so you claim there really are books out there other than "TechnologyX and how to implement it properly"?!? wow, i've gotta expand into other isles of the book store/library...
iirc, the lowend box there was 299$ w/o monitor. that's not to shabby for a lowend box w/ preinstalled linux. even if it's not your favorite distro. i assume there's some support for those things. it could make better than ordering all the pieces from pricewatch and then assembling/testing the unit yourself, though not quite as fun.
use it? try to code to it. that'll shake your tail feathers a little.
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i'm not a guru in the least, but this almost sounds like the problem space that XML/DTD's attempt to solve. if application engineers would put configuration information in XML format and provide DTD's, couldn't a generic interface be provided which would allow editing those configurations?
for one, they can have a product that implements the spec. in the past that hasn't gone a long way in the browser world, but it will. retrofitting websites isn't going to be that bad, most sites get or should have a lift every 6 months anyway. it's going to take a few months, but i suspect by end of year the corporate world will take heed.
secondly, it's the features. the marketdroids will need to have the kewl features, and will put it on their desktop. then they'll test the web changes using it. and then the development team will have to have it. it will slowly spread all around.
it's the corporate market that shapes the consumer markets. people will use the same products at home that they're use to at work. once some large corporations make moz/nn once again the browser of choice in their environment, ie will start to loose it's market share.
m$ originally combatted NN with bundling the browser. win 95 came with ie 3.0. at the time, people were willing to install NN because it was better. but when win started being included with IE 4.0 that changed. people saw that it was a fairly good browser, and gave up NN like last week's girlfriend. no phone call, nothing. when ie 5.x was getting started, and NN released their pathetic 6.0 browser it was just to keep a minute amount of people happy (it probably didn't really do that) and to kinda let hte public know they were still alive. again moz will change that. it's a better browser and once users (and corporate environments) see it's features and functionality, i see them flocking. IE's time is limited. when moz is able to replace win's file explorer all around, it will gain more share. it's still too easy to be browsing local files in M$ windows and just decide you want to bring up a web page, and type it in the address bar there. tabbed browsing and no pop-ups are an excellent start, now it's on to level 2...
exactly, and moz is going to change that 95%. developers (and their managers) would rather code to an RFC than to some piece of software (browser). just like java developers would rather code to the java platform and not to some specific java compiler or OS. did java developers in the past develop OS specific code? of course, but the tout of the language and the platform is it's portability. developers can code to a standard, and the jvm vendors must implement that standard. the best implementors will get the most business. same goes for web browsers.
on your frames example, it just shows how using a non-standard technology can bite you in the arse. the RFC's and standards in general are all about generating public debates on the usefullness of technologies and to allow other ideas to surface in the process. propriatary technologies are just that, some isolated idea from a cube farm that manages to work it's way into the next product. not really the best way to innovate.
computing gear comes after food and supplies? sounds like someone needs a little priority check.... first buy the hardware, then what's left goes for ramen noodles.
you describe a common issue for people with ie 5.x and NN 4.7 installed.
then in enters mozilla.... the most standards compliant browser around. let me tell you web developers would LOVE to code to a standard and not to a browser. i think mozilla (and the next gen NN) will change the way web sites are being coded. sure the old ones will have to be updated, but that happens every 3-6 months anyway. how many sites still have "best viewed with NN 4.7 or IE 4.x" on them? those browsers have been obsolete since 2k at least. (just to point out, there are many W3C standards that IE doesn't implement correctly either, but hey, we've coded around them since that has been the defacto standard for the last 2+yrs).
add on top of that features and time to market. mozilla is a rapidly developing browser. it took a while to get where it is today, but lots of that has been foundation. now it's being rapidly refined and innovated. IE just can't/won't do that. it's part of the OS after all;). the NN releases might be more less frequent, but i tell ya, this browser is catching on, and quickly. why? the features. users like to stop the annoying pop up windows. users like tabbed browsing. users will switch in a heartbeat for a standards compliant browser that has better features. that time to market "feature" is how users will continue to receive more and more features before the competition has beta's out.
yeah, it runs windows. it runs X-windows, and even lots of applications for M$ windows. the "does it run windows? question could happen for any distro being pre-installed. fact is, most people won't even ask someone because the "sales reps" (shelf stockers) at the walmart stores are less than knowledgeable and less than friendly.
sure, some people will take it home and hook it up and find that the games they got at best-buy don't work so well in it. they might even take it back. then there are those who will never now any better.
i know you're being funny, but in that 3 years, the moz team created an entirely new code base, a development platform, and a standards compliant browser, all free as in speach/beer to boot. moz is also making huge strides forward these days that it's getting to be a challenge to keep up with all the upgrades.
