missing features or make them Chrome-only. Skype for Web running in Firefox for Linux is missing voice and video chat; the Call button is grayed out. Discord for Web running in Firefox doesn't allow uploading emoji images to your own server or to other servers where your account has the permission. Firefox users can rename or delete emojis; they just can't upload new ones. Firefox users can upload attachments, but not emojis. Uploading emojis to Discord in Firefox worked until May 23, 2017, when the server settings user interface was redesigned.
Shit what self respecting geek who codes still uses VIm or Emacs when Chromium based Electron editors exist like ATOM.IO, Microsoft Code, Adobe Brackets, and a few others.
Clearly no one from Slashdot voted for that as it's made by Microsoft.
Well there is Visual Studio Code for Linux. I just installed it on Ubuntu and Fedora VM's right before I went onto slashdot.:-)
What I would like to see for me to use Linux again as my host OS is to get rid of Gnome, SystemD, and work on Mate (very outdated now) and redo it. Even Microsoft realized no one wanted a cell phone on their desktop and came out with Windows 10. Maybe a gnome 4 with an gnome 2.6 like UI but more modern and flat looking with a taskbar like some of add-ons and a Windows 10/Launcher (macOSX) like viewer for people who LOVE typing a name of a file or program from Gnome 3. Put effects back in.
This would be the best of both worlds similiar to Apple and Windows 10 and still give the flexibility of type searches.
For apps: -get rid of Firefox and put Chome (Firefox for Linux sucks goatballs. Firefox just now misrendered websites in Fedora 26 where Chrome worked perfect) - replace vim or at least add ATOM.IO and Microsoft Code as well. Emacs and Vim are pretty outdated today - Add KVM and VirtualBox. In 2017 people want to virtualize stuff. Especially geeks who use Ubuntu
I thought Mozilla had to use a binary blob that only works on Windows or some other nonsense since EME forbids opensource due to patents and licensing agreements?
60% is a majority. It's hard to call it a consensus, especially when those opposed are VERY opposed. If you are disregarding the degree of that opposition- not looking at the general opinion, but the most common one- then it's a majority decision, not a consensus.
THe problem is whoever has enough money can buy their way hence have a voting right. This means Adobe, Apple, and Microsoft who all sell DRM creation tools and platform tie ins. This means newer codecs which means newer versions of Adobe products, more cpu/gpu power, and newer PC and Mac sales. Of course older phones and tablets won't support the newer codecs so this means users have to throw them away and repurchase again... wahoo more money now for Google as well in addition to Apple!
Since now the purpose of W3C is to make money off of people for corporations what is the next step?
In this day and age only webkit really matters when it comes to standards. Why don't we focus on that as W3C is irrelevant at this point and has been for a very long time now
I hated them because Windows 98/DOS were terrible and I remember as child doing hacks with memaker with expanded vs extended ram while Mac users didn't ahve this problem. My father talked about OS/2 and Unix from work that didn't have these laughable problems.
Linux in 1999 had incredible software while Visualc++ boxed learning edition was crippled for games. Linux had non crippled GCC and you could hack to the nth degree.
I realized the only reason MS was in business was their shady business practices and idiot managers who never got fired for buying IBM as DOS and even worse Windows 3.1 was awefull.
But they changed and Linux regressed majorly on the desktop and I grew up and realized they make awesome business and development software. I use what is the best for what needs to be done. I realize that was a very very long time ago and as the way I see it nothing beats Windows for desktop stuff in 2017.
Wake me up when the LS command can show hidden files and folders without crazy hacks that go away after you restart the terminal program.
ls -a shows hidden files and folders, WTF are you smoking?
No not Mac permissions. If Office ever borks ls -a won't show the hidden container folders in the profile. With Linux you do not have these problems as Apple always knows whats best and tries to hide things. Not even Windows does this.
