You may want to go do a search for the Unix Haters manual on Google? The introduction it mentioned how writing scripts corrupts minds forever in the unix world when they think its a normal act, like a child in a third world country thinks being covered in flies is part of the natural condition.
The idea of writing a script in the first place is proposterious for a home pc for grandma. Its not like we are at work being in charge of a server processing thousands of users. It proves the other poster right about ease of use and why under windows you just stick the cdrom in and point and click. After all your dvd player works this way easy enough right?
You need to download the SDK for documentation. There is none by default. What I have seen is the 1.x version of Uno and its the most complicated thing I have ever seen.
I have used openoffice beta for a month now without a single crash. Although I admit I do not use it heavily.
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I would be skeptical of most OSS products being released early with bugs. With Sun doing QA this should not be a problem hopefully. QA is a real problem in many opensorce apps that I have noticed core dump alot on.0 versions. I do not think its a coincidence.
I thought the freedom of speech guaranteed to all Americans under the constition was for everyone and not just journalists.
Is it really a crime to say something? What if the president did something or said something that he is embarrased of? Could he declare it "secretative" and punish those who talk about it?
I am agaisnt people releasing secrets that the general population should not know for our security, but government officials should have provided the proper safe guards to prevent the leak in the first place. Not prosecute a citizen for disclosing something that they should have not heard or seen.
Is it moral or ethical to profit from others peoples misseries?
I just wiped off a rootkit from my system. There was no removal program that could delete it and it liked to hang out at the MBR of my drive. I reformatted my disk and lost 6 years worth of data. For those who say I should have backed everything up, I will say I can not afford a nice tape drive and a scsi card since its a home system. So I am hosed.
My rootkit got installed from a video file that used a buffer overflow to install itself. No EULA or anything. I have no clue if it was a worm or spyware but my point is many Spyware makers are no going as far as installing rootkits and hiding in the MBR so a system restore by the manufactor wont fix it. I mean CHRIST how far is this going to go?
My last job was at an AOL call center and I heard people cry and moan why their pc's slowed down with popup ads and I am powerless to say anythign besides our own anti-spyware programs. I have seen full windows restores that do not wipe these things yet for liablity can not say do fdisk/mbr as I could lose my job.
Its a serious problem and removing spyware is not very profit oriented when you are graded on how many systems you do an hour. Especially an unresponsive system which takes 40 minutes to install adaware. Not all of us have the luxury of charging $80/hr to download adaware.
IPv6 is slightly more secure but my fear is we will have overnight spammers and phishers who will just use an IP address every 5 minutes using a godzillion proxies which will make it impossible to track down. The amount of Ip addresses could be a problem.
I would be in favor of more research sponsored by several governments with things in mind like security, DDOS attacks, a more robust way to track down DSN poisoning, more auditing support, better error correction for wifi, and better support for fiber optic backbones in addition to IP v 6.
Also I am bothered by the fact that a new pc takes only 5 minutes to be rooted and turned into a zombie. I would if another system could be used to filter out such attacks from known compromised hosts at the network level so routers can block them.
It is about taxes and money. ICANN is largely independent anyway and most root DNS servers are operated at universities and research centers. Its not like its run from the pentagon.
Personally I do not see why its a big deal but I am an American so I view it differently. The internet as it is right now is a wild place and libertarian. Things just happen. The internet should be run by a non profit charter or organization and governments should not run it. Perhaps they could work on the physical infustructure with corporations but nothing else. Maybe a treaty is needed?
I am thinking right now of the old rumors that IP addresses are running out and IPv6 needs to be implemented that was being said around 5 or 6 years ago. How would we upgrade the internet with newer protocols?
Part of me does thing more control is needed. Spyware, IP address spoofing, spamming, and fraud, are just reasons why I think some research into a second next generation internet is needed. Also I heard many fiber optic networks have troulbe with IPv4 because of the way the protocol is setup. Maybe someone could enlighten me.
There is a huge 6 year gap between the two. I could say a powerpc G5 processor is alot better than an 8086. Well of course it is. But does that mean a fast Athlon64 is slower than a G5?
By the time the 80386 came out, Motorrola had 60020's and perhaps 68030's.
PS the 68020's and I think the 68000's could run Unix because of built in memory protection and other features. Could 8088's, 8086's, 80186's or 286's do that? No I do not Consider early SCO XENIX aka Openserver a real unix with built in memory protection and primptive multitasking until well after the 386.
I do not consider myself a professional programmer, but have written code and scripts before and have seen memory leaks first hand from commercial applications. MS Office, Windows, Mozilla, and a few other aplications.
