Now, you need a Windows-desktop to be able to enjoy all the content on the web.
Take this a bit further. The real problem from MS's point of view is that NS was becoming a platform which sat on top of any host OS that could run the browser. NS was, in effect, trying to make the OS innocuous, unimportant. If the browser platform could run identically regardless of the underlying OS, then the OS becomes like the BIOS...what proportion of the computer-user community could tell you who makes BIOSes these days?
MS faced the possibility of their OS becoming nearly meaningless. So they had to win the browser war, for fear of losing a very large proportion of corporate business.
MS has fought this war a number of times and will continue to fight it
the MS-DOS/PC-DOS/DR.DOS/etc... wars
the Windows vs. Mac GUI war (well, more like a police action)
the browser war
the Virtual Machine war
There will be more wars, but the question that the EU (and formerly the US) are asking is whether MS needs to fight fairly or not...
Netscape wasn't free. It became free when they couldn't compete with free from MS. Check the history.
Well, this isn't the way history played out. Netscape Navigator was indeed given out free. Netscape changed the way software distribution and evaluation was done. They revolutionized the desktop software industry which expanded also into the realm of server software. Prior to NS, the only s/w you could download was freeware/shareware/nagware.
MS IE was initially not free. You had to buy MS-Plus! to get it. It only became free as the browser war began to heat up...and once MS realized that noone was truly going to purchase a bunch of desktop themes and a browser that was not as rich as a "free" one from NS. They also realized that by giving IE away for free that the royalties owed to Mosaic Corp would equal exactly $0.00.
NS showed that you could let people download fully-functional software for free. But their licensing on those downloads was an evaluation license. For commercial use (or for rebundling), you were required to purchase a proper license. Many (many!) corporations licensed NS.
It was actually quite clever. Let people download the software at home (or rogue users in the corporate environment) and let them learn to use the software (and show it off). When it can be shown to solve certain business problems, then the corporation(s) would have/want to purchase it outright.
This is about the WWW being misused. The fact that Google allows people to easily find those that misused (through mallice, accident or (more likely) ignorance) is nota Google issue.
Have you seen that page recently? It looks like one of those pages that was designed to make use of all of the new features of Navigator 2.0.
I'm no web designer, but ugly-and-boring is just that...they want to push a message about how to code in HTML, they should at least make their site appealing...or does this just highlight that an appealing Any Browser site isn't possible??
Sybase bought Watcom years ago because they wanted Watcom SQL
Actually, Sybase acquired Powersoft in 1995 for its application development tools (e.g. PowerBuilder). Powersoft had acquired Watcom in 1994 specifically to add an RDBMS to their product line.
There were industry rumours of Sybase dropping SQL Anywhere (formerly Watcom SQL, now Adaptive Server Anywhere) early on after the 1995 acquisition, but nothing beyond apparently.
The ASA engineering group (Waterloo Ontario) and ASE group (Dublin California) have worked together on joint projects, but the two products remain independently architected and developed. The main joint task forces seem to work(ed) on adding T-SQLisms to ASA and on the IQ product.
Ah....MySQL and Access, you must be talking about ASA. I suspect it unlikely that ASA become open source in the foreseeable future as it is one of the key products of iAnywhere.
ASA is a much more feature rich and powerful replacement for both above mentioned database-like repositories;-).
For those who don't know, ASA runs on a multitude of platforms (Palm, CE, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, OS X, and that MS-Windows thingy). It has very mature synchronization and replication technologies.
[Note: I may be somewhat biased on the subject;-)].
note: anyone who suggests VI is an macho idiot who cannot be trusted, emacs is functional but still fairly shitt. Come out of the the 1980's, guys
Anyone who says that VI and Emacs are shitt should come out of the 1980's.
Vim is incredible and GNU/Emacs with the JDEE is a fantastic Java development environment.
But seriously...my sig does not say "their IDEs suck...", it says "beware their IDEs"...they rope you in and tie you down:
Ever tried developing a decent plugin for their IDEs (think SCC: the version control API)?
Ever worked with someone who only knows MS IDEs and try to work on something "different"?