Wake me up when the LS command can show hidden files and folders without crazy hacks that go away after you restart the terminal program. Does Apple have a native package installer? How about init? Inet last I looked had a program called netinfo that rewritten everything in a gui which violates the spirit of Unix.
All MacOSX is is a dumbed down GUI on top of a Mac kernel. It is not Unix like in spirit more than SystemD is. Infact, Apple was the first to make it fashionable to ban init. Solaris and now Linux followed suite with SystemD but hey its popular because it's not Windows. In Unix everything is a text file so you can use the terminal tools. Not so in MacOSX.
With Windows ( ugh) I can at least enable the Hyper-V role, use PowerShell, install WSL Ubuntu, and even run the win32 version of LAMP.. I know some people can run mysql under MacOSX but is it easy to install? With Windows I have visual studio community edition for free. Is the XCode free? Apple got rid of CUPS, Samba or rather a strange proprietary fork of Samba, Apache, and other standards they cancelled or subverted.
Not to mention everything is cheap glued in and obsolete for an expensive price. This guy I linked was a former Apple fanboy as shown. There is no logical reason to use Macs.
I have seen your post got marked down -2 in the last 24 hours. You know oddly I find slashdot and it's anti slashdot cousin www.neowin.net so biased. I tend to now go here and then go to www.neowin.net. to see the same arguments in reverse.
Sadly neowin.net the folks are not afraid of change and laughed at those clinging to XP while slashdot rated them +5. The anti MS hate here sounds as silly as railing against Linux because IBM mainframes are the doom of us all if we let IBM have it's ways. We need MS to liberate us to protect us from them etc. That would sound weird in 2017. Yet, those who have not touched Windows since Windows 98SE which was DOS based I may add think Windows is just as unstable as 20 years ago and you are an idiot or work for Microsoft if you disagree.
I think those who were 25 in 1999 when slashdot.org was hip are 40+ today and stuck in their ways living in the past. I wouldn't bother with some of them.
You know I was a MS hater too at one time hence my name and would love an alternative reality where Steve Jobs won back in 1999.... today that thought scares the shit out of me! Any company including the once loved Apple which was open in hardware and standards became evil once they had control including what they are today. Microsoft seems tame compared to Apple today or IBM of long ago. They are companies and without competition of course they will be evil as that is their job to the shareholders.
Incorrect. Windows has a VMS security system with tokens since NT evolved from VMS. Unlike Unix a user is not really admin under Windows but rather requests a token to perform and admin task from ACL access control lists
WSL doesn't do shortcuts. The NT kernel was designed by David Cutler to be as portable as possible and uses a HAL hardware access layer. 32 bit tasks run on a wow layer win64 on Win32 to the kernel below. WSL is another layer on the kernel just like native.exes.
MS has backed up it's words with c#,.net core, Microsoft code editor, SQL server, and Git VFS all ported to Linux. Also Ubuntu for Windows 10 is coming along nicely as well.
Competition is good and since it's now the 2010s I hope most slashdoters realize as Microsoft's new CEO realized. That the 1990s are over.
I feel MS is really worried about losing web developers which explains Ubuntu for Windows as well as Android emulators and Python into VS 2017 (no folks you did not misread that.)
Right they fail to see how the gray Windows 95 GUI was the best overall!
They said it lacks interactivity and is dull. The Windows 10 tiles and phone widgets get up to date mail, news, etc. You do not even need to open them. All the old peopl (I am 40 I may add) complain about how it looks funny but can't cite an example on why it is inferior to older stuff.
Sorry, but I agree with the grandparent here on learning new things is hard on muscle memory even if it is an improvement. I heard the same people cry on losing XP when they talk about user preference stuff.
Of course. A slllooooow PC means it is time to throw it out and buy a new one. ChaCHING!
It is this attitude of them being penny wise dollar dumb why I recommend corporate clients to use Dell instead. They always cheap out on purpose or have quirks like only Sansdisk can boot from USB so we will get fed up and buy new ones all the time.
