There is no way that a Google lawyer can confirm that no copies exist.
I am glad you have a lawyer that is cheap enough that you can talk to when you receive unintentional email. In my case I receive misdirected mail daily. Some of it spam. Some of it is not. If I remove most that I believe are scams then I may say that I receive on the average of 5 a week that could be real. If I would discuses these with my lawyer that would be around 5 hours a week at $320.00 per hour and it would represent something like $83,200/year.
By the way, could you please show us how you properly erased it on your end?
You sir are priceless! Just being polite. If you think the bank does not need to change the accounts. The bank cannot ensure that the information was never retrieved. Even if google says so.
Who refused? Not receiving a response is not a refusal! By any standard. How did they not cooperate? Can you please show how? You hold someone more responsible for their inaction, without even being able to prove that they were aware or that they refused than the creators of the problem. You sympathize with the bank? Oh poor bank they didn't know....
This is so far of the mark it can only come from a windows centric operation. What happens when the business' interest lies in a non microsoft solution? How does MS AD handle that?
If it's so simple to deploy then why are so many large companies so hesitant to upgrade?
I hear this a lot but have not seen it work with a mixed environment yet. Windows does not play well with others. If you care to lock yourself down to windows fine with me. I manage over 15 companies and the only common software they have is in the office. Unique business solutions require unique management software and AD is very limited!
We own part of these companies now. Might as well salvage something out of this disaster and use our control.
We own nothing and stop kidding yourselves. The people who signed that paper we call a constitution died long ago and with them the will to make the changes.
1. I must be able to just use it. No inch thick manuals
The original poster is talking about a mail server and you are referring to desktop apps. I will still bite. While I can agree that there are exceptions on all platforms once you understand how one particular platform acts, installing has always had particular issues on every platform. First, on Windows you need to make sure that the software is supported on your particular version and that you have Administrator privileges. If your system has been up and running for years you need to be very careful otherwise it will become unstable and you may need to reinstall ALL. If you need to set it up as a server you need to lock it down before you can place it live. Most apps are not available on other systems so it makes sharing as a whole more difficult. (Yeah, I herad it before as long as I lock myself into an only MS solution then life becomes simple unfortunately my life requires variety and like my cars I need different tools to fix different problems and my choice of one should never affect my choice for the other.)
Mac while I very much like how you drag and drop almost anywhere and it will run. It tends to run out of disk space faster than most due to the repetition of the libs. Apple has some apps that don't play well with others and when they can they like to lock you down as windows as well.
The least problems I've had installing apps is on FreeBSD. Apart from basic configurations systems can last for years within a regular upgrade cycle. Ubuntu has achieved this point as well. (I will not state whether other FLOSS systems have achieved this just to keep the post short.) Unfortunately, some desktop solutions and in this I mean multimedia are hard to find.
My choice for a server environment for now is FreeBSD for it's ease of use and simplicity to maintain but it is not the only server that I will install and it all depends on the requirements of a particular installation. On the Desktop for Multimedia it definitely a Mac too many reason to enumurate but they are slowly diminishing. As for an office environment Ubuntu, Mac or Windows in that order. Evaluation based on overall cost of the life of the system, available software for tasks, portability of corporate data and security. A game system Windows, Mac, Ubuntu is starting to move up due to wine but the game developers need to start supporting.
2. When I have a problem, who can I call to solve it for me.
As a general statement I manage to find more helpful information from oss.
3. I must be able to easily find it the software. (no version 1.3.2.3.4.1.455.5.beta.stable.gz). Just version 1 or 2 or 3 and then I download and use it on a customer oriented website and not a technical one.
If you don't care on Windows and mac why do you care on oss.? The latest release is the most feature rich and secure. On Ubuntu you don't even need to worry about it it maintains all automatically. If you care about security and having the latest and greatest of a software then again with oss you never need to leave your house.
4. It needs to be interoperable, meaning, when I create a document, file, whatever, my friends, family must be able to work with it.
All in all: Opensource has it's advantages, we all know them, and I most definitly support them, but when I get older, have less time, i just want a product that works, and I am willing to pay for it........... and that is a very sad conclusion.
