These so called evil socialist countries meanwhile laugh at us while their death ages grow and do not worry about losing their retirement over a medical issue
The FACT is that women ruled tech jobs, until men decided they were too profitable for the little ladies and took over.
When did this occur? When did women stop dominating architecture or civil engineering? When did they stop being the majority of mathematicians and chemist?
I'm not making the argument that they didn't rule these fields because of biological differences, and it very well could be because of misogyny or sexism; but making shit up doesn't make you right.
What does that or radar labs in WW2 have to do with what I wrote or Google, other than reinforcing my point. Women weren't in those jobs not because they weren't capable, but because they weren't allowed.
Plenty. It also directly contradicts what you wrote in that first sentence.
Let's see. 1. Lady Lovelace ADA invented her own analytical machine after reading about Babbage and has a language named after her. 2. COBOL the first programming language was invented by a woman named Grace Hopper. 3. Katherine Johnson was a famous mathematician who pioneered early space flight at NASA with celestial navigation on the early primitive mainframes, 4.Kay McNulty Mauchly Antonelli was on the Univac project during World War II for the first electronic computers.
Lady Lovelace, Katherine Johnson, and Grace Hopper were not in wartime. There is also no evidence they were forced into the field either.
Here are is my citation? Different or not, biological unfit my ass!
I got involved in a female dominated career as a teacher in the last great recession when I.T. jobs dried up. I never recalled women saying I was biologically unit to work in the classroom. It seems it is only the other way around.
Plenty of men also work nursing in todays age as the job pays well and is more technical and challenging than it was in the 1950s.
I love how the social injustice warriors attempt to pick apart any study that shows sexism in tech, but when citations are made to opposite sources (see the anti diversity memo) no one of the SIW s here treat them as anything but gospel.
Double standards.
No quotation "...women are unfit for jobs in technology..". It is not the work but the conclusion that is offensive. THe fact so many were upset at this bothers me greatly.
My exgf ran out of IT and got a job in nursing. Not because she is biologically inferior to us males and loves nurturing, but because her team were assholes and her boss said she was never going to be promoted because she was a girl. Fuck that and I do not blame her for giving the finger and leaving. She had the best stats on her team and a male got promoted instead.
My exwife has a degree in mathematics and loves calculus. She is more than capable of having a job in engineering or technology. I have former coworkers who were in I.T. and female who told the shit they went through. One now owns her own company as she got tired of politics and this was her only way out.
I read also in artstechnica that bell labs back in the 1980s hired very smart people. True. Computer scientists got invited to work on Unix, C, AI, or with telecom switching technologies. The women with the PHDs? They were hired as the secretaries and assistants to the real boys etc. If Dennis Ritchie was born a girl she would be serving coffee and answering calls for Ken Thompson. Not co-writting C. Insulting? You bet.
I have no problem at all with the writings. Just the conclusion. Woman and men are more alike in lots of ways. Transgendered women after taking estrogen for several months can grow the exact same brain structures as biological women as well according to MRI. So emotional, needs, communication, and also eye hand cordination are the really only differences. As evident with hormone therapy.
There are actually few men and women that can assert their leadership without sounding stupid, or being assholes or bitches. You're making generalizations by saying women are all considered that way, it's just that the majority of people in higher positions tend to be that way.
About a month ago I read an article about a computer in an office breaking where 2 coworkers shared a PC until it was fixed.
The boss signed in with a female owned PC which had her sig in Outlook. People questioned his authority and were rude and were dicks where he had to prove he knew what the hell he was talking about. He was complexed and then figured it out.
As an experiment when his PC was restored and fixed she signed into his PC and used his sig. All of the sudden her job was 1000% easier and people right away didn't question her and assumed she knew what she was talking about.
When he was more demanding on why the customer immediately wanted to talk to her manager. While under the other profile the customers agree to talk on the phone etc.
He was shocked how sexist and different it was. Also my exgf started her career repairing fiber optic cable and did some networking. She was denied a promotion because she was a girl according to her manager. She quit and got into nursing. She was an intelligent an analytical woman but if she were born a man things would be different. So yes after speaking with women I am on their side on this.
Whether they think different or not does not mean one is inferior at all. Just because they are more nurturing and emotional doesn't mean they lack the intelligence or skills to perform the position and dictating this to women who work over at Google would boil my blood if I were born a woman.
