While I agree with a lot of what you say, I think your analogy is a bit flawed.
When a script kiddie breaks into your system could it not also be like someone entering your house (or business) through an open door and using all the tools (the phone, for instance) in your house to call up old ladies and defraud them of their life savings? Open door or not, in most common law countries, entering someone's house without permission to commit a crime is still break and enter (and at the very least trespass). Does that mean that people who left the door open are liable for having their home burglarized? What if the door was not open, just unlocked? Or locked but the key hidden under the mat? See what I mean.
In a real court of law, I suspect Bert would be seen as a victim as well and thus not held liable. Al maybe liable if he told Bert that the box was secure when in fact it wasn't (to follow my analogy, the lock company that installed a defective deadbolt could probably get sued). And I don't think there is any legal ground for holding me even partly responsible if a third party uses my property (phone, car, what ever) to commit a crime. In my above example, I could not be held liable even in civil court for the losses of the bilked old ladies.
The "law" probably won't work in this case.
That's not to say that that security isn't every sysadmin's responisiblity. But if I leave my door open I shouldn't be surprised if I'm burglarized. And my niegbours won't talk to me or do business with me if they get affected by it.
Go to the Toronto Star and do a Search...these stories were front page news up here for a few weeks.
As for massive gas taxes, the studies in fact do include them. They also include Health insurance premiums (average about $500 US per month for a family of 4) which we do not have to pay (social, UNIVERSAL, government-run health care - a thing of beauty). We also have very little or no user fees for many local and provincial government services. And I pay the same amount of tax whether I live in Downtown Toronto or in Wiarton, Ontario. Ask somebody form Philly about the 6% city tax just for living in the city. Add that onto a state sales tax and you pretty much have the equivilent of a "VAT" (we call it a GST - goods and services tax of 8% and PST - provincial sales tax of 7 % in Ontario - oh, and not everything, like food and diapers and such, is taxed). I've been to many US cities and grew up on the border with Michigan and I'm familiar with the quality of your infrastructure - roads, sewers, police etc.
My point is the same as my previous post - I may pay a little more tax but I get a hell of a lot of services.
Just thought you'd like to know. You can take that silly bumper sticker off your car now (Yes I live in Barrhaven too!).
Undemocratic? Did you ever think that we are in the "Thrall of third way socialist thugs" because the people of Canada vote for them? With an average 75% voter turnout, I'd say we are more democratic than the US.
..and as a matter of fact I DO vote for the NDP!
If you like the US so much, feel free to immagrate. I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms - After marrying an American and having 2 children by him, you should probably only have to wait 30 months to get your green card (as my sister did - she's still waiting for that green card).
Why haven't you moved tio your capitalist paradise yet?
Actually, swine, some studies late last year showed that the tax rate between the US and Canada for people making under 60k (read - the vast majority of folks in both countries) is almost identical (Canada having a 1-2% greater rate). And we have a large safe tolerant country voted #1 by the UN for 7 years running. Where does the US rank? 15? or 20?
While I agree wih everything you said, I think we should warn the readers that Toronto is the Town to live in if your a "Single". The cost of housing and rental is outrageous if you have a family.
I lived in TO for 9 years and although I had a lot of fun, living in Ottawa is much more affordable. For What I paid in rent for a 800 square foot 2-bed room apt on the 20th floor at Yonge and Eglington (almost the dead centre of the city), I now own my own 1500 square foot three bedroom three bath home on a 125 x 60 lot in Ottawa - Principal, interest, taxes AND utilities. And we can afford it on one salary (mid 50s) so my wife can stay home with our daughter past the 6 months mandated maternity leave (she really wants to).
So I agree Toronto is great for the Swinging-Single-Geek, Ottawa is the best for the Family-Oriented-Geek.
Actually, to dispell a few myth for our American Cousins, anywhere in Canada is good. We are #1 in the world in living standard and quality of life, according to the UN (7th year running). Too many taxes you say? Well, we have one of the safest countries in the world, we don't have to pay separate health insurance or unemployment insurance, and many of our government services are free, maturnity leave is now 1 year long @ 53% of your gross. Now take your taxes, health insurance premiums, user fees for government services and add them up. Our so-called "land of high taxes" doesn't look so bad now does it?