I have been using computers since the first mac and pc. Like you I don't have time to waste. My file server is FreeBSD and has been running as such with an occasional port upgrade. I have "UPGRADED" all the hardware and added drives. When I need a new system I swap out the drive to the newer box. When I want/need to upgrade to a newer version I "SWAP OUT" the boot disk. I don't need any anti virus software so no slowdown of my system. I can access it from a
because of DRM. I use more than one system. I do not wish to load the game on the disk and still keep the DVD in the drive. I don't like to be kicked because some stupid punkbuster program gets it wrong! I'm not a thief don't treat me as such!
I agree so much with your statement but I have such a hard time comprehending why Apple needs me to login to iTunes in order to share my music with myself on other systems.
Or, why I have to load iTunes to transfer a song to my iPod/iPhone. Why can't I transfer a file through bluetooth? Why not a word/OO.o document? Why do I need an APP for that?
Fortunately I love computers and have not limited myself to "JUST WORK" or " PLUG AND PLAY" technology so I can solve stupid problems such as iTunes sharing music with ALL my systems and my children's systems. Be they Linux, Windows, FreeBSD or what not. That fact is there is no such thing as "JUST WORK" and when things are broken by design by Apple and Microsoft it can get very frustrating.
I have one music library and I share it with the household PS3, Wii, Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, iPods, iPhones, Nokias, and Macs in the house. We share the same music. Unfortunately it took a lot of time and energy to be configured to JUST WORK. No thanks to Apple.
Just try to migrate to a Linux mail server when all the users are using Pre's and iPhones to get email on the road
???? Where's the issue?
My iPhone accesses 6 different servers to get email. Makes my life simple without mixing stuff up and not needing to download all. It's a none issue. It's been my experience that the only people who suffer most of these compatibility issues are the ones who are tying themselves into proprietary solutions. 2 of which are Linux, 2 are FreeBSD, one is Exchange and one I never bothered to even check.
that's because most times it means opening up all kinds of security nightmares. when iphone 3G's first came out and people bought them, some thought we would actually open up imap through the firewall so they could access their emai
God forbid! Giving people access to their email over the Internet? What will it be next, the corporate website? Can you imagine the security nightmare?
There is no contract here EULA/License agreement is not always read by every user and in most cases is only presented after the sale when you are no longer able to return the product for a refund. I am sure that most people who bought the Kindle never read the license agreement BEFORE the purchase and were under the impression that they purchased as advertised a book reader.
Nice argument on sample size but was it representative? Ignorance? Was 1,176 a sample large enough to represent the the 40,000,000? I would assume not. You could assume so. The fact would still be that we would both be assuming.
On another note, why adjust up? Why not down? How was downloading explained? Did people download from iTunes, Amazon or TPB? Did people already own the download?
He was correct, by the way. He went on to rant that anything that uses large amounts of people (by which he meant more than at most a few dozen) was not proper statistics.
10 people could in no way make any reasonable assumption of any population. He was wrong. First and foremost 10 randomly selected people of any population would not represent any complete demographics of any nation. Rich, poor, middle class, professional, artist, unemployed, computer literate, music fan, and student does not come close to representing the whole segment of any nation. I am positive that you could fill in hundreds more. Some are more prone to "Download than others". The combinations and permutations may affect the results. The sample size needs to be large enough and random to arrive at any reasonable accuracy.
To add to this, what service are you expecting on a $9.95/month plan? Do you honestly think that you will get the help of knowledgeable tech when your server starts bouncing mail? These plans are only as good as the amount of business you are prepared to lose. With my experience with 1&1 is that even when you show them the problem and advise them on how to fix their servers, it still takes days to escalate the problem to someone who can do something about it.
Snake oil is only snake oil, there will always be someone willing to buy it!
If it ever came out that AT&T blocked the app it would almost mean the end for the iPhone At&T contract. It is the only reason that Apple admits to this. It make no sense for Apple to refuse GT. I've been in the board room and sometimes the public statements are not based in fact. There is no credible reason presented to date that would make sense for Apple to refuse google talk unless it is to preserve the contract with AT&T and the other telcos.
Just FYI, the iPod Touch is pretty much an iPhone minus the Phone, GPS and Compass*, and can run most of the same apps without any monthly cellular cost.
*I've probably left a couple of inconsequential things out, it doesn't matter.
