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SUSE 10.0 OSS Released
O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O writes "Today, Novell released SuSE 10.0 OSS for download. Product highlights include kernel 2.6.13, gcc 4.0.2, glibc 2.3.5, improved boot times and Xen 3. Torrents are available for the i386, ppc and x86_64 versions. The downloadable OSS edition lacks some packages for licensing reasons of which some, like Java, can be installed via package repository."
With SUSE releasing one suite after another. I sometimes wonder about stability. When was 9.3 released? Wasn't it only a few months ago? I wish SUSE should find a way to follow Slackware's model of stable releases without sacrificing too much market share.
Also, the software is getting way to bloated. Why all the software packages SUSE?
I had been under the impression that SuSE had not had a ppc release in a while (since~7.2?). Glad to see they're back with it, it might just tempt me to migrate my apple-debian servers to SuSE ppc (I love SuSE's config tools).
"goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
Damnit. I just received my SuSE 9.3 Professional DVD from Novell last week and it's already outdated. I can never seem to keep up to date on software these days. :(
This space is not for rent.
Slackware 10.0 was released ages ago.
http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?re lease=421&slide=29&title=suse+linux+10.0+oss+beta+ 3+screenshots
Per subject. I've done testing at my place at work using the release candidate (we're interested in Xen3 on x86_64... once SLES10 comes out and it's fully supported, of course), and it wasn't exactly successful. It did give me a chance to file some bugs, and Novell reported one of them fixed in their bugtracker -- but I still was unable to start up a DomU.
Hopefully the release will be more effective. As for me, I'm playing with the 10.1 alpha, which I hear is what will eventually become SLES10.
I've seen it in smaller distros and I'd like to see it in bigger ones:
:).
Customized ISOs where you choose your packages THEN download the ISO.
Heck, if disk space is a problem these "ISOs" can even exist only virtually on the web server, with the "iso" being created on the fly from component files. Hmm, if there's not already a program out there to do that then I should get started writing one
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Seriously, is there any software out there that is like version 18? Well, I guess emacs is at 21....
Is there anything in particular that motivates the jump in major version, or is it just a marketing thing? I purchased 9.3 - will 10.0 bring me anything that is new and interesting, or just more recent packages of the same software? For example, exactly how is the faster boot process accomplished? Are there new configuration modules in Yast? New features in package managment? New freedesktop standards implemented, new LSB standards implemented.. what is really interesting about this release, what should make me jump to upgrade?
http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/10.0/iso/SUSE-10 .0-EvalDVD-i386-GM.iso.torrent
I have a friend who's had their Linux server running since the last blackout here, appx 10 months ago.
okay, okay... we all still have to test it. but this has good potential to become _the_ distribution. It performs we on both the server side with (with standards, service, licencing, training, certifying, oracle, etc. etc.), and on the desktop side (with loads of UI improvements, YaST, quicker booting, suspend to disk, automatic network configuring).
And it seems that also the doing well on both the corporate (Novell Desktop, SuSE entreprise) and the freesoftware side with this glorious new release.
i really whish OpenSuse the best, yet im not installing right now since 9.3 still does all i need and i have a lack of spare time already. but i will be soon!
if you are installing make shure to check out:
http://www.suseforums.net/ -- all things suse inlcuding community support, and
http://packman.links2linux.org/ -- the missing (some times not fully legal) mulitmedia packages.
g'luck,
Cies Breijs.
How safe is it to allow Suse to partition my windows SATA drive and install a dual boot config on it?
I'm always slightly scared by the message 9.3 gave saying that (essentially) it could not guarentee to safety of my data.
I believe that xen/x86_64 is work in progress (Xen FAQ). Give Novel some slack here ... The real question is how well Xen/Novel works on suse/ia32. I really like xen, the only problem is that it takes quite a while to setup right.
The Raven
This is the best news I've heard all day - I can't even get Xen 3.0 from Xen, so I guess they've thrown in TimeTravel 1.0 as well.
...frankly, with a name like that, I wouldn't be able to write much of anything.
Many Bothans died to bring you this sig.