But I digress (can you tell tommorow is Canada Day?).
Gee, someone should make this into a beer commercial...
OK, the tax rate of 54% only counts if you make over $64k. Tack on child tax credits and loopholes for things like RRSPs (401-k for our US readers) and you pay nowhere near that. Most Canadians pay on average of about 27%, usually automatically deducted off their paychecks so they never see it anyway. For this they also get very good health care for free (even if the waits have been getting longer), excellecnt roads (been driving in Michigan or NY lately? The roads are terrible) and safe cities and towns to live in (the entire country, with a population of 30 million, had less murdcers last year than the city of Washington DC, with a population less than one-tenth that).
Besides, according to a recent study I saw in the Toronto Star, if you take into account having to pay for private health insurance and private unemployment insurance, the myrad of state and local users fees and levies, the average tax burden in the US and Canada is about equal.
As for the best doctors, I guess you've never been to "Hospital Row" in Toronto, where some of the WORLD's best doctors work.
And perhaps you should add to you list of companies the likes of Nortel Networks (Ottawa based) Seagrams (Hamilton Based)...oops sorry they are examples Canadian companies based in Canada making billions despite being in Canada. I guess that whole "Canadians pay too much in taxes so they can't support mega corporations" is a bit false.
As for "social service freebies" well that's easy - given the choice of going to Mass General in Boston to get my broken nose fixed and Ottawa Civic, I'll take the Civic. I would rather wait 3 hours to get fixed up no questions asked, no credit cards and no worries about not having enough of the right kind of coverage than get service in 30 minutes and end up paying $1000 US for 5 stiches and a few band-aids.
When ever I pay 15% sales tax, I look at my Ontario Health card and remember that I get what I pay for. And I gladly pay it.
(As I said, the US pays about the same except there coverage is not universal)
Uhm, The post - office is run by the Federal Government, dolt. It's never had the NDP as its bosses (yet) - just Conservatives and Liberals. Also, It's a Crown Corporation that's been making money for over 5 years now.
Maybe if the NDP ran it in the first place there would have been no anti-trust to procecute...but I digress
Here's my letter which I sent to Scott Miller of Apogee complaining about their licence:
> So let me get this right...If I go on to your site, see some screen > shots of Duke Nukem XXX. If I then go onto Slashdot and say > "That new Duke Nukem looks like crap. I would never play such a terrible > game. Here's the link, what do you think?" you can sue me? ( I have > just used one of you "marks" in a "negative context" on a "BBS or Chat > room" haven't I? > Fascinating... > > Well, I have bad news for you..UCITA has no jusridiction outside of the > US so you may have trouble enforcing your "copyright" Globally. > > Your licence is ridiculous. > > >
His response:
>>> Fascinating...
What's truly fascinating is how people can read their own evil meanings into stuff like this. As a lawyer once told me: Everyone thinks they understand law...it's no wonder attorneys get any business at all!
Have a nice day!;-)
Scott Miller Apogee Software, Ltd. and 3D Realms Entertainment http://www.3drealms.com ==========================
So it appears Apogees' point man for questions and complaints (his e-mail was at the bottom of the "licence") doesn't take this seriously. Perhaps he needs a few more questions asked of him (Slashdot interview?). I'll admit my question was inflamatory but after reading that "licence" I was pissed. And with no "Accept/do not accept" buttons I didn't know how else to let them know how I felt.
Someone else been able to get a straight answer from them?
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Wow, sounds to me like Radovan Karadzic and Radko Mladic have a great defence. I wonder why they won't go to face those charges in the Hague? or Slobo? If his country is as domocratic as you say, why has B92 and other opposition voices been silenced?
Just because they haven't found them yet, doesn't mean they are not there. As Carla De Ponte said in the article you quote "Our job is to gather evidence not take a census of the dead".
Nearly 6 years after the end of the war in Bosnia, the war crimes tribunal is still finding mass graves, some with as many as 2500 people in them (search CNN for the story last week). So since those graves weren't found in the first year after the war they didn't happen?
Give me a break. I have not reconsidered my views.
The government sanctioned murder of ANYONE base on their ethnicity, be it 100, 10 000 or 10 million people is wrong.
