Slashdot Mirror
SCO Says Email Is Inaccurate
daria42 writes "The SCO Group has slammed as 'inaccurate' suggestions that an e-mail from one of its own engineers showed Linux did not contain copyright Unix code, and even forwarded its own historical memo to journalists in an attempt to discredit the e-mail published on Groklaw." From the article: "This memo shows that Mr. Davidson's e-mail is referring to an investigation limited to literal copying, which is not the standard for copyright violations, and which can be avoided by deliberate obfuscation, as the memo itself points out..." We reported on the email yesterday.
Well of course they would say that. I mean, given their history, is there any other choice they would have for how to respond to this.
Corporate America feels like a childish game of "You go home.... no you go home..... No you go home.... No"
--
Why didn't you know?
No Copyright violations for you to see here. Please move along.
SCO has been an annoying thorn in the side of linux for long enough. I hope we dont have to hear from them anymore.
Everything out of SCO has been inaccurate up to this point...
The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
Well of course they're going to say that. Did anyone expect them to say "Ah, yea you got us. We were bullshitting this whole time."?
This is just them desperately trying to hold onto their useless lawsuits as long as possible. I'm sure it is not just one engineer, but rather nearly every employee who knows attacking linux is nothing more than a money grab.
Voice your opinion!
Anybody else getting the feeling that these guys are just trying to stay out of jail now?
how the fcsk can it be than a 1999 investigation's initial findings, the Swartz investigation, show up "possible problems" and then in 2002, with Reg and Co examining the output of the 1999 investigation in 2002 and deeming that all the "problems" found in 1999 were actually NOT problems...such as legal use of BSD code, etc...
but the initial 1999 look trumps the more thorough 200*BANG*
my mind just exploded.
i hate this case.
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
Couldn't agree more. After all even our own president (Bush of USA) also "lies" even over things that are obvious - think the IRAQ war. The other boss of ENRON also lied...so did former president Clinton, Bill Gates. They all lie in this land of "freedom!"
The SCO spin machine used to be slick, now it just makes me laugh. The quote from the original email was quite explicit.
I can't wait to see groklaws response.
Seems the guys in the last SCO article had a point. When the Bush administration leads by example with it's Neo-Morality business leaders follow.
Now they're just sounding desperate.
"IBM Officially Kills SCO."
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
Here is an example of code that was STOLEN directly from the Unix code...
int var1;
And here's one they blatantly obfuscated:
Original:
int var1;
var1 = 0;
Obfuscated:
int var_1 = 0;
HOW DARE THEY!
It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
Facebook is the new AOL
The email itself says that the investigation looked for more than literal copying. From the email:
Bob worked on the project for (I think) 4 to 6 months during which time he looked at the Linux kernel, and a large number of libraries and utilities and compared them with several different vesrions of AT&T UNIX source code. (Most of this work was automated using tools which were designed to to fuzzy matching and ignore trivial differences in formatting and spelling)
echo Hello World
vs.
echo "Error: 123456 Stack page overwrite error."
See, it's not exact copying, but it is obviously a copyright violation.
I smell a shareholder lawsuit, an SEC investigation, and hopefully, a Sarbanes-Oxley smackdown of such grand proportions as to make Bernie Ebbers look like a slap on the wrist.
-paul
Pistol caliber is like religion: everyone has their favourite, and theirs is the only right choice.
Darl McBride went on to comment that he will also pursue copyright violations in which other documents have touched documents containing SCO code.
Modern copyright is theft of culture from everyone and it retards the progress of the useful arts and sciences.
However, SCO said in a statement this afternoon, "it would simply be inaccurate - and misleading -- to use Mr Davidson's e-mail to suggest that SCO's internal investigation revealed no problems."
Problem number 1: Linux doesn't contain any of SCO's intellectual property.
The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
Does anyone know who Mr. Davidson is? Has anyone tried contacting him re: this email?
I still find it very interesting that the SCO developer in question sent the email from a computer running Windows 98.