8 years!?! first of all, that's close to disolution of charter as others have mentioned. this isn't quite the internet boom age anymore, but there are still demands for software advancement.
secondly, have you used KDE, mozilla, open office lately? these products are currently shaking up the M$ camp. if all M$ developers, engineers, etc. were sent on leave for one year (keep a core nimbda resolution team around), they would be playing catch-up for the next few years (possibly some of those workers would contribute to the os projects as well).
to be honest, i tested out of algebra, so didn't have to endure that. a programmable calculator may not be needed for algebra, but a standard calc would help apply the logic w/o having so much to have to wory about applying 4th grade math. the most difficult math class as part of my ciriculum was stats, and a basic calculator was used to do the basic math of the formulas. we had to memorize the formulas, and be able to apply them with the calculator. others i knew were taking calculus and used some programmable calculator (TI maybe).
i think we were alowed (?) to use a calc for the accounting classes, but those were never really needed.
...but switched back to 1.0 because it was crashing every time I visited Slashdot!
get the feeling someone is trying to tell you something?;). how does k5 load up in the 1.1? other linux sites? the problem is only with/.? coincidence... I think not.
i've taken business classes like the ones you've mentioned, and there is no calculator needed or aloud. i've also taken classes where calculators are required and heavily used. i think it's the latter where the concern lies, especially in hard core math classes.
first, i've never really heard of a dial up having GB/mo caps. interesting...
next, i would HIGHLY recommend getting highspeed now if it's available and you're not planning to move anytime soon. unless your budget will be taking a huge hit, you're really missing out. at least for us who love to be constantly connected (you have to wait for the modem to dial out before you can load a web page?, wow those were the days).
there's a big problem with this model. the middle man (end retailor) is still keeping his chunk of the pie. and the consumer is getting nixed in the process. next time, build, don't buy.
maybe dell or some major manufacturers do this now, but when i bought my computer w/ win98 pre-installed from a local custom build store, there was no clicking to accept any software EULA's.
come to think of it, you'de have a hell of a time getting to use your new computer with all the EULA's on the damn thing. most computers seem to come with multi-gig of software that is never even touched.
generally, the parents are responsible for a child's actions, so if a child installs some software, i would think the courts would bind the parents to the "contract".
watching a movie on TV is still contributing indirectly to its creators and the MPAA. the networks pay royalties to the film to be able to show it on tv. they in turn receive advertising revenue during that spot.
NYT is a business and do need to pay expenses, and ceo salaries, etc. in the online world, there's a few options, pay per read, tell us lots about you that others will buy from us, or x10 pop-up windows. with the onslaught of mozilla users, hopefully the last will be come obsolete.
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so you claim there really are books out there other than "TechnologyX and how to implement it properly"?!? wow, i've gotta expand into other isles of the book store/library...
iirc, the lowend box there was 299$ w/o monitor. that's not to shabby for a lowend box w/ preinstalled linux. even if it's not your favorite distro. i assume there's some support for those things. it could make better than ordering all the pieces from pricewatch and then assembling/testing the unit yourself, though not quite as fun.
it's the bold piece that everyone is constantly at war over. at least that's how it's presented to us.
ok the last one's really stretching it, but really, i agree with you. that line of interferance needs to be clearly defined and kept in check.
use it? try to code to it. that'll shake your tail feathers a little.
XML as noted is merely a vehicle for storing data. the biggest gain is in its accompanying technologies. XSL/XSLT, DTD, schema's, can be used to provide usefull interfaces so the end users never has to look at or decipher an xml file.
i'm not a guru in the least, but this almost sounds like the problem space that XML/DTD's attempt to solve. if application engineers would put configuration information in XML format and provide DTD's, couldn't a generic interface be provided which would allow editing those configurations?
for one, they can have a product that implements the spec. in the past that hasn't gone a long way in the browser world, but it will. retrofitting websites isn't going to be that bad, most sites get or should have a lift every 6 months anyway. it's going to take a few months, but i suspect by end of year the corporate world will take heed.
secondly, it's the features. the marketdroids will need to have the kewl features, and will put it on their desktop. then they'll test the web changes using it. and then the development team will have to have it. it will slowly spread all around.
it's the corporate market that shapes the consumer markets. people will use the same products at home that they're use to at work. once some large corporations make moz/nn once again the browser of choice in their environment, ie will start to loose it's market share.
m$ originally combatted NN with bundling the browser. win 95 came with ie 3.0. at the time, people were willing to install NN because it was better. but when win started being included with IE 4.0 that changed. people saw that it was a fairly good browser, and gave up NN like last week's girlfriend. no phone call, nothing. when ie 5.x was getting started, and NN released their pathetic 6.0 browser it was just to keep a minute amount of people happy (it probably didn't really do that) and to kinda let hte public know they were still alive. again moz will change that. it's a better browser and once users (and corporate environments) see it's features and functionality, i see them flocking. IE's time is limited. when moz is able to replace win's file explorer all around, it will gain more share. it's still too easy to be browsing local files in M$ windows and just decide you want to bring up a web page, and type it in the address bar there. tabbed browsing and no pop-ups are an excellent start, now it's on to level 2...
exactly, and moz is going to change that 95%. developers (and their managers) would rather code to an RFC than to some piece of software (browser). just like java developers would rather code to the java platform and not to some specific java compiler or OS. did java developers in the past develop OS specific code? of course, but the tout of the language and the platform is it's portability. developers can code to a standard, and the jvm vendors must implement that standard. the best implementors will get the most business. same goes for web browsers.
on your frames example, it just shows how using a non-standard technology can bite you in the arse. the RFC's and standards in general are all about generating public debates on the usefullness of technologies and to allow other ideas to surface in the process. propriatary technologies are just that, some isolated idea from a cube farm that manages to work it's way into the next product. not really the best way to innovate.
computing gear comes after food and supplies? sounds like someone needs a little priority check.... first buy the hardware, then what's left goes for ramen noodles.
you describe a common issue for people with ie 5.x and NN 4.7 installed.
