So in your opinion "shoving stuff into space" is insightful commentary.... Nope, it's knuckle-dragging commentary well deserving of ridicule.
If you want to come off as informed/insightful why don't you inform us exactly what orbit categories microsats have been launched into up to now, proving that microsats are a long term menace due to their multiplication in long term orbits and not a category of objects that reenter and burn up before ever becoming one. Ah but that'd be _hard_, certainly too hard for a knuckle-dragger.
Two specific points: The Microsat movement isn't going to contribute much to space pollution as low lifetime sats deployed to low orbits aren't the problem.
We already have a government/military component spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year tracking every single piece of space junk we've put out there in our artificial asteroid belt. And if the planet is any indication, any place we humans occupy we manage to fuck up with garbage. This will become a problem because of the exponential growth in interest they're hoping to drum up with this capitalist space race. Forget low orbit. Higher orbits will become the issue when human arrogance labels low orbit for "losers" who "can't get it up" or some stupid shit. You know, kind of like the bigger-dick syndrome we suffered from in the 60s with planting a flag on a moon.
Millions of $$$ every year just to track space debris?!? You're delusional. The tracking radars were not developed and paid for in order to track space debris, but to detect attacks upon the U.S. Until the U.S. no longer fears missile attack, the cost will be borne by the military. Use of those radars to track debris in an incidental and beneficial side effect that is almost free, not the reason we continue to spend hundreds of millions/year to do so. If, in your opinion, mankind is such a problem I'd suggest that you help us all out by removing yourself as part of "the problem".
Creating an space-based economy and self sustaining workforce aren't objectives beyond our means unless we allow ourselves to be hobbled.
Speaking of hobbled, tell me how well our electronic world that is critically dependent on communications would fare if a catastrophic event occurred where the majority of our major satellite system were inadvertently destroyed. It would be at minimum years before we could fully recover communications and capability at this level. For the fucking planet. Good luck with your "self-sustaining" workforce then.
TL; DR - Humans fuck up any space they occupy. History has shown this, so don't be ignorant about the inevitable dangers of exponential growth.
Ah, because you think that because you've never heard of anyone preparing for a situation where a major solar storm or nefarious action that no-one in the Military has ever thought that loss of GPS and comm Sats would be critical to our Defence? You think that the Military that has plans for everything including invasion by Canada wouldn't have thought of that and prepared for it with sufficient spare satellites on a black budget to restore minimal function within ASAP? The capability certainly exists and anyone with half a brain would have figured that out and that it isn't publicised to keep it as safe as possible.
History has also shown what happens to the stagnant. They're the ones that used to live where you do now.
What is this obsession with moving out of the basement? There are already so many people in cars driving around that we'll soon be at a critical point of so much cars driving around that it'll be self generating and dangerous for humans to venture there especially if this idiotic idea of autonomous vehicles takes off. As for flying vehicles, called aeroplanes - until someone invents a serious much faster and practical competitor to ships we ain't going anywhere and thats only going to happen if the laws of physics suddenly open up in unexpected ways. I know a lot of people dream of a Jules Verne like world, but I'm afraid its just books kids, reality is another ball game entirely.
Yeah, not a prefect match but does reflect your "I don't understand it so it can't happen outlook".
Two specific points: The Microsat movement isn't going to contribute much to space pollution as low lifetime sats deployed to low orbits aren't the problem. Creating an space-based economy and self sustaining workforce aren't objectives beyond our means unless we allow ourselves to be hobbled.
He has a right to having his own opinion and also has access to Tesla's data so EM probably does have a good idea of whether AVs are indeed already better than human drivers. The problem is in proving it.
The summary does not do justice to Musks argument.
If autonomous cars do indeed have fewer fatalities per km then retarding their dissemination through fake polemics is indeed causing the deaths of more people than pushing for their general adoption would.
The rub is in determining whether or not AV's are indeed safer than human drivers. Elon has his idea of that but in the absence of a serious non-biased study that doesn't exist yet I'm not convinced that he is right (yet).
People attempting to justify Putin's naked land grabs always have problems with reality...
Texas won it's independence from Mexico with no help from the U.S.G. but primarily by people from the U.S who were invited in by previous Mexican governments. A better analogy to Putin's actions is much closer to your home with the german annexion of the Sudetes.
Detention during a G8 summit by your own government isn't quite the same as receiving a bullet or getting disappeared by Putins goons after receiving a call from the kremlin but I don't suppose that a Putin apologist would be able to understand that.