It contains the email header "X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I)".
Now, it would make sense for secretaries and perhaps other execs to be using Windows 98, but not one of their UNIX and Linux developers. Even if he wasn't using UnixWare or OpenServer as his workstation OS, he should very well have been using OpenLinux.
And remember, the email was sent in 2002. This is well after the release of Windows 2000. Even the use of Windows 2000 or Windows NT would be somewhat understandable. But Windows 98? That strikes me as very unsual.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Yes, SCO has found cases where their copyrighted code was stolen and then cleverly obfuscated by completely changing the variable names, comments, data structures and algorithms! But clearly it must have been stolen since it performs a similar function.
Of which Darl and SCO are the current grandmasters.
Insensitive Clod! What about those of us who use Internet Explorer?
The SCO gang should become history books writers. They would change the way we look at the history of the world. I mean Blake Stowell take on modern history would be likely to be stating something like 'Our research have found this statement from 1929 from Adolf Hitler stating that he liked Jews, this earlier statement of course invalidates everything that happened afterwards and shows that Hitler have been deeply misrepresented as a proponent for anti-semitism.'
Yes, they all lie, and the reason is because it works. Those of us who follow this case, or who take what people in these positions say with a grain of salt and do our own research are not usually fooled by such things, but the majority of people are. Most people are content to trust people in power rather than questioning them.
It's unfortunate that the idea of questioning powerful people has become taboo in our culture, as it gives those people that much more power to do whatever they please. The only way to keep power in check is for the relatively powerless to continually question it.
Haven't I seen this before?
"Your honor, I object!"
"And why is that, Mr. Reede?"
"Because it's devastating to my case!"
"Overruled."
"Good call!"
SCOvIBM: In the wake of the recent opinion issued by Judge Kimball, fact discovery will continue until 27 Jan 2006, and the parties must disclose with specificity all "allegedly infringing materials" by 22 Dec 2005. Redacted and unsealed motions are dribbling out. The parties seem to be still consulting with each other on the privilege log issue. Finally, a fully briefed, completely sealed discovery motion awaits a ruling, though no hearing date is yet set.
SCOvNovell: Judge Kimball has denied Novell's motion to dismiss. The likely next step here is for Novell to file an answer to SCO's complaint.
RedHatvSCO: This case remains stayed. However, Judge Robinson indicated that if "it would no longer be an inefficient use of judicial resources" or "there is evidence that SCO has misrepresented the issues," Red Hat can refile their motion for reconsideration to lift the stay. The parties are instructed to update the court every 90 days on related actions in which SCO is involved. The next update is due approximately 28 Sept 2005.
SCOvAutoZone: Judge Jones stayed this case "pending further order of the court" and the parties are instructed to update the court every 90 days on the other related actions in which SCO is involved. The next update is expected around 17 July 2005.
Pending/Recently decided motions:
SCOvNovell:
RedHatvSCO:
SCOvAutoZone:
Please note that I've started construction of a motio
Why not go fsck yourself.
If its worth writing, do it in plain text rather than being a twat
to deny it - they want to avoid jail time when this is over
I'm not a GNU fanboy, but the GPL works wonderfully.
You see, SCO shipped Linux for years. They did so, knowingly, under the GPL. The GPL was their license.
They claimed that they stopped shipping Linux as soon as they could when they realized that IBM was "dumping UNIX code into Linux". That's hogwash, but that's not my point.
The point is that now, when they claim there were pre-IBM copyright violations, they are caught by the GPL. They shipped all that code included in Linux and other supporting programs under the GPL.
If they believed there was SCO code hidden in Linux, shipping under the GPL means they approved of it.
sigs, as if you care.
Actually it reminds me more of the small, obnoxious kid at the sandbox, which sticks his fingers into his ears and yells I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! on the top of his lungs.
