I assume you meant novice. In which case, does this mean that the KOffice programmers aren't even up to the level of 'novice'? Come on.
Yeah - just tell people to remember to always hit SHIFT before referencing any cell names or functions. But don't hold it down all the time, or ALL your text will be caps, and it'll look like you're shouting.
Isn't this what a computer is supposed to do? Take away the trivial, mundane tasks like figuring out what function I mean whether I type SUM or sum? I'm sure many think this case-insensitivity thing is some sort of Microsoft strike for world domination, but perhaps they do it (and most everyone else did before them too) because it MAKES SENSE. But since when has MAKING SENSE had much to do with most Linux programs anyway, right?
How about you just CODE it to be case insensitive. Since it's so EASY to change (OPEN SOURCE!) any Lunix geek that wants to remember to hit SHIFT when typing certain functions can just change it themselves and recompile the program. Come on - any novice can do it.
Quit with the MS bashing on this. Go back before MS stuff - I do believe Lotus 123 would take SUM and sum to be the same thing. It's a function, and should be regarded as being the same. I'm sure all unix geeks would love to have SUM() do something different than sum(), claiming that that's perfectly normal, but it's not. I think even dbase way back in the 80s wasn't case sensitive. Sure it'd get you more columns (a-z, A-z, aA-zZ, etc.) but that's just messed up.
Unfortunately, I can't get the latest Koffice to run, cause libkprint or something isn't right. A botched kde2.2 upgrade has left my linux box moderately unusable. However, I've used previous Koffice in the past, as well as StarOffice.
StarOffice kinda sucked with the whole 'desktop' thing, and I was much more eager to use Koffice day to day when necessary. But I've noticed that StarOffice seems further along functionality-wise, and the latest OpenOffice downloads seem to be coming along nicely. They've lost that 'desktop' thing, and the components will all be 'single app' programs - definitely a good move, imo.
Given that the OpenOffice/StarOffice platform seem to be much more cross platform than the KOffice stuff, could we not see some merging of the projects, if only complementary filters to import/export each others' file formats? Maybe this is being planned, but it's not something I've seen touted. What I like about StarOffice the most is the promise of cross-platformness. I can work on my Windows OR Linux machines (maybe Mac too, haven't checked) without worrying about learning new interfaces or file format problems.
It's been modded as interesting, but no follow up - could you post a bit more about your idea here?
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Aha - I guess that was my bad assumption. If that's the case - 25 pages/second average, across 6 machines, that's fine. But I also don't think that's anything to get all that excited about. Yes, I understand there's a lot of large db calls going on, but medium sized hardware handling 4 pages per second (with images from another server it seems) just doesn't sound that impressive.
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The article stated 50 pages/second were being served. 50 pages/second on ONE machine would be 86400*50=4320000. 4 million page views. From *one* machine. The article indicated 6 web servers, IIRC. 6 * 4 = 24 million page views. I realize there are spikes in usage - there's not an even distribution. And I also realize that the DB was working overtime (as were the people) trying to serve up info. But at the end of the day they recorded 3 million page views. Something doesn't seem to add up.
Realize that not everyone has access to a TV right now, and EVERY MAJOR NEWS WEBSITE IS UNREACHABLE for this story at the moment. OK - it's not NERDY NEWS, but news for nerds all the same. SOME people have SOME interest in things that happen outside their cubicle.
But - what defines 'best'? If 'best' is measured in time to complete the project, and someone has only EVER used one type (GUI or CLI) learning the other way will (considerable) time to the project, meaning it takes longer, and is therefore not 'best'. "Best tool for the job" is often misused and staying with one tool only becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
how many people at the meeting? i see signs in many restaurants that say 'gratuity of 15% automatically included for parties of 6 or more', etc. Not elegant, but I usually see the warning signs.
2) Make it available everywhere. People use AOL because they made getting their software easy. They put CD's everywhere. Downloading it from the internet is not good enough. Very few people have a fast network connection at home and even if they did they wouldn't likely download it. Sun needs to provide it to all OEMs, carpet bomb the US with CD's containing StarOffice From Sun, etc. Yes this costs money but it won't hurt Office unless it is done.
They should have done the same with Java, instead of relying on browsers and others to distribute their software (JRE) for them - or relying on people to download and install it.
Sure, but how do you know Linux is inferior without being able to see the source for Windows/Office/etc?
Define "inferior". "Inferior" to me is that I can't easily install many programs (rpm dependancy hell, etc) that make up the bulk of the reason people push Linux - open source software. If I can't install most of it, what's the point? "Inferior" also means less driver support, slower graphics display, and other things. I dual-boot between W2k and MDK8 - I don't need the source code to either to let me know one is inferior to the other for many tasks.
