Believe it or not, Intel has a pretty rigid system of testing to work out processor bugs. I don't think you, as in the general public, will see any A0 chips, nor even anything until they debug up to at LEAST C-step.
And anyone who uses Linux NOW knows it's not crap, and those few who are lucky enough to have an Itanium system AND have installed the 64-bit Distro of Choice(TM) know they're going to run into problems.
However, with both the chip and the OS, people are going to find bugs, source them down to the appropriate component and raise a flag. Things will be fixed, patched or otherwise worked around and all will be good.
By the way, everyone thought the IBM PC sucked when it first came out. Remember?
Um...it STILL does. The architecture SUCKS. However, it's what we're using, so it's got to have some merit. Not much, but some.
I took a PCI archtecture class, and a LOT of the stuff in there dumbfounded me as to WHY things were made the way they were. I guess it all comes down to backwards compatibility, the bane of our existance.
I totally agree with this. I'm using RH6.1 and although it autodetected the HP DJ660Cse I had connected to the box, I can't print to it because it didn't drop anything into/etc/printcap.
The box in question has a crappy video chipset and I don't even have a monitor connected to it, let alone a mouse and keyboard, so X is out of the question - thus printtool is also. I telnet into the box to do ANYTHING.
So without having to learn all of the printcap commands OR installing and running X for ONE SINGLE APPLICATION, what's a person supposed to do?
so they're going to SUE 2600 for having the source code? okay, now maybe it's just me, but why don't they then sue this site that i just found, and downloaded the source from?
i did a quick google search for 'decss source code' and found, on the second search page, the above site. and now *I* have the source.
perhaps i'll get another geocities account and drop it up there, so everyone else in the world can download it.
So I don't have proof that CA and OR residents can take MSN for $388, but it sure looks that way. Even if it's legal, I haven't convinced myself that it's ethical.
I NEVER thought I'd hear someone mention 'ethical' and (some kind of) 'microsoft' in the same paragraph. Don't you realize the kind of crap they've been foisting on us for the past 10 years? If just 1% of the people who live in CA and OR who read slashdot go out and make good on this, we'll have done what M$ does to us. However even so, do you think that makes a whit of difference in the gold-plated linings of BG's pockets?
Let us have our cake and eat it too. It's about time.:)
I'm relatively a linux newbie myself, only having had exposure to it for the past year and a half or so. I took a crash-course so I could secure up my DSL firewall though, so now, among people I know, I'm an 'expert'.
This makes me a prime target for EVERYONE to ask me 'how do you do this' or 'how do you configure that'. Now, I don't mind doling out advice occasionally, but at one point I had this certain individual coming to me DAILY with problems he had. I'd patiently hold his hand and pat him on the back until he got the issue fixed...however for even the MOST serene person this can get bothersome.
What I'd personally like to see is more of the newbies RTFM'ing instead of instantly throwing up their hands in exasperation when they can't get the 3dfx.lib RPM to install without the dependencies. I usually troll the newsgroups (alt.linux.*) for information before I go and post, or hit the LDP. And I did this when I was a newbie, too.
Newbie-ism isn't bad, but they need to learn that learning isn't something they can grok from the resident expert ALL of the time. Do some research, LEARN it yourself insead of having someone else do it for you - otherwise you'll never really figure it out, and those of us in the know will eventually get tired of you, and you'll go back to windows.
(sorry for my lapse back and forth into talking 1st/3rd person.:)
A lot of people are considering these results skewed. I would have to agree, but let me give a real-world example:
I have an older pentium box (P200 non-MMX) with some fairly standard hardware. Diamond Stealth II 220, Diamond Monster I, SB PCI 128, Intel Pro/100B, 64 M Ram, ~2 gigs of IDE and a 32x Pioneer CDRom. Tyan 1573-ATX Motherboard.
Nothing bleeding edge, fairly competent box for any OS. I installed Windows 98 on it, and it crashed MULTIPLE times EVERY day. At one point I removed just about every PCI card (except video) and tested that - got about 2 days worth of uptime before it barfed on me again. Installed RH6.0 on the SAME hardware and it NEVER, not ONCE dumped on me.