What a sorry bunch of wankers...
ich bin der musikant
mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
Use of deliberate typo in previous reply to avoid profanity filters was deliberate - this disclaimer added to stop the - "but fsck in that context is not plain text either" replies
He is well beyond the point where that sort of statement could help his standing / hurt Linux in any way, even in the press. There is an old rule that you cant really trust a controversial news item until it has been honoured with a dementi. Ok, confirmation.
However, I wonder if that email might lead to another front in the SCO litigation labyrinth since it might be used to argue that SCOs going to court was frivoluos from the very beginning.
605413? Yes, it's a prime.
because, my gentile man, it may or may not be appropriate to write certain things in open text. those who care will bother to read it.
Thank you.
Oh, and by the way, to the moderators: the GP is definitely not off-topic.
You can't handle the truth.
- http://www.sco.com/scoip/swartz_memo.pdf
Which seems to be entirely different and gives concrete information on similarities and copied code. I haven't verified the conclusions but this is what SCO is now making public to confuse people.Your "denial in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contratry" skills are needed in Utah!
this memo clearly shows that SCO executives knew that there was no litteral copying in GNU/Linux, they then went out and made statements that they new were demonstrably false, i.e. Daryl's Line by Line copying comment. It is now very clear that SCO executives should at least be charged with fraud.
Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a girl in 1990? gb1990.com
...as opposed to figurative copying...right... Linux, my anti-DRM
Or, maybe, you wrote something you thing is really neato and clever and are taking the opportunity to hype your own wares.
How could you be tired of this drama?
It has thrills, intrigue, an evil, pompous villain, and many 'rebel fighters'...
We're drawing to the end, the big finish, where IBM lays the smackdown, and Darl moves into his new home (A large sanyo television box).
No, it's like some sort of soap opera for geeks all over the world. Just wait for the TV movie, starring (ummm....):
- Mark Hamill as Linus
- Tom Cruise as Groklaw
- Jabba the Hutt as Darl McBride
no need for hyping :) it's on mozilla anyway. I wrote it because I use it, and this is one of the ways I use it.
You can't handle the truth.
Was just going to reply in the same vein but subtituting "hype your own wares" with "peddle your own crap", so thank you very much for saving me the bother Arkanes :)
It just stinks of 1984. Tell blatant lies enough and people just believe it even though they know its not true.
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
If SCO does end up prevailing at all in this circus, then I predict that someday musical instument makers, like say for example, Stienway Pianos, will claim that because you used one of their pianos to compose a song, then that song is automatically a "derivative work" of their I.P. and therefore you must pay license royalties back to them. Ditto for public performances played on the instruments. A portion of each concert ticket sold must be paid back to them, and free public performances would be outlawed because that would be "stealing potential revenue" from them.
Someday, you will have to agree to a usage rights control contract for everything you buy.
Somebody will patent some kind of registration system to track all kinds of usages of all these products and you're be required to be a member of that before you'll even be able permitted to purchase anything at all, and you'll actually not be purchaing anything, but rather leasing the temporary usage rights for a short term.
"It depends on what your definition of is is."
Now we're just splitting hairs...
Darl(21:50): It's reasonable, except when the comment codes are the same, the humor lines in the comment code are the same, and the typos in the comment code are the same, then you start getting beyond...
What the? Is that a Bible Verse? John (3:16), Darl (21:50).
I think SCO is right about this one. The eample below shows clearly a literal line by line copy of the original Unix-code, with just a modified lines. I can't tell you where I found these lines of code, otherwise the evidence will silently be removed ofcourse. int main(int argc, char *argv) { /* some obfuscated/rewritten code */
return 0;
}
What is it with you, PMS, or just life-style problems?
You can't handle the truth.
Considering the earlier story, I would have thought that they would have just claimed that this email was spam.
They could easily get rid of 90% of incriminating emails that way.
"No your honour, that isn't evidence of us being lying weasels, it is spam. By the way, do you want to En14rg3 yur p3ni5?"
feels like a childish game
SCO: "NO! It's MY fingerpainting, and he took it from me! Mine, mine, mine, mine!!!"