Does the UN/ NATO need a lot more resources to police the province? Hell yes. Does that mean they are on the side of the KLA (who I agree are terrorist and thugs)? No.
Read my sig. Get a clue
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Well, perhaps it hasn't reached the land of the AC yet. US satellite photos from Bosnia show that the Serbs exhuumed many mass graves around Sreberniza after the war was over in 95 in order to cover up the massacres, to hide the evidence. This was admitted into evidence at the War Crimes Tibunal in the Hague last week at the trial of one of the generals involved in the massacre.
Besides, even if "some" of the photos were faked by a German General (how ironic) that in no way negates the truth about what has and still is happening in the Balkans at the hands of fanatical Serb Facists (Please take this in the way it is intended...The Serbs as a people are not facists. This comment is directed at those Serbs, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo, who happily took part in the repression and killing of their fellow citizens based solely on nationality or religion. Some Bosnians and Croats aren't much better, but at the moment most of the atrocities seem to be commited by Serbs or in response to atrocities commited by Serbs).
If All are faked, why has an International War Crimes Tribunal indicted most of the Serb leader ship, both military and civillian from both Bosnia and Serbia proper? As a matter of Fact, why does the Tribunal even exist?
Read my sig...get a clue. Don't be an apologist for evil.
You are one of the first posts here that has made any sense. Where are those moderator points!!!
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Alex, so long as mass graves keep being found in Kosovo and Bosnia, and as long as Radko Mladic and hsi henchmen still walk free, I have no sympathy for Serbs who whine about not getting the govenment TV station. To downplay the role Milosovic and Serbia had in genocide through out the Balkans in the name of Serb nationalism, just to show how some innocent civilian were hurt in the cross fire is missing the point.
The Serbs have the government they deserve. If they don't get rid of it, by any means nessesary, then they are just as culpable through in-action as the Serb police who lined up Muslim men and women and shot them into ditches.
Sure there are a lot of Mexicans in Texas, but I don't remember too many of them being gunned down systematically by the Texas Rangers. And if it ever does happen, I hope the rest of the world DOES bomb the US and occupy Texas.
I know, I know...I was just hoping an somebody else would win. Tom Long is the scariest of the lot...And I can't stand Mike Harris either. He ranks up there with Ralph Klein.
The best thing Mike Harris ever did was make Bob Rae look good.
I did not mean to imply that ALL Albertans are racists or rednecks, just the ones who are gung ho about Reform/Alliance (my wife is from Calgary BTW).
Why you may ask? When at a Reform party convention a few years ago, a delagate stood up, and told the room in A THICK SCOTTISH BROGUE that the big problem in Canada was 'immigration', I got the message real quick (his problem was with 'immigration' from places where the people are, shall we say, of a different hue and texture than he). Worse, everyone in the room nooded in agreement or applauded.
Even Preston Manning has admitted that the party attracts extremists. How many Liberals, Conservatives, BQ or NDP members have been kicked out of their party for racist remarks? Now how many from the Reform/Alliance? I thought so...(BTW a few Hertitage Front members in Toronto actually joined the Ontario Wing of the Reform Party because they thought it was a good place to be!!)
Sorry I threw the whole Alberta name in there. I could just as easily said Ontario (Tom Long). It's not the part of the country that bothers me so, its the ultra-conservative politics (I don't like Mike Harris or Bill VanderZalm or Ralph Klien for the same reasons).
Now, given all that, please take my previous statement as a direct reference to Ralph Klein et al (who, in my opinion are racist, rednecks and are in fact from Alberta) not to the people of Alberta.
Do me one favour...don't turn a blind eye to the seedier, unpleasant, extremist side of Alliance just becasue you want better representation from the west. You just might get what you vote for.
Alliance: get rid of gun control (make Toronto more like Detriot), destroy (privatized/ two-tier) our healthcare system, outlaw abortion (ask Tom Long), get rid of any other right or program which gets in the way of their backers (see Conrad Black) from making obscene amounts of money.
I don't want any Alberta racist rednecks running my country and destroying everything it stands for just to become more like the US.
I'd even go so far as to vote for Brian Mulroney again rather than give those idiots a chance. Hell I'd even vote for the Bloc before I'd vote for any of them.