So, yes, take the statistics with a grain of salt but DO remember that there are REASONS why the Windows systems uptimes SUCK - and those of Linux and *BSD don't.
but if these bacterium can eat just about everything, survive a nuclear blast and still keep on ticking...what happens if they set their sights on US?
i'm not trying to be fatalistic, but if someone decides that they CAN do something, where are the checks and balances to determine if they SHOULD (to paraphrase Jurassic Park)?
i like the idea of dropping a handful of bacterium into an oil spill to help clean it up... but again, what do the bacteria do AFTER they're done with the oil?
I personally like mail.com. You can choose a @whereever.com domain (they have several to choose from) and offer some pretty good services, such as POP3 access, Organizer and forwarding. Best of all, it's not owned or supported by M$.
Um, don't the microcode patches have to be done without a protected OS? And AFAIK, rebooting the system after installing the microcode CLEARS the microcode area. This is why microcode patches are run from floppies that install the code, then pause and tell you to REMOVE the floppy, THEN run an INT19 to restart (without initializing the processor) and boot from the hard disk.
...especially if you leave out all of the 'making of' and other trailers and such. If you included BOTH SE and the originals on a DVD, you could put the extra crap on a separate DVD (4 DVD SET! Now only $89.95).
Of course, in doing that George couldn't make 2x+ the profits from selling them as separate entities (and boxed sets).
This sounds a LOT like what happened a while ago with the Intel/Digital suits. Digital sued Intel claiming the PPro/6th Gen processors used their technology. Intel counter-sued.
THEN they both made nice and Intel bought Digital's technology.:) Sound familiar?
unavailable to small ISPs who don't have the $$$ to back up such a lawsuit.
Ever hear of pro-bono? This case sets a precident (or perhaps there was another, don't remember) in that the Spammer can be sued - and the Plaintiff (said ISP) can probably get a sizable sum. Granted a small ISP with ~100 users won't get $600k, but it would surely be enough to pay for attorney fees.
the cd-rom being the only visible proof that anything was done to the monitor. actually what i find interesting is that he spent an entire day getting the cd-rom to look nice but then hacked up the back of the monitor to push out the usb/net ports. if you're going to do it at all, do it RIGHT! sheesh! i think he's got a G3 under there somewhere...:)
okay, this would be cool for many reasons, but why wouldn't you just drop a 10G drive into your current linux box, mount it as/home/mp3 (or whereever), share it and be done with it?
it's not just the bleeding edge hardware, either - i re-installed win98se about a week ago with a STB Velocity 4400 AGP (nvidia riva TNT) and a Diamond Monster MX300 PCI sound card. this supposedly 'new' version of windows couldn't find the drivers for EITHER card.
luckily i had downloaded the latest drivers a few weeks before and was able to get things straightened out. but these are NOT new items! the nvidia GeForce is soon to come, and the MX300 is at least 6 months to a year old!
although i can see the need for identification, why do they have to use the SSN? HOW difficult is it to cross-reference an arbitrary number to the SSN in a computer database? not very.
just about every high-tech company in my area (Portland, OR) has some kind of badging, and afaik, NONE of them use a SSN to identify the employees.
I was 10542645, and to tell you the truth i feel naked without my badge. but EVERY application that required my ID number automatically cross-refed all the other data on my person.
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Love the script. Been looking for something like this (well, not really but was thinking about looking for it) for a while.
Believe it or not, Intel has a pretty rigid system of testing to work out processor bugs. I don't think you, as in the general public, will see any A0 chips, nor even anything until they debug up to at LEAST C-step.
And anyone who uses Linux NOW knows it's not crap, and those few who are lucky enough to have an Itanium system AND have installed the 64-bit Distro of Choice(TM) know they're going to run into problems.
However, with both the chip and the OS, people are going to find bugs, source them down to the appropriate component and raise a flag. Things will be fixed, patched or otherwise worked around and all will be good.