.... the most standards compliant browser around. let me tell you web developers would LOVE to code to a standard and not to a browser. i think mozilla (and the next gen NN) will change the way web sites are being coded. sure the old ones will have to be updated, but that happens every 3-6 months anyway. how many sites still have "best viewed with NN 4.7 or IE 4.x" on them? those browsers have been obsolete since 2k at least. (just to point out, there are many W3C standards that IE doesn't implement correctly either, but hey, we've coded around them since that has been the defacto standard for the last 2+yrs).
;). the NN releases might be more less frequent, but i tell ya, this browser is catching on, and quickly. why? the features. users like to stop the annoying pop up windows. users like tabbed browsing. users will switch in a heartbeat for a standards compliant browser that has better features. that time to market "feature" is how users will continue to receive more and more features before the competition has beta's out.
then in enters mozilla
add on top of that features and time to market. mozilla is a rapidly developing browser. it took a while to get where it is today, but lots of that has been foundation. now it's being rapidly refined and innovated. IE just can't/won't do that. it's part of the OS after all
yeah, it runs windows. it runs X-windows, and even lots of applications for M$ windows. the "does it run windows? question could happen for any distro being pre-installed. fact is, most people won't even ask someone because the "sales reps" (shelf stockers) at the walmart stores are less than knowledgeable and less than friendly.
sure, some people will take it home and hook it up and find that the games they got at best-buy don't work so well in it. they might even take it back. then there are those who will never now any better.
i know you're being funny, but in that 3 years, the moz team created an entirely new code base, a development platform, and a standards compliant browser, all free as in speach/beer to boot. moz is also making huge strides forward these days that it's getting to be a challenge to keep up with all the upgrades.
8 years!?! first of all, that's close to disolution of charter as others have mentioned. this isn't quite the internet boom age anymore, but there are still demands for software advancement.
secondly, have you used KDE, mozilla, open office lately? these products are currently shaking up the M$ camp. if all M$ developers, engineers, etc. were sent on leave for one year (keep a core nimbda resolution team around), they would be playing catch-up for the next few years (possibly some of those workers would contribute to the os projects as well).
to be honest, i tested out of algebra, so didn't have to endure that. a programmable calculator may not be needed for algebra, but a standard calc would help apply the logic w/o having so much to have to wory about applying 4th grade math. the most difficult math class as part of my ciriculum was stats, and a basic calculator was used to do the basic math of the formulas. we had to memorize the formulas, and be able to apply them with the calculator. others i knew were taking calculus and used some programmable calculator (TI maybe).
i think we were alowed (?) to use a calc for the accounting classes, but those were never really needed.
...but switched back to 1.0 because it was crashing every time I visited Slashdot!
;). how does k5 load up in the 1.1? other linux sites? the problem is only with /.? coincidence ... I think not.
get the feeling someone is trying to tell you something?
i've taken business classes like the ones you've mentioned, and there is no calculator needed or aloud. i've also taken classes where calculators are required and heavily used. i think it's the latter where the concern lies, especially in hard core math classes.
first, i've never really heard of a dial up having GB/mo caps. interesting...
next, i would HIGHLY recommend getting highspeed now if it's available and you're not planning to move anytime soon. unless your budget will be taking a huge hit, you're really missing out. at least for us who love to be constantly connected (you have to wait for the modem to dial out before you can load a web page?, wow those were the days).
there's a big problem with this model. the middle man (end retailor) is still keeping his chunk of the pie. and the consumer is getting nixed in the process. next time, build, don't buy.
maybe dell or some major manufacturers do this now, but when i bought my computer w/ win98 pre-installed from a local custom build store, there was no clicking to accept any software EULA's.
come to think of it, you'de have a hell of a time getting to use your new computer with all the EULA's on the damn thing. most computers seem to come with multi-gig of software that is never even touched.
generally, the parents are responsible for a child's actions, so if a child installs some software, i would think the courts would bind the parents to the "contract".
watching a movie on TV is still contributing indirectly to its creators and the MPAA. the networks pay royalties to the film to be able to show it on tv. they in turn receive advertising revenue during that spot.
awww come one. you gotta be willing to at least give up 45-50k.
the open source model makes it quite easy to get around those million spam adds.
NYT is a business and do need to pay expenses, and ceo salaries, etc. in the online world, there's a few options, pay per read, tell us lots about you that others will buy from us, or x10 pop-up windows. with the onslaught of mozilla users, hopefully the last will be come obsolete.