Actually, 'This Hour has 22 Minutes' made a good point about a month ago about the whole Jane Stewart thing...most of the money disappeared/was misappropriated/given away when Pierre Petigrew was the Minister. Now I beleive he's the Minister in charge of Industry. Jane Stewart walked in (las t aug I beleive), was told by Sr. bureaucrats everthing was OK and them had to face the music when it wasn't.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. It doesn't matter wether I beleive or trust Jane Stewart...Peirre Petigrew may come back or, God Forbid, the 'Alliance' forms the next government. Someone I definitely don't trust could take over in the future. Therefore nobody should beable to access this information.
(PS for all the Canadians reading this, if you don't think the likes of Tom "Sieg Hiel!" Long or Preston Manning wouldn't like to get their hands on this info, your sadly mistaken. The 'Alliance' Facists would be way worse than simply incompetent Liberals)
Ever heard of the Resistance? They did quite well in France and especially in Italy (where they caught and hung Mussilini before any "regualar" army got there).
You'd be surprised what some "ordinary" European citizens did without some "general" telling them what to do.
Weren't some of those generals also Russian/Soviet?
Get off your high horse, yank - thanks for the help and all but the Brits and the Commonwealth (Canada, India, Aus etc)and the various undergrounds could still have won, it just would have taken a little longer (ok, a lot longer). Dieppe and Normandy aside, the Russians/Soviets did a lot more to defeat the Axis (manpower wise).
This whole "American Cavalry" riding in to save Europe at the last minute is BS. A lot of other countries did a lot of fighting long before anyone even heard of Pearl Harbour.
Haven't heard of the raid on Dieppe? Look it up sometime and see what 5000 Canadians did to win the war. Pay close attention to how the US reported it as a great American victory when there were only 150 US Army Rangers there (BTW, it wasn't a "victory" in any sense of the word). Look for references to the South Saskatchewan Rifles.
My Grandfather was at war fighting while yours was making big bucks off selling us the ammo.
Uhm, actually, according to the UN, CANADA has the highest quality of life (for example, living standards, equality etc) in the world. Followed by Sweden,Denmark, Japan...(the order may be wrong). Canada has held this distinction 5 times in the last 7 years, usually falling to 2nd (behind Sweden) when it isn't number 1. I believe the US ranked about 15 or 16, mainly due to the gap between rich and poor and the violent penchant of many of the citizens who did not attend the Million Mom March.
As for God fearing "peace and tolerance" well perhaps you should ask the Lakota Souix (sp?) or perhaps the Beotuks of Newfoundland what they think of your bible thumping "peace and tolerance" - oops can't! The Beotuks were completely wiped out in a mass genocide about 150 years ago because they would not convert to Christianity. There are none left. This is not something we in Canada are proud of, but at least we admit it to be true (PS we haven't broken any treaties we signed with the natives...how about you?).
No-one uses Hectares, centilitres or torr. Also no one uses league, furlong or stone any more either. Even in those countries who deviate from the SI naming convention norm, a metre is still a metre (100 centimetres, 1000 milimetres) etc.
How many feet in a mile? How many inches in a yard? Convert yards to feet? Miles to yards? Gallons to Quarts? (trick question...is that US gallons or Imperial gallons (one is bigger you know)?).
Now try the same with metric. Why how easy, all multiples of ten! No memorizing bizarre conversion factors or numbers, just basic mutliples of 10 (that means adding 0's or moving the decimal point, in case you don't know what a multiple of ten is).
All that internal consistancy you are so proud of didn't stop that Mars mission from crashing now did it.
BTW the metric house is in order and has been for 200 years. Only the US still uses the old imperial system..kinda ironic for the country that separated from England at about the time metric was invented.
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While I agree with a lot of what you say, I think your analogy is a bit flawed.
When a script kiddie breaks into your system could it not also be like someone entering your house (or business) through an open door and using all the tools (the phone, for instance) in your house to call up old ladies and defraud them of their life savings? Open door or not, in most common law countries, entering someone's house without permission to commit a crime is still break and enter (and at the very least trespass). Does that mean that people who left the door open are liable for having their home burglarized? What if the door was not open, just unlocked? Or locked but the key hidden under the mat? See what I mean.