Just keep the faith, man.
It's a good thing I work during the day or I'd have the same problem.
What [server], johnburton? I'm on Innoruuk.
/nod
/agree
/smile
/ponder
/boggle
/shrug
/grin
By the way, everyone thought the IBM PC sucked when it first came out. Remember?
Um...it STILL does. The architecture SUCKS. However, it's what we're using, so it's got to have some merit. Not much, but some.
I took a PCI archtecture class, and a LOT of the stuff in there dumbfounded me as to WHY things were made the way they were. I guess it all comes down to backwards compatibility, the bane of our existance.
I totally agree with this. I'm using RH6.1 and although it autodetected the HP DJ660Cse I had connected to the box, I can't print to it because it didn't drop anything into /etc/printcap.
The box in question has a crappy video chipset and I don't even have a monitor connected to it, let alone a mouse and keyboard, so X is out of the question - thus printtool is also. I telnet into the box to do ANYTHING.
So without having to learn all of the printcap commands OR installing and running X for ONE SINGLE APPLICATION, what's a person supposed to do?
so they're going to SUE 2600 for having the source code? okay, now maybe it's just me, but why don't they then sue this site that i just found, and downloaded the source from?
i did a quick google search for 'decss source code' and found, on the second search page, the above site. and now *I* have the source.
perhaps i'll get another geocities account and drop it up there, so everyone else in the world can download it.
CA sales tax sucks, come on over to Oregon, we don't have a tax. :)
So I don't have proof that CA and OR residents can take MSN for $388, but it sure looks that way. Even if it's legal, I haven't convinced myself that it's ethical.
:)
I NEVER thought I'd hear someone mention 'ethical' and (some kind of) 'microsoft' in the same paragraph. Don't you realize the kind of crap they've been foisting on us for the past 10 years? If just 1% of the people who live in CA and OR who read slashdot go out and make good on this, we'll have done what M$ does to us. However even so, do you think that makes a whit of difference in the gold-plated linings of BG's pockets?
Let us have our cake and eat it too. It's about time.
I'm relatively a linux newbie myself, only having had exposure to it for the past year and a half or so. I took a crash-course so I could secure up my DSL firewall though, so now, among people I know, I'm an 'expert'.
:)
This makes me a prime target for EVERYONE to ask me 'how do you do this' or 'how do you configure that'. Now, I don't mind doling out advice occasionally, but at one point I had this certain individual coming to me DAILY with problems he had. I'd patiently hold his hand and pat him on the back until he got the issue fixed...however for even the MOST serene person this can get bothersome.
What I'd personally like to see is more of the newbies RTFM'ing instead of instantly throwing up their hands in exasperation when they can't get the 3dfx.lib RPM to install without the dependencies. I usually troll the newsgroups (alt.linux.*) for information before I go and post, or hit the LDP. And I did this when I was a newbie, too.
Newbie-ism isn't bad, but they need to learn that learning isn't something they can grok from the resident expert ALL of the time. Do some research, LEARN it yourself insead of having someone else do it for you - otherwise you'll never really figure it out, and those of us in the know will eventually get tired of you, and you'll go back to windows.
(sorry for my lapse back and forth into talking 1st/3rd person.
A lot of people are considering these results skewed. I would have to agree, but let me give a real-world example:
I have an older pentium box (P200 non-MMX) with some fairly standard hardware. Diamond Stealth II 220, Diamond Monster I, SB PCI 128, Intel Pro/100B, 64 M Ram, ~2 gigs of IDE and a 32x Pioneer CDRom. Tyan 1573-ATX Motherboard.
Nothing bleeding edge, fairly competent box for any OS. I installed Windows 98 on it, and it crashed MULTIPLE times EVERY day. At one point I removed just about every PCI card (except video) and tested that - got about 2 days worth of uptime before it barfed on me again. Installed RH6.0 on the SAME hardware and it NEVER, not ONCE dumped on me.
