Of course, got all the latest updates, right up to 10.1.3. It LAGS. Resizing, switching between windows, etc... it all sucks.
Frankly, that video card in the iBook (Rage Mobility/128) is a LOT better than most PC laptops. Those PC laptops sure do a find job of moving and resizing windows, so that should tell you something...
It's not the G3, either. Window operations work fine in both OS 9 and LinuxPPC. Only OS X can catch the blame here.
It's so much more responsive than OS X that it's not even funny.
Last night I installed Yellow Dog 2.1. It's so much faster than OS X on my iBook (500mhz, 640 MB RAM) that if I can get the Airport card working, there's no way I'll ever use OS X again.
It amazes me that a bunch of open source dudes can make an OS that runs faster than Apple's own - seriously Apple should take a lesson from this. They should be ashamed of OS X.
How does this top OS X? Sure its Linux, but that's it....
For one thing, OS X seriously lags on the 500mzh iBook (which Apple is selling right now) even with 640 MB RAM. I can't comment on whether Linux will lag too, but at least the option to run something more lightweight is there.
Since the Slash code is now used to run sites covering a huge number of topics (fly fishing, mountain biking, "news for nerds," etc.), it's time there was at least one printed reference to it.
Anyone know where to find the mountain biking site mentioned?
That's the problem. You didn't buy it. You licensed it.
That's funny, that's not what CompUSA says. Not once when buying software there have I ever been presented with a EULA to sign prior to making my purchase.
Since I don't see the EULA (or anything else mentioning licensing) until after I OWN it, I don't have much choice but to click through their agreement. I certainly can't take it back for a refund, so you could make a very reasonable argument that their EULA means jack.
I have NO problem with EULAs being legally binding. However, I want to see what I 'must' agree to prior to my purchase. When that starts happening I'll be happy to do whatever the EULA says, because only then will I have been allowed to make a rational choice. Until then, I buy software and do whatever I feel like with it.
Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. [macslash.com] Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious.
One big problem over there is they rarely add new stories - who wants the same stuff day after day?
This is not for lack of submissions. At any given time there are 20 or 30 or so pending, and almost all of them end up rejected. Frankly, I'd rather have a few "dud" stories than nothing at all.
maybe you should do top -u and find out what you've screwed up on your machine. You've probably got some processes running away chewing up your CPU. That is the only situation where I've ever had bad GUI performance in OS X (10.1.2).
Whatever I've supposedly "screwed up", it came that way with a default install of 10.1, because I haven't added anything to this machine.
It's a brand new, iBook portable. G3 500, 640 megs of RAM. It's an ATI 128-something.... it actually feels like a system without accelerated video, although I know that can't be the case.
The UI on this computer is about twice as slow as Windows 2000 on a Pentium III 600 laptop, and it's very frustrating.
It's nuts because it'd cannibalize Apple's hardware sales at the end... TiBooks are the best notebooks around anyway.
If I TiBook really is the best notebook around, why would you be worried that OS X on Intel would cannibalize sales?
Seems like that's a tacit admission that maybe the hardware IS overpriced - after all, that's why you're worried that people would switch away from it, given the chance!
Dude, right now I'm running Mac OS X 10.1.2 on a G3 300. Your claim just isn't true. It used to be dog slow, but after upgrading it to 10.1, I've seen very little slow down compared to OS 9. And I can run MANY more apps at once due to the superior memory management.
Stop speading these lies about Mac OS X.
That is not FUD, that is the truth! I run OS X 10.1, exclusively, on a G3/500 portable. It has 640 MB RAM and is still very, very slow for any operation like window resizing or switching.
There is NO ACCEPTABLE REASON that it takes two seconds to drag a window to the bottom right hand corner of the screen to maximize it. None.
The proof that the software is the problem can easily be made by booting into OS 9. The system is screaming FAST. Apple has a lot of work to do optimizing OS X. It will probably never get done, however - they'd much rather you just buy a new mac for OS X.
If Mac users really are confident that Apple hardware isn't overpriced and represents a good value, they should have nothing to worry about, right?
On the other hand, if they are concerned that existing Mac users would switch to Intel hardware, perhaps that's a sign that the hardware does not represent the hardware value they say it does.