So... stupid fucking conservatives try their best to destroy unions, and turn states into at-will-employment states, THEN when some inbred idiot gets fired for being an inbred idiot in that at-will-employment state... you bitch like little fucking children. Conservatives, more than anyone else, made firings like this possible. Want some cheese with your whine?
LOL. Awesome. Yep I am the pro business conservative here arguing and I get modded down. All I am saying is at work it is irrelevent whether you agree or disagree. You do not have free speech in the office PERIOD and HR and legal have guidelines to protect company image and liability of possible lawsuits.
Big companies get sued sooo often because they have big pockets and lots of people means lots of firings all the time. Of course some and actually in the case of Google sue. A company has a right to set tone and policy and statements.
I think if many slashdotters were born the female sex instead of male here and got discriminated against or not taken as seriously compared to a make counterpart I think the comments here would be quite different. Remember if you are dominate you get in trouble as a woman and are a bitch. As a guy you are bold and have leadership. It is a double standard
That seems harsh. Does this prove the part of his post about being scared to disagree?
Gee offended thousands of female employees, embarrassed the company in public, created a future hostile work environment lawsuit liabilities because it is now on public record what the firm thinks according to lawyers who will quote this, forced the CEO to end his vacation, and acted as a public spokesman without permission from Public Relations.
Yep sounds about right. If I said such a thing I would be fired. Especially public statements which my last 3 employers had me sign that I can't talk about work on social media.
You've got some nice language there and painting a "Them or Us" picture is always helpful to further discussion, right? Does one have to be a conservative to disagree with gender politics or the conclusions of what is sometimes called gender "science"? In many European countries there are bankers arguing for social democratic values (what is known in the English speaking world as socialism, never having experienced real existing socialism of course) and creating business models around their arguments.
Yes because you are being paid. Your right ends the moment you set your foot in the office and in return for that you receive a paycheck. You can have an opinion, but you better keep it to yourself and not create a hostile work environment or make your employer look bad. Shoot! My last 3 employers made me sign statements dictating the company owns my speech at the job and I am not entittled to discuss it in social media and need approval from Public Relations to do so outside of work as I could embarass the firm.
Gee where I am from if I create a hostile work environment I am fired on the bat. The explanation comes when HR tells me me what is going to happen next as security gets my things and I sign my walking papers.... oh and I would not receive a severance package either and would be denied unemployment benefits as that counts as misconduct. I think 90% of us would be treated this way and rightfully so.
If they guy is not terminated then a lawyer can say Google supports a hostile work environment... see look!... etc. Hence, why I would get my ass out the door.
> The memo has clearly impacted our co-workers, some of whom are hurting and feel judged based on their gender.
This is particularly disturbing. EVERYONE is judged based on everything, down to subconscious eye movement. Words do not equate to violence and being offended is not something to avoid at the cost of others. What shockingly ignorant, backward thinking set of concepts.
Thanks for trying to regress the culture. No less, from a company founded on the monetizing the populist search for knowledge.
How would you like someone to say this about your wife or gf? Wouldn't you be offended?
Yes he has free speech but that only means free from prosecution. It is unacceptable to create a hostile work environment and open your employer to frivilous lawsuits and ruin morale for the employees who work there. Don't like it? Tough, go create your own company.
You get paid to shut your mouth and give up liberteries 8 hours a day in exchange for a paycheck. That is capitalism my friend and life in the workforce.
I have been on work related travel in Africa and Europe the past couple of weeks and had just started my family vacation here this week. I have decided to return tomorrow as clearly there’s a lot more to discuss as a group — including how we create a more inclusive environment for all.
And now we know why he was fired: due to his rant the CEO had to cut short his holidays. This is definitely a firing offense.
Gee couldn't possibly be because of offending female employees and opening the firm to hostile work environment lawsuits? Even if the lawsuit is frivolous having a statement like that brings a lot of weight in court and makes a great lawyer speech.
By firing the employee the legal team for Google can now claim of course we are not hostile that is why we fired him etc.
ESET has a strong American presence in San Diego and their NOD32 anti virus is commonly shipped with Cisco secure link or whatever the heck their VPN solution is called now (my university 8 years ago used it where I used NOD32 from eset as requirement for their wifi network).