In a real court of law, I suspect Bert would be seen as a victim as well and thus not held liable. Al maybe liable if he told Bert that the box was secure when in fact it wasn't (to follow my analogy, the lock company that installed a defective deadbolt could probably get sued). And I don't think there is any legal ground for holding me even partly responsible if a third party uses my property (phone, car, what ever) to commit a crime. In my above example, I could not be held liable even in civil court for the losses of the bilked old ladies.
The "law" probably won't work in this case.
That's not to say that that security isn't every sysadmin's responisiblity. But if I leave my door open I shouldn't be surprised if I'm burglarized.
And my niegbours won't talk to me or do business with me if they get affected by it.
Go to the Toronto Star and do a Search...these stories were front page news up here for a few weeks.
As for massive gas taxes, the studies in fact do include them. They also include Health insurance premiums (average about $500 US per month for a family of 4) which we do not have to pay (social, UNIVERSAL, government-run health care - a thing of beauty). We also have very little or no user fees for many local and provincial government services. And I pay the same amount of tax whether I live in Downtown Toronto or in Wiarton, Ontario. Ask somebody form Philly about the 6% city tax just for living in the city. Add that onto a state sales tax and you pretty much have the equivilent of a "VAT" (we call it a GST - goods and services tax of 8% and PST - provincial sales tax of 7 % in Ontario - oh, and not everything, like food and diapers and such, is taxed). I've been to many US cities and grew up on the border with Michigan and I'm familiar with the quality of your infrastructure - roads, sewers, police etc.
My point is the same as my previous post - I may pay a little more tax but I get a hell of a lot of services.
You get what you pay for.
Just thought you'd like to know. You can take that silly bumper sticker off your car now (Yes I live in Barrhaven too!).
Undemocratic? Did you ever think that we are in the "Thrall of third way socialist thugs" because the people of Canada vote for them? With an average 75% voter turnout, I'd say we are more democratic than the US.
..and as a matter of fact I DO vote for the NDP!
If you like the US so much, feel free to immagrate. I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms - After marrying an American and having 2 children by him, you should probably only have to wait 30 months to get your green card (as my sister did - she's still waiting for that green card).
Why haven't you moved tio your capitalist paradise yet?
Actually, swine, some studies late last year showed that the tax rate between the US and Canada for people making under 60k (read - the vast majority of folks in both countries) is almost identical (Canada having a 1-2% greater rate). And we have a large safe tolerant country voted #1 by the UN for 7 years running. Where does the US rank? 15? or 20?
I guess you get what you pay for, eh?
While I agree wih everything you said, I think we should warn the readers that Toronto is the Town to live in if your a "Single". The cost of housing and rental is outrageous if you have a family.
I lived in TO for 9 years and although I had a lot of fun, living in Ottawa is much more affordable. For What I paid in rent for a 800 square foot 2-bed room apt on the 20th floor at Yonge and Eglington (almost the dead centre of the city), I now own my own 1500 square foot three bedroom three bath home on a 125 x 60 lot in Ottawa - Principal, interest, taxes AND utilities. And we can afford it on one salary (mid 50s) so my wife can stay home with our daughter past the 6 months mandated maternity leave (she really wants to).
So I agree Toronto is great for the Swinging-Single-Geek, Ottawa is the best for the Family-Oriented-Geek.
Actually, to dispell a few myth for our American Cousins, anywhere in Canada is good. We are #1 in the world in living standard and quality of life, according to the UN (7th year running). Too many taxes you say? Well, we have one of the safest countries in the world, we don't have to pay separate health insurance or unemployment insurance, and many of our government services are free, maturnity leave is now 1 year long @ 53% of your gross. Now take your taxes, health insurance
premiums, user fees for government services and add them up. Our so-called "land of high taxes" doesn't look so bad now does it?
But I digress (can you tell tommorow is Canada Day?).
Gee, someone should make this into a beer commercial...
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OK, the tax rate of 54% only counts if you make over $64k. Tack on child tax credits and loopholes for things like RRSPs (401-k for our US readers) and you pay nowhere near that. Most Canadians pay on average of about 27%, usually automatically deducted off their paychecks so they never see it anyway. For this they also get very good health care for free (even if the waits have been getting longer), excellecnt roads (been driving in Michigan or NY lately? The roads are terrible) and safe cities and towns to live in (the entire country, with a population of 30 million, had less murdcers last year than the city of Washington DC, with a population less than one-tenth that).
