Because most developers just include the GPL license that Kdevelop throws out by default or because its what everyone else is using.
I can understand why a developer would not want me to steal his code. It makes sense.
But liability is a four letter word and out of control today in business. Just look at the companies who are leaving Linux due to the SCO lawsuit or at leave have all FOSS boxes on hold until the case is closed?
I do not want to steal. All I want is to use an #include somefile. Thats it? To me that is extreme and yes the GPL at that point restricts my own liberties.
Proprietary software is a must in business. First off most software is made inhouse. Does the GPL allow this? Yes, but it makes many lawyers and IT manager at work uncomfortable. What if my company gets bought out? Is that corporation then in violation of the GPL? What if Microsoft does an audit and scares the CIO about *liability protection*?
The fud MS is using on the SCO case is now working as their salesteam has shiny brochures about Linux and I.P claims, etc.
Doing so is in violation of the GPL from the previously forked version since its contaminated.
I got modded down quite heavily because I am a BSD bigot but I want to use GPL libraries for some application I want to sell or use internally at work. I can't.:-(
If it were BSD or GPLed I could. That is what I am trying to say and I do not understand why that is so controversial?
I could see cut and pasting is wrong, but what about #include somefile ? I can't even include header files because the GPL is restrictive.
Under a BSD license I could change the license mroe regularly because its less strict. FSF do not even read the licenses of what they are releasing and sometimes they screw themselves if they want to include the code or even link to it at work.
If something is illegal in a contract then its void if I understand correctly. For example you can not sell yourself to prostitution under a legal contract. Such a contract would automatically be void.
I am not a lawyer but it makes basic sense.
What bothers me more is that Microsoft does this shit all the time to former Novel, SGI, and Borland employees. Even those with Non compete agreements. But its all boo-hoo when someone does it to them.
Its the best for the less extreme of the FSF. Basically the main project or code remains GPL. However, you can link and include the code in your project without worry as long as you do not over moddify the code you are linking too.
Most projects on sourceforge just use the GPL without thinking due to ignorance. This causes problems for corporate developers.
Which is why I favor the BSD license. (let the flames begin):-)
However I really do wish more libraries were copyleft as opposed to just GPL.
A copylefted api or library allows linking in closed source projects and at the same time allows the main library to be gnu. Its the best of both worlds.
AMD is also a member of the TNC initiative. Perhaps because they had no choice but to join.
Its coming whether we want it or not and both Apple and Microsoft want their platforms the center as the media hub of the future of the home. To do this means backing by hollywood and of course they want a standard and Microsoft is doing everything possible to cater to them so they can be the new gatekeeper of data and information.
Well the errors of portage claim my version of SDL is not supported or *could not initialize display** etc.
I would think the most recent patches would be fetched by portage.
But the fact that we even have to talk about this shows where Linux needs improvement.
Source code is not what I am talking about per say since most just compiles. Many proprietary software vendors rely on binary compatibility, but even source compatiblity is a program since api and abi changes happen more often in FOSS and hackers dont care.
Microsoft and Apple take compatiblity seriously (though its still not perfect on there platforms).
Instead of a newer version glibc or sdl it would be nice to have the older versions around and versioning support built into the binaries like in Windows with dynamic runtime linking. That is what I am referring too. Linux may have this already but I have seen anyone take advantage of it.
It puts pressure on Microsoft to produce better products and creates a mindset that there is more than Windows.
When Windows 98 came out linux was really nice. Finally a real stable operating sytem. However now since NT finally because core to Microsoft's base operating system things have stabilized and Linux has gone downhill in recent years (mostly in userspace).
Neither is perfect and I just posted some negative stuff about the current state in Linux even though I hated MS for years.:-)
The intel compiler though is no longer as bright as it once was since MS and gnu have both improved their C and C++ compilers. I admit on Windows gnu c/C++ still sucks but I have seen benchmarks which show the intel one being near in performance with the other compilers.
Fortran is different since the gnu one is based on ansi 77 not 90, and the portland group is the only company left even making commercial fortran compilers.
I gave up on Linux as my main desktop operating system and keep it around on a seperate partition to play with but not soley use.
I am a former BSD bigot too so I may be biased here....:-)
Linux distributions are not only not incompatible with each other but they are incompatible with themselves.
Case in point try running quake3, UT2003, UT2004, and other ports on Gentoo?
It wont compile or not run at all. Why?
Because api and abi changes are inevitable and newer versions of libraries are incompatible with older ones.
FreeBSD has things stored in/compat/X so you can run older applications by linking to older libraries and shell programs. Linux does not have this. Solaris I think uses dynamic linking like Windows (correct me if I am wrong since I am not an expert with Solaris) so runtime just works.