How many sites need all these things CMS provides?
Typically you use only a small subset, but the hard part is knowing what you'll need in the future. WordPress's large catalog means you are fairly likely to find a plugin close to new feature requests. It's the network effect in action. PHB's and marketers will often see something on a trendy site and go into me-too mode.
Nope PHBs do not care beyond the next quarter and right this minute. Technical debt is not debt as IT is a cost center etc. Just whip something up quick or they will wonder why they are paying you if another guy can get the job done quicker etc. Then when they want more (most of the case not) you can worry about that problem.
I have not seen anyone say hey can you spend a full year or 6 months on the ultimate end all to be all which we will use for a decade with a long term strategy etc. HA! Most of the time there is just a business need that needs scratching for a moment.
Outside of silicon valley not everyone knows code. That is the problem. People read a book or remember doing a hello world in HTML with Netscape back in the day and assume it is easy and uncomplicated and do not understand what is at stake and how the whole computing stack from the application layer down to the network and physical work and interact. Just because some sweet.com sites work like magic means it was easy and simple to develop.
There is a market for those who buy template sites from hosts. They should stick with that if they do not know what they are doing or want to pay someone to develp and maintain.
I think it's a tradeoff. Do you need blogs, commenting, authentication, permission systems, easily updatable content by non-technical users, etc? For example, rolling your own authentication system is easy. Rolling your own that isn't vulnerable to DDOS and SQL-injection attacks is a really hard problem that people have already solved within most frameworks or CMS systems. In this case, a CMS might be worthwhile. However, ff you just need a couple of static pages that don't require regular changes, then skip it. But if the client can't be bothered to spend the money and time for regular maintenance and security patches, then they should just be directed to a WYSIWYG end-to-end system that offers the whole thing as a managed service.
There is Django and several frameworks that are easy to learn and fairly secure if you know what you are doing. How many sites need all these things CMS provides? If they do then a complex monster like SharePoint might be useful but these are small unless you work for a fortune 500 company.
The people who use Wordpress are small business owners and most customers who want something cheap to setup and forget. Wordpress is defective by design as it doesn't auto update and have all the plugins auto update and be 100% compatible with itself. The whole thing is defective by design as 75% of the people who use do not have an I.T. department unlike those who work with these monster CMS packages and even if they do have an I.T. guy or two they never will check Wordpress as the boss might be pissed if the update breaks something etc.
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The problem is not watching the movie. Yes, DRM is here to stay regardless as Hollywood won't release media without it and that is not negotiable.
What bothers me is people changing standards at a whim to enrich corporations without the consequences. Another poster for example mentioned malware. THIS IS AWESOME FOR RANSOMWARE. No Anti virus product in the world can scan for it as the DRM protects it's contents from being viewed or scanned.
You just go to pornhub.com or xhamster and an infected h.264 codec with executable code embedded in runs on unchecked as your systems security is prevented from stopping it by DRM.
New Malware can use HTML 5 with EME embedded in for the payload and won't be able to be stopped or scanned or researched either. A nightmare is an understatement. What's next? Facebook might use EME version 2 which bans 'view page source' to protect it's intellectual copyright. Javascript will be undebugable next. More malware can come in as a result and people will not know how the web works anymore as you can't debug or view javascript or HTML 5 anymore.
Any corporation can come in and buy it's seat and voting right to protect it's self interests of more profit without consideration from anyone else.
I like the Control ALT DELETE in this instance due to security.
Alot of evil programs could PRETEND to be the userlogin prompt in order to gain usernames and password. But something like Control Alt Delete is so fundamental and disruptive that it makes it difficult if not impossible to hack short of running the OS in a VM.
The NT prompt requiring control alt delete was intentional for this reason when it was designed.