As for moving goalposts reread the thread. My objection to Germany & Japan as being equivalent to being under U.S. occupation hasn't budged, while for you keep making poor comparisons. You may (and probably do given your comments) have fond memories of the east german state. Most, and that includes the former citizens of the GDR don't.
"Invest heavily"... Oh yes, a 9€ lightning to jack adapter or two is such a heavy investment to make after spending 989€ on a 128Gb iPhone 7 or 1199€ on a 128Gb iPhone 7+.
You're one of those who has an investment in Android and "pretends" that if only X was different, you'd consider an iPhone.
Diplomacy has a role in international law enforcement relations but it isn't what you are portraying nor over my head.
That the Czech authorities are the ones in control of the russian hacker until their justice system decides whether or not to extradite or release him is not in dispute, just your attempt at portraying an announcement by the FBI on why they asked for his arrest is a master regime giving orders to a slave regime or not.
You're mixing up diplomacy, law enforcement and emotions and quite visibly making a hash of the lot. I don't know what has worked you up to the point where you are doing so, but I suspect it is ether your not mastering the announcements made by the FBI in english (yes that comes across too) or some other sources that translated them for you and did a very poor job (possibly on purpose as it is the #1 Russians tactic).
Now step back and think: Is it really in the U.S.G's best interest or habit to be giving orders to foreign justice systems the way the USSR was in the habit of doing? Who is saying that they are doing so? Is another actor with an interest in portraying the USG as poorly as possible pulling strings? Is that same actor also in the habit of doing so, say like Russia has been doing ever since Putin came to power?
Can you honestly describe your government as a quisling regime imprisoning anyone who dares to criticize it's masters like the original Quisling did for the Nazis, East Germany did for the USSR & the puppet governments are doing in russian occupied Georgia & the Ukraine?
Either your answer is no, and you accept my point that the U.S created allies (who can disagree, even violently) or you'll have to justify just when/where/how the USA has imposed the controls over Germany that you are implying.
Awww... Putin not happy that members of his private hacker army that he hides behind to hack everyone cannot continue to vacation in the countries that the USSR made into quisling regimes for so long. Poor, poor Putin...
Part of U.S. backlash for Russian state sponsored hacking appears to be denying their ability to vacation outside of Russia. Europeans like me are much more pissed of at Putin for his and the Assad regimes war crimes that created the emigration flux than they are at the U.S. for asking for the arrest of a russian hacker and then detailing why they asked for it.
Oh yeah, Germany and Japan are quisling governments completely subservient to the U.S... when the press you read is russian.
Russians can't even conceive that The U.S. wants allies and does not want/need slave states the way Russia installs in areas like the occupied areas it has illegally annexed in Georgia / the Ukraine.
Thats why putinbots like the above AC flood the internet with their warped reality posts.
Impossible. Once he emerges from his mother's basement He'll be spending a few years in UK prisons for jumping bail and reneging on his promises to follow U.K justice After that, the U.K. has already committed to handing him over to Sweden where he will also be spending a few years -- Also without Internet privileges.
So France's use of primaries by both major parties for every presidential election since the 80s is "experimenting"!?! Your ignorance is compounding.
As for U.S. football in Europe, there are teams throughout Europe: England, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Italy,... but the level of U.S. football here is about the level of professional Rugby in the U.S. The NFL has been playing a game a year in the U.K for the past ten years and has started to play even more. This year 3 games in the U.K. and we hope to see a game in Paris within 2-3 years. My son played for the French champion team 2 years ago before he began studying abroad.
Of the 3 "western democracies" you mentioned. None of them have a similar election system to the U.S., and Great Britain doesn't even have primaries. And from what I can tell France doesn't either. So of your examples 2/3 don't publicly fund primary elections, because they don't even have primary elections.
OK so now that it has been clearly established that you say things easily exposed as ignorant but are still sufficiently enamoured of your opinions to continue attempting to present them as better than the status quo, it's time to sign off. You're just a fringie attempting to warp the system too your benefit.
That we can do something does not mean that we automatically should do it & it looks to me like this is a solution in search of a problem that would propose financing to install it.
GPS/4G linked databases of road limits and mapping software already performs localization to follow traffic congestion and speeds.
I think that you're whipping that dead horse for no reason. I have clearly replied in context mentioning primaries so the only reason for you to continue is if you are not reading my replies attentively.
That most western democracies including the U.S accept and encourage governmental financing of primaries clearly shows that we all have considered the matter and consider it a good enough idea that we all have implemented it.
What exactly is it that makes you think that your minority opinion deserves any weight whatsoever? I accept that you can reason in circles but "I have a problem with it" is useless beyond your opinion and I suspect "my preferred candidate lost so I want to make everyone pay" is your primary motivation for holding it.