No disrespect to O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O, but when I first glimpsed the article I thought CowboyNeal was having a heart attack. ;p
Oh crap, I'm on fire again.
YHBT, HAND.
I've been unable to run any of the latest flavors of SuSE on my Dell workstation since the (PS/2 port) keyboard is totally unresponsive when booted into Linux (works fine in Windows). Any word on whether they've solved this issue in SuSE 10? I mean, how can they screw up the driver to a PS/2 keyboard in this day and age? - Fromage
It really hard (tedious) to try to configure a new system that would be supported by the distro. The size of the list of possible hardware you might build a system from tends to get rather large and looking up each item takes a while. It makes it risky to try to build a Linux system with relatively new hardware. Build a new Linux box with multi-core processors? I think I'll wait a while until it's more likely all the chipsets will have Linux drivers by then.
omg you have to get SuSE is will make your lunix boxen teh r0x0r!!!!!eleven!!!!!one!!!
I was a on and off suse user from 7.0 to 8."something". Then I left windows and stuck with suse from 9.0 to the present. I love suse for a noob distro. I like the fact that if you want to not worry about the core workings you dont have to, or if you want to not worry but still be able to learn you can. I've gradualy learned to work in the terminal more, do alot of things in the command line, compiling my applications and even started programing my own little tools in c and c++.
I'm a whatever tool works use it kinda guy and the same applys for distros. It's good to see all linux distros being updated and offering newer and better linux experiences. It's a shame Microsoft already took the slogin "Where do you want to go today?" because thats what each new version of Suse makes me think.
anyone comment on running multiple apache instances on this suse 10.0? we're using the 9.x, and it seems that the recommendation is to just have the single apache listen on multiple ports. i'm interested in multiple instances of apache that can be restarted or at least re-read their config files w/o interrupting the other instances.
/etc/apache2. the init script references this folder. so running multiple instances just needs a new init script and a new folder with config files.
i use gentoo and i believe all the config files for an apache instance goes in
SUSE is an excellent distro (especially for newbies like myself). I dropped it starting from 9.2 though, because the package manager was astonishingly slow.
Res publica non dominetur
In related news, Red Hat released Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 4 Update 2 yesterday.
O ctober/msg00031.html
https://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-
You might want to take a look at Suse's Hardware Compatibility List http://www.opensuse.org/HCL. Still needs to be expanded, but the notebook section is already quite populated. Remember, it's a wiki, so you can easily add stuff.
Did anyone else notice other OSS software in the list that SuSE left out of the OSS version claiming that it is NOT OSS when in fact it is?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
SUSE is a decent distro, but it's a little wacky .. in a Goldmember from Austin Powers kinda way. I think it's the "Have a lot of fun!" bit. I dunno :)
http://cubemonkey.net/quotes -- fortune-mod quote generator
I tried downloading the torrents from the ftp a while back and it was bogged. I have a copy of them, if their servers get bogged down again at http://johnny.chadda.se/2005/10/06/suse-100-finall y-released/
:)
By the way, I have tried the 10.0 RC1 and it was really great. The only thing not working is my P910i sync, but I'll work on that.
lilo is version kabilion or somewhere in twenty.
22.7.1 actually.
Many of them, I think, are missing because of their dependency on (non-open-source) Java, which is not included. (In other words, Eclipse itself is OSS, but since it relies of non-OSS Java, they leave it out too.)
I have no idea about the bitstream vera fonts, though - that makes no sense to me at all, since I was sure they were distributed as open source...
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9.3 has been out forever, you troll!
Get your $sys$ camo tees now!
The intent of customized isos is for installing on machines with slow or dialup network connections.
/. disables them.
By the way, here's one way of doing such a thing, the code to back it up is left as an exercise to the reader:
http://slashdot.org/~davidwr/journal/119142
Comments to the journal welcome until
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Isn't this an expiring eval?
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. -- Author unknown
And not the eval? I can't stand having to burn and insert, take out, insert etc etc 4 or 5 CDs just to install an OS. Put the DVD in, set it up to install, go for coffee, come back, all done.
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. -- Author unknown
V10.0 should be X. But it's a Roman numeral only for that release. Then you go to letters Y and Z. If you're still in business after that, you go to Greek letters, like hurricanes. Nobody's ever made it that far.