Can you get Sega of America to intervene on your behalf? Seems to me they might like to know why a device for their developers is considered illegal and try to resolve it.
Are you kidding? Sega is probably the person that told Customs to watch out for shipments from lik-sang.com in the first place!
And even if you do consider it a circuit-switched device, where do you get $0.15/minute? I'm using Voicestream, and their $39/month plan gives me 500 weekday minutes plus 2000 weekend minutes per month. Even if you ignore the weekend minutes I'm paying less than $0.08 per minute.
Go to the website and punch in 91709 (Los Angeles). Apparently it varies by region. You are lucky to be able to use your included bucket of minutes for data, we are not so fortunate here.
What I don't understand is that Cingular in Southern California has already been selling phones that access their own network with no need to dial outside, when using one of these phones, you pay nothing beyond airtime. (So if it's the weekend, it's free).
I don't know why the Treo isn't setup that way, the technology certainly is there. To have to pay $0.15 a minute is a real shame.
As far as I can tell with Treo if you are waiting for an e-mail you would have press receive every five minutes until the e-mail arrived.
It's actually worse than that. Checking email requires dialing into a 3rd party ISP, it's $0.15 a minute (on Cingular, anyway), and you're basically connecting via PPP, so you're looking at 20-30 seconds from the time you press the button until you're connected. Then, since you're paying by the minute, you disconnect, then do it again...
After waiting quite a while for the Treo to come out, they finally announced they are avaialble, so I run over to the site, put in my zip (Los Angeles), and start the process where they let you pick a plan and what area you are in.
Then I saw something that made me want to cry: "Cingular Data (required for web and email access) $4.95/mo. plus 15/minute"
I can't believe this thing is not setup to use Cingular's internal network for web browsing. (which costs you $5 a month, plus airtime (basically, 'free' on nights and weekends). Instead, they are using the old Cingular data-connect, which is $4.95 and $0.15 A MINUTE. You can't use your included minutes, it's $0.15 a minute, always.
Not only that, but you have to have an ISP to make that data call into! If you use a cable modem or DSL, you'll have to pay a 3rd party ISP like Earthlink $19.95 a month just to use your data features.
Cingular has been setup, and has been selling phones that use their own 'wireless web' network for at least a year now. This is so sad.
Paying by the minute for data when you have a bucket of free minutes, as well as the requirement that you have a 3rd party ISP, is simply not acceptable in this day and age when other providers (Sprint, Verizon, Voicestream) are giving it away.
Hmm, I just opened a standard filemanager window of Gnome (FYI: the program is called Nautilus), right-clicked, and it gave me the option to open it in 'guiTAR', which shows me the contents, allows to extract, etc, with simple clicks. That's just about the same thing that WinZIP gives you on Windows after you first find, download, install, and pay for it.
And when I don't like guiTAR, and select "Other Viewer", it tells me I can set viewers system-wide in the Gnome Control Center under the "File Types and Programs" section. And wo and behold, the Gnome Control Center is not hidden under a "Start" button, but directly under the "Settings" menu on the top panel.
Direct, intuitive, aka user friendly, and leaving me all choices if I want.
Maybe your Linux install is incomplete. I'm just using the gnome that came with standard Debian Woody, nothing special.
It ain't there on my system. It's RedHat 7.2, and since RedHat gets recommended to a lot of newbies, I'd consider it a problem.
It's nice that it's there by default on Debian, but do you really think beginning Linux users are going to choose Debian?
Christ, stop comparing functions in linux to those in windows, if you have not spent a couple of minutes searching for the tools.
Yes, thank you for making my point, which is newbies won't bother spending a couple of minutes looking for the tools. They'll just throw up their hands and say "this sucks".
And you make it sound as though dropping into a shell is a bad thing. What's wrong with the shell?
Nothing wrong with advanced users making use of the shell. It's clearly a very powerful option. But you are mistaken if you think new users will accept that.
That's hardly proof that Linux isn't "ready for the desktop"...at worst, it is an annoyance that can be easily solved by associating the file type to the application in the GNOME Setup utility.
Really? In order to do that, I'd have to know the command line name of the decompressing program. How do you propose that a new user will realize that it's called "gunzip" without having to ask someone?