At least on Windows I can run a 8 year old binary on windows2k. On solaris I can run old unix apps without a sweat. Linux it changes on a monthly basis and makes it impossible for commercial software developers to support.
We need standards and we need dynamic and not static linking with.so's similiar to Win2k dll management, and/compat directories with older core programs to fix it.
Until this happens and executables become smarter I will stay away from Linux except for a small number of server apps.
$50 for an hour session only buys you a scan with adaware from some geek.
Most programs need to be reinstalled and many users (home ones) use pirated software with no recourse for installations. Its not like a corporate desktop where you just rewinnet them ( re-image).
My girlfriend's machine was so infected not even adaware could run and still even with a partial scan it took 15 minutes to boot up. Her whole drive had to be wiped and she had alot of data from pirated programs as well as personalized settings for a million IM and ICQ programs that got lost during the reformat.
She just wanted a new pc and didn't care. I just shrugged my shoulders and gave her an old pentiumIII in my closet.
I have a 40gig folder called zipped on my computer for just that.... and porn too in one subdirectory.
I have several old hard drives and I just copy the data over to the older 40 or 60 gig partitions whenever I do a reinstallation or decide to install a new unixlike OS.
Personally I think its bullshit. This crap is what got me into Linux in 98.
The problem is we no longer own our machines if Windows is required and MS comes in and dictates hwo we use their software.
Still years ago we had a blanket license that covered everything but the MS salesmen still convinced teh CIO to purchase per user + per cpu licensing just to make sure because they did not want to scare poor old MS from doing an audit.
Then another MS salesmen/consultant would say something different about not needing licenses (I think he was saying this to make his project look cheaper) but still. God?
LCD's have crappier video quality, are blury, games are choppy, and have issues with things like native video resolutions. For example lets say I want to play doom3 with a native resolution of 1024 x768 (I think most today are higher)? The game will render the game at that resolution and the performance will suck.
I could lower the resolution in the game but the many video drivers will render graphics at 1024 x 768 and just convert it to 640x800 (eg).
Last I want to learn photoshop and my gf is an amature photographer. We need high resolution and a big ass screen is required. I am probably going to buy her a big 21 inch used Sony monitor so she can do fine work.
How can I do that on a crappy 17 inch LCD? I can buy a nice 22 inch LCD from Apple but for what price? $1800? The used sony is only $450.
I do not want LCD nor need it. My 19 inch mag suites my needs fine.
But read the article? Some content (up to the content providers) will still play but with forced degradation in visual quality.
Joe will see Bob can play the file in high fidelity and for him it plays crappy and some content wont play at all without the latest and greatest HIFI DEF 3.5d bluelazer magascreen.
What will Joe do?
Well upgrade to the latest and greatest HIFI bluelazer 3.5D megascreen that Bob has.
Everyone is happy and the monitor industry and Microsoft will be laughing their asses off to the bank.
The LCD industry will be pushing this down everyone's throat and will be encouraging content providers to switch to WMV so they can make more money.
Go look at the red banner on the top titled "Will Linux protect my business in an I.P dispute?" on the site linked? It takes time for corporations to switch to different platforms and its picking up if you read slashdot alot. A see a ton of comments here about new IT policies forbidding gnu and migrations from Apache to IIS as a result of SCO and Microsoft's funding. MS has trained their salesteam as of recently to target CIO's directly with a whole bunch of scare material.
Microsoft salesmen today now have all glossy brochures and talk to the CIO's directly about the dangers of opensource and mention companies switching. Its having an effect now that MS has marketware material and statistics to show. When CIO's here liability they always blink and bend over.
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Because most developers just include the GPL license that Kdevelop throws out by default or because its what everyone else is using.
I can understand why a developer would not want me to steal his code. It makes sense.
But liability is a four letter word and out of control today in business. Just look at the companies who are leaving Linux due to the SCO lawsuit or at leave have all FOSS boxes on hold until the case is closed?
I do not want to steal. All I want is to use an #include somefile. Thats it? To me that is extreme and yes the GPL at that point restricts my own liberties.
Proprietary software is a must in business. First off most software is made inhouse. Does the GPL allow this? Yes, but it makes many lawyers and IT manager at work uncomfortable. What if my company gets bought out? Is that corporation then in violation of the GPL? What if Microsoft does an audit and scares the CIO about *liability protection*?
The fud MS is using on the SCO case is now working as their salesteam has shiny brochures about Linux and I.P claims, etc.
The LGPL is just safer for job security.
No they are not under the GPL.
:-(
Doing so is in violation of the GPL from the previously forked version since its contaminated.