Then what's all this talk about HEVC? I know it takes alot more time to encode and isn't YMMV another standard for webcams. I assumed Apple invented it to sell more Macs. It is silly people are buing 16 core AMD Threadrippers and Xeons to encode 4K
Winner:
Visual Studio
How can Visual Studio be the best IDE for Ubuntu if both it and its defining .NET Framework can only be natively installed on Windows?! I guess that this refers to Visual Studio Code, an enhanced code editor which has little to do with Visual Studio. Apparently, the best Linux alternative for Visual Studio is MonoDevelop.
Electron based editors are all the rage now and can do alot of MonoDevelop and more. Atom.io, Microsoft Visual Studio Code (ironically), and I think Brackets as well. True the real Visual Studio has tools for groupware and advanced testing but Atom.IO has A TON of add-ons that do so so much. Web developers will not touch something like VS 2017 or Monodevelop after using one of the 3 above or Sublime.
What self-respecting *Nix user uses Chromium based anything?
The official client for Skype uses Electron, which is Chrome hardcoded to visit one website. So does the official client for Discord.
"Then just use the web-based client in Firefox instead."
Web-based clients either are missing features or make them Chrome-only. Skype for Web running in Firefox for Linux is missing voice and video chat; the Call button is grayed out. Discord for Web running in Firefox doesn't allow uploading emoji images to your own server or to other servers where your account has the permission. Firefox users can rename or delete emojis; they just can't upload new ones. Firefox users can upload attachments, but not emojis. Uploading emojis to Discord in Firefox worked until May 23, 2017, when the server settings user interface was redesigned.
Shit what self respecting geek who codes still uses VIm or Emacs when Chromium based Electron editors exist like ATOM.IO, Microsoft Code, Adobe Brackets, and a few others.
Winner:
Visual Studio
Clearly no one from Slashdot voted for that as it's made by Microsoft.
Well there is Visual Studio Code for Linux. I just installed it on Ubuntu and Fedora VM's right before I went onto slashdot. :-)
What I would like to see for me to use Linux again as my host OS is to get rid of Gnome, SystemD, and work on Mate (very outdated now) and redo it. Even Microsoft realized no one wanted a cell phone on their desktop and came out with Windows 10. Maybe a gnome 4 with an gnome 2.6 like UI but more modern and flat looking with a taskbar like some of add-ons and a Windows 10/Launcher (macOSX) like viewer for people who LOVE typing a name of a file or program from Gnome 3. Put effects back in.
This would be the best of both worlds similiar to Apple and Windows 10 and still give the flexibility of type searches.
For apps:
-get rid of Firefox and put Chome (Firefox for Linux sucks goatballs. Firefox just now misrendered websites in Fedora 26 where Chrome worked perfect)
- replace vim or at least add ATOM.IO and Microsoft Code as well. Emacs and Vim are pretty outdated today
- Add KVM and VirtualBox. In 2017 people want to virtualize stuff. Especially geeks who use Ubuntu
Just my 2 cents
I thought Mozilla had to use a binary blob that only works on Windows or some other nonsense since EME forbids opensource due to patents and licensing agreements?
Is my knowledge outdated?
60% is a majority. It's hard to call it a consensus, especially when those opposed are VERY opposed. If you are disregarding the degree of that opposition- not looking at the general opinion, but the most common one- then it's a majority decision, not a consensus.
THe problem is whoever has enough money can buy their way hence have a voting right. This means Adobe, Apple, and Microsoft who all sell DRM creation tools and platform tie ins. This means newer codecs which means newer versions of Adobe products, more cpu/gpu power, and newer PC and Mac sales. Of course older phones and tablets won't support the newer codecs so this means users have to throw them away and repurchase again ... wahoo more money now for Google as well in addition to Apple!
Since now the purpose of W3C is to make money off of people for corporations what is the next step?
You mean like Whatwg? I used to ignore it as it was kind of webkit and Google oriented back in the day but that was awhile back.