Example: install Ximian Gnome, which supposedly represents the 'friendliest' Linux GUI.
Now try right-clicking on a compressed.tar or.tgz file. You'll notice there is no option to decompress such files.
These are very common in Linux land, you'll need to decompress them all the time.
If you use Ximian Gnome and need to decompress that file, you'll need to hop out to the command line and issue a command. If you're new, you'll also have to read the help to learn the appropriate arguments.
I find his comments incredibly frustrating. The fact is Linux could be a viable competitor on the desktop, but the usability work has not been done!
Despite the progress made by people like Ximian, there is just way to much stuff in the way of new users trying to get familiar with Linux.
Even in something very recent (RH 7.2) I still find the following problems:
External USB FAT32 hard drive not recognized. Even after reading man pages, loading and unloading modules, no luck.
No way to get system to find, name, and automount all available partitions with read/write/execute access for a user. Must learn about, then edit/etc/fstab.
Must know the exact location of a modem (tty1 or whatver) in order to setup the internet dialer, rather than the system finding it. It's in a slot, right? Why doesn't the OS know where it is?
No consistent installer scheme for new programs - sometimes you download an RPM then launch 'kpackage' (why isn't that called 'software installer'? Hmmm....), sometimes you download source and attempt to compile, sometimes you download a shell script that does it for you.
No way to decompress files in Ximian Gnome from the GUI is setup by default. Command line must be used.
And let me clarify, I don't mean that it is not possible for Linux to do these things, only that it is not intuitive for a new user to do so.
Now there are certainly those who would argue that they prefer the system not do so much on their behalf, I agree, which is why there should be a toggle - both the new and advanced user can be satisfied! Right now, they are not.
(don't forget to check Apple's own web site for ethernet card drivers).
Instead of just implying that they are there, why don't YOU post a link to an Apple page where they provide drivers for 3rd party (wintel) ethernet cards?
Ofcourse, I should also point out that your old 7200 is from an era when macs were highly incompatible, and since that particular mac probably can not run OS 9, you may not be able to get it to work.
Actually, a 7200 runs OS 9 just fine, and it sure isn't from an era when Macs were "highly incompatible". If anything, they were more standardized than they are now. In the era of the clones, there were Macs with PS/2 keboard and mouse connectors and ATX cases! That is not the case anymore.
I would suggest you try plugging in your bargin brand ethernet card and seeing if you can't get it to work
I can assure you, if this worked, millions of Mac users would already know, dude.
And like I said, unless at adresses the x86 hardware specificaly, if it runs under Linux it will run under OS X if not OS 9
This is so unbelievably wrong, I can't even begin to address it.
I have a PowerMac 7200/90 sitting here. It's a lovely machine that has built in ethernet and 3 PCI slots. It's worth around $40, and would make a great headless PC for routing traffic between the internet and somebody's LAN, except that you can't add a NIC to it.
A Pentium 90 machine cost about the same ($1000), and is worth about $40 too. But I can add a $5 network card to it that makes it far more versatile.
And of course, by using a computer instead of a dedicated thing, you can run other services on the same machine - mail, DNS, http.
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Of course, got all the latest updates, right up to 10.1.3. It LAGS. Resizing, switching between windows, etc... it all sucks.
Frankly, that video card in the iBook (Rage Mobility/128) is a LOT better than most PC laptops. Those PC laptops sure do a find job of moving and resizing windows, so that should tell you something...
It's not the G3, either. Window operations work fine in both OS 9 and LinuxPPC. Only OS X can catch the blame here.
Last night I installed Yellow Dog 2.1. It's so much faster than OS X on my iBook (500mhz, 640 MB RAM) that if I can get the Airport card working, there's no way I'll ever use OS X again.
It amazes me that a bunch of open source dudes can make an OS that runs faster than Apple's own - seriously Apple should take a lesson from this. They should be ashamed of OS X.
For one thing, OS X seriously lags on the 500mzh iBook (which Apple is selling right now) even with 640 MB RAM. I can't comment on whether Linux will lag too, but at least the option to run something more lightweight is there.
Which, if any of the PPC distributions will pickup and configure the internal Airport card in an iBook at install time. How about sound. Anyone?