Besides, according to a recent study I saw in the Toronto Star, if you take into account having to pay for private health insurance and private unemployment insurance, the myrad of state and local users fees and levies, the average tax burden in the US and Canada is about equal.
As for the best doctors, I guess you've never been to "Hospital Row" in Toronto, where some of the WORLD's best doctors work.
And perhaps you should add to you list of companies the likes of Nortel Networks (Ottawa based) Seagrams (Hamilton Based)...oops sorry they are examples Canadian companies based in Canada making billions despite being in Canada. I guess that whole "Canadians pay too much in taxes so they can't support mega corporations" is a bit false.
As for "social service freebies" well that's easy - given the choice of going to Mass General in Boston to get my broken nose fixed and Ottawa Civic, I'll take the Civic. I would rather wait 3 hours to get fixed up no questions asked, no credit cards and no worries about not having enough of the right kind of coverage than get service in 30 minutes and end up paying $1000 US for 5 stiches and a few band-aids.
When ever I pay 15% sales tax, I look at my Ontario Health card and remember that I get what I pay for. And I gladly pay it.
(As I said, the US pays about the same except there coverage is not universal)
I hope I've helped dispell some myths...
Uhm, The post - office is run by the Federal Government, dolt. It's never had the NDP as its bosses (yet) - just Conservatives and Liberals. Also, It's a Crown Corporation that's been making money for over 5 years now.
Maybe if the NDP ran it in the first place there would have been no anti-trust to procecute...but I digress
Here's my letter which I sent to Scott Miller of Apogee complaining about their licence:
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> So let me get this right...If I go on to your site, see some screen
> shots of Duke Nukem XXX. If I then go onto Slashdot and say
> "That new Duke Nukem looks like crap. I would never play such a terrible
> game. Here's the link, what do you think?" you can sue me? ( I have
> just used one of you "marks" in a "negative context" on a "BBS or Chat
> room" haven't I?
> Fascinating...
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> Well, I have bad news for you..UCITA has no jusridiction outside of the
> US so you may have trouble enforcing your "copyright" Globally.
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> Your licence is ridiculous.
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His response:
>>> Fascinating...
What's truly fascinating is how people can read their own evil meanings into
stuff like this. As a lawyer once told me: Everyone thinks they understand
law...it's no wonder attorneys get any business at all!
Have a nice day!
Scott Miller
Apogee Software, Ltd. and
3D Realms Entertainment
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So it appears Apogees' point man for questions and complaints (his e-mail was at the bottom of the "licence") doesn't take this seriously. Perhaps he needs a few more questions asked of him (Slashdot interview?). I'll admit my question was inflamatory but after reading that "licence" I was pissed. And with no "Accept/do not accept" buttons I didn't know how else to let them know how I felt.
Someone else been able to get a straight answer from them?
Wow, sounds to me like Radovan Karadzic and Radko Mladic have a great defence. I wonder why they won't go to face those charges in the Hague? or Slobo? If his country is as domocratic as you say, why has B92 and other opposition voices been silenced?
Just because they haven't found them yet, doesn't mean they are not there. As Carla De Ponte said in the article you quote "Our job is to gather evidence not take a census of the dead".
Nearly 6 years after the end of the war in Bosnia, the war crimes tribunal is still finding mass graves, some with as many as 2500 people in them (search CNN for the story last week). So since those graves weren't found in the first year after the war they didn't happen?
Give me a break. I have not reconsidered my views.
The government sanctioned murder of ANYONE base on their ethnicity, be it 100, 10 000 or 10 million people is wrong.
Does the UN/ NATO need a lot more resources to police the province? Hell yes. Does that mean they are on the side of the KLA (who I agree are terrorist and thugs)? No.
Read my sig. Get a clue
Well, perhaps it hasn't reached the land of the AC yet. US satellite photos from Bosnia show that the Serbs exhuumed many mass graves around Sreberniza after the war was over in 95 in order to cover up the massacres, to hide the evidence. This was admitted into evidence at the War Crimes Tibunal in the Hague last week at the trial of one of the generals involved in the massacre.