ESET is far from a questionable source as I had a job interview with them to work with a managed service provider.
Needless to say most AV software including ESET blocks all bitcoin mining software by default as well. It is annoying as even Chrome won't let me download cgminer where I used to use IE to access it (oh the irony).
It seems improving means better phones with better battery life. PCs are booring like how kids in the 1980s snubbed their noses at Mainframes and DECs even though nerds at that time debated big iron and mainframes were the wave of the future and cool etc.
It seems crappy no name phones can last for many days without a recharge. Not same with heavy smart phones.
More transistors due jack with the x86 which is why INtel and AMD are trying cores. Intel gave up on this as they are afraid once people upgrade to a faster CPU they won't upgrade again. They had an internal 80 core x86 for graphics but cancelled it to preserve sales since they no longer have competition.
AMD may put this back as finally a $3000 desktop can compete with a cell phone (my Nexus 6P has more cores than the i7 I am typing this on which is ridiculous )
What is getting ahead is fast storage but they are all illegally colluding to raise prices together claiming we are busy switching to 3drand... for the past 2 years. Hard drive makers did this for 2 years after that flood in Thailand and now are doing the same iwth SSD to keep prices high. Once the government stops them and they compete we will see reason to upgrade with USB type C and faster SSDs with more storage.
Until Ryzen takes over and 6 to 8 cores and hyper-threaded goodness become standard then why bother optimizing?
It's important not to conflate average numbers on Steam versus what your game's particular demographic tends to use. When you say "Steam gamers", for instance, that's pretty much meaningless, as it's just an average across a *very* wide swath of gamers and gaming hardware.
The latest AAA games will not simply not run well on a dual core laptop with 4GB of RAM and an integrated Intel GPU. The target audience for those types of games tends to be someone who has a moderately powerful desktop machine or a *very* beefy laptop. Those machines are likely to have 4 cores and eight hardware threads at *minimum*. So, threading optimization is obviously very much worthwhile for these types of games.
Now that I've gone indie (I left my professional job about four years ago), my own game's target hardware is much more modest. So, in that case, I don't have to put in the same degree of optimization effort in my own engine as large studios do, since I'm a one man studio and can't put in the resources they do. There are plenty of older or lightweight indie games that those WalMart laptops will run just fine.
In short, it really all depends on your game's minimum requirements and intended target audience.
Cool thanks for answering my question. Curious if you own an AMD ryzen for your work or plan too if you do not mind me asking:-)
I want AMD to succeed and wish they had better gaming performance for IPC per core. But hey for running Vms at my job they are great lol.
I seem to have had this discussion about just about everything in computing since the mid 1990s, the difference being most people found a situation where more than a single thread worked. You've given some examples yourself about multi-threading. I know that games are pretty well all about state but that doesn't mean some tasks can't be done with in parallel. You mentioned physics - consider how that's simulated in the numerical computing world and how some game engines are dealing with it in a similar way. Many problems in a simulation do seem to be highly parallel if more than a tiny area is modelled.
Did you just read his post? He is a game developer. What I wonder and perhaps grand parent could answer is if the problem is also not difficulty but rather most gamers still used 2 core cpus just 18 months ago on Steam survey? If some still have core2dio and cheap AMD dualcore Walmart special laptops to i5's then is it economical to parallel painstakingly code anyway?
Until Ryzen takes over and 6 to 8 cores and hyper-threaded goodness become standard then why bother optimizing?
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These so called evil socialist countries meanwhile laugh at us while their death ages grow and do not worry about losing their retirement over a medical issue
Why are you letting off steam? Did a woman run over your dog?
The FACT is that women ruled tech jobs, until men decided they were too profitable for the little ladies and took over.
When did this occur? When did women stop dominating architecture or civil engineering? When did they stop being the majority of mathematicians and chemist?
I'm not making the argument that they didn't rule these fields because of biological differences, and it very well could be because of misogyny or sexism; but making shit up doesn't make you right.
What does that or radar labs in WW2 have to do with what I wrote or Google, other than reinforcing my point. Women weren't in those jobs not because they weren't capable, but because they weren't allowed.
Plenty. It also directly contradicts what you wrote in that first sentence.
Let's see.