Anyone know where to find the mountain biking site mentioned?
That's funny, that's not what CompUSA says. Not once when buying software there have I ever been presented with a EULA to sign prior to making my purchase.
Since I don't see the EULA (or anything else mentioning licensing) until after I OWN it, I don't have much choice but to click through their agreement. I certainly can't take it back for a refund, so you could make a very reasonable argument that their EULA means jack.
I have NO problem with EULAs being legally binding. However, I want to see what I 'must' agree to prior to my purchase. When that starts happening I'll be happy to do whatever the EULA says, because only then will I have been allowed to make a rational choice. Until then, I buy software and do whatever I feel like with it.
One big problem over there is they rarely add new stories - who wants the same stuff day after day?
This is not for lack of submissions. At any given time there are 20 or 30 or so pending, and almost all of them end up rejected. Frankly, I'd rather have a few "dud" stories than nothing at all.
maybe you should do top -u and find out what you've screwed up on your machine. You've probably got some processes running away chewing up your CPU. That is the only situation where I've ever had bad GUI performance in OS X (10.1.2).
Whatever I've supposedly "screwed up", it came that way with a default install of 10.1, because I haven't added anything to this machine.
The UI on this computer is about twice as slow as Windows 2000 on a Pentium III 600 laptop, and it's very frustrating.
It's nuts because it'd cannibalize Apple's hardware sales at the end... TiBooks are the best notebooks around anyway.
If I TiBook really is the best notebook around, why would you be worried that OS X on Intel would cannibalize sales?
Seems like that's a tacit admission that maybe the hardware IS overpriced - after all, that's why you're worried that people would switch away from it, given the chance!
Dude, right now I'm running Mac OS X 10.1.2 on a G3 300. Your claim just isn't true. It used to be dog slow, but after upgrading it to 10.1, I've seen very little slow down compared to OS 9. And I can run MANY more apps at once due to the superior memory management.
Stop speading these lies about Mac OS X.
That is not FUD, that is the truth! I run OS X 10.1, exclusively, on a G3/500 portable. It has 640 MB RAM and is still very, very slow for any operation like window resizing or switching.
There is NO ACCEPTABLE REASON that it takes two seconds to drag a window to the bottom right hand corner of the screen to maximize it. None.
The proof that the software is the problem can easily be made by booting into OS 9. The system is screaming FAST. Apple has a lot of work to do optimizing OS X. It will probably never get done, however - they'd much rather you just buy a new mac for OS X.
If Mac users really are confident that Apple hardware isn't overpriced and represents a good value, they should have nothing to worry about, right?
On the other hand, if they are concerned that existing Mac users would switch to Intel hardware, perhaps that's a sign that the hardware does not represent the hardware value they say it does.
Are you kidding? Sega is probably the person that told Customs to watch out for shipments from lik-sang.com in the first place!
Lucky you. You have to understand, in the USA we're a bit backwards when it comes to cellular.
Go to the website and punch in 91709 (Los Angeles). Apparently it varies by region. You are lucky to be able to use your included bucket of minutes for data, we are not so fortunate here.
What I don't understand is that Cingular in Southern California has already been selling phones that access their own network with no need to dial outside, when using one of these phones, you pay nothing beyond airtime. (So if it's the weekend, it's free).
I don't know why the Treo isn't setup that way, the technology certainly is there. To have to pay $0.15 a minute is a real shame.
It's actually worse than that. Checking email requires dialing into a 3rd party ISP, it's $0.15 a minute (on Cingular, anyway), and you're basically connecting via PPP, so you're looking at 20-30 seconds from the time you press the button until you're connected. Then, since you're paying by the minute, you disconnect, then do it again...
The Treo is not GPRS. It's a $0.15 a minute dialup device.
After waiting quite a while for the Treo to come out, they finally announced they are avaialble, so I run over to the site, put in my zip (Los Angeles), and start the process where they let you pick a plan and what area you are in.
Then I saw something that made me want to cry: "Cingular Data (required for web and email access) $4.95/mo. plus 15/minute"
I can't believe this thing is not setup to use Cingular's internal network for web browsing. (which costs you $5 a month, plus airtime (basically, 'free' on nights and weekends). Instead, they are using the old Cingular data-connect, which is $4.95 and $0.15 A MINUTE. You can't use your included minutes, it's $0.15 a minute, always.