Ever tried to develop an "open standards" application with their IDE?
More than 15 years of development on their "IDEs" and they still don't have a decent REGEXP search-and-replace...don't have "keyboard macros"...still don't have very effective mouse-free (i.e. keyboard exclusive) navigation.
So yes, they have done some very nice things in their IDEs. But you compare VI and Emacs , which are extremely powerful editors that now have compiler/debugger (IDE) capabilities to MS IDEs which are very powerful development environments with a low-end editor. (Yes, VI and Emacs now have Intellisense too).
They may have been ported to win32, but it is very difficult to develop a portable system as there are many win32-isms (e.g. filesystem paths) that you are forced to use in the port.
I have not used SFU, but with Cygwin you are in an Unix-like environment. I have a bunch of systems in Cygwin that I run unmodified on Linux and Solaris. I simply check it out of our version control system on the appropriate box and start up the daemon(s).
Using the native ports, I have to muck around with various settings, double-backslash things, write.CMD files for win32 and.BASH for real OSes, etc...
Anyone able to describe if SFU is more Cygwin-like in this regard?
the fact is that Microsoft is offering a near-unprecedented level of support
You can't say that. There are many small-to-medium sized software companies that support s/w they wrote 5 to 10 years ago...they have to because their customer base is still using those original versions on the machines/OSes they purchased back then (don't think that MS is extending support because of all the Aunt Alice's out there playing solitaire...its because of the SMB accounts. Have you noticed how "SMB" has become the TLA of the year?)
Just because Big Company Names are known to drop support of their Big Products, don't go assuming that responsible software companies behave the same...
And don't forget that you can also enter environment variables:
%HOME%\My Music\Talk Talk
Anyone know if the new/existing GTK file dialog will allow similar ($HOME/music/talk_talk)? [My desktop at home is used mainly to open multiple rxvt sessions and have a pretty CPU/Network/Memory monitor...I don't get around to using GUI apps much.]
I don't have a problem with the license choice, just the hypocrisy.
There is no hypocrisy here. RMS does not advocate GNOME because people can develop non-free software. He advocates it because you can develop any software, unrestricted (i.e. free).
Others in the GNOME community may push the non-free angle of the above, but this doesn't make RMS or other FSS proponents hypocritical.
Compromised machine info: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200311/msg00012.html || Down: gluck (people, packages.d.o); || more info at http://www.wiggy.net/debian/
In the article, wasn't there something about XML files vs. dialog boxes...
The great thing though, is that the channel topic is to introduce a channel to somebody. Thankfully the only ones who would ever possibly want to be in that channel are all IRC-godz and massively down with Deb.
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This has nothing to do with copyright.
Are you saying that you are willing to dish out $$ for an MS product, but not for some other company's product?
Stop the presses!!! Where's CNN? Where's Lou Dobbs when we need him the most???
I gotta hand it to them, this year is moderately better than last year...
...yes and as soon as Microsoft adds a GUI to their MS-DOS, Apple will be dead for sure...
MS faced the possibility of their OS becoming nearly meaningless. So they had to win the browser war, for fear of losing a very large proportion of corporate business.
MS has fought this war a number of times and will continue to fight it
- the MS-DOS/PC-DOS/DR.DOS/etc... wars
- the Windows vs. Mac GUI war (well, more like a police action)
- the browser war
- the Virtual Machine war
There will be more wars, but the question that the EU (and formerly the US) are asking is whether MS needs to fight fairly or not...Well, this isn't the way history played out. Netscape Navigator was indeed given out free. Netscape changed the way software distribution and evaluation was done. They revolutionized the desktop software industry which expanded also into the realm of server software. Prior to NS, the only s/w you could download was freeware/shareware/nagware.
MS IE was initially not free. You had to buy MS-Plus! to get it. It only became free as the browser war began to heat up...and once MS realized that noone was truly going to purchase a bunch of desktop themes and a browser that was not as rich as a "free" one from NS. They also realized that by giving IE away for free that the royalties owed to Mosaic Corp would equal exactly $0.00.