Funny - I've pulled the plug on my Win98 machine more than once, and Word was able to recover my files from its autobackup system. Just reload Word and it says " (RECOVERED)" or something similar to that (can't remember specifics). Win98 and Office 97. I bet O2000 and OXP have this as well.
AMEN! Thanks for saying what too many people seem to either not recognize or apologize for. One of my other pet peeves (besides what you mentioned) is copying. OK, OK - perhaps I'm just some stupid "windoze luser" or what lunix people want to call me, but JUST because I highlight something doesn't mean I want to copy it to my clipboard, erasing what's currently there. I want to specifically TELL the computer when to copy something.
Case in point - copy a URL, then go to a browser window and highlight over the old URL to paste the new one in. OOOPS! You just copied the old URL to the clipboard. What do you need to do? Either "open a new location" or position your mouse and hold DELETE.
In windows, you need to tell where to place software because the drive letter filing system forces you.
Not really - I don't NEED to - the packages usualyl suggest default locations, but I could change them if need be.
"and yet you can force a different location on the package, check out the options to dpkg and apt-get"
But it's still a command line switch - the whole point of the thread was gui installers. And "wizard" based ones at that.
Please don't get me started on apt-get, because I tried it. I tried it painfully for a week. When it worked, it worked great. When it didn't, I was completely and utterly without recourse. Gaim one day decided to completely not work. apt-getting upgrades/etc did nothing. Everybuddy dedided to flake out. Again, NOTHING you could do except apt-get crap. And the.deb from AOL for AIM just flat out wouldn't work either. When it didn't work, it was just a easier way to have a broken package. If I have to resort to getting sources and compiling, I may as well stick with slackware, instead of fooling myself with debian.
You STILL don't get a *STANDARD* method of selecting options during an install. I don't WANT *everything* installed with my office package. I only want Word and Excel, with spell checking, but not other features.
If there's an apt-get command to specify package-specific features during install:
1. I don't know about it, and none of my debian friends do (and I'd know because all they do is rant about how great debian is - if it had this feature, I'd have heard about it)
2. It's not easy - you're forcing me to remember weird switches. The whole point of the thread was setup.exe "installshield" type wizards.
There is no standard way of doing this under linux, and I fear there never will be, because conformity to a standard seems to be 100% at odds with Linux developers' attitudes.
Because during a setup.exe-type install under Windows I can *easily* tell the program where to install itself, it'll set up icons for my gui desktop, and I usually have the ability to select and unselect specific options before the package installs itself. AFAICT, rpm and apt-get just *put* stuff certain places. I seem to recall one package I apt-getted asking me a couple questions, but I can't remember the specifics, and it seemed to be the exception to the rule.
Really? Can you point me to a place on IBM where I can get DB2 on Linux for free? There seems to be NOTHING about how to actually PURCHASE their DB2 (broken links or circular references).
Is it really 'hacking'? Hacking may be broadly defined, but it USUALLY implies willfully circumventing security measures. If Microsoft is NOT verifying any information in the GET string (comparing USERNAME against my session IDs username), I'd argue back they aren't implementing security - certainly not REASONABLE security.
Let me get this straight...
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I've authenticated with a username and password, yet the username is also being passed in the GET string? And no check is being done to compare the username in the GET string is the same as the username associated with my session ID? Why is doing that simple comparison so hard? It would certainly "raise the bar" even higher on the "infeasible computational" chances of this happening.
This is similar to the Ameritech ebill security hole: no checking of user authentication - just GET any billing information with a *SEQUENTIAL* session ID in the GET string.
If this is an example of the authentication they've planned for Hailstorm services, I think many more people may have second thoughts about quick adoption.
It's LZW compression that's the problem. CREATING GIF files without using LZW compression doesn't require any payments/licensing/etc.
Why do free software people who scream about CHOICE *LIMIT* my choice by refusing to support GIF at all, instead of just providing the simple workaround of supporting nonLZW GIFs? The situation with browsers is a bit better NOW than it was a couple years ago with respect to PNG, but all the 'awesome' features of PNG aren't anywhere CLOSE to being supported - and I can't do animated PNG files. I can display the SAME PNG in IE and NS, and the color representations are vastly different in some cases. PNG support is nowhere close to what GIF support was, but because a few zealots got on their PNG campaign the majority of the community suffers.
Think of how many VB-based desktop apps are out there - figure that probably 70-80% of them bundle some form of the Jet engine, and/or use Access locally. That's been spreading for *years* and if you count that, 3% of the market for MySQL, PostgreSQL and others doesn't sound too far out. Of 'web-related' databases, I'd figure MySQL and PostgreSQL are probably a lot higher - certainly in the double digits.
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I assume you meant novice. In which case, does this mean that the KOffice programmers aren't even up to the level of 'novice'? Come on.
Yeah - just tell people to remember to always hit SHIFT before referencing any cell names or functions. But don't hold it down all the time, or ALL your text will be caps, and it'll look like you're shouting.