Besides, even if "some" of the photos were faked by a German General (how ironic) that in no way negates the truth about what has and still is happening in the Balkans at the hands of fanatical Serb Facists (Please take this in the way it is intended...The Serbs as a people are not facists. This comment is directed at those Serbs, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo, who happily took part in the repression and killing of their fellow citizens based solely on nationality or religion. Some Bosnians and Croats aren't much better, but at the moment most of the atrocities seem to be commited by Serbs or in response to atrocities commited by Serbs).
If All are faked, why has an International War Crimes Tribunal indicted most of the Serb leader ship, both military and civillian from both Bosnia and Serbia proper? As a matter of Fact, why does the Tribunal even exist?
Read my sig...get a clue. Don't be an apologist for evil.
I agree with you sir!
You are one of the first posts here that has made any sense. Where are those moderator points!!!
Alex, so long as mass graves keep being found in Kosovo and Bosnia, and as long as Radko Mladic and
hsi henchmen still walk free, I have no sympathy for Serbs who whine about not getting the govenment TV station. To downplay the role Milosovic and Serbia had in genocide through out the Balkans in the name of Serb nationalism, just to show how some innocent civilian were hurt in the cross fire is missing the point.
The Serbs have the government they deserve. If they don't get rid of it, by any means nessesary, then they are just as culpable through in-action as the Serb police who lined up Muslim men and women and shot them into ditches.
Sure there are a lot of Mexicans in Texas, but I don't remember too many of them being gunned down systematically by the Texas Rangers. And if it ever does happen, I hope the rest of the world DOES bomb the US and occupy Texas.
Uhm 2 things:
1. Sound would actually travel FASTER through water (or rock or anything dense) than it does through air.
2. Converting light to elctrons would be easy...converting them back to light at the other end would be difficult.
None of your conjecture explians the faster than normal speeds for the light.
I know, I know...I was just hoping an somebody else would win. Tom Long is the scariest of the lot...And I can't stand Mike Harris either. He ranks up there with Ralph Klein.
The best thing Mike Harris ever did was make Bob Rae look good.
Read that "Alberta-redneck-racists" as a direct reference to Ralph Klein, Preston Manning et al and not the the populace of Western Canada in General.
Gee wiz...
Wow, forget a comma or two...
I did not mean to imply that ALL Albertans are racists or rednecks, just the ones who are gung ho about Reform/Alliance (my wife is from Calgary BTW).
Why you may ask? When at a Reform party convention a few years ago, a delagate stood up, and told the room in A THICK SCOTTISH BROGUE that the big problem in Canada was 'immigration', I got the message real quick (his problem was with 'immigration' from places where the people are, shall we say, of a different hue and texture than he). Worse, everyone in the room nooded in agreement or applauded.
Even Preston Manning has admitted that the party attracts extremists. How many Liberals, Conservatives, BQ or NDP members have been kicked out of their party for racist remarks? Now how many from the Reform/Alliance? I thought so...(BTW a few Hertitage Front members in Toronto actually joined the Ontario Wing of the Reform Party because they thought it was a good place to be!!)
Sorry I threw the whole Alberta name in there. I could just as easily said Ontario (Tom Long).
It's not the part of the country that bothers me so, its the ultra-conservative politics (I don't like Mike Harris or Bill VanderZalm or Ralph Klien for the same reasons).
Now, given all that, please take my previous statement as a direct reference to Ralph Klein et al (who, in my opinion are racist, rednecks and are in fact from Alberta) not to the people of Alberta.
Do me one favour...don't turn a blind eye to the seedier, unpleasant, extremist side of Alliance just becasue you want better representation from the west. You just might get what you vote for.
Alliance: get rid of gun control (make Toronto more like Detriot), destroy (privatized/ two-tier) our healthcare system, outlaw abortion (ask Tom Long), get rid of any other right or program which gets in the way of their backers (see Conrad Black) from making obscene amounts of money.
I don't want any Alberta racist rednecks running my country and destroying everything it stands for just to become more like the US.
I'd even go so far as to vote for Brian Mulroney again rather than give those idiots a chance. Hell I'd even vote for the Bloc before I'd vote for any of them.