In this day and age only webkit really matters when it comes to standards. Why don't we focus on that as W3C is irrelevant at this point and has been for a very long time now
I hated them because Windows 98/DOS were terrible and I remember as child doing hacks with memaker with expanded vs extended ram while Mac users didn't ahve this problem. My father talked about OS/2 and Unix from work that didn't have these laughable problems.
Linux in 1999 had incredible software while Visualc++ boxed learning edition was crippled for games. Linux had non crippled GCC and you could hack to the nth degree.
I realized the only reason MS was in business was their shady business practices and idiot managers who never got fired for buying IBM as DOS and even worse Windows 3.1 was awefull.
But they changed and Linux regressed majorly on the desktop and I grew up and realized they make awesome business and development software. I use what is the best for what needs to be done. I realize that was a very very long time ago and as the way I see it nothing beats Windows for desktop stuff in 2017.
ls -a shows hidden files and folders, WTF are you smoking?
No not Mac permissions. If Office ever borks ls -a won't show the hidden container folders in the profile. With Linux you do not have these problems as Apple always knows whats best and tries to hide things. Not even Windows does this.
Wake me up when the LS command can show hidden files and folders without crazy hacks that go away after you restart the terminal program. Does Apple have a native package installer? How about init? Inet last I looked had a program called netinfo that rewritten everything in a gui which violates the spirit of Unix.
All MacOSX is is a dumbed down GUI on top of a Mac kernel. It is not Unix like in spirit more than SystemD is. Infact, Apple was the first to make it fashionable to ban init. Solaris and now Linux followed suite with SystemD but hey its popular because it's not Windows. In Unix everything is a text file so you can use the terminal tools. Not so in MacOSX.
With Windows ( ugh) I can at least enable the Hyper-V role, use PowerShell, install WSL Ubuntu, and even run the win32 version of LAMP.. I know some people can run mysql under MacOSX but is it easy to install? With Windows I have visual studio community edition for free. Is the XCode free? Apple got rid of CUPS, Samba or rather a strange proprietary fork of Samba, Apache, and other standards they cancelled or subverted.
Not to mention everything is cheap glued in and obsolete for an expensive price. This guy I linked was a former Apple fanboy as shown. There is no logical reason to use Macs.
I have seen your post got marked down -2 in the last 24 hours. You know oddly I find slashdot and it's anti slashdot cousin www.neowin.net so biased. I tend to now go here and then go to www.neowin.net. to see the same arguments in reverse.
Sadly neowin.net the folks are not afraid of change and laughed at those clinging to XP while slashdot rated them +5. The anti MS hate here sounds as silly as railing against Linux because IBM mainframes are the doom of us all if we let IBM have it's ways. We need MS to liberate us to protect us from them etc. That would sound weird in 2017. Yet, those who have not touched Windows since Windows 98SE which was DOS based I may add think Windows is just as unstable as 20 years ago and you are an idiot or work for Microsoft if you disagree.
I think those who were 25 in 1999 when slashdot.org was hip are 40+ today and stuck in their ways living in the past. I wouldn't bother with some of them.
You know I was a MS hater too at one time hence my name and would love an alternative reality where Steve Jobs won back in 1999 .... today that thought scares the shit out of me! Any company including the once loved Apple which was open in hardware and standards became evil once they had control including what they are today. Microsoft seems tame compared to Apple today or IBM of long ago. They are companies and without competition of course they will be evil as that is their job to the shareholders.
Apple should be the last platform a tech user should use. It seems the only reason people use it is because people hate Microsoft.
Incorrect. Windows has a VMS security system with tokens since NT evolved from VMS. Unlike Unix a user is not really admin under Windows but rather requests a token to perform and admin task from ACL access control lists
WSL doesn't do shortcuts. The NT kernel was designed by David Cutler to be as portable as possible and uses a HAL hardware access layer. 32 bit tasks run on a wow layer win64 on Win32 to the kernel below. WSL is another layer on the kernel just like native .exes.