1. Lady Lovelace ADA invented her own analytical machine after reading about Babbage and has a language named after her.
2. COBOL the first programming language was invented by a woman named Grace Hopper.
3. Katherine Johnson was a famous mathematician who pioneered early space flight at NASA with celestial navigation on the early primitive mainframes,
4.Kay McNulty Mauchly Antonelli was on the Univac project during World War II for the first electronic computers.
Lady Lovelace, Katherine Johnson, and Grace Hopper were not in wartime. There is also no evidence they were forced into the field either.
Here are is my citation? Different or not, biological unfit my ass!
I got involved in a female dominated career as a teacher in the last great recession when I.T. jobs dried up. I never recalled women saying I was biologically unit to work in the classroom. It seems it is only the other way around.
Plenty of men also work nursing in todays age as the job pays well and is more technical and challenging than it was in the 1950s.
I did the same with a stepson. He too wants to be an artist or musician
I love how the social injustice warriors attempt to pick apart any study that shows sexism in tech, but when citations are made to opposite sources (see the anti diversity memo) no one of the SIW s here treat them as anything but gospel.
Double standards.
No quotation "...women are unfit for jobs in technology ..". It is not the work but the conclusion that is offensive. THe fact so many were upset at this bothers me greatly.
My exgf ran out of IT and got a job in nursing. Not because she is biologically inferior to us males and loves nurturing, but because her team were assholes and her boss said she was never going to be promoted because she was a girl. Fuck that and I do not blame her for giving the finger and leaving. She had the best stats on her team and a male got promoted instead.
My exwife has a degree in mathematics and loves calculus. She is more than capable of having a job in engineering or technology. I have former coworkers who were in I.T. and female who told the shit they went through. One now owns her own company as she got tired of politics and this was her only way out.
I read also in artstechnica that bell labs back in the 1980s hired very smart people. True. Computer scientists got invited to work on Unix, C, AI, or with telecom switching technologies. The women with the PHDs? They were hired as the secretaries and assistants to the real boys etc. If Dennis Ritchie was born a girl she would be serving coffee and answering calls for Ken Thompson. Not co-writting C. Insulting? You bet.
I have no problem at all with the writings. Just the conclusion. Woman and men are more alike in lots of ways. Transgendered women after taking estrogen for several months can grow the exact same brain structures as biological women as well according to MRI. So emotional, needs, communication, and also eye hand cordination are the really only differences. As evident with hormone therapy.
Have to plan ahead.
And use a service account or root if it is unix naming it after something sounding technical and legit.
At the risk of replying to myself, I just went and looked and rsync has had using ssh as the default config for 13 years now...
PHB: It works. Leave it alone
I am surprised the researcher wasn't arrested as this is what corporations typically do these days according to what I read here
It is. I read here system administrators ban then from their networks due to them allowing anyone to buy a cert with phisy websites.
There are actually few men and women that can assert their leadership without sounding stupid, or being assholes or bitches. You're making generalizations by saying women are all considered that way, it's just that the majority of people in higher positions tend to be that way.
About a month ago I read an article about a computer in an office breaking where 2 coworkers shared a PC until it was fixed.
The boss signed in with a female owned PC which had her sig in Outlook. People questioned his authority and were rude and were dicks where he had to prove he knew what the hell he was talking about. He was complexed and then figured it out.
As an experiment when his PC was restored and fixed she signed into his PC and used his sig. All of the sudden her job was 1000% easier and people right away didn't question her and assumed she knew what she was talking about.
When he was more demanding on why the customer immediately wanted to talk to her manager. While under the other profile the customers agree to talk on the phone etc.
He was shocked how sexist and different it was. Also my exgf started her career repairing fiber optic cable and did some networking. She was denied a promotion because she was a girl according to her manager. She quit and got into nursing. She was an intelligent an analytical woman but if she were born a man things would be different. So yes after speaking with women I am on their side on this.
Whether they think different or not does not mean one is inferior at all. Just because they are more nurturing and emotional doesn't mean they lack the intelligence or skills to perform the position and dictating this to women who work over at Google would boil my blood if I were born a woman.
Yeah yeah aggressive asshole male bosses are hugely popular with everyone.
Why don't ask these ladies what it is like working in the I.T. industry before making a generalization?
I think if slashdotters going crazy should hear the other argument before going on how evil Google is?