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
I'm considering upgrading my server which is running SuSE Professional 8.2. The server has been up 793 days so far without a reboot, even though I've had runaway tasks fill up the swap and have completely changed configurations in that time. I'll play with SuSE 10 and see if it is as stable as 8.2 was (which was the most stable release I've ever worked with to date). Sadly, SuSE has dropped all their patches for 8.2, so I am rather forced to upgrade. At least it won't have the 497 day uptime kernel bug in 2.4.20 (where I must manually add 497 to the uptime counter since it rolled over).
I'm considering building a new server to replace my old one. Hopefully SuSE 10 will have addressed a few beefs I have with 9.3 (i.e. no S.M.A.R.T. support for SATA).
-Aaron
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What does the GM in the ISO names stand for?
Oh, the Devil sat ogling the whole nerdie lot;
Hackers, programmers and IT guys that ate snot.
"My oh my, how their workstations gleam,
it's time to make those miserable SOBs scream!"
So he called up his tech, a guy who chewed screws,
The tech thought and then said "I know what to do.
I'll put out a box, a whole line in fact,
That's nothing more than pure unmitigated crap."
But the marketers worried, would this thing fly?
Or would the Devil's shit simply sit and die.
"The brand name's all wrong, the logo says Hell."
"No worries," said the tech, "we'll change it to Dell."
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
What is the easiest way to download and install Linux if one is a virtual n00b such as myself? It would go on the same disk as Win XP.
Get your $sys$ camo tees now!
I wasn't able to find anything under the mirror list on the site, but if you go to http://www.opensuse.org/Mirrors_Released_Version and pick a mirror, you should be able to go to suse/[architecture]/10.0/iso and download from there.
Some of the mirrors have them and some don't.
Really admire SUSE and have used it for several years now. I only wish Novell admired the tremendous care and hard work put in by the SUSE engineers, but if you go to the front page of http://www.novell.com/ you'd be pushed to know Novell even have SUSE. This new version and the new OpenSUSE initiative are things to shout about, one might think. Sigh. Novell are their own worst enemies.
Will be installing OpenSUSE and Gnome over the weekend. From the sound of it, this new SUSE is faster than previous versions which were a bit too slow for me, and they are getting behind Gnome in a way they haven't before since they always majored on KDE and Gnome was a poor relative.
These are very exciting times for Linux considering the quality of so many distros now on offer.
Las qué passoun
tournoun pas maï
I'd recommend snagging the source of mkisofs and changing the code for the output stream to point to something apache can forward or, whip up a small web server that does nothing but handle GETs for these on-the-fly isos based on session data stored in postgres or something.
it could be called makepacheiso
ah, mod points
Google the number 49.7
One of those cases where the person could be mistaken, lying, or just mad.
If only it was possible to do psychometrics on trolls.
After that, you go to Greek letters
:)
Can't use greek letters. Who'd buy SUsE Alpha or SUsE Beta? Maybe Gamma, Delta or Epsilon. Perhaps Zeta, Hita, Theta, Iota, Kappa or Lambda.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I received my copy of SuSE 10 today but have yet to install it. One thing I noticed is that the source DVD is no longer included. Version 9.3 Professional included 5 CDs and 2 DVDs, one DVD containing the source code. Hopefully it won't require me to go to SuSE's FTP site, which has always been notoriously slow (hopefully some of the mirrors will have the source code).
As it is right now, I do not see the source code on their FTP site, nor do I see how they can fit everything for both the 32-bit and 64-bit and the source code on a single DVD unless they have cut back significantly on what's included.
The reason I'm looking for the source code is I want to see if they have added the Gentoo patch to Xorg to support the event interface for the mouse so I can take advantage of the extra buttons on my Logitech MX1000 mouse. I patched earlier versions of SuSE's X, but without the source I won't be able to do it with this version.
If I can apply this patch and if the kernel is more responsive on my Athlon64 I'll finally be able to switch my new desktop machine to my Athlon64. SuSE 9.3 tended to stutter at times when using the GUI. Also, hopefully some of the issues I've run into with V4L2 with my pcHDTV tuner card will also be addressed by the new kernel.