How do you know some release candidates did not have leaks in these unix os's? Also object oriented programming makes it easier to have leaks. You just cited C operating systems using functions to do a variety of tasks.
Memory leaks happen in large applications. Its a fact and skill is involved with controlling them, but still no one is perfect in a complex application being developed.
Please don't insult anyone over this as I am sure your code is not perfect either.
"maintaining cross-platform capabilities, using a variety of.NET-compatible languages.".. great! You can use Microsoft VC.NET, Microsoft C#.net, and Microsoft VB.net on any version of Microsoft windows. (Well recent)
maintaining cross-platform capabilities, using a variety of.NET-compatible languages. One of the great advantages of.NET is providing an easier migration path to Linux.. " Is the poster on crack? He might as well say ".. using a variety of MFC based languages makes targetting to Unix easy.
Why do people even bother with Mono? I know I am going to be modded as a troll but I have yet to see a single app besides a hello world being cross platform? I think the developers looking at C# and Mono in a greater light than Java are ignoring the patent and copyright issues just because C# looks cooler. Thats pretty short sighted.
C# would be the lowest ranked languaged behind visual basic if you want to avoid vender lock in.
What will happen when C# 2.0 comes out? My guess is Linux will be playing catchup again and meanwhile windows will look like a better alternative to businesses standardizing on C# because their geeks mentioned how great Mono is.
I just want to learn assembly programming and Xen looks perfect. Problem with just a single mistake is that it can freeze your whole system. With Xen I just freeze my session if I screw up some assembly code and I do not have to log in as root.
Still if you want great virtualization for free with all these things than solarisx86 or opensolaris might be your thing. Containers are really cool but I understand its not full virtualization but rather another virtualized instance of solaris. still cool though
Its in a hidden folder on the AOL cd. AOl comes with 2 or 3 players including quicktime and its own player. I am curious about the Itunes since its not installed by default. My guess is its used to play some aac files and perhaps only some of the libraries are used. But its deffinetly free on the cdrom.
I work at AOL and right now they are desperate to maintain marketshare. They lost a ton of it and wont go into details since my boss knows my ID.
AOL wants people to try out there software for free and then hope they become customers. AOL comes with a ton of products with 9.0 including Itunes, McAfee anti-virus, spyware protection,etc. My guess is perhaps they are considering adding netscape since Mozilla is progressing nicely.
AOL loves to give out free cd's and software and that is part of their business model to hook consumers in.
Actually there is a park in Chicago where its illegal to take photographs. The park and the art in the park in copyrighted, even though its tax payer funded and a private work. The artist wants to make additional royalities and has a deal with the city of Chicago to share the profits.
My phone already is locked. It runs Windows and I assume all were drmed already. I have no software because sprint wants to charge me usage fees and I already only own a right to use the phone. Not the phone itself. This is the new standard.
I am glad he left Nasa. He was the one responsible for allocating all of Nasa's resources toward mars at only $8 billion in the budget (10x was needed to actually do it. Bush did this in his re-election bid), and he decided to let the Hubble rot because an accident *might* happen. He offers critism but never any solutions.
At least the new Nasa chief fired 50 beuracrats after taking the lead.
Worse I have seen rootkits hide on MBR's so even a reformat or restore won't get rid of the spyware that cripples the system.
I know about the fdisk/mbr but I work doing tech support by phone for my isp and Dell or HP always tells them to call AOL (us) to fix the problem because its our anti-spyware program that should delete it. I could lose my job if I tell a user to type fdisk/mbr for liability reasons since its not our software. Its so fustrating and a rootkit to me qualifies as evil as putting itself in mbr section of the hard drive. You can't trust anything in a rooted system since all you see is what the spyware maker wants you to see. Obviously this is getting insane.
I am waiting for smarter rootkits that hide what tcp/ip usage to stop programs like snort from detecting itself. As it is no anti-virus program can remove a rootkit if the os lies to it.
The whole situation is a mess and 80-90% of our callers are users running spyware and wondering why their connections are so slow. Its hurting our company and the whole IT industry.
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You may want to go do a search for the Unix Haters manual on Google? The introduction it mentioned how writing scripts corrupts minds forever in the unix world when they think its a normal act, like a child in a third world country thinks being covered in flies is part of the natural condition.
The idea of writing a script in the first place is proposterious for a home pc for grandma. Its not like we are at work being in charge of a server processing thousands of users. It proves the other poster right about ease of use and why under windows you just stick the cdrom in and point and click. After all your dvd player works this way easy enough right?