I got modded down quite heavily because I am a BSD bigot but I want to use GPL libraries for some application I want to sell or use internally at work. I can't.
If it were BSD or GPLed I could. That is what I am trying to say and I do not understand why that is so controversial?
I could see cut and pasting is wrong, but what about #include somefile ? I can't even include header files because the GPL is restrictive.
Under a BSD license I could change the license mroe regularly because its less strict. FSF do not even read the licenses of what they are releasing and sometimes they screw themselves if they want to include the code or even link to it at work.
Hmm
If something is illegal in a contract then its void if I understand correctly. For example you can not sell yourself to prostitution under a legal contract. Such a contract would automatically be void.
I am not a lawyer but it makes basic sense.
What bothers me more is that Microsoft does this shit all the time to former Novel, SGI, and Borland employees. Even those with Non compete agreements. But its all boo-hoo when someone does it to them.
I was thinking the same thing.
Also if someone under such a clause becomes terminated, its up to the company to provide a lifetime salary.
After all if an employer has power to run your life and your time then you do not really own it and likewise should be compensated for it.
There is the copyleft license by GNU.
Its the best for the less extreme of the FSF. Basically the main project or code remains GPL. However, you can link and include the code in your project without worry as long as you do not over moddify the code you are linking too.
Most projects on sourceforge just use the GPL without thinking due to ignorance. This causes problems for corporate developers.
Which is why I favor the BSD license. (let the flames begin) :-)
However I really do wish more libraries were copyleft as opposed to just GPL.
A copylefted api or library allows linking in closed source projects and at the same time allows the main library to be gnu. Its the best of both worlds.
I remember some bugs in the old javascript and installation programs from Microsoft in the late 1990's.
Basically instead of an less/than or equal to =, some bonehead just used "==" equal to.
So basically instead of using version 3 or higher of X, its only version 3. I wonder if its the same bug?
Perhaps its an old Loki script that all the game developers are using which have this bug.
Only one could guess but even a child knows the difference between less/than or equal to vs equal to.
AMD is also a member of the TNC initiative. Perhaps because they had no choice but to join.
Its coming whether we want it or not and both Apple and Microsoft want their platforms the center as the media hub of the future of the home. To do this means backing by hollywood and of course they want a standard and Microsoft is doing everything possible to cater to them so they can be the new gatekeeper of data and information.
Well the errors of portage claim my version of SDL is not supported or *could not initialize display** etc.
I would think the most recent patches would be fetched by portage.
But the fact that we even have to talk about this shows where Linux needs improvement.
Source code is not what I am talking about per say since most just compiles. Many proprietary software vendors rely on binary compatibility, but even source compatiblity is a program since api and abi changes happen more often in FOSS and hackers dont care.
Microsoft and Apple take compatiblity seriously (though its still not perfect on there platforms).
Instead of a newer version glibc or sdl it would be nice to have the older versions around and versioning support built into the binaries like in Windows with dynamic runtime linking. That is what I am referring too. Linux may have this already but I have seen anyone take advantage of it.
Do you use custom software to reinstall your repository of programs? Or is it homebrew?
That would be quite usefull.
Linux is great.
:-)
It puts pressure on Microsoft to produce better products and creates a mindset that there is more than Windows.
When Windows 98 came out linux was really nice. Finally a real stable operating sytem. However now since NT finally because core to Microsoft's base operating system things have stabilized and Linux has gone downhill in recent years (mostly in userspace).
Neither is perfect and I just posted some negative stuff about the current state in Linux even though I hated MS for years.
The intel compiler though is no longer as bright as it once was since MS and gnu have both improved their C and C++ compilers. I admit on Windows gnu c/C++ still sucks but I have seen benchmarks which show the intel one being near in performance with the other compilers.
Fortran is different since the gnu one is based on ansi 77 not 90, and the portland group is the only company left even making commercial fortran compilers.
I gave up on Linux as my main desktop operating system and keep it around on a seperate partition to play with but not soley use.
.... :-)
/compat/X so you can run older applications by linking to older libraries and shell programs. Linux does not have this. Solaris I think uses dynamic linking like Windows (correct me if I am wrong since I am not an expert with Solaris) so runtime just works.
.so's similiar to Win2k dll management, and /compat directories with older core programs to fix it.
I am a former BSD bigot too so I may be biased here
Linux distributions are not only not incompatible with each other but they are incompatible with themselves.
Case in point try running quake3, UT2003, UT2004, and other ports on Gentoo?
It wont compile or not run at all. Why?
Because api and abi changes are inevitable and newer versions of libraries are incompatible with older ones.