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Once again, the Slashdot Torrent Enhancement Subsystem takes over and makes downloading a large distro a broadband breeze.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
I am not aware of a problem after 49.7 days, but there was a bug that was fixed around 2.4.21 where the kernel uptime counter would roll over after 497 days. I can validate this since my server has been up for 793 days. When it hit 497 days, the uptime counter rolled over. The machine is running SuSE Linux Professional 8.2 with kernel 2.4.20. At first I tried to figure out why it had crashed, until going through the logs I found it didn't crash, only rolled over. Makes it a bit of a pain when I have to keep adding 497 to the uptime (which currently reports 296 days). Now you might be thinking of Windows 95 and 98, which both had a problem which caused them to possibly reboot after 49.7 days due to a similar problem (google for 49.7). Though my Windows 95 box also often stays up for much longer than that, though it is usually idle and runs no 3rd party software (it's an embedded device).
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90% is for laughs, 10% is for the good of humanity (on a tiny scale, admitedly).
mkapagresqlisofs-0.1a
/usr/lib/mkapagresqlisofs installed by default creates a bit ordering that causes a buffer-overflow with bash's and tcsh's command completion causing the shells to crash. Users of these shells should make sure they manually type in mkapagresqlisofs to make configuration changes.
--
Description: make-apache-postresql-isofs is a service that creates customized Linux distribution ISO images on the server-side after being provided input from a user from the web interface. These images are created on the fly from the distribution's original directory hierarchy that is stored in a ram disk. For more information, man(5)mkapagresqlisofs. The name comes from the fact that we combined the sources of mkisofs, Apache2, and Postresql into one monolithic application.
Known bugs: The path
Importance: Utterly Silly
Does anyone know why OpenDX is missing from the OSS version?
Windows1
Windows2
Windows3
Windows95
Windows98
Windows2000
Windows2003
Then XP
Guess Microsoft rethinks names around 2003.
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Give me LIBERTY, or give me a check.
So far all of my installations of both 9.3 and 10 have been painless. On the different machines I have installed it my Windows installations have continued working perfectly afterwards. I was a bit skeptical about letting SuSE partition and resize my NTFS volumes [to make room for SuSE] however it worked perfectly for me. Now I hardly ever use Windows, except for those few special business applications, and SuSE works like a charm.
XP came before 2003.
Actually, Emacs is at 0.21.4. At some point in the distant past, they said "ah, forget it" and dropped the leading zero.
I think Debian's taking the opposite tack where they just update the second number every few years as time permits.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Not likely, the last "Eval" version from SuSE was just the retail package minus some a few non OSS packages.
"Santa Claus has the right idea: Visit people once a year." - Victor Borge
2.6.13 sucks it is slow as all hell
Iv'e tried SuSE and other Linux distro's before, but I keep running into what is (for me) a major problem. Multi monitor support. Specifically, 2 monitors (a 17" LCD and an 19" LCD), both being driven from my nVidia 6800. In Windows, it works perfectly. I can drag my mouse/apps between both screens, and can maximise apps to one screen or the other (apps recognise that there are in fact 2 screens, and not one really wide one), and apps remember which window they were opened on previously and default back to that window. Is this possible to do in Linux w/o a major headache? /love 2 monitor's, can't go back
- "Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem"
Version 18 is nothing. I've seen versions 95, 98... And they still had a lot of problems :)
They tried naming it like that but Apple legal wasn't too happy to hear that some German open-source types were going to be releasing SuSE OS X.
Time Travel 1.0 is proprietary Apple technology.
Some members of the opensuse community have written instructions and tools on how to turn the 5 cd isos into 1 dvd iso. They are really straight forward and take a minimum amount of work.
"Nimis exaltatus rex sedet in vertice - caveat ruinam!"
is the distro compiled with the latest gcc or does it just ship with it, my understanding is 3.4 still produces significantly faster code and most suse users would probably prefer a more cautious approach anyway.