You need to download the SDK for documentation. There is none by default. What I have seen is the 1.x version of Uno and its the most complicated thing I have ever seen.
Good news
.0 versions. I do not think its a coincidence.
I have used openoffice beta for a month now without a single crash. Although I admit I do not use it heavily.
Bad News
I would be skeptical of most OSS products being released early with bugs. With Sun doing QA this should not be a problem hopefully. QA is a real problem in many opensorce apps that I have noticed core dump alot on
I thought the freedom of speech guaranteed to all Americans under the constition was for everyone and not just journalists.
Is it really a crime to say something? What if the president did something or said something that he is embarrased of? Could he declare it "secretative" and punish those who talk about it?
I am agaisnt people releasing secrets that the general population should not know for our security, but government officials should have provided the proper safe guards to prevent the leak in the first place. Not prosecute a citizen for disclosing something that they should have not heard or seen.
Both of you guys show me an addordable way to store 100gigs of data and I am there.
Is it moral or ethical to profit from others peoples misseries?
/mbr as I could lose my job.
I just wiped off a rootkit from my system. There was no removal program that could delete it and it liked to hang out at the MBR of my drive. I reformatted my disk and lost 6 years worth of data. For those who say I should have backed everything up, I will say I can not afford a nice tape drive and a scsi card since its a home system. So I am hosed.
My rootkit got installed from a video file that used a buffer overflow to install itself. No EULA or anything. I have no clue if it was a worm or spyware but my point is many Spyware makers are no going as far as installing rootkits and hiding in the MBR so a system restore by the manufactor wont fix it. I mean CHRIST how far is this going to go?
My last job was at an AOL call center and I heard people cry and moan why their pc's slowed down with popup ads and I am powerless to say anythign besides our own anti-spyware programs. I have seen full windows restores that do not wipe these things yet for liablity can not say do fdisk
Its a serious problem and removing spyware is not very profit oriented when you are graded on how many systems you do an hour. Especially an unresponsive system which takes 40 minutes to install adaware. Not all of us have the luxury of charging $80/hr to download adaware.
Hang these F&*ckers indeed
IPv6 is slightly more secure but my fear is we will have overnight spammers and phishers who will just use an IP address every 5 minutes using a godzillion proxies which will make it impossible to track down. The amount of Ip addresses could be a problem.
I would be in favor of more research sponsored by several governments with things in mind like security, DDOS attacks, a more robust way to track down DSN poisoning, more auditing support, better error correction for wifi, and better support for fiber optic backbones in addition to IP v 6.
Also I am bothered by the fact that a new pc takes only 5 minutes to be rooted and turned into a zombie. I would if another system could be used to filter out such attacks from known compromised hosts at the network level so routers can block them.
I do think a newer internet would be nice.
Mod up..
It is about taxes and money. ICANN is largely independent anyway and most root DNS servers are operated at universities and research centers. Its not like its run from the pentagon.
Personally I do not see why its a big deal but I am an American so I view it differently. The internet as it is right now is a wild place and libertarian. Things just happen. The internet should be run by a non profit charter or organization and governments should not run it. Perhaps they could work on the physical infustructure with corporations but nothing else. Maybe a treaty is needed?
I am thinking right now of the old rumors that IP addresses are running out and IPv6 needs to be implemented that was being said around 5 or 6 years ago. How would we upgrade the internet with newer protocols?
Part of me does thing more control is needed. Spyware, IP address spoofing, spamming, and fraud, are just reasons why I think some research into a second next generation internet is needed. Also I heard many fiber optic networks have troulbe with IPv4 because of the way the protocol is setup. Maybe someone could enlighten me.
Get one that goes on a keychain or get an Ipod-nano. :-)
You get a nice integrated mp3 player in addition to portable storage.
There is a huge 6 year gap between the two. I could say a powerpc G5 processor is alot better than an 8086. Well of course it is. But does that mean a fast Athlon64 is slower than a G5?
By the time the 80386 came out, Motorrola had 60020's and perhaps 68030's.
PS the 68020's and I think the 68000's could run Unix because of built in memory protection and other features. Could 8088's, 8086's, 80186's or 286's do that? No I do not Consider early SCO XENIX aka Openserver a real unix with built in memory protection and primptive multitasking until well after the 386.
How rude and insulting?
I do not consider myself a professional programmer, but have written code and scripts before and have seen memory leaks first hand from commercial applications. MS Office, Windows, Mozilla, and a few other aplications.
How do you know some release candidates did not have leaks in these unix os's? Also object oriented programming makes it easier to have leaks. You just cited C operating systems using functions to do a variety of tasks.