FreeBSD has things stored in
At least on Windows I can run a 8 year old binary on windows2k. On solaris I can run old unix apps without a sweat. Linux it changes on a monthly basis and makes it impossible for commercial software developers to support.
We need standards and we need dynamic and not static linking with
Until this happens and executables become smarter I will stay away from Linux except for a small number of server apps.
$50 for an hour session only buys you a scan with adaware from some geek.
Most programs need to be reinstalled and many users (home ones) use pirated software with no recourse for installations. Its not like a corporate desktop where you just rewinnet them ( re-image).
My girlfriend's machine was so infected not even adaware could run and still even with a partial scan it took 15 minutes to boot up. Her whole drive had to be wiped and she had alot of data from pirated programs as well as personalized settings for a million IM and ICQ programs that got lost during the reformat.
She just wanted a new pc and didn't care. I just shrugged my shoulders and gave her an old pentiumIII in my closet.
I have a 40gig folder called zipped on my computer for just that. ... and porn too in one subdirectory.
I have several old hard drives and I just copy the data over to the older 40 or 60 gig partitions whenever I do a reinstallation or decide to install a new unixlike OS.
Quite a nice backup strategy for a home user.
I know.
Personally I think its bullshit. This crap is what got me into Linux in 98.
The problem is we no longer own our machines if Windows is required and MS comes in and dictates hwo we use their software.
Still years ago we had a blanket license that covered everything but the MS salesmen still convinced teh CIO to purchase per user + per cpu licensing just to make sure because they did not want to scare poor old MS from doing an audit.
Then another MS salesmen/consultant would say something different about not needing licenses (I think he was saying this to make his project look cheaper) but still. God?
Good thing I am not in IT anymare.
Sorry dude.
:-)
Consumer is so meaningless.
How does customer sound instead?
Untapped market user? Hmm that might work too.
LCD's have crappier video quality, are blury, games are choppy, and have issues with things like native video resolutions. For example lets say I want to play doom3 with a native resolution of 1024 x768 (I think most today are higher)? The game will render the game at that resolution and the performance will suck.
I could lower the resolution in the game but the many video drivers will render graphics at 1024 x 768 and just convert it to 640x800 (eg).
Last I want to learn photoshop and my gf is an amature photographer. We need high resolution and a big ass screen is required. I am probably going to buy her a big 21 inch used Sony monitor so she can do fine work.
How can I do that on a crappy 17 inch LCD? I can buy a nice 22 inch LCD from Apple but for what price? $1800? The used sony is only $450.
I do not want LCD nor need it. My 19 inch mag suites my needs fine.
Ton of porn requires me to download an activeX control with spyware and drm to view. Many are already on WMV format off of kazaa.
But read the article? Some content (up to the content providers) will still play but with forced degradation in visual quality.
Joe will see Bob can play the file in high fidelity and for him it plays crappy and some content wont play at all without the latest and greatest HIFI DEF 3.5d bluelazer magascreen.
What will Joe do?
Well upgrade to the latest and greatest HIFI bluelazer 3.5D megascreen that Bob has.
Everyone is happy and the monitor industry and Microsoft will be laughing their asses off to the bank.
The LCD industry will be pushing this down everyone's throat and will be encouraging content providers to switch to WMV so they can make more money.
Actually Microsoft is siting partners who switched from Linux to Windows because of liability issues.
Go look at the red banner on the top titled "Will Linux protect my business in an I.P dispute?" on the site linked? It takes time for corporations to switch to different platforms and its picking up if you read slashdot alot. A see a ton of comments here about new IT policies forbidding gnu and migrations from Apache to IIS as a result of SCO and Microsoft's funding. MS has trained their salesteam as of recently to target CIO's directly with a whole bunch of scare material.
Microsoft salesmen today now have all glossy brochures and talk to the CIO's directly about the dangers of opensource and mention companies switching. Its having an effect now that MS has marketware material and statistics to show. When CIO's here liability they always blink and bend over.
Yep and Microsoft is having a a kick with it.
Go look at the red banner titled "Will my business be protected from an intellectual property dispute? ".
Last, all the companies that switched from Linux to Windows are mentioned on the bottom mostly due to legal issues. Assholes
It astounds me this is legal and MS is funding sco and all the studies yet is totally getting away with it.
Linux's reputation is damaged quite bad.
Many in the software industry including Microsoft would like a per user + [per cpu license.
They do this shit all the time in negotations with large firms. If two people use one machine then you need to pay for Excel twice.
Shhh
That comment was unamerican and liberal which hurt the pockets of the energy industry.
Yep
This is what happened to SCO Unix, Wordperfect, and lotus.
No updates or small updates with an eroding infrastructure with outdated software killed them.