The official anouncement can be found here:c e/2005-Oct/0003.html
http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announ
If you are more interested in speed, because you thought SUSE was slow, look at http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER where they are waiting for developers to make thinsg even faster.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Xen3 is close enough to their scheduled release date that it had darned well be the little bugs they're working out by now.
But why do the always call their DVD isos something with "eval" ? I mean it sounds a bit like "evaluation copy"?
Because it is meant as an 'evaluation' meaning you can try it, but without official support from SuSE, and no guarantees.
http://www.osnews.com/read_thread.php?news_id=1213 4&comment_id=40933
There's a good resource here on how to install the packages that are missing from the OSS version:
Hacking OpenSuSE
echo $SIG
I knew someone had to have solved the basic problem - how to let customers roll their own CDs for installation on machines where network downloads are prohibitively slow.
I like his idea better than mine anyways - why tie up the server with simulating an ISO when the downloading/burning machine can do all the work.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Version 18 is nothing. I've seen versions 95, 98... And they still had a lot of problems :)
.. I've witnessed 2000!! :)
Thats nothing
a YaST config utility that works as well in xterm/tty (ncurses) mode as it does in graphical mode. This is quite unique;
.deb or .rpm or .foo for all I care, just use the same management system, and then you can all use the same GUI based on this management system. Is this that hard? Someone out there is going to tell me that choice is good, and that I can install apt/synaptic on many distributions. Fine, when all the standard repositories for all the distributions are apt-ready, and all the distributions integrate Synaptic into their central config utility, I'll do that. Until then, I have put up with a plethora of apt-wannabes, all with different pretty GUIs, all fixing their own bugs and implementing the same features.
Urpmi works from command-line; apt-get works from command-line. Are they talking about an ncurses interface? Anyone ssh'ing in to update stuff doesn't want an ncurses interface, they want a command they can script with. While I'm on this topic, can all you distributions (at least the ones that rely on precompiled packages) PICK A DAMN PACKAGE MANAGER. You don't have to standardize the packages, use
"Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
PC*MILER is at version 19.
-Nick
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
This particular link takes a little effort to find. Them initial post links to the 5 CD collection, but I'll bet most would rather have the DVD image.
Since 9.0 it has resized my NTFS partitions just fine.
I've been eager to try SUSE for a while, and their OSS release seems like the ideal time.
I understand the reasoning, but for most Linux distros it's becoming harder and harder to install without a CD (whether it be net install or full CD install). My laptop is usually very low end for its time, and so far I've never had one with a reliably-functioning CD drive (my current laptop doesn't read CDRs reliably). Not that floppy is much better, but this laptop won't boot from PCMCIA CDROM (at least the one I have) nor USB key.
Some modern distros like Ubuntu and Fedora don't seem to have any mechanism to create floppies (correct me if I'm wrong). OpenSUSE wants you to have all of CD1 to run mkbootdisk and generate who knows how many floppies. All I really need is a disk that RH and Mandrake used to have (maybe Mandriva still does) - one that can load pcmcia drivers and finish the install via CD. They also had a net driver alternative to do a net install.
Yeah, I know you can still install Debian via floppy. It's what I'm running now, but I have issues with fonts and power management and other tweaks for laptops that just don't seem to work quite right. The laptop ran various versions of Mandrake when it was my wife's for over 3 years, so I know the hardware is fairly compatible with Linux.
Getting back to SUSE, I'm downloading all the CDs via bittorrent. Considering no mirrors that I checked had the new RPMS yet, it didn't seem like a net install was worth attempting anyway. I think I'll try my hand at a network boot from my desktop.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
(Taken from a post by gsrdemon)
Windows crashes automatically if you don't switch off the machine for
49.7 days.This is accepted by Microsoft.
Do you know why?
In windows the Virtual Machine Manager(VMM) is responsible for
creation, execution, monitoring and termination of virtual machines. This VMM is a
32 bit protected mode operating system, provides a number of system
service at chip level of programming.
One of these services is "Get_System_Time". This particular service
loads the EAX register with the time in milliseconds since Windows
started.This service is accurate to 1ms.