Workers have no rights! Down with freedom of speech and freedom of conscience! Now get to work, you filthy miserable serf. Fuck you prole, that's why.
Self described "progressives" sure do love the worst aspects of capitalism.
Haha I am the conservative here. You are the one defending free speech you are the liberal.
I take it you have never owned a business or have been involved with a frivolous lawsuit before?
So... stupid fucking conservatives try their best to destroy unions, and turn states into at-will-employment states, THEN when some inbred idiot gets fired for being an inbred idiot in that at-will-employment state... you bitch like little fucking children. Conservatives, more than anyone else, made firings like this possible. Want some cheese with your whine?
LOL. Awesome. Yep I am the pro business conservative here arguing and I get modded down. All I am saying is at work it is irrelevent whether you agree or disagree. You do not have free speech in the office PERIOD and HR and legal have guidelines to protect company image and liability of possible lawsuits.
Big companies get sued sooo often because they have big pockets and lots of people means lots of firings all the time. Of course some and actually in the case of Google sue. A company has a right to set tone and policy and statements.
I think if many slashdotters were born the female sex instead of male here and got discriminated against or not taken as seriously compared to a make counterpart I think the comments here would be quite different. Remember if you are dominate you get in trouble as a woman and are a bitch. As a guy you are bold and have leadership. It is a double standard
That seems harsh. Does this prove the part of his post about being scared to disagree?
Gee offended thousands of female employees, embarrassed the company in public, created a future hostile work environment lawsuit liabilities because it is now on public record what the firm thinks according to lawyers who will quote this, forced the CEO to end his vacation, and acted as a public spokesman without permission from Public Relations.
Yep sounds about right. If I said such a thing I would be fired. Especially public statements which my last 3 employers had me sign that I can't talk about work on social media.
You've got some nice language there and painting a "Them or Us" picture is always helpful to further discussion, right? Does one have to be a conservative to disagree with gender politics or the conclusions of what is sometimes called gender "science"? In many European countries there are bankers arguing for social democratic values (what is known in the English speaking world as socialism, never having experienced real existing socialism of course) and creating business models around their arguments.
Yes because you are being paid. Your right ends the moment you set your foot in the office and in return for that you receive a paycheck. You can have an opinion, but you better keep it to yourself and not create a hostile work environment or make your employer look bad. Shoot! My last 3 employers made me sign statements dictating the company owns my speech at the job and I am not entittled to discuss it in social media and need approval from Public Relations to do so outside of work as I could embarass the firm.
Gee where I am from if I create a hostile work environment I am fired on the bat. The explanation comes when HR tells me me what is going to happen next as security gets my things and I sign my walking papers. ... oh and I would not receive a severance package either and would be denied unemployment benefits as that counts as misconduct. I think 90% of us would be treated this way and rightfully so.
If they guy is not terminated then a lawyer can say Google supports a hostile work environment ... see look! ... etc. Hence, why I would get my ass out the door.
> The memo has clearly impacted our co-workers, some of whom are hurting and feel judged based on their gender.
This is particularly disturbing. EVERYONE is judged based on everything, down to subconscious eye movement.
Words do not equate to violence and being offended is not something to avoid at the cost of others.
What shockingly ignorant, backward thinking set of concepts.
Thanks for trying to regress the culture. No less, from a company founded on the monetizing the populist search for knowledge.
How would you like someone to say this about your wife or gf? Wouldn't you be offended?
Yes he has free speech but that only means free from prosecution. It is unacceptable to create a hostile work environment and open your employer to frivilous lawsuits and ruin morale for the employees who work there. Don't like it? Tough, go create your own company.
You get paid to shut your mouth and give up liberteries 8 hours a day in exchange for a paycheck. That is capitalism my friend and life in the workforce.
I have been on work related travel in Africa and Europe the past couple of weeks and had just started my family vacation here this week. I have decided to return tomorrow as clearly there’s a lot more to discuss as a group — including how we create a more inclusive environment for all.
And now we know why he was fired: due to his rant the CEO had to cut short his holidays. This is definitely a firing offense.
Gee couldn't possibly be because of offending female employees and opening the firm to hostile work environment lawsuits? Even if the lawsuit is frivolous having a statement like that brings a lot of weight in court and makes a great lawyer speech.