Parent: "Honey, it's not your fingerpainting, I saw him make it the other day. It doesn't even look like yours."
SCO: (hands over ears) "La La LA LA LA, I can't hear you, La La LA LA LA!!!!"
"/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit is a gimp plugin and must be run by the gimp in order to be used."
Go back to math class. A number mod 666 can never equal 666
Except for sufficiently large values of 665.9999999.....
Infuriate left and right
Back in 2002 there were still a lot of folks running Win98 on Laptops/Notebooks.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
But don't apply to my company as a C programmer any time soon.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Even *IF* we take the email as narrowly as possible and their original statements as loosely as possible, the email *still* contradicts findings of "line after line of identical code" that SCO was claiming at the outset. While the email alone doesn't invalidate their case, the fact that they have been lying through their teeth should.
These are not the copyright violations you are looking for.
SCO seem to have been saying some pretty weird stuff. And occasionally quite insulting stuff. They seem to be saying that Linux programmers deliberately copied SCO code and tried to hide the fact rather than accidentally copied it.
On the other hand, groklaw and Slashdot have hardly been impartial observers in this. They must have at least some sort of case for the trial to have got this far.
Perhaps we should ignore this public slagging match and let the kernel hackers rewrite the code that the court finds is infringing after the trial.
That phrase could also be used to sum up what SCO seems to be doing to try and spin this their way.
The simple fact is that politicians, Daryl, everybody and his dog lies when they can get away with it, because usually the truth requires more explanation. Much easier to say No than say something real.
... they can affect lots of little things, but not the big picture, that is controlled by Rove mostly.
Plus, people have no control over most of their lives. Buses on strike? Politicians starting wars? People simply have no control over that. Stock options, what a joke. Allegedly give people an incentive to work smarter and harder. Baldersash! The company's destiny is set by the CEO and COB and that's about it. Same with any company or government, only a very very few people have any real control.
Look at the US government. Suppose Rumsfeldt had actually tried to change anything -- he'd have been out on his ass so fast, just like Shimonoseki, who said he'd need several times as many troops for the occupation
People happen to have tons of common sense when it comes to their daily lives. Why worry about Rumsfeld's lies when you can't change a damn thing about them anyway? If people worried about every lying thieving politician and corporate officer, the world would stop dead in its tracks because nothing would ever get done.
Infuriate left and right
obviously this letter was written by Chubaka, he is a wookie ...
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
They looked.
They found nothing.
Nothing to see here except more lies. Move along.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
Some people might call this 'reverse gear', but they've given it a new name and managed to patent it as a business method.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
It is easy to tell which is the SCO fabrication -- the font size changes!!! It shrinks about 2 points.
Just stop talking about this crap and it will go away... nobody cares, there is nothing to see here, move on with your lives.
Mod: -5, Bush troll.
Additional Mod: -3 Probably Microsoft troll.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
Ah, of course, the wonderful world of "plausible deniability". Who'd of thought sco would resort to such a thing?
How many businesses have been harmed by SCO's miSCOnduct in the courts that diSCOuraged many potential customers from buying Linux based solutions? How many lawsuits could these businesses file to try to recover losses from this fiaSCO? What other smoking guns would these new suits diSCOver?
I, for one, would just like to be the one to eSCOrt Darl and the other SCOundrels and SCOfflaws to jail. But I'll just have to work, like everyone else, to just recover the SCOrched Linux landscape.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Please!
Do not insult wankers!
Actually, my mother used to do that, but not in a sandbox, fortunately.
NEWSFLASH: SCO today denied reports that they think the world is flat. In a statement issued by CEO Daryl Whats-his-face, the company suggested that they had only meant to say that there were certain parts of it that appeared to be flat. "This is fully within the parameters of linguistic theory," said Daryl. "We never meant to imply that it's ALL flat." Daryl refused to elaborate on which areas of the world he thought "looked" flat.
"Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
it was clinton's *personal life* he lied about, while bush tried to block human rights via a constitutional amendment, trumped the judiciary system blantantly, went into a war for the benefit of oil companies, relied on bad intelligence (at the least),and the list continues.
yes, that *is* worse.
My new blog
How many more stabs can SCO take before it falls? It doesnt even need people to stab it anymore, their stabbing themselves.
Is that really off-topic?
That comment has some relevance to the topic in hand, so by applying case law and using the BETAMAX case, that comment is not in fact off-topic because it has some relevance to the story discussed even if portion of it is not directly on-topic.
You can't handle the truth.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=5d&l=on&z=m &q=l&c=
Hot on the heels of yesterday's revelation that SCO's claims were outright lies, their stock started the day with a nose-dive to under 3.80
But since then, Microsoft (under cover of disguise) has poured more money into SCO's stock to give the appearance that the truth coming to light did not damage SCO.
I find that really funny, personally.
I hope Microsoft enjoys losing face and being laughed at like this.
It'll be REALLY funny when the ONLY people owning SCO stock are Microsoft and SCO files for chapter 11 protection.
I expect that it's only a matter of time before Microsoft cuts the mortally-wounded SCO loose and takes up another shell corporation to try this whole business again.
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
NO U
I thought that SCO was now claiming that it owned JFS and some other code that IBM wrote and put into AIX? Didn't SCO give up on the claim that UNIX code made it into Linux? Or have they forget what they have and have not said?
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
If you can put people in physco wards, why cant you put companies? Or at least the executives.
Bernie Ebbers
Unfortunately the "sorry bunch of wankers" is having a negative effect on Linux's reputation. Founded or not, their claims just add to the FUD that Microsoft puts out to combat Linux's spread, and it's having a significant effect.
"literal copying, which is not the standard for copyright violations, and which can be avoided by deliberate obfuscation"
This sounds like more of a patent issue but just becasue they did something in a certain way, it doesn't mean that they were the only ones who thought about doing it that way.
SCO seems like the old lady of the software industry who is bitter that she didn't manage to have a good working business model around Open Source.
He's not alone.
You'll get an offtopic from me every time I see your shit on Slashdot. That's a guarantee.
something from one of Douglas Adams books... sort of like - past future unperfect tense. Or something.
Be Obscure Clearly
There are visual errors in time as well as in space.
Sue SCO for emotional distress due to constantly laughing his ass off at them.
He'd have a better chance at winning that too than SCO ever will with their case.
You are who you are, let no one tell you different. But, never close your mind to a new point of view.
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber" -- Plato
First it was direct copied lines of code
Then it was JFS and other products that were integrated into Linux
Then it was something about IBM filtering ideas into Linux....
Now it's about someone else doing the same thing but in a completely different way?
I'm sorry, I've tried my very best to follow this, but I just can't for the life of me figure out what SCO is claiming now that IBM or Novel or RedHat or AutoZone did. They've changed their tune so many times I can't reven remember where it all started.
Is it just boiling down to SCO suing IBM because they contributed to a successful competitor?
I'm not familiar with the Linux kernel or libc, so here's the rest of the sections: curses (BSD code by Ken Arnold), termcap (BSD code), lpr (BSD code), groff and bison (FSF), and UUCP (Dave Taylor).
why exactly was the document sealed, anyway? And if I understand things correctly, isn't a sealed document in such a case still part of the discovery process, and handed to IBM's legal team?
In other words, while we're just now finding out about this, isn't it possible that all the players knew that this document existed? It may not be in the papers at large, or part of the daily press briefings, but someone on the defense was likely aware of it...
Daryl refused to elaborate on which areas of the world he thought "looked" flat.
That's an easy one to answer: the heads of his corporate board members. It's hard to find such mathematically perfect flatness in available surfaces.
[You have a stable society when some nut guns down a schoolyard and the law doesn't change.]