Yes. The upcoming release of Windows Server 2016 will come with containers for Redhat support using docker. Redhat and Microsoft have a partnership
MS has backed up it's words with c#, .net core, Microsoft code editor, SQL server, and Git VFS all ported to Linux. Also Ubuntu for Windows 10 is coming along nicely as well.
Competition is good and since it's now the 2010s I hope most slashdoters realize as Microsoft's new CEO realized. That the 1990s are over.
I feel MS is really worried about losing web developers which explains Ubuntu for Windows as well as Android emulators and Python into VS 2017 (no folks you did not misread that.)
Time will tell
Right they fail to see how the gray Windows 95 GUI was the best overall!
They said it lacks interactivity and is dull. The Windows 10 tiles and phone widgets get up to date mail, news, etc. You do not even need to open them. All the old peopl (I am 40 I may add) complain about how it looks funny but can't cite an example on why it is inferior to older stuff.
Sorry, but I agree with the grandparent here on learning new things is hard on muscle memory even if it is an improvement. I heard the same people cry on losing XP when they talk about user preference stuff.
Of course. A slllooooow PC means it is time to throw it out and buy a new one. ChaCHING!
It is this attitude of them being penny wise dollar dumb why I recommend corporate clients to use Dell instead. They always cheap out on purpose or have quirks like only Sansdisk can boot from USB so we will get fed up and buy new ones all the time.
For corporate environments it will NEVER go away. We have training videos for new hires and they are all flash based
Of course they do. What? You think you are the consumer? Ha, you are the product! Nothing is ever free whether it is Chrome or Windows 10.
Unless you want to pay money in this case for Apple products you are going to get shafted.
Typically you use only a small subset, but the hard part is knowing what you'll need in the future. WordPress's large catalog means you are fairly likely to find a plugin close to new feature requests. It's the network effect in action. PHB's and marketers will often see something on a trendy site and go into me-too mode.
Nope PHBs do not care beyond the next quarter and right this minute. Technical debt is not debt as IT is a cost center etc. Just whip something up quick or they will wonder why they are paying you if another guy can get the job done quicker etc. Then when they want more (most of the case not) you can worry about that problem.
I have not seen anyone say hey can you spend a full year or 6 months on the ultimate end all to be all which we will use for a decade with a long term strategy etc. HA! Most of the time there is just a business need that needs scratching for a moment.
Perhaps that is my experience.
Outside of silicon valley not everyone knows code. That is the problem. People read a book or remember doing a hello world in HTML with Netscape back in the day and assume it is easy and uncomplicated and do not understand what is at stake and how the whole computing stack from the application layer down to the network and physical work and interact. Just because some sweet .com sites work like magic means it was easy and simple to develop.
There is a market for those who buy template sites from hosts. They should stick with that if they do not know what they are doing or want to pay someone to develp and maintain.
I think it's a tradeoff. Do you need blogs, commenting, authentication, permission systems, easily updatable content by non-technical users, etc? For example, rolling your own authentication system is easy. Rolling your own that isn't vulnerable to DDOS and SQL-injection attacks is a really hard problem that people have already solved within most frameworks or CMS systems. In this case, a CMS might be worthwhile. However, ff you just need a couple of static pages that don't require regular changes, then skip it. But if the client can't be bothered to spend the money and time for regular maintenance and security patches, then they should just be directed to a WYSIWYG end-to-end system that offers the whole thing as a managed service.
There is Django and several frameworks that are easy to learn and fairly secure if you know what you are doing. How many sites need all these things CMS provides? If they do then a complex monster like SharePoint might be useful but these are small unless you work for a fortune 500 company.
The people who use Wordpress are small business owners and most customers who want something cheap to setup and forget. Wordpress is defective by design as it doesn't auto update and have all the plugins auto update and be 100% compatible with itself. The whole thing is defective by design as 75% of the people who use do not have an I.T. department unlike those who work with these monster CMS packages and even if they do have an I.T. guy or two they never will check Wordpress as the boss might be pissed if the update breaks something etc.