There are more reasons for continuing primaries as they (generally) eliminate the defective candidates and there is merit in electing a candidate that has the support of Congress so the support of a political party is also a valid prerequisite. That we have been unfortunate in this cycle does not make the system irredeemably broken.
Primaries for political parties are not exclusive to the U.S. and financial assistance for parties -- including primaries -- that achieve electoral scores above a certain threshold are common in western democracies. Yes there is a chicken/egg problem for small parties to attain/maintain the threshold but that doesn't change what I've been saying since the beginning: (some) Public funding of political parties is common and generally deemed to be in everyone's best interest.
Pray exit your belly button and take a look at the electoral processes of other western nations. Once the election share exceeds a few percent (England, Germany, France,...) it is common for political parties to receive some governmental financing for the reasons I described. The use of government facilities as polling locations in particular is germane. The taxpayer has a say in the matter in that leveling the field and not making political parties uniquely beholden to wealthy special interests is commonly determined to be in the taxpayers best interests.
Thanks for the view from the Kremlin, but we've already heard it and saw through Putin's doublespeak. You don't have the pomposity to pull off repeating his lies anyway.
Had the Donald become President and had a lapdog congress as Putin & Assange wished and started naked wars of aggression upon his neighbors, Mexico & Canada might be looking for outside help the way all Russia's neighbors are, but here in the real world, it's Russia's neighbors that have seen Putin do so and do not wish to be targeted by Putin's civilian airliner & hospital bombing goons. Oh gee, nobody forgot Russia invading and annexing parts of Georgia & the Ukraine. We're not as brainless as you and Assange.
As for Putin the KGB/FSB man not spying on everyone (he can manage), Lol. Guccifer & Assange are merely the exposed part of Putin's spies.
Fringe candidates only win a minority of circonscriptions & absent the exceptional circumstances I described, cannot win the presidency. Yeah Trump will probably take 15 states -- against Hillary, but that's not "the most part", that's the fringes, the outliers & the exceptions.
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Plausible, no. Reasonable, yes. However this is Putin's Russia so reasonable carries very little weight.
So in your opinion "shoving stuff into space" is insightful commentary.... Nope, it's knuckle-dragging commentary well deserving of ridicule.
If you want to come off as informed/insightful why don't you inform us exactly what orbit categories microsats have been launched into up to now, proving that microsats are a long term menace due to their multiplication in long term orbits and not a category of objects that reenter and burn up before ever becoming one. Ah but that'd be _hard_, certainly too hard for a knuckle-dragger.
Two specific points:
The Microsat movement isn't going to contribute much to space pollution as low lifetime sats deployed to low orbits aren't the problem.
We already have a government/military component spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year tracking every single piece of space junk we've put out there in our artificial asteroid belt. And if the planet is any indication, any place we humans occupy we manage to fuck up with garbage. This will become a problem because of the exponential growth in interest they're hoping to drum up with this capitalist space race. Forget low orbit. Higher orbits will become the issue when human arrogance labels low orbit for "losers" who "can't get it up" or some stupid shit. You know, kind of like the bigger-dick syndrome we suffered from in the 60s with planting a flag on a moon.
Millions of $$$ every year just to track space debris?!? You're delusional. The tracking radars were not developed and paid for in order to track space debris, but to detect attacks upon the U.S. Until the U.S. no longer fears missile attack, the cost will be borne by the military. Use of those radars to track debris in an incidental and beneficial side effect that is almost free, not the reason we continue to spend hundreds of millions/year to do so. If, in your opinion, mankind is such a problem I'd suggest that you help us all out by removing yourself as part of "the problem".
Creating an space-based economy and self sustaining workforce aren't objectives beyond our means unless we allow ourselves to be hobbled.
Speaking of hobbled, tell me how well our electronic world that is critically dependent on communications would fare if a catastrophic event occurred where the majority of our major satellite system were inadvertently destroyed. It would be at minimum years before we could fully recover communications and capability at this level. For the fucking planet. Good luck with your "self-sustaining" workforce then.
TL; DR - Humans fuck up any space they occupy. History has shown this, so don't be ignorant about the inevitable dangers of exponential growth.
Ah, because you think that because you've never heard of anyone preparing for a situation where a major solar storm or nefarious action that no-one in the Military has ever thought that loss of GPS and comm Sats would be critical to our Defence? You think that the Military that has plans for everything including invasion by Canada wouldn't have thought of that and prepared for it with sufficient spare satellites on a black budget to restore minimal function within ASAP? The capability certainly exists and anyone with half a brain would have figured that out and that it isn't publicised to keep it as safe as possible.