Isn't this what a computer is supposed to do? Take away the trivial, mundane tasks like figuring out what function I mean whether I type SUM or sum? I'm sure many think this case-insensitivity thing is some sort of Microsoft strike for world domination, but perhaps they do it (and most everyone else did before them too) because it MAKES SENSE. But since when has MAKING SENSE had much to do with most Linux programs anyway, right?
How about you just CODE it to be case insensitive. Since it's so EASY to change (OPEN SOURCE!) any Lunix geek that wants to remember to hit SHIFT when typing certain functions can just change it themselves and recompile the program. Come on - any novice can do it.
Quit with the MS bashing on this. Go back before MS stuff - I do believe Lotus 123 would take SUM and sum to be the same thing. It's a function, and should be regarded as being the same. I'm sure all unix geeks would love to have SUM() do something different than sum(), claiming that that's perfectly normal, but it's not. I think even dbase way back in the 80s wasn't case sensitive. Sure it'd get you more columns (a-z, A-z, aA-zZ, etc.) but that's just messed up.
Thanks. Perhaps I shouldn't have rambled about my KDE problems to start with. :)
Unfortunately, I can't get the latest Koffice to run, cause libkprint or something isn't right. A botched kde2.2 upgrade has left my linux box moderately unusable. However, I've used previous Koffice in the past, as well as StarOffice.
StarOffice kinda sucked with the whole 'desktop' thing, and I was much more eager to use Koffice day to day when necessary. But I've noticed that StarOffice seems further along functionality-wise, and the latest OpenOffice downloads seem to be coming along nicely. They've lost that 'desktop' thing, and the components will all be 'single app' programs - definitely a good move, imo.
Given that the OpenOffice/StarOffice platform seem to be much more cross platform than the KOffice stuff, could we not see some merging of the projects, if only complementary filters to import/export each others' file formats? Maybe this is being planned, but it's not something I've seen touted. What I like about StarOffice the most is the promise of cross-platformness. I can work on my Windows OR Linux machines (maybe Mac too, haven't checked) without worrying about learning new interfaces or file format problems.
It's been modded as interesting, but no follow up - could you post a bit more about your idea here?
Aha - I guess that was my bad assumption. If that's the case - 25 pages/second average, across 6 machines, that's fine. But I also don't think that's anything to get all that excited about. Yes, I understand there's a lot of large db calls going on, but medium sized hardware handling 4 pages per second (with images from another server it seems) just doesn't sound that impressive.
The article stated 50 pages/second were being served. 50 pages/second on ONE machine would be 86400*50=4320000. 4 million page views. From *one* machine. The article indicated 6 web servers, IIRC. 6 * 4 = 24 million page views. I realize there are spikes in usage - there's not an even distribution. And I also realize that the DB was working overtime (as were the people) trying to serve up info. But at the end of the day they recorded 3 million page views. Something doesn't seem to add up.
Realize that not everyone has access to a TV right now, and EVERY MAJOR NEWS WEBSITE IS UNREACHABLE for this story at the moment. OK - it's not NERDY NEWS, but news for nerds all the same. SOME people have SOME interest in things that happen outside their cubicle.
Why would you want to replicate a broken item?
But - what defines 'best'? If 'best' is measured in time to complete the project, and someone has only EVER used one type (GUI or CLI) learning the other way will (considerable) time to the project, meaning it takes longer, and is therefore not 'best'. "Best tool for the job" is often misused and staying with one tool only becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
how many people at the meeting? i see signs in many restaurants that say 'gratuity of 15% automatically included for parties of 6 or more', etc. Not elegant, but I usually see the warning signs.
2) Make it available everywhere. People use AOL because they made getting their software easy. They put CD's everywhere. Downloading it from the internet is not good enough. Very few people have a fast network connection at home and even if they did they wouldn't likely download it. Sun needs to provide it to all OEMs, carpet bomb the US with CD's containing StarOffice From Sun, etc. Yes this costs money but it won't hurt Office unless it is done.
They should have done the same with Java, instead of relying on browsers and others to distribute their software (JRE) for them - or relying on people to download and install it.
Sure, but how do you know Linux is inferior without being able to see the source for Windows/Office/etc?
Define "inferior". "Inferior" to me is that I can't easily install many programs (rpm dependancy hell, etc) that make up the bulk of the reason people push Linux - open source software. If I can't install most of it, what's the point? "Inferior" also means less driver support, slower graphics display, and other things. I dual-boot between W2k and MDK8 - I don't need the source code to either to let me know one is inferior to the other for many tasks.
Funny - I've pulled the plug on my Win98 machine more than once, and Word was able to recover my files from its autobackup system. Just reload Word and it says " (RECOVERED)" or something similar to that (can't remember specifics). Win98 and Office 97. I bet O2000 and OXP have this as well.
