Logically, what you say makes sense. Legally, it does not.
You may have some fair use rights to the instance ON THAT CD, but that does not mean the person giving you the copy online has permission to do so, and if it's illegal for him to give you a copy, you are receiving an illegal copy.
Fair use is a murky wood, and in the slashdot world, it's very over used.
You can say "that's silly, that's not logical".. but it's the law.
You should realize that your rights are not granted to you by the constitution, they are inherent. The constitution just sets out several rights that, NO MATTER WHAT, cannot be infringed on. Meaning: no matter how much anyone begs screams and wails, a law that violates those rights cannot legally exist.
Your rights are not granted by the government.
the government is not "Killing off an industry". As the right to privacy AND the right to profit are both not guaranteed by the constitution, the government is not forbidden from doing anything about it. If the people dont' want these scumbags calling them, it is their right to do something about it.
Let's say you have two music download systems, offerred by record labels.
One, has strict DRM. Let's say this DRM system is well implemented, and reasonably easy to use. The user still has to do things like keep in mind how many copies they are allowed to make, and a complex set of rules that they are locked into.
Company Two has no DRM. You can do whatever the technology lets you. The law still applies.. but they don't care.
Who's got a cheaper cost? Which system is easier to use?
The software companies found that the digital protections were time and money wasted, because ultimately, it didn't matter, and those that didnt' waste time and effort on copy protection just had more money to spend.
Note: Token protection that offers some level of discouragement for joe average DOES have value.. even if in ta theoretical world it provides no security.
Another example:
DAT - Minidisc -vs- CDRom.
The reason minidisc and dat players never took off in the americas was becuase they were REQURIED BY LAW to have DRM built in.
Gnome is apple like. The way the application bars work is more logical, and flows better (or woudl if it wasn't so slow)
KDE is windows like. It definately wants to be like windows.
Of course, KDE is a lot faster and smoother overall.. soy ou be the judge.
Apple isn't that pissy about aqua knock offs. They were concerned about brand recognition for their new OS.. that's all. The usability and UI design of the Mac goes far beyond the color and shape of some buttons.
There is a huge difference in ease of use for a new user between the UI in windows and the mac.. they are not just two different variations of the same thing.. the apple interface is very well researched, they understand how people naturally try to use things, how your attention flows..... Microsoft does not. Their interface is not BAD, there are certainly far worse.. but they really don't get it as far as real UI design.
There are two issues here. One is their lawsuit with IBM, which is about trade secrets, in other words, contracts.
The other is the public FUD campaign about how SCOs "intellectual property" is what is responsible for the success of linux, and that everyone who runs linux owes SCO money, etcetera.
If IBM leaked COPYRIGHTED stuff into the linux kernel, we may have to take it out. If IBM leaked trade secrets.. IBM will bear the damages, not the rest of hte linux world, who did nothing wrong.
is consistency. I don't really care if it's POSIX or not. I care if it's consistent.
Consistency across platforms is more important than POSIX.
In other wods: If everyone is going to conform to posix completely, fine, let's do it. If one distro or another is going to be "different" by complying, it's not worth it.
The CD is read only. The live filesystem is most likely not.
So when you reboot, you get a fresh start.. but otherwise, it's still a running machine, and you can infect and do what you want with it until it restarts.
Under the GPL, all tweaks and applications developed for the operating system must be released to the community. That restriction does not hold true on commercial versions.
I'm surprised nobody is jumping on it yet.. because it's bullshit.
Someone already mentioned that trade secrets are not protected IP.. Neither is a trademark. A trademark is a protected mark, yes... but it's not really under the scope of intellectual property.
If we infringe on a MS patent, maybe... but the insinuation that we infringe on it because we copied them.. that's another story. Remember, a great many software patents are held only protectively.. they may not even be enforceable if it came down to a lawsuit.. it just keeps MS from being sued.
MS IP "leaekd" into the OSS world just like OSS IP "leaked" into the MS world. And every developer's ideas leak to every other developers.. it's called "knowledge"
And we would find out who submitted the code, and THEY would be up on felony charges for stealing the code.. and the OSS project itslef would just remove the offending code.
can't STOP WINE from existing.. it's not within their rights. DO you think Wine needs permission from microsoft to emulate their APIS? Where did you get that idea?