Actually, 'This Hour has 22 Minutes' made a good point about a month ago about the whole Jane Stewart thing...most of the money disappeared/was misappropriated/given away when Pierre Petigrew was the Minister. Now I beleive he's the Minister in charge of Industry. Jane Stewart walked in (las t aug I beleive), was told by Sr. bureaucrats everthing was OK and them had to face the music when it wasn't.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. It doesn't matter wether I beleive or trust Jane Stewart...Peirre Petigrew may come back or, God Forbid, the 'Alliance' forms the next government. Someone I definitely don't trust could take over in the future. Therefore nobody should beable to access this information.
(PS for all the Canadians reading this, if you don't think the likes of Tom "Sieg Hiel!" Long or Preston Manning wouldn't like to get their hands on this info, your sadly mistaken. The 'Alliance' Facists would be way worse than simply incompetent Liberals)
DUH! That's why they are posting the series back here...so you can consent (if your comments are used) or not.
Wake up!
Ever heard of the Resistance? They did quite well in France and especially in Italy (where they caught and hung Mussilini before any "regualar" army got there).
You'd be surprised what some "ordinary" European citizens did without some "general" telling them what to do.
Weren't some of those generals also Russian/Soviet?
Get off your high horse, yank - thanks for the help and all but the Brits and the Commonwealth (Canada, India, Aus etc)and the various undergrounds could still have won, it just would have taken a little longer (ok, a lot longer). Dieppe and Normandy aside, the Russians/Soviets did a lot more to defeat the Axis (manpower wise).
This whole "American Cavalry" riding in to save Europe at the last minute is BS. A lot of other countries did a lot of fighting long before anyone even heard of Pearl Harbour.
Haven't heard of the raid on Dieppe? Look it up sometime and see what 5000 Canadians did to win the war. Pay close attention to how the US reported it as a great American victory when there were only 150 US Army Rangers there (BTW, it wasn't a "victory" in any sense of the word). Look for references to the South Saskatchewan Rifles.
My Grandfather was at war fighting while yours was making big bucks off selling us the ammo.
Uhm, actually, according to the UN, CANADA has the highest quality of life (for example, living standards, equality etc) in the world. Followed by Sweden,Denmark, Japan...(the order may be wrong). Canada has held this distinction 5 times in the last 7 years, usually falling to 2nd (behind Sweden) when it isn't number 1. I believe the US ranked about 15 or 16, mainly due to the gap between rich and poor and the violent penchant of many of the citizens who did not attend the Million Mom March.
As for God fearing "peace and tolerance" well perhaps you should ask the Lakota Souix (sp?) or perhaps the Beotuks of Newfoundland what they think of your bible thumping "peace and tolerance" - oops can't! The Beotuks were completely wiped out in a mass genocide about 150 years ago because they would not convert to Christianity. There are none left. This is not something we in Canada are proud of, but at least we admit it to be true (PS we haven't broken any treaties we signed with the natives...how about you?).
Now, what was that you were saying...
If you don't like it, don't post, or read or anything. Go back to usenet. Are YOU DENSE???? Who cares about ALL CAPS! I SEEM TO BE DOING ALL RIGHT.
Enough of this BS...no-one is keeping you here.
WTF are you talking about...
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If you can't stay on topic, go away! Your not impressing anyone with your "diligence"
Farging 31337
Easy Tex!
No-one uses Hectares, centilitres or torr. Also no one uses league, furlong or stone any more either. Even in those countries who deviate from the SI naming convention norm, a metre is still a metre (100 centimetres, 1000 milimetres) etc.
How many feet in a mile? How many inches in a yard? Convert yards to feet? Miles to yards? Gallons to Quarts? (trick question...is that US gallons or Imperial gallons (one is bigger you know)?).
Now try the same with metric. Why how easy, all multiples of ten! No memorizing bizarre conversion factors or numbers, just basic mutliples of 10 (that means adding 0's or moving the decimal point, in case you don't know what a multiple of ten is).
All that internal consistancy you are so proud of didn't stop that Mars mission from crashing now did it.
BTW the metric house is in order and has been for 200 years. Only the US still uses the old imperial system..kinda ironic for the country that separated from England at about the time metric was invented.