NS showed that you could let people download fully-functional software for free. But their licensing on those downloads was an evaluation license. For commercial use (or for rebundling), you were required to purchase a proper license. Many (many!) corporations licensed NS.
It was actually quite clever. Let people download the software at home (or rogue users in the corporate environment) and let them learn to use the software (and show it off). When it can be shown to solve certain business problems, then the corporation(s) would have/want to purchase it outright.
This is about the WWW being misused. The fact that Google allows people to easily find those that misused (through mallice, accident or (more likely) ignorance) is nota Google issue.
I'm no web designer, but ugly-and-boring is just that...they want to push a message about how to code in HTML, they should at least make their site appealing...or does this just highlight that an appealing Any Browser site isn't possible??
I don't think that "C.E.O." is a trade...
There were industry rumours of Sybase dropping SQL Anywhere (formerly Watcom SQL, now Adaptive Server Anywhere) early on after the 1995 acquisition, but nothing beyond apparently.
The ASA engineering group (Waterloo Ontario) and ASE group (Dublin California) have worked together on joint projects, but the two products remain independently architected and developed. The main joint task forces seem to work(ed) on adding T-SQLisms to ASA and on the IQ product.
Adaptive Server Enterprise
Adaptive Server Anywhere (formerly Watcom SQL)
IQ
Ah....MySQL and Access, you must be talking about ASA. I suspect it unlikely that ASA become open source in the foreseeable future as it is one of the key products of iAnywhere.
ASA is a much more feature rich and powerful replacement for both above mentioned database-like repositories ;-).
For those who don't know, ASA runs on a multitude of platforms (Palm, CE, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, OS X, and that MS-Windows thingy). It has very mature synchronization and replication technologies. [Note: I may be somewhat biased on the subject ;-)].
Vim is incredible and GNU/Emacs with the JDEE is a fantastic Java development environment.
But seriously...my sig does not say "their IDEs suck...", it says "beware their IDEs"...they rope you in and tie you down:
Ever tried developing a decent plugin for their IDEs (think SCC: the version control API)?
Ever worked with someone who only knows MS IDEs and try to work on something "different"?
Ever tried to develop an "open standards" application with their IDE?
More than 15 years of development on their "IDEs" and they still don't have a decent REGEXP search-and-replace...don't have "keyboard macros"...still don't have very effective mouse-free (i.e. keyboard exclusive) navigation.
So yes, they have done some very nice things in their IDEs. But you compare VI and Emacs , which are extremely powerful editors that now have compiler/debugger (IDE) capabilities to MS IDEs which are very powerful development environments with a low-end editor. (Yes, VI and Emacs now have Intellisense too).
I have not used SFU, but with Cygwin you are in an Unix-like environment. I have a bunch of systems in Cygwin that I run unmodified on Linux and Solaris. I simply check it out of our version control system on the appropriate box and start up the daemon(s).
Using the native ports, I have to muck around with various settings, double-backslash things, write .CMD files for win32 and .BASH for real OSes, etc...
Anyone able to describe if SFU is more Cygwin-like in this regard?
Interix, developed by Softway Systems, of which a group of the original employees/execs came from MKS (Mortice Kern Systems).
You can't say that. There are many small-to-medium sized software companies that support s/w they wrote 5 to 10 years ago...they have to because their customer base is still using those original versions on the machines/OSes they purchased back then (don't think that MS is extending support because of all the Aunt Alice's out there playing solitaire...its because of the SMB accounts. Have you noticed how "SMB" has become the TLA of the year?)
Just because Big Company Names are known to drop support of their Big Products, don't go assuming that responsible software companies behave the same...
BTW: which s/w vendor do you work for? :-)
See, the problem is that "20 degrees" is not a measure of cold. It is a measure of heat.
Others in the GNOME community may push the non-free angle of the above, but this doesn't make RMS or other FSS proponents hypocritical.
The great thing though, is that the channel topic is to introduce a channel to somebody. Thankfully the only ones who would ever possibly want to be in that channel are all IRC-godz and massively down with Deb.
Newbies: smite thineselves!