By firing the employee the legal team for Google can now claim of course we are not hostile that is why we fired him etc.
I KNow! Since Obama was elected look at what happened to the USA!!! ... oh wait a minute?
Sorry enough right wing rhetoric. All of scary and evil socialist Europe is not turning into Venezuela either so your argument is mute
ESET has a strong American presence in San Diego and their NOD32 anti virus is commonly shipped with Cisco secure link or whatever the heck their VPN solution is called now (my university 8 years ago used it where I used NOD32 from eset as requirement for their wifi network).
ESET is far from a questionable source as I had a job interview with them to work with a managed service provider.
Needless to say most AV software including ESET blocks all bitcoin mining software by default as well. It is annoying as even Chrome won't let me download cgminer where I used to use IE to access it (oh the irony).
It's just what security software does.
Intel is preferred still where gamers rejected Ryzen for i7's and even the older FX series! AMD's marketshare plummets as soon as Ryzen comes out :-(
So I think Intel must be doing something right as gamers feel AMD sucks for games and has a bad brand name attached compared to Intel/Nvidia.
It seems improving means better phones with better battery life. PCs are booring like how kids in the 1980s snubbed their noses at Mainframes and DECs even though nerds at that time debated big iron and mainframes were the wave of the future and cool etc.
It seems crappy no name phones can last for many days without a recharge. Not same with heavy smart phones.
More transistors due jack with the x86 which is why INtel and AMD are trying cores. Intel gave up on this as they are afraid once people upgrade to a faster CPU they won't upgrade again. They had an internal 80 core x86 for graphics but cancelled it to preserve sales since they no longer have competition.
AMD may put this back as finally a $3000 desktop can compete with a cell phone (my Nexus 6P has more cores than the i7 I am typing this on which is ridiculous )
What is getting ahead is fast storage but they are all illegally colluding to raise prices together claiming we are busy switching to 3drand ... for the past 2 years. Hard drive makers did this for 2 years after that flood in Thailand and now are doing the same iwth SSD to keep prices high. Once the government stops them and they compete we will see reason to upgrade with USB type C and faster SSDs with more storage.
Until Ryzen takes over and 6 to 8 cores and hyper-threaded goodness become standard then why bother optimizing?
It's important not to conflate average numbers on Steam versus what your game's particular demographic tends to use. When you say "Steam gamers", for instance, that's pretty much meaningless, as it's just an average across a *very* wide swath of gamers and gaming hardware.
The latest AAA games will not simply not run well on a dual core laptop with 4GB of RAM and an integrated Intel GPU. The target audience for those types of games tends to be someone who has a moderately powerful desktop machine or a *very* beefy laptop. Those machines are likely to have 4 cores and eight hardware threads at *minimum*. So, threading optimization is obviously very much worthwhile for these types of games.
Now that I've gone indie (I left my professional job about four years ago), my own game's target hardware is much more modest. So, in that case, I don't have to put in the same degree of optimization effort in my own engine as large studios do, since I'm a one man studio and can't put in the resources they do. There are plenty of older or lightweight indie games that those WalMart laptops will run just fine.
In short, it really all depends on your game's minimum requirements and intended target audience.
Cool thanks for answering my question. Curious if you own an AMD ryzen for your work or plan too if you do not mind me asking :-)
I want AMD to succeed and wish they had better gaming performance for IPC per core. But hey for running Vms at my job they are great lol.
I seem to have had this discussion about just about everything in computing since the mid 1990s, the difference being most people found a situation where more than a single thread worked. You've given some examples yourself about multi-threading.
I know that games are pretty well all about state but that doesn't mean some tasks can't be done with in parallel. You mentioned physics - consider how that's simulated in the numerical computing world and how some game engines are dealing with it in a similar way. Many problems in a simulation do seem to be highly parallel if more than a tiny area is modelled.
Did you just read his post? He is a game developer. What I wonder and perhaps grand parent could answer is if the problem is also not difficulty but rather most gamers still used 2 core cpus just 18 months ago on Steam survey? If some still have core2dio and cheap AMD dualcore Walmart special laptops to i5's then is it economical to parallel painstakingly code anyway?
Until Ryzen takes over and 6 to 8 cores and hyper-threaded goodness become standard then why bother optimizing?