So, yes, take the statistics with a grain of salt but DO remember that there are REASONS why the Windows systems uptimes SUCK - and those of Linux and *BSD don't.
but if these bacterium can eat just about everything, survive a nuclear blast and still keep on ticking...what happens if they set their sights on US?
i'm not trying to be fatalistic, but if someone decides that they CAN do something, where are the checks and balances to determine if they SHOULD (to paraphrase Jurassic Park)?
i like the idea of dropping a handful of bacterium into an oil spill to help clean it up... but again, what do the bacteria do AFTER they're done with the oil?
I personally like mail.com. You can choose a @whereever.com domain (they have several to choose from) and offer some pretty good services, such as POP3 access, Organizer and forwarding. Best of all, it's not owned or supported by M$.
I've had NOTHING but troubles with the PCI128 sound card. Perhaps it was my choice of PCI slot, but from day 1 I never got it to work 'quite' right.
Go with the SBLive! Value instead. Similar price, better card.
Um, don't the microcode patches have to be done without a protected OS? And AFAIK, rebooting the system after installing the microcode CLEARS the microcode area. This is why microcode patches are run from floppies that install the code, then pause and tell you to REMOVE the floppy, THEN run an INT19 to restart (without initializing the processor) and boot from the hard disk.
:)
At least, that's been MY experience.
...especially if you leave out all of the 'making of' and other trailers and such. If you included BOTH SE and the originals on a DVD, you could put the extra crap on a separate DVD (4 DVD SET! Now only $89.95).
Of course, in doing that George couldn't make 2x+ the profits from selling them as separate entities (and boxed sets).
The only reason we want color displays on our Palms is so that we can view our Pr0n in 256 colors.
Screw the web, screw additional functionality, give me PR0N in COLOR, damnit! I can't EVEN tell what that IS in 4-shade greyscale. [squint, squint]
This sounds a LOT like what happened a while ago with the Intel/Digital suits. Digital sued Intel claiming the PPro/6th Gen processors used their technology. Intel counter-sued.
:) Sound familiar?
THEN they both made nice and Intel bought Digital's technology.
I still think it's neat to have a full moon on the Winter Solstice, though :)
i'm with you there. the nakedness is entirely optional.
unavailable to small ISPs who don't have the $$$ to back up such a lawsuit.
Ever hear of pro-bono? This case sets a precident (or perhaps there was another, don't remember) in that the Spammer can be sued - and the Plaintiff (said ISP) can probably get a sizable sum. Granted a small ISP with ~100 users won't get $600k, but it would surely be enough to pay for attorney fees.
plus, the lawfirm would get a nice plug on /.
the cd-rom being the only visible proof that anything was done to the monitor. :)
actually what i find interesting is that he spent an entire day getting the cd-rom to look nice but then hacked up the back of the monitor to push out the usb/net ports. if you're going to do it at all, do it RIGHT!
sheesh!
i think he's got a G3 under there somewhere...
okay, this would be cool for many reasons, but why wouldn't you just drop a 10G drive into your current linux box, mount it as /home/mp3 (or whereever), share it and be done with it?
i DO however like the FM transmitter feature.
lame. really, really lame.
it's not just the bleeding edge hardware, either - i re-installed win98se about a week ago with a STB Velocity 4400 AGP (nvidia riva TNT) and a Diamond Monster MX300 PCI sound card. this supposedly 'new' version of windows couldn't find the drivers for EITHER card.
luckily i had downloaded the latest drivers a few weeks before and was able to get things straightened out. but these are NOT new items! the nvidia GeForce is soon to come, and the MX300 is at least 6 months to a year old!
although i can see the need for identification, why do they have to use the SSN? HOW difficult is it to cross-reference an arbitrary number to the SSN in a computer database? not very.
just about every high-tech company in my area (Portland, OR) has some kind of badging, and afaik, NONE of them use a SSN to identify the employees.
I was 10542645, and to tell you the truth i feel naked without my badge. but EVERY application that required my ID number automatically cross-refed all the other data on my person.
simple, eh?