There's a huge distinction between copyright law as it applies to source code and patent law as it applies to software, and I suspect most of us do not group the two subjects together arbitrarily as you seem to be doing above.
Most of the open source programmers I know are quite respectful of copyright but quite skeptical about patent law relating to software.
Mainframe/UNIX Bit Twiddler and long time Windows/Linux Hobbyist.
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
You never know. There must be about 10000 people who have sent patches over 15 years. It is possible that one of them is an IBM/SGI/BSDI/whatever insider and just copied unixware and sent a patch. We cannot exclude this possibility.
/playing the devil's advocate to karma whore anonymously.
The thing is, SCO must tell which files this is about, so we can detect the person who did this (and is probably a person who lied in her resume as well), and have her both fired from her company and blocked out of the linux kernel development forever.
Fair is fair.
In a statement issued by CEO Daryl Whats-his-face,
We're on to you buddy, this is obviously obfuscation designed to hide your copyright infringement of the name McBride!
You agreed as part of the license to pay $xx for each copy of an executable you distributed. We are talking CP/M days here.
One of the reasons Microsoft was successful in this market, as was Borland, was that their licenses were royalty-free after they realized that this was a wedge issue to secure market share.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Here's what IBM apparently had to say when the 1999 email first surfaced in court:
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
It works best when coupled with misinformation. SCO has tried this as well. Unfortunately for SCO, the only people who are concerned about this are the tech people, and they are willing to call them on their BS.
There are lots of people who believe that we are in Iraq because of 9/11, but that doesn't make it so.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Normally I like to see the underdog put up a spirited fight. Normally I like to see Davids stand up to Goliaths.
In this case, I feel almost weasley, but at the same time I know I shouldn't...
I *WANT* to see the bug get crushed!
I *WANT* to see what happens when the biggest kid in class, trying to restrain himself from smashing the loudmouth punk, finally loses it and gets medieval.
I *WANT* to see the SEC investigate the crooks for this pump-and-dump sham.
Finally, I *SOOOOO WANT* to see Darl one day have to take a job as a janitor at OSDL.
Am I wrong for this?
In Corporate America, ... aw nevermind.
Darl McBride (May 1, 2003)
Darl McBride (May 30, 2003)
Darl McBride (August 18, 2003)
Darl McBride (August 21, 2003)
Chris Sontag (August 26, 2003)
Darl McBride (August 30, 2003)
Chris Sontag (September 2, 2003)
Blake Stowell (September 11, 2003)
Chris Sontag (October 8, 2003)
Darl McBride (November 28, 2003)
Blake Stowell (December 16, 2003)
Darl McBride (January 12, 2004)
Darl McBride (May 30, 2004)
Darl McBride 11/18/2003
Darl McBride 11/18/2003
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
"This memo shows that Mr. Davidson's e-mail is referring to an investigation limited to literal copying, which is not the standard for copyright violations, and which can be avoided by deliberate obfuscation, as the memo itself points out," the company continued. SCO also pointed out its legal wrangling with IBM dealt with more recent versions of the Linux code than were mentioned in the memo.
Forgetting the fact that Darl has publicly announced many times that literal copying is in Linux, SCO's current statement is still contradicted plainly in the email:
Of course SCO will probably now claim that "fuzzy matching" meant comparing furry code or some inane b.s. like that.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Notice that the Swartz memo defers accurate judgement to a guy who says there is no copying at all. See the previous Slashdot story.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
"Re:Denial. Brilliant!"
Ah.. that's what the commercial of IBM was all about.
"You're in denial"
"No, I'm not"
So Swartz is telling SCO management what they want to hear, and this is also what they expect everyone to take from this 1999 letter. That is that linux infringes on SCO's copyrights.
Now what SCO likely is hopeful nobody reads from the 1999 letter are the following statements from Swartz after stating his claims:
And most importantly:
So the claims Swartz makes in this "preliminary conclusion" seem rather harsh considering he doesn't know the history of the code which he finds suspect.