AMEN! Thanks for saying what too many people seem to either not recognize or apologize for. One of my other pet peeves (besides what you mentioned) is copying. OK, OK - perhaps I'm just some stupid "windoze luser" or what lunix people want to call me, but JUST because I highlight something doesn't mean I want to copy it to my clipboard, erasing what's currently there. I want to specifically TELL the computer when to copy something.
Case in point - copy a URL, then go to a browser window and highlight over the old URL to paste the new one in. OOOPS! You just copied the old URL to the clipboard. What do you need to do? Either "open a new location" or position your mouse and hold DELETE.
Excellent summary - exactly the way I feel. I was never pulled in by mhz alone anyway...
In windows, you need to tell where to place software because the drive letter filing system forces you.
.deb from AOL for AIM just flat out wouldn't work either. When it didn't work, it was just a easier way to have a broken package. If I have to resort to getting sources and compiling, I may as well stick with slackware, instead of fooling myself with debian.
Not really - I don't NEED to - the packages usualyl suggest default locations, but I could change them if need be.
"and yet you can force a different location on the package, check out the options to dpkg and apt-get"
But it's still a command line switch - the whole point of the thread was gui installers. And "wizard" based ones at that.
Please don't get me started on apt-get, because I tried it. I tried it painfully for a week. When it worked, it worked great. When it didn't, I was completely and utterly without recourse. Gaim one day decided to completely not work. apt-getting upgrades/etc did nothing. Everybuddy dedided to flake out. Again, NOTHING you could do except apt-get crap. And the
You STILL don't get a *STANDARD* method of selecting options during an install. I don't WANT *everything* installed with my office package. I only want Word and Excel, with spell checking, but not other features.
If there's an apt-get command to specify package-specific features during install:
1. I don't know about it, and none of my debian friends do (and I'd know because all they do is rant about how great debian is - if it had this feature, I'd have heard about it)
2. It's not easy - you're forcing me to remember weird switches. The whole point of the thread was setup.exe "installshield" type wizards.
There is no standard way of doing this under linux, and I fear there never will be, because conformity to a standard seems to be 100% at odds with Linux developers' attitudes.
Because during a setup.exe-type install under Windows I can *easily* tell the program where to install itself, it'll set up icons for my gui desktop, and I usually have the ability to select and unselect specific options before the package installs itself. AFAICT, rpm and apt-get just *put* stuff certain places. I seem to recall one package I apt-getted asking me a couple questions, but I can't remember the specifics, and it seemed to be the exception to the rule.
it's free as in beer
Really? Can you point me to a place on IBM where I can get DB2 on Linux for free? There seems to be NOTHING about how to actually PURCHASE their DB2 (broken links or circular references).
Is it really 'hacking'? Hacking may be broadly defined, but it USUALLY implies willfully circumventing security measures. If Microsoft is NOT verifying any information in the GET string (comparing USERNAME against my session IDs username), I'd argue back they aren't implementing security - certainly not REASONABLE security.
I've authenticated with a username and password, yet the username is also being passed in the GET string? And no check is being done to compare the username in the GET string is the same as the username associated with my session ID? Why is doing that simple comparison so hard? It would certainly "raise the bar" even higher on the "infeasible computational" chances of this happening.
This is similar to the Ameritech ebill security hole: no checking of user authentication - just GET any billing information with a *SEQUENTIAL* session ID in the GET string.
If this is an example of the authentication they've planned for Hailstorm services, I think many more people may have second thoughts about quick adoption.
Well said - I'd mod you up if I could. :)
It's LZW compression that's the problem. CREATING GIF files without using LZW compression doesn't require any payments/licensing/etc.
Why do free software people who scream about CHOICE *LIMIT* my choice by refusing to support GIF at all, instead of just providing the simple workaround of supporting nonLZW GIFs? The situation with browsers is a bit better NOW than it was a couple years ago with respect to PNG, but all the 'awesome' features of PNG aren't anywhere CLOSE to being supported - and I can't do animated PNG files. I can display the SAME PNG in IE and NS, and the color representations are vastly different in some cases. PNG support is nowhere close to what GIF support was, but because a few zealots got on their PNG campaign the majority of the community suffers.
extruding almost 1,000 people in layoffs due to an anemic advertising market and a need to meet projected revenue goals of about $40 billion
Does getting rid of workers increase *revenue*?
Think of how many VB-based desktop apps are out there - figure that probably 70-80% of them bundle some form of the Jet engine, and/or use Access locally. That's been spreading for *years* and if you count that, 3% of the market for MySQL, PostgreSQL and others doesn't sound too far out. Of 'web-related' databases, I'd figure MySQL and PostgreSQL are probably a lot higher - certainly in the double digits.