Memory leaks happen in large applications. Its a fact and skill is involved with controlling them, but still no one is perfect in a complex application being developed.
Please don't insult anyone over this as I am sure your code is not perfect either.
Whats the problem?
You can run Mono in almost any version of Windows.
"maintaining cross-platform capabilities, using a variety of .NET-compatible languages." .. great! You can use Microsoft VC.NET, Microsoft C#.net, and Microsoft VB.net on any version of Microsoft windows. (Well recent)
.NET-compatible languages. One of the great advantages of .NET is providing an easier migration path to Linux .. " Is the poster on crack? He might as well say " .. using a variety of MFC based languages makes targetting to Unix easy.
maintaining cross-platform capabilities, using a variety of
Why do people even bother with Mono? I know I am going to be modded as a troll but I have yet to see a single app besides a hello world being cross platform? I think the developers looking at C# and Mono in a greater light than Java are ignoring the patent and copyright issues just because C# looks cooler. Thats pretty short sighted.
C# would be the lowest ranked languaged behind visual basic if you want to avoid vender lock in.
What will happen when C# 2.0 comes out? My guess is Linux will be playing catchup again and meanwhile windows will look like a better alternative to businesses standardizing on C# because their geeks mentioned how great Mono is.
Same here
/. effect on Suse's ftp site.
Anyone have another torrent they care to upload and link?
Many slashdotters including myself would appreciate it. The torrent itself is just dead because of the
I just want to learn assembly programming and Xen looks perfect. Problem with just a single mistake is that it can freeze your whole system. With Xen I just freeze my session if I screw up some assembly code and I do not have to log in as root.
Still if you want great virtualization for free with all these things than solarisx86 or opensolaris might be your thing. Containers are really cool but I understand its not full virtualization but rather another virtualized instance of solaris. still cool though
What ever happened to him?
I credit Alan for making the kernel stable during the 2.0 days and earlier. After he left Linux has gone downhill in stability. What is he up too?
I assume he was still in school.
Alan, Linux needs you. Come back
Which text editors are being used for the debate between Linux and FreeBSD? Vi or Emacs?
Its in a hidden folder on the AOL cd. AOl comes with 2 or 3 players including quicktime and its own player. I am curious about the Itunes since its not installed by default. My guess is its used to play some aac files and perhaps only some of the libraries are used. But its deffinetly free on the cdrom.
Because its the application everyone else uses.
I guess IT managers love it because its part of the standards they owe and ahh about having to support.
I work at AOL and right now they are desperate to maintain marketshare. They lost a ton of it and wont go into details since my boss knows my ID.
AOL wants people to try out there software for free and then hope they become customers. AOL comes with a ton of products with 9.0 including Itunes, McAfee anti-virus, spyware protection,etc. My guess is perhaps they are considering adding netscape since Mozilla is progressing nicely.
AOL loves to give out free cd's and software and that is part of their business model to hook consumers in.
Actually there is a park in Chicago where its illegal to take photographs. The park and the art in the park in copyrighted, even though its tax payer funded and a private work. The artist wants to make additional royalities and has a deal with the city of Chicago to share the profits.
My phone already is locked. It runs Windows and I assume all were drmed already. I have no software because sprint wants to charge me usage fees and I already only own a right to use the phone. Not the phone itself. This is the new standard.
Yes I have seen his bio
I am glad he left Nasa. He was the one responsible for allocating all of Nasa's resources toward mars at only $8 billion in the budget (10x was needed to actually do it. Bush did this in his re-election bid), and he decided to let the Hubble rot because an accident *might* happen. He offers critism but never any solutions.
At least the new Nasa chief fired 50 beuracrats after taking the lead.
Worse I have seen rootkits hide on MBR's so even a reformat or restore won't get rid of the spyware that cripples the system.
/mbr but I work doing tech support by phone for my isp and Dell or HP always tells them to call AOL (us) to fix the problem because its our anti-spyware program that should delete it. I could lose my job if I tell a user to type fdisk /mbr for liability reasons since its not our software. Its so fustrating and a rootkit to me qualifies as evil as putting itself in mbr section of the hard drive. You can't trust anything in a rooted system since all you see is what the spyware maker wants you to see. Obviously this is getting insane.
I know about the fdisk
I am waiting for smarter rootkits that hide what tcp/ip usage to stop programs like snort from detecting itself. As it is no anti-virus program can remove a rootkit if the os lies to it.
The whole situation is a mess and 80-90% of our callers are users running spyware and wondering why their connections are so slow. Its hurting our company and the whole IT industry.