And then the clincher. When Mike Davidson comes back with the analysis Swartz is waiting on we get from Mike's follow up email in 2002:
So it becomes obvious from the 1999 letter and the 2002 email that while Swartz did find similar code between linux and SCO's Unix in the end when the findings were presented to the SCO Unix source code expert it was discovered that none of the similar code belonged to SCO and there were no copyright infringements in linux.
I must say, it was nice reading the actual emails instead of listening to the obfuscation of facts from the lawyers and the media.
burnin
To: SCO; From: Utah Subject: leave in peace Dear SCO, Please leave, you are an embarrassment to the state of Utah, and Corporate America in general. you're method of leaving is entirely in your hands, but incase your are so short-sited that you can't see your viable options (this seems a reasonable assumption as you obviously haven't been able to see your viable business options, thus you have resorted to being nothing more than a sue factory, again an embarrassment to the Utah/American legal system) your options are as follows: 1)Just go home, and don't show up for work. 2)Bankruptcy 3) sell your company that actually does business to a high bidder in this case that should be about 50.00, about 49.99 more than the company is worth I assure you 4) I hear antarctic is nice. Sincerely Utah
Ha! Darl is about to become prison-bitch to ex-Worldcom CEO Bernie Ebbers. It's going to be a joy for everyone when your ass gets sent to prison for this FRAUD! Have fun, douchebag!
/tinfoil hat ON
/TDf" at the "yacc" line? That's from a newer version of Word than was available in 1999? /tinfoil hat OFF
And another thing...the table at the end of the document. Notice that it doesn't have a title? Well, scroll on down to the next page. It has a title there! The title that should be at the start of the table? Almost like something has been removed, and Word has repositioned the table, but not the title?
And see that "Comment:
Ahhh...I'm being too skeptical, aren't I?
So that is where the Linux is Good for the Desktop came from... **DUCKS**
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
SCO accuses IBM lawyers of corrupting Judge: IBM: This isn't the code you're looking for. Judge: This isn't the code I'm looking for... IBM: We can go about our business. Judge: You can go about your business... IBM: McBride's got the body of a baltic hooker in his trunk...
Those who believe the Internet is private,
find their privates are on the Internet.
[i] Mod: -5, Bush troll. Additional Mod: -3 Probably Microsoft troll.[/i] Score:4, informative (also insightful) Today's Slashdot moderator IQ rating: roughly equivalent to that of a slightly-smarter-than-average walnut.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
Unfortunately the "sorry bunch of wankers" is having a negative effect on Linux's reputation. Founded or not, their claims just add to the FUD that Microsoft puts out to combat Linux's spread, and it's having a significant effect.
It did for the first 6 months of the case. But recent studies have shown that pretty much nobody cares about it any more; if anything, it's accelerated adoption, because the continuing lack of evidence from SCO is making Linux look more stable, not less.
So later he'll be able to tell the grand jury that he never actually mentioned McBride's name but referred to him only as Whats-his-face, the SCO CEO. And that it's only a crime if the CEO had been stationed overseas within the last five years.
Later he'll change that story to say he actually first got McBride's name from Robert Novak. And he'll keep stone-walling and changing the story hoping that the next Supreme Court nomination will take the heat off.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
I think it may have a positive effect. Everyone on /. knows from the start this was a BS case. OTOH the mainstream tech media didn't treat it like that at first. They were very supportive. They can't now turn around and say it was always a BS case. The impression that is going to be left on people is:
1) Linux has no copyright violations
2) Linux has no series patent violations
3) The GPL has been seriously tested in court and means what people think it means
I'm not sure this doesn't end up being a positive which helps Linux play down the damage when their is a real suit (particularly on issues 2 and 3).
Its worse than that. Think about what that memo means
In Aug 2003 a year after this was written SCO accepted money for "Linux licenses" which were protections for customers against copyright violations in Linux. If they knew such violations didn't exist then it seems to me
1) There is a misrepresentation of fact
2) The misrepresentation is intentional
3) The purpose was to induce payment
Unless they can find a further violation between 8/02 and 8/03 that's what's required for a DA to get involved.