EAX is a 32 bit register. So the maximum number of milliseconds it can
hold is:
(2^32) - 1 = 4294967295 milliseconds
= 4294967.295 seconds
= 71582.79 minutes
= 1193 hours
= 49.7 days
So after 49.7 days the EAX resets to zero.Most of the Drivers use this
Time Service to keep track of the time out of various services they
provide. So after 49.7 days the drives cannot use the Get_System_Time
funtion of VMM and they crash.
Things are good
Think I'll pass, be cheap and wait for OpenSuSE 10.0
At least it's not named "O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O" ...
$ less --version
> less 382
I've had this sig for three days.
Here is a guide for adding sources to Yast and installing proprietary applications (java, realplayer, codecs, dvd capabilities, acrobat reader...) : http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178 /42/
98
...
ME
2000
XP
Server 2003
oh, and let's not forget NT while we're here.
/(bb|[^b]{2})/ , that is the question;
Are there minimum requirements? I tried the 9.3 live DVD on my laptop hoping to see if I could find a replacement for WinXP, but it crashed and gave me an out of memory leak. The dvd worked fine on my desktop machine with the exception of my sound card still not being supported (same problem I had last time I considered migrating). But yeah, if I could get it running on my laptop and have my wireless card work that'd be swell...
AutoCAD's at 20 :)
well I was able to SLES9 my DokU without a problem. It booted just fine. Maybe you should sloKU your Xen3 or try it on x86_64. what do you think?
When they figured out that the version year turned to be bad marketing, they dropped it. Who would buy a 2004 product in 2005?
So let's go with XP, which means.....I'm not sure....eXPert? eXPlosive? 3.14 minus ten?
OK, forget the numbers, asta la VISTA, baby.
La Vista = in italian, what you see through a window(s)....scaring, isn't it?
I see a point here.
i would welcome your thoughts on this thread*: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showto pic=21103
* i am no techie, so this is as much for my benefit as a critique of where linux/SUSE should go.....
regards
Dimble
If it is yast you like, consider looking at http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/. Will let you use yast on Debian without sacrificing yourself to the complete reinstalls that installing (and upgrading) SuSE entails.
The Suse line used to be pretty good, but the 9.3 experience left me fairly unhappy about how well it had been tested. Actually that is unfair, the core was pretty good and works well on laptops, but they had thrown in some stuff (Open Office 2.0 beta) that I dont consider ready yet, and other stuff (Evolution) in releases that were broken (the exchange bridge was, anyway).
Do commercial distros have to deliberatly go the way of fedora, "unstable, not for production use" to force people to pay to switch to the paying version. And yes, I do object to this split between "hobbyists/amateurs" and professionals. Linux was built by amateurs; it was the professionals that gave us the win9x product line.
I seem to recall something with the first 2.6 kernel(s), where that bug was still present, and the timer was 10x as fast (1000mhz instead of 100mhz), which lead to 49,7 days uptime wrap.
Disclaimer: it's a good chance I'm remembering wrong and I'm too lazy to google it right now.
It's The Golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."
You have a fast mirror of SuSE 10.0 here:
http://talika.eii.us.es/~javier/suse/
100 megabits upload speed
You have a fast mirror of SuSE 10.0 here:
http://talika.eii.us.es/~javier/suse/
100 megabits upload speed
If anyone thinks I'm installing an operating system that has a bloody "My Computer" icon they can think again...
What next ? "My Computer", "My Documents", "My Pictures", "My TextBox", "My DataGrid", "My Little Pony"...
Oh the imagination of these people.
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
hi
- OSS/inst-source/boot/boot.iso
has anyone seen mirrors containing this file?
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.0
roy
Computers are like air conditioners.
- They stop working when you open Windows.
Chessmaster is at 9000 or higher by now
How sick is that - Moving from 2000 to ME is technically an "Upgrade"
Redundancy is good And also good.
Does Suse 10 support ati 9700 grfx cards out of the box? Or do we go through that painstaking ritual again.
Funniest post ever. :) You guys are too grave.