History has also shown what happens to the stagnant. They're the ones that used to live where you do now.
What is this obsession with moving out of the basement? There are already so many people in cars driving around that we'll soon be at a critical point of so much cars driving around that it'll be self generating and dangerous for humans to venture there especially if this idiotic idea of autonomous vehicles takes off. As for flying vehicles, called aeroplanes - until someone invents a serious much faster and practical competitor to ships we ain't going anywhere and thats only going to happen if the laws of physics suddenly open up in unexpected ways. I know a lot of people dream of a Jules Verne like world, but I'm afraid its just books kids, reality is another ball game entirely.
Yeah, not a prefect match but does reflect your "I don't understand it so it can't happen outlook".
Two specific points:
The Microsat movement isn't going to contribute much to space pollution as low lifetime sats deployed to low orbits aren't the problem.
Creating an space-based economy and self sustaining workforce aren't objectives beyond our means unless we allow ourselves to be hobbled.
Go tell your grandmother how to suck an egg.
Friends and allies share intelligence dimwit. For Putin's quisling regimes intelligence goes to the Kremlin & orders go back.
Another putinbot presenting their warped reality...
Hé ducon, je suis français et c'est la presse d'ici que je lis tous les jours.
He has a right to having his own opinion and also has access to Tesla's data so EM probably does have a good idea of whether AVs are indeed already better than human drivers. The problem is in proving it.
The summary does not do justice to Musks argument.
If autonomous cars do indeed have fewer fatalities per km then retarding their dissemination through fake polemics is indeed causing the deaths of more people than pushing for their general adoption would.
The rub is in determining whether or not AV's are indeed safer than human drivers. Elon has his idea of that but in the absence of a serious non-biased study that doesn't exist yet I'm not convinced that he is right (yet).
People attempting to justify Putin's naked land grabs always have problems with reality...
Texas won it's independence from Mexico with no help from the U.S.G. but primarily by people from the U.S who were invited in by previous Mexican governments. A better analogy to Putin's actions is much closer to your home with the german annexion of the Sudetes.
Detention during a G8 summit by your own government isn't quite the same as receiving a bullet or getting disappeared by Putins goons after receiving a call from the kremlin but I don't suppose that a Putin apologist would be able to understand that.
As for moving goalposts reread the thread. My objection to Germany & Japan as being equivalent to being under U.S. occupation hasn't budged, while for you keep making poor comparisons. You may (and probably do given your comments) have fond memories of the east german state. Most, and that includes the former citizens of the GDR don't.
So a fired Foxnews commentator is your ultimate reference? How sad for you.
"Invest heavily"... Oh yes, a 9€ lightning to jack adapter or two is such a heavy investment to make after spending 989€ on a 128Gb iPhone 7 or 1199€ on a 128Gb iPhone 7+.
You're one of those who has an investment in Android and "pretends" that if only X was different, you'd consider an iPhone.
Faker.
Diplomacy has a role in international law enforcement relations but it isn't what you are portraying nor over my head.
That the Czech authorities are the ones in control of the russian hacker until their justice system decides whether or not to extradite or release him is not in dispute, just your attempt at portraying an announcement by the FBI on why they asked for his arrest is a master regime giving orders to a slave regime or not.
You're mixing up diplomacy, law enforcement and emotions and quite visibly making a hash of the lot. I don't know what has worked you up to the point where you are doing so, but I suspect it is ether your not mastering the announcements made by the FBI in english (yes that comes across too) or some other sources that translated them for you and did a very poor job (possibly on purpose as it is the #1 Russians tactic).
Now step back and think: Is it really in the U.S.G's best interest or habit to be giving orders to foreign justice systems the way the USSR was in the habit of doing? Who is saying that they are doing so? Is another actor with an interest in portraying the USG as poorly as possible pulling strings? Is that same actor also in the habit of doing so, say like Russia has been doing ever since Putin came to power?
Can you honestly describe your government as a quisling regime imprisoning anyone who dares to criticize it's masters like the original Quisling did for the Nazis, East Germany did for the USSR & the puppet governments are doing in russian occupied Georgia & the Ukraine?
Either your answer is no, and you accept my point that the U.S created allies (who can disagree, even violently) or you'll have to justify just when/where/how the USA has imposed the controls over Germany that you are implying.
Awww... Putin not happy that members of his private hacker army that he hides behind to hack everyone cannot continue to vacation in the countries that the USSR made into quisling regimes for so long. Poor, poor Putin...