YES but you need a credit card to buy on the iTunes store. Credit Cards are not issued to minors. Minors cannot purchase apps. If Apple was so concerned about the children it would have created a children's iTunes. If you can think of a simple solution to the children problem why can't Apple? Parental controls is an excuse to save face. I love Apple products it's just the Apple attitude that I can't stand. Unfortunately this is coming more and more from corporate America. For some reason corporate America believes that they still own the products they sell and the DMCA confirms it.
There were no parental controls when the app was submitted and there was no indication of a release date for parental controls.
Parents need to raise there children! Don't give the child a credit card and make sure you know what they load on the ipods. If for any reason anyone here thinks that parental controls will stop children from accessing inappropriate content then I have news for them... I have yet to see parental controls work. What parents need to do is raise their children. Yes I am a parent of three and all three are capable of bypassing the parental controls on almost all the devices. Because they can read!
When I was young ALL of this material was available. P0rn is not new. Dictionaries were always available. Encyclopedias had pictures. This is just the tame stuff. Talk to your child and communicate with them. Teach them how and what is important. Don't ever expect technology to do your job.
As for Apple. They have no explanation as to why they refused so they are inventing an excuse. Hindsight is 20/20 and Apple is offering a plausible explanation unless you ask yourself this. If the developer was told that it would be approved in 30 to 60 days why would the developer spend extra time and money correcting something that will be corrected?
Nothing prevented Apple from posting parental warnings on iTunes on "adult" material. Children are not issued credit cards therefore children should not have an iTunes account!!!! Therefore a parent is required to make the purchase! If Apple was concerned about the clients "children" they had every means possible to WARN the potential client that it contained ADULT material. If Apple is so concerned about the children then why don't they setup a children's iTunes store? Apple is not the peoples keeper and if you believe Apple's excuse then they are doing a horrible job because what I can get on my iPhone and my children's iPod, parental controls or not, is a lot worse than a few vulgar definitions. I am pretty sure most of us can too.
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You can't stop a "physical" solution by software. If I have access to the system I can deactivate any software solution, just replace it.
made his point. Is that why you posted in AC?
There is no way that a Google lawyer can confirm that no copies exist.
I am glad you have a lawyer that is cheap enough that you can talk to when you receive unintentional email. In my case I receive misdirected mail daily. Some of it spam. Some of it is not. If I remove most that I believe are scams then I may say that I receive on the average of 5 a week that could be real. If I would discuses these with my lawyer that would be around 5 hours a week at $320.00 per hour and it would represent something like $83,200/year.
By the way, could you please show us how you properly erased it on your end?
You sir are priceless! Just being polite. If you think the bank does not need to change the accounts. The bank cannot ensure that the information was never retrieved. Even if google says so.
Who refused? Not receiving a response is not a refusal! By any standard. How did they not cooperate? Can you please show how? You hold someone more responsible for their inaction, without even being able to prove that they were aware or that they refused than the creators of the problem. You sympathize with the bank? Oh poor bank they didn't know....
You sir are a true idiot
This is so far of the mark it can only come from a windows centric operation. What happens when the business' interest lies in a non microsoft solution? How does MS AD handle that?
If it's so simple to deploy then why are so many large companies so hesitant to upgrade?
I hear this a lot but have not seen it work with a mixed environment yet. Windows does not play well with others. If you care to lock yourself down to windows fine with me. I manage over 15 companies and the only common software they have is in the office. Unique business solutions require unique management software and AD is very limited!
Rick who and what is he doing with my .02$?????
We own part of these companies now. Might as well salvage something out of this disaster and use our control.
We own nothing and stop kidding yourselves. The people who signed that paper we call a constitution died long ago and with them the will to make the changes.
1. I must be able to just use it. No inch thick manuals
The original poster is talking about a mail server and you are referring to desktop apps. I will still bite. While I can agree that there are exceptions on all platforms once you understand how one particular platform acts, installing has always had particular issues on every platform. First, on Windows you need to make sure that the software is supported on your particular version and that you have Administrator privileges. If your system has been up and running for years you need to be very careful otherwise it will become unstable and you may need to reinstall ALL. If you need to set it up as a server you need to lock it down before you can place it live. Most apps are not available on other systems so it makes sharing as a whole more difficult. (Yeah, I herad it before as long as I lock myself into an only MS solution then life becomes simple unfortunately my life requires variety and like my cars I need different tools to fix different problems and my choice of one should never affect my choice for the other.)