Second, as long as Gates and others are going to toss around the generic term "IP" instead of stating something specific... it's all meaningless babble. IP falls into several clealry defined categories, none of which you necessarily violate when you "clone" something.
Unless we used one of their patented methods, or violated their copyright by copying their code, there IS NO OTHER SUCH THING as "IP" that has any legal meaning.
This relates to teh SCO case because of the tossing around of the term "IP"
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get journalists to stop reporting stupid claims of "IP" theft?
It's like saying "They stole our karma".. it's a fictional thing that can't be proven.
Intellectual Property takes one of several specific forms, well defined by law. It's not a general thing.. like "Hey I had that idea, and you used it, so you stole my IP".
Copyright - Original works cannot be copied verbatim. This doens't protect ideas, just specific works. Example: You can't make copies of Windows and sell it without permission.
Patent - Must be registered. Gives absolute protection over the use of a mechanism. Example: firewire. Every firewire device pays Apple a royalty.
Secret (trade secret) - A method where nobody who knows your secret is given access to it except under strict contract. Not really a form of IP.. if someone figures it out and is not under contract, they are free to disclose it. The only value of this kind of so-called IP is if you can manage to keep it a secret. Example: Formula for Coca-cola.
All these companies running around saying "our IP has been taken" is just a bunch of stupid spin-doctoring, and the media should stop catering to it. If SCO has a valid case, they can take it up in court. The same goes for Microsoft, or anyone else.. but running around claiming "IP" theft without specific details is like saying "some people got some ideas from us". Well.. guess what MS.. you and every other software developer out there free or not, got ideas from someone else at some point and used them in their software. big deal.
Nothing to see if we go perpendicular. Most of the material if scientific interest is in the same plane as the planets.. so it makes sense to send something out there.
Also , to get far enough to see the galaxy, or even a portion of it? It would take thousands or millions of years to get to the nearest STAR, let alone far enough "up" to see any kind of larger shape.
You do realize that with proper software processes, the DESIGN of the software is separate from the implementation? The people in India aren't writing the specification.. they are just doing the code monkey work. They get a spec, and have to write the appropriate code. Like an assembly line. No pun intended.
Software is becoming commoditized......
When I have a specification for something I want written, I don't want INNOVATION, I want solid code, period. I don't really care if you think some feature needs to be added, that's not what you are paid for. You are not the designer.
And, in the case where this foreign company IS being asked to come up with something... you feel that the foreign worker will not put as much effort into his job as a local one is? Do you think he doesn't appreciate his job? Why is that? Do you think he feels jaded that his job doesn't pay as much as yours?
It's in the System Preferences, it's the icon that says "Universal Access", in the System section.
Disk ejection is not a problem in linux. Unmount the disk, you can eject it. In windows, you can usually always eject a disk. In MacOS, it's usually not a problem unless you installed something weird. I've never found F12 to fail me.
How many years until you are a senior citizen? Eyesight failing?
By your comment, I'd guess you are around 20.
I can think of many good linux hackers who are in their 40s, and certainly know a number of hardcore linux/unix guys who are in their mid to late 50s...
So what was that about no senior citizens? Maybe you won't be going out to teach gramps linux, but there are a number of people who WILL very shortly be having trouble with their eyesight.. so the question is very valid.
Because when I crank up the DPI setting in windows, I get just that.. smoother text, smoother widgets, and a better looking, sharper screen.
As for "how many people want to go into advanced settings" what are you kidding? That's one click away in windows... that's no big deal. That doesnt' even register as a hard to find place in the windows world. That's what that setting is FOR.
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Logically, what you say makes sense.
Legally, it does not.
You may have some fair use rights to the instance ON THAT CD, but that does not mean the person giving you the copy online has permission to do so, and if it's illegal for him to give you a copy, you are receiving an illegal copy.
Fair use is a murky wood, and in the slashdot world, it's very over used.
You can say "that's silly, that's not logical".. but it's the law.
You should realize that your rights are not granted to you by the constitution, they are inherent. The constitution just sets out several rights that, NO MATTER WHAT, cannot be infringed on. Meaning: no matter how much anyone begs screams and wails, a law that violates those rights cannot legally exist.