Question! How about hold them responsible? Its now been shown that
In Aug 2003 a year after this was written SCO accepted money for "Linux licenses" which were protections for customers against copyright violations in Linux. They knew such violations didn't exist then it seems to me
1) There is a misrepresentation of fact
2) The misrepresentation is intentional
3) The purpose was to induce payment
Send Daryl to jail.
Who'd have ...
No, thats where Linux isn't ready for the desktop came from.
I get nothing to duck from!
Bob did not appear to remove any non-copyrightable items. His job was just to find similarities. He does defer to a copyright lawyer or Mr. Davidson. Davidson's response three years later says nothing incriminating was found.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I just finished writing void on the $699 check
insert inflammatory anti-microsoft comment here
It takes a lot of balls to deny your leg is caught in a trap, at a time when most would be chewing their leg off. Or else his CEO pay is tied to the selling price of SCO.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
WTF as it to do with Mircro$oft?!
:)
SCO can babble as long as they want, they obviously won't get anywhere. When they lose they'll have to pay the costs....heehee
I imagine that court room sounds something like this
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
Sorry, guys. I just couldn't remember the guy's name and had a major lazy attack.
"Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
Is there any chance this guy can be called to the stand and QUESTION what he meant? Instead of the lawyers saying it was "LITERAL"?
What that Didiot saw then?
"Might makes right" has been around for a lot longer than the general argument about people having fundamental rights.
It's part of the human condition to believe that power justifies.
14" long....
Right.
http://news.com.com/2100-1016-999371.html
So what happened to all of the "line-by-line" copying? C'mon Darl, it's either there or it isn't. You yourself said there is "line-by-line" copying of code. But now there is no "literal" copying of code, only obfuscated code.
Or does "line-by-line" somehow equate to something other than "literal"?
Daryl refused to elaborate on which areas of the world he thought "looked" flat.
That would be the Alps.
-
- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Daryl refused to elaborate on which areas of the world he thought "looked" flat.
That's an easy one to answer: the heads of his corporate board members. It's hard to find such mathematically perfect flatness in available surfaces.
Now that's funny. Maybe they can put some of that new Fujitsu electronic paper on their heads to display their latest claims. It uses little power, so their ears won't smoke from constantly changing their story.
3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
Um...I didn't think that through very well. My mistake.
Yep and Microsoft is having a a kick with it.
Go look at the red banner titled "Will my business be protected from an intellectual property dispute? ".
Last, all the companies that switched from Linux to Windows are mentioned on the bottom mostly due to legal issues. Assholes
It astounds me this is legal and MS is funding sco and all the studies yet is totally getting away with it.
Linux's reputation is damaged quite bad.
http://saveie6.com/
Actually Microsoft is siting partners who switched from Linux to Windows because of liability issues.
Go look at the red banner on the top titled "Will Linux protect my business in an I.P dispute?" on the site linked? It takes time for corporations to switch to different platforms and its picking up if you read slashdot alot. A see a ton of comments here about new IT policies forbidding gnu and migrations from Apache to IIS as a result of SCO and Microsoft's funding. MS has trained their salesteam as of recently to target CIO's directly with a whole bunch of scare material.
Microsoft salesmen today now have all glossy brochures and talk to the CIO's directly about the dangers of opensource and mention companies switching. Its having an effect now that MS has marketware material and statistics to show. When CIO's here liability they always blink and bend over.
http://saveie6.com/
Ues teh "Preivwe" butttno, yuo stpuid cutn.
Who's an angry little geek? You are. You are.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Get an actual job developing for embedded environments which don't upgrade to the latest version of a filthy commie compiler every time it comes out.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Some people just don't get "funny", do they?
Also. Funny mods should counter down-mods, even if they don't give positive karma, IMO.