Mac while I very much like how you drag and drop almost anywhere and it will run. It tends to run out of disk space faster than most due to the repetition of the libs. Apple has some apps that don't play well with others and when they can they like to lock you down as windows as well.
The least problems I've had installing apps is on FreeBSD. Apart from basic configurations systems can last for years within a regular upgrade cycle. Ubuntu has achieved this point as well. (I will not state whether other FLOSS systems have achieved this just to keep the post short.) Unfortunately, some desktop solutions and in this I mean multimedia are hard to find.
My choice for a server environment for now is FreeBSD for it's ease of use and simplicity to maintain but it is not the only server that I will install and it all depends on the requirements of a particular installation. On the Desktop for Multimedia it definitely a Mac too many reason to enumurate but they are slowly diminishing. As for an office environment Ubuntu, Mac or Windows in that order. Evaluation based on overall cost of the life of the system, available software for tasks, portability of corporate data and security. A game system Windows, Mac, Ubuntu is starting to move up due to wine but the game developers need to start supporting.
2. When I have a problem, who can I call to solve it for me.
As a general statement I manage to find more helpful information from oss.
3. I must be able to easily find it the software. (no version 1.3.2.3.4.1.455.5.beta.stable.gz). Just version 1 or 2 or 3 and then I download and use it on a customer oriented website and not a technical one.
If you don't care on Windows and mac why do you care on oss.? The latest release is the most feature rich and secure. On Ubuntu you don't even need to worry about it it maintains all automatically. If you care about security and having the latest and greatest of a software then again with oss you never need to leave your house.
4. It needs to be interoperable, meaning, when I create a document, file, whatever, my friends, family must be able to work with it.
All in all: Opensource has it's advantages, we all know them, and I most definitly support them, but when I get older, have less time, i just want a product that works, and I am willing to pay for it........... and that is a very sad conclusion.
I have been using computers since the first mac and pc. Like you I don't have time to waste. My file server is FreeBSD and has been running as such with an occasional port upgrade. I have "UPGRADED" all the hardware and added drives. When I need a new system I swap out the drive to the newer box. When I want/need to upgrade to a newer version I "SWAP OUT" the boot disk. I don't need any anti virus software so no slowdown of my system. I can access it from a
I'll support it for you at half the cost of exchange! No I'm not kidding. If you are seriously interested reply to this post.
because of DRM. I use more than one system. I do not wish to load the game on the disk and still keep the DVD in the drive. I don't like to be kicked because some stupid punkbuster program gets it wrong! I'm not a thief don't treat me as such!
I agree so much with your statement but I have such a hard time comprehending why Apple needs me to login to iTunes in order to share my music with myself on other systems.
Or, why I have to load iTunes to transfer a song to my iPod/iPhone. Why can't I transfer a file through bluetooth? Why not a word/OO.o document? Why do I need an APP for that?
Fortunately I love computers and have not limited myself to "JUST WORK" or " PLUG AND PLAY" technology so I can solve stupid problems such as iTunes sharing music with ALL my systems and my children's systems. Be they Linux, Windows, FreeBSD or what not. That fact is there is no such thing as "JUST WORK" and when things are broken by design by Apple and Microsoft it can get very frustrating.
I have one music library and I share it with the household PS3, Wii, Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, iPods, iPhones, Nokias, and Macs in the house. We share the same music. Unfortunately it took a lot of time and energy to be configured to JUST WORK. No thanks to Apple.
Just try to migrate to a Linux mail server when all the users are using Pre's and iPhones to get email on the road
????
Where's the issue?
My iPhone accesses 6 different servers to get email. Makes my life simple without mixing stuff up and not needing to download all. It's a none issue. It's been my experience that the only people who suffer most of these compatibility issues are the ones who are tying themselves into proprietary solutions. 2 of which are Linux, 2 are FreeBSD, one is Exchange and one I never bothered to even check.
that's because most times it means opening up all kinds of security nightmares. when iphone 3G's first came out and people bought them, some thought we would actually open up imap through the firewall so they could access their emai
God forbid! Giving people access to their email over the Internet? What will it be next, the corporate website? Can you imagine the security nightmare?
Boot them all at the same time with vmware.