Your rights are not granted by the government.
the government is not "Killing off an industry". As the right to privacy AND the right to profit are both not guaranteed by the constitution, the government is not forbidden from doing anything about it. If the people dont' want these scumbags calling them, it is their right to do something about it.
Let's say you have two music download systems, offerred by record labels.
One, has strict DRM. Let's say this DRM system is well implemented, and reasonably easy to use. The user still has to do things like keep in mind how many copies they are allowed to make, and a complex set of rules that they are locked into.
Company Two has no DRM. You can do whatever the technology lets you. The law still applies.. but they don't care.
Who's got a cheaper cost? Which system is easier to use?
The software companies found that the digital protections were time and money wasted, because ultimately, it didn't matter, and those that didnt' waste time and effort on copy protection just had more money to spend.
Note: Token protection that offers some level of discouragement for joe average DOES have value.. even if in ta theoretical world it provides no security.
Another example:
DAT - Minidisc -vs- CDRom.
The reason minidisc and dat players never took off in the americas was becuase they were REQURIED BY LAW to have DRM built in.
From a pure UI point of view:
Gnome is apple like. The way the application bars work is more logical, and flows better (or woudl if it wasn't so slow)
KDE is windows like. It definately wants to be like windows.
Of course, KDE is a lot faster and smoother overall.. soy ou be the judge.
Apple isn't that pissy about aqua knock offs. They were concerned about brand recognition for their new OS.. that's all. The usability and UI design of the Mac goes far beyond the color and shape of some buttons.
There is a huge difference in ease of use for a new user between the UI in windows and the mac.. they are not just two different variations of the same thing.. the apple interface is very well researched, they understand how people naturally try to use things, how your attention flows.....
Microsoft does not. Their interface is not BAD, there are certainly far worse.. but they really don't get it as far as real UI design.
how come I never, ever get mod points. It's been like well over a year. Am I missing a setting somewhere?
Exactly.
There are two issues here. One is their lawsuit with IBM, which is about trade secrets, in other words, contracts.
The other is the public FUD campaign about how SCOs "intellectual property" is what is responsible for the success of linux, and that everyone who runs linux owes SCO money, etcetera.
If IBM leaked COPYRIGHTED stuff into the linux kernel, we may have to take it out.
If IBM leaked trade secrets.. IBM will bear the damages, not the rest of hte linux world, who did nothing wrong.
Okay.. I apologize for questioning you in that case.
It's just.. I have a hard time believing even a beat up old car could possibly be as agonizing and horrible as SCO.
is consistency. I don't really care if it's POSIX or not. I care if it's consistent.
Consistency across platforms is more important than POSIX.
In other wods: If everyone is going to conform to posix completely, fine, let's do it. If one distro or another is going to be "different" by complying, it's not worth it.
You probably had fun with your beat up ford econoline.
SCO UNIX is the single crappiest unix ever to exist.
SCO's own UNIX products, and the copyright and other rights sco owns with regards to the genetic UNIX codebase are two different things entirely.
Whether or not SCO UNIX sucks or not has no actual bearing on their lawsuit.
The CD is read only. The live filesystem is most likely not.
So when you reboot, you get a fresh start.. but otherwise, it's still a running machine, and you can infect and do what you want with it until it restarts.
is this statement:
Under the GPL, all tweaks and applications developed for the operating system must be released to the community. That restriction does not hold true on commercial versions.
I'm surprised nobody is jumping on it yet.. because it's bullshit.
Someone already mentioned that trade secrets are not protected IP..
Neither is a trademark. A trademark is a protected mark, yes... but it's not really under the scope of intellectual property.
If we infringe on a MS patent, maybe... but the insinuation that we infringe on it because we copied them.. that's another story. Remember, a great many software patents are held only protectively.. they may not even be enforceable if it came down to a lawsuit.. it just keeps MS from being sued.
MS IP "leaekd" into the OSS world just like OSS IP "leaked" into the MS world. And every developer's ideas leak to every other developers.. it's called "knowledge"
And we would find out who submitted the code, and THEY would be up on felony charges for stealing the code.. and the OSS project itslef would just remove the offending code.
If they did such a thing, all we would have to do is prove they did it, and the code would be perfectly legal once again.