Part of U.S. backlash for Russian state sponsored hacking appears to be denying their ability to vacation outside of Russia. Europeans like me are much more pissed of at Putin for his and the Assad regimes war crimes that created the emigration flux than they are at the U.S. for asking for the arrest of a russian hacker and then detailing why they asked for it.
Oh yeah, Germany and Japan are quisling governments completely subservient to the U.S... when the press you read is russian.
Russians can't even conceive that The U.S. wants allies and does not want/need slave states the way Russia installs in areas like the occupied areas it has illegally annexed in Georgia / the Ukraine.
Thats why putinbots like the above AC flood the internet with their warped reality posts.
Impossible. Once he emerges from his mother's basement He'll be spending a few years in UK prisons for jumping bail and reneging on his promises to follow U.K justice After that, the U.K. has already committed to handing him over to Sweden where he will also be spending a few years -- Also without Internet privileges.
Color me astonished...
So France's use of primaries by both major parties for every presidential election since the 80s is "experimenting"!?! Your ignorance is compounding.
As for U.S. football in Europe, there are teams throughout Europe: England, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Italy, ... but the level of U.S. football here is about the level of professional Rugby in the U.S. The NFL has been playing a game a year in the U.K for the past ten years and has started to play even more. This year 3 games in the U.K. and we hope to see a game in Paris within 2-3 years. My son played for the French champion team 2 years ago before he began studying abroad.
Of the 3 "western democracies" you mentioned. None of them have a similar election system to the U.S., and Great Britain doesn't even have primaries. And from what I can tell France doesn't either. So of your examples 2/3 don't publicly fund primary elections, because they don't even have primary elections.
Your ignorance is showing...
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http://www.lemonde.fr/politiqu...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ésidentielle_socialiste_de_2017
OK so now that it has been clearly established that you say things easily exposed as ignorant but are still sufficiently enamoured of your opinions to continue attempting to present them as better than the status quo, it's time to sign off. You're just a fringie attempting to warp the system too your benefit.
That we can do something does not mean that we automatically should do it & it looks to me like this is a solution in search of a problem that would propose financing to install it.
GPS/4G linked databases of road limits and mapping software already performs localization to follow traffic congestion and speeds.
I think that you're whipping that dead horse for no reason. I have clearly replied in context mentioning primaries so the only reason for you to continue is if you are not reading my replies attentively.
That most western democracies including the U.S accept and encourage governmental financing of primaries clearly shows that we all have considered the matter and consider it a good enough idea that we all have implemented it.
What exactly is it that makes you think that your minority opinion deserves any weight whatsoever? I accept that you can reason in circles but "I have a problem with it" is useless beyond your opinion and I suspect "my preferred candidate lost so I want to make everyone pay" is your primary motivation for holding it.
There are more reasons for continuing primaries as they (generally) eliminate the defective candidates and there is merit in electing a candidate that has the support of Congress so the support of a political party is also a valid prerequisite. That we have been unfortunate in this cycle does not make the system irredeemably broken.
Primaries for political parties are not exclusive to the U.S. and financial assistance for parties -- including primaries -- that achieve electoral scores above a certain threshold are common in western democracies. Yes there is a chicken/egg problem for small parties to attain/maintain the threshold but that doesn't change what I've been saying since the beginning: (some) Public funding of political parties is common and generally deemed to be in everyone's best interest.
Pray exit your belly button and take a look at the electoral processes of other western nations. Once the election share exceeds a few percent (England, Germany, France, ...) it is common for political parties to receive some governmental financing for the reasons I described. The use of government facilities as polling locations in particular is germane. The taxpayer has a say in the matter in that leveling the field and not making political parties uniquely beholden to wealthy special interests is commonly determined to be in the taxpayers best interests.
Thanks for the view from the Kremlin, but we've already heard it and saw through Putin's doublespeak. You don't have the pomposity to pull off repeating his lies anyway.
Had the Donald become President and had a lapdog congress as Putin & Assange wished and started naked wars of aggression upon his neighbors, Mexico & Canada might be looking for outside help the way all Russia's neighbors are, but here in the real world, it's Russia's neighbors that have seen Putin do so and do not wish to be targeted by Putin's civilian airliner & hospital bombing goons. Oh gee, nobody forgot Russia invading and annexing parts of Georgia & the Ukraine. We're not as brainless as you and Assange.
As for Putin the KGB/FSB man not spying on everyone (he can manage), Lol. Guccifer & Assange are merely the exposed part of Putin's spies.
Fringe candidates only win a minority of circonscriptions & absent the exceptional circumstances I described, cannot win the presidency. Yeah Trump will probably take 15 states -- against Hillary, but that's not "the most part", that's the fringes, the outliers & the exceptions.