There is no contract here EULA/License agreement is not always read by every user and in most cases is only presented after the sale when you are no longer able to return the product for a refund. I am sure that most people who bought the Kindle never read the license agreement BEFORE the purchase and were under the impression that they purchased as advertised a book reader.
Nice argument on sample size but was it representative? Ignorance? Was 1,176 a sample large enough to represent the the 40,000,000? I would assume not. You could assume so. The fact would still be that we would both be assuming.
On another note, why adjust up? Why not down? How was downloading explained? Did people download from iTunes, Amazon or TPB? Did people already own the download?
He was correct, by the way. He went on to rant that anything that uses large amounts of people (by which he meant more than at most a few dozen) was not proper statistics.
10 people could in no way make any reasonable assumption of any population. He was wrong. First and foremost 10 randomly selected people of any population would not represent any complete demographics of any nation. Rich, poor, middle class, professional, artist, unemployed, computer literate, music fan, and student does not come close to representing the whole segment of any nation. I am positive that you could fill in hundreds more. Some are more prone to "Download than others". The combinations and permutations may affect the results. The sample size needs to be large enough and random to arrive at any reasonable accuracy.
To add to this, what service are you expecting on a $9.95/month plan? Do you honestly think that you will get the help of knowledgeable tech when your server starts bouncing mail? These plans are only as good as the amount of business you are prepared to lose. With my experience with 1&1 is that even when you show them the problem and advise them on how to fix their servers, it still takes days to escalate the problem to someone who can do something about it.
Snake oil is only snake oil, there will always be someone willing to buy it!
Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward nothing to say and is vulgar about it.
snow leopard frees 7gigs? Because it can't do the math? #8^)
I dare say it is in the interest of Amazon NOT to sell as many books as it can.
If it ever came out that AT&T blocked the app it would almost mean the end for the iPhone At&T contract. It is the only reason that Apple admits to this. It make no sense for Apple to refuse GT. I've been in the board room and sometimes the public statements are not based in fact. There is no credible reason presented to date that would make sense for Apple to refuse google talk unless it is to preserve the contract with AT&T and the other telcos.
Call the Police and file a restraining order. Charge them with harassment.
Just FYI, the iPod Touch is pretty much an iPhone minus the Phone, GPS and Compass*, and can run most of the same apps without any monthly cellular cost.
*I've probably left a couple of inconsequential things out, it doesn't matter.
YES but you need a credit card to buy on the iTunes store. Credit Cards are not issued to minors. Minors cannot purchase apps. If Apple was so concerned about the children it would have created a children's iTunes. If you can think of a simple solution to the children problem why can't Apple? Parental controls is an excuse to save face. I love Apple products it's just the Apple attitude that I can't stand. Unfortunately this is coming more and more from corporate America. For some reason corporate America believes that they still own the products they sell and the DMCA confirms it.
There were no parental controls when the app was submitted and there was no indication of a release date for parental controls.
Parents need to raise there children! Don't give the child a credit card and make sure you know what they load on the ipods. If for any reason anyone here thinks that parental controls will stop children from accessing inappropriate content then I have news for them... I have yet to see parental controls work. What parents need to do is raise their children. Yes I am a parent of three and all three are capable of bypassing the parental controls on almost all the devices. Because they can read!
When I was young ALL of this material was available. P0rn is not new. Dictionaries were always available. Encyclopedias had pictures. This is just the tame stuff. Talk to your child and communicate with them. Teach them how and what is important. Don't ever expect technology to do your job.
As for Apple. They have no explanation as to why they refused so they are inventing an excuse. Hindsight is 20/20 and Apple is offering a plausible explanation unless you ask yourself this. If the developer was told that it would be approved in 30 to 60 days why would the developer spend extra time and money correcting something that will be corrected?
Nothing prevented Apple from posting parental warnings on iTunes on "adult" material. Children are not issued credit cards therefore children should not have an iTunes account!!!! Therefore a parent is required to make the purchase! If Apple was concerned about the clients "children" they had every means possible to WARN the potential client that it contained ADULT material. If Apple is so concerned about the children then why don't they setup a children's iTunes store? Apple is not the peoples keeper and if you believe Apple's excuse then they are doing a horrible job because what I can get on my iPhone and my children's iPod, parental controls or not, is a lot worse than a few vulgar definitions. I am pretty sure most of us can too.