If it could be shown that Microsoft planted the code, that would constitute permission to use said code, and it would be a non issue.
can't STOP WINE from existing.. it's not within their rights.
DO you think Wine needs permission from microsoft to emulate their APIS? Where did you get that idea?
Second, as long as Gates and others are going to toss around the generic term "IP" instead of stating something specific... it's all meaningless babble. IP falls into several clealry defined categories, none of which you necessarily violate when you "clone" something.
Unless we used one of their patented methods, or violated their copyright by copying their code, there IS NO OTHER SUCH THING as "IP" that has any legal meaning.
This relates to teh SCO case because of the tossing around of the term "IP"
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get journalists to stop reporting stupid claims of "IP" theft?
It's like saying "They stole our karma".. it's a fictional thing that can't be proven.
Intellectual Property takes one of several specific forms, well defined by law. It's not a general thing.. like "Hey I had that idea, and you used it, so you stole my IP".
Copyright - Original works cannot be copied verbatim. This doens't protect ideas, just specific works. Example: You can't make copies of Windows and sell it without permission.
Patent - Must be registered. Gives absolute protection over the use of a mechanism. Example: firewire. Every firewire device pays Apple a royalty.
Secret (trade secret) - A method where nobody who knows your secret is given access to it except under strict contract. Not really a form of IP.. if someone figures it out and is not under contract, they are free to disclose it. The only value of this kind of so-called IP is if you can manage to keep it a secret. Example: Formula for Coca-cola.
All these companies running around saying "our IP has been taken" is just a bunch of stupid spin-doctoring, and the media should stop catering to it. If SCO has a valid case, they can take it up in court. The same goes for Microsoft, or anyone else.. but running around claiming "IP" theft without specific details is like saying "some people got some ideas from us". Well.. guess what MS.. you and every other software developer out there free or not, got ideas from someone else at some point and used them in their software. big deal.
Nothing to see if we go perpendicular. Most of the material if scientific interest is in the same plane as the planets.. so it makes sense to send something out there.
Also , to get far enough to see the galaxy, or even a portion of it? It would take thousands or millions of years to get to the nearest STAR, let alone far enough "up" to see any kind of larger shape.
And will remain so, until the day someone is actually thawed out and brought back to life.
Not a frog, or some other creature, but a human.
Until then, it remains a theory, and hence, a fantasy.
You do realize that with proper software processes, the DESIGN of the software is separate from the implementation? The people in India aren't writing the specification.. they are just doing the code monkey work. They get a spec, and have to write the appropriate code.
Like an assembly line.
No pun intended.
Software is becoming commoditized......
When I have a specification for something I want written, I don't want INNOVATION, I want solid code, period. I don't really care if you think some feature needs to be added, that's not what you are paid for. You are not the designer.
And, in the case where this foreign company IS being asked to come up with something... you feel that the foreign worker will not put as much effort into his job as a local one is? Do you think he doesn't appreciate his job? Why is that? Do you think he feels jaded that his job doesn't pay as much as yours?
Since when are laborers innovative?
Welll, I run windows at 120dpi, and NONE of my apps have ever refused to scale.
So.. check your facts buddy. Maybe you didn't notice the DPI setting?
It's in the System Preferences, it's the icon that says "Universal Access", in the System section.
Disk ejection is not a problem in linux. Unmount the disk, you can eject it.
In windows, you can usually always eject a disk.
In MacOS, it's usually not a problem unless you installed something weird. I've never found F12 to fail me.
Yes, Google, usenet, and irc
How many years until you are a senior citizen? Eyesight failing?
By your comment, I'd guess you are around 20.
I can think of many good linux hackers who are in their 40s, and certainly know a number of hardcore linux/unix guys who are in their mid to late 50s...
So what was that about no senior citizens? Maybe you won't be going out to teach gramps linux, but there are a number of people who WILL very shortly be having trouble with their eyesight.. so the question is very valid.
Because when I crank up the DPI setting in windows, I get just that.. smoother text, smoother widgets, and a better looking, sharper screen.
As for "how many people want to go into advanced settings" what are you kidding? That's one click away in windows... that's no big deal. That doesnt' even register as a hard to find place in the windows world. That's what that setting is FOR.
Opera scales entire pages, btw.