SUSE Lambda? That's so gay! :-)
...at least on my laptop. It was impossible to do anything, such as select a bunch of files in Konqueror, or move a window. The mouse pointer would jump to a random spot and make random clicks as it went. I reverted back to gentoo - even though I have the exactly same applications set on it, there are no problems with the synaptics driver. :/
Other than that, I really liked SuSE 10.
so let me get this straight. the 10.0 eval dvd version available from suse.
that's the retail version minus the support from suse?
thank you
I guess I only get to do this once (I won't be a noob after this). I finally decided that I'd had enough of the M$onopoly and DRM. So, I went out and looked at the different distributions of Linux. To be fair, I installed Mandrake (several years ago), but never really used it. So, after a bit of research, I decided on Suse 10.0. Why? Well, I like the idea of the Reiser FS, and I like free. OpenSuse seemed like a good fit. I also didn't want something terribly complex (I'm a noob, and I'd like to switch the whole family-- who are even more noob than I am). I'm a bit disappointed, honestly. Here's my review.
I have two physical disks in the home PC and I'd emptied out space on the second disk awhile back and had installed FC4. However, when I rebooted, I went directly into Windows XP. I never really solved that issue (which I assume was with GRUB) because I didn't really want FC4 anyway.
I figured that I could simply install Suse over the top of the partitions, etc. and, hopefully, could fix the boot issue. I was already beyond the understanding of the typical PC user. So, this really may not be fair, but the Suse installation was quite painful.
Why? I'll explain. I popped in the CD1 and rebooted. The installation started fine. Okay, a particularly ugly screen asks which language; same (really) ugly screen asks me to accept a license; same (hideously) ugly screen asks about a timezone. Then it hits... I can't honestly remember what the responses were like the first time through, but by the fourth time, I was pretty frustrated with the amount of time that it was taking to 'analyze' the software configuration-- over which I had not yet had any control.
The partitioning was screwed up, but I expected that. This partitioning issue was the real reason that I went through the process several times. Part of it IS my fault, but part of it is Suse's. First time through, it wants to resize the Windows partition, I say 'no', let's use the partitions that I already have setup for Linux... It bombs. It can't deal with that because it wants the partition to be (physically?) at the 'end' of the disk-- WTF?
Okay, reboot into XP and move all the data off the end partition. I note, with some interest, that I am able to see the Linux stuff out there. This is something that I didn't expect. So, I decided that I'd wack all the partitions and make them one, big, unpartitioned space at the end of the drive. Moved all the stuff off and created a new partition at the 'front' of the drive. Moved everything there. Rebooted and started the install again. Damn thing didn't recognize hdb (I tried several times). All that space... worthless. The installation wants to resize the Windows partition... Damn!
Reboot into XP and create a new, big NTFS partition on the (hdb) second drive, and move everything out there. Now, I have an empty space on the primary drive, which is probably better, but I've now spent several hours moving files and watching Suse analyze the software configuration. Reboot into the install. Everything seems to be going okay. Bam!
Unable to mount the Windows partitions (I think it was trying to set 'mount points'... I can't be sure (noob)). Interestingly, it had recognized the hdb this time. Some (other) wierd thing happens and I hang! WTF!?
Reboot into the install... smooth sailing... recognizes and is able to mount the windows partitions... loading the software... CD3 won't read (tried several times)... that's odd.
Take CD3 and put it in wife's computer. It reads. I put it back in. It reads and the install continues... wow... that was close.
By this point, Windows TCO is looking better and better. I'm frustrated.
Finally, I get it installed. Now the moment of truth... the reboot. If the Grub issue wasn't resolved, Linux is still not for me-- I've had it. The issue was resolved, though, and I now have a dual boot Suse and XP machine! Moved some data, cleaned some stuff off of windows, and went to bed.
So,
Novell uses the term Enthusiast rather than Hobbyist: http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/comparati ve.html
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Yet I would not call the two terms categorical opposites or mutually exclusive. Hobbyists are generally and perhaps by definition enthusiastic about their pursuits/activities/preoccupation even if they don't get a paycheck with bennies. If they do get paid and it is called a job, so much the better for the hobbyist, but the job (e.g., working with the "Enthusiast" SUSE version) isn't degraded or given a negative connotation in the process.
The Encarta definition of enthusiast: "person deeply involved in something: somebody who is enthusiastic about something, especially a hobby" http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary
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