Not only that, but you have to have an ISP to make that data call into! If you use a cable modem or DSL, you'll have to pay a 3rd party ISP like Earthlink $19.95 a month just to use your data features.
Cingular has been setup, and has been selling phones that use their own 'wireless web' network for at least a year now. This is so sad.
Paying by the minute for data when you have a bucket of free minutes, as well as the requirement that you have a 3rd party ISP, is simply not acceptable in this day and age when other providers (Sprint, Verizon, Voicestream) are giving it away.
Incredibly dumb.
Hmm, I just opened a standard filemanager window of Gnome (FYI: the program is called Nautilus), right-clicked, and it gave me the option to open it in 'guiTAR', which shows me the contents, allows to extract, etc, with simple clicks. That's just about the same thing that WinZIP gives you on Windows after you first find, download, install, and pay for it.
And when I don't like guiTAR, and select "Other Viewer", it tells me I can set viewers system-wide in the Gnome Control Center under the "File Types and Programs" section. And wo and behold, the Gnome Control Center is not hidden under a "Start" button, but directly under the "Settings" menu on the top panel.
Direct, intuitive, aka user friendly, and leaving me all choices if I want.
Maybe your Linux install is incomplete. I'm just using the gnome that came with standard Debian Woody, nothing special.
It ain't there on my system. It's RedHat 7.2, and since RedHat gets recommended to a lot of newbies, I'd consider it a problem.
It's nice that it's there by default on Debian, but do you really think beginning Linux users are going to choose Debian?
Yes, thank you for making my point, which is newbies won't bother spending a couple of minutes looking for the tools. They'll just throw up their hands and say "this sucks".
And you make it sound as though dropping into a shell is a bad thing. What's wrong with the shell?
Nothing wrong with advanced users making use of the shell. It's clearly a very powerful option. But you are mistaken if you think new users will accept that.
Really? In order to do that, I'd have to know the command line name of the decompressing program. How do you propose that a new user will realize that it's called "gunzip" without having to ask someone?
No.
Example: install Ximian Gnome, which supposedly represents the 'friendliest' Linux GUI.
Now try right-clicking on a compressed .tar or .tgz file. You'll notice there is no option to decompress such files.
These are very common in Linux land, you'll need to decompress them all the time.
If you use Ximian Gnome and need to decompress that file, you'll need to hop out to the command line and issue a command. If you're new, you'll also have to read the help to learn the appropriate arguments.
That is not user friendly.
Despite the progress made by people like Ximian, there is just way to much stuff in the way of new users trying to get familiar with Linux.
Even in something very recent (RH 7.2) I still find the following problems:
And let me clarify, I don't mean that it is not possible for Linux to do these things, only that it is not intuitive for a new user to do so.
Now there are certainly those who would argue that they prefer the system not do so much on their behalf, I agree, which is why there should be a toggle - both the new and advanced user can be satisfied! Right now, they are not.
Instead of just implying that they are there, why don't YOU post a link to an Apple page where they provide drivers for 3rd party (wintel) ethernet cards?
Ofcourse, I should also point out that your old 7200 is from an era when macs were highly incompatible, and since that particular mac probably can not run OS 9, you may not be able to get it to work.
Actually, a 7200 runs OS 9 just fine, and it sure isn't from an era when Macs were "highly incompatible". If anything, they were more standardized than they are now. In the era of the clones, there were Macs with PS/2 keboard and mouse connectors and ATX cases! That is not the case anymore.
I would suggest you try plugging in your bargin brand ethernet card and seeing if you can't get it to work
I can assure you, if this worked, millions of Mac users would already know, dude.
And like I said, unless at adresses the x86 hardware specificaly, if it runs under Linux it will run under OS X if not OS 9
This is so unbelievably wrong, I can't even begin to address it.
A Pentium 90 machine cost about the same ($1000), and is worth about $40 too. But I can add a $5 network card to it that makes it far more versatile.
And of course, by using a computer instead of a dedicated thing, you can run other services on the same machine - mail, DNS, http.