Jetlag isn't about acceleration per se - it's about desynchronization of your circadian clock with that of your surroundings. I can get you jet lagged by putting you in an isolation suite and resetting the clock you pay attention to, no acceleration involved. That being said, the human body takes about a day to resynchronize from a shift of an hour. I suppose you need to accelerate to get that far that fast if you do it by travel, but you can put away the equations that figure the precise acceleration of this plane to discuss jet lag.
No, it's not. Power and unintended consequences come into play in very different ways when you scale things. And if someone believes it is just the same thing x 200 or 2,000, they'll be fooled into thinking that scaling a given problem does not change the resulting issues - a potentially fatal mistake. And they will fail miserably at solving most larger problems. A jetliner crashing is not the same as 200 Cessnas crashing, and vice versa. One mosquito in your house does not require the same solution as a million mosquitoes in your house, again vice versa. The tabletop model of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge held up just fine, thank you, and could stand in the Narrows until the next ice age. The full size one could not.
This is why the Eames made "Powers of Ten" - because engineers and designers didn't understand that different scales exhibit different challenges.
Now, back to the original premise to which I responded: that a computer without an OS is functional. Technically true, put practically not. A currently shipping retail computer minus its OS is essentially useless for its intended purpose.
You claimed that paying for the OS the French consumer doesn't want was impractical, I claimed that it's really just a matter of a few bucks, the effort to install the OS of your choice is the same. At that point your links to the definition of 'practical' all mentioned pratcice or action, none mentioned monetary value.
You changed the rules - you scaled the problem by an order of magnitude, and now to an entire country. Which changes the problem from that original consumer in France who doesn't want to pay for Windows if they don't like Windows.
At that point, it does become a different scenario with many more times the challenges than that consumer in France. For your mega-scale scenario, cost becomes a major issue (along with about a hundred other things that consumer in France won't ever have to consider).
For that consumer in France, the cost difference is a matter of the price of a pair of sneakers. For an entire country, that amount of money could become the price of a new school - and in this example - it's pretty clear that costing a country a school isn't just a larger version of an end user who doesn't get another pair of sneakers.
But back to the original position.
Pre-installed or not, he still has to install the OS of his choice to make the computer functional if he wants "no Windows". It's the same effort - there will be no change in the action needed for the consumer even if UFC wins this case and they have to sell PCs sans OS.
So Pierre still has to do all the same heavy lifting as before, bundle or no bundle. And oh yeah, he's out $50. That's where I originally supposed that the consumer / UFC wasn't arguing practicality, just money. Even the original suit claims it's about reimbursement for unwanted OS, and makes no mention about the action the end user is still going to have to expend if they get their way.
But hey - if you still feel the four-letter-word-approach is working, good luck with that.
Again, assuming youre geting a wintel box and you want something like ubuntu or something else on it, then you're going to format or partition the drive, and install what you want. You already decided the action of installing your OS was worth it, and that would all be the same with a box with no OS pre-installed. "Practical" refers to an amount of action, not to value.
The only thing you've lost is money by paying the MS premium. So again, it's a matter of money, not time and effort.
"How about regular click an edge to move the entire window, and control-click-drag anywhere on an edge to resize? (or vice versa)"
Which is French for "the way MS does it..."
See Fitt's Law and the idea that moving something as simple as a window isn't a two-handed job. Remember, the desktop interface is a metaphor for real world actions. If you have to finagle your left hand to make your right hand pick up a piece of paper, something's gotten too complicated.
Since the cast majority of Windows users have no idea that you can as much as mice the taskbar, I have long suspected that the vast majority of the whizzy abilities of the Windows interface were there to ward off deeper look-and-feel lawsuits. And now we're stuck with them.
...as they have the power to change the way things are done, they have the market as a virtually captive audience, and they consciously decide to foist underwhelming mediocrity on the computing world.
They can do anything they want and they choose to sit back and let the world innovate and they simply assimilate.
And have the stones to call themselves innovative.
If most of MS's products were the handiwork of a small band of noobs, you'd think it was respectable. Realizing that it's the work of thousands of seasoned veterans is just sad.
They are the Napoleon Dynamite of the sofware industry.
Apple has a 6% market share, and you're just paying for shiny. Roomba's market is 2M units lifetime compared to industry 10M units per year, and their cost per pound is... yikes! What a chump. Give me a Eureka, some coax, a Dell Dimension, and a Wingman 3D.
"Don't pay any attention to the critics. Don't even ignore them."
This is the sort of half-witted drivel that will always appear. He'll make his money griping about the people who are actually out changing the world.
This can succeed in the same way the Apple II succeeded. It may not be the lifelong solution, but it breaks a barrier, albeit artificial, and has the basic tools needed for connectivity and collaboration.
Opps, right. OK, I'll start ignoring him right.....NOW.
"It just works." You've done it now, boy-o, sealed the poor Wii's fate on Slashdot. Utter this phrase about Macs and people get a/. account to just to be able to beat you senseless with a two-button mouse.
Didn't he posit that the entire world population could fit in a Texas completely covered in housing? 265 miles on a side is about a quarter of NM - perfect! Good luck with that.
Stick'em on your building. We have one all-electric building with current tech that has a zero bill most months.
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At least, 10, 11, 27, 28, 42, 43, 44, 90 and 99 are well established.
Jetlag isn't about acceleration per se - it's about desynchronization of your circadian clock with that of your surroundings.
I can get you jet lagged by putting you in an isolation suite and resetting the clock you pay attention to, no acceleration involved.
That being said, the human body takes about a day to resynchronize from a shift of an hour.
I suppose you need to accelerate to get that far that fast if you do it by travel, but you can put away the equations that figure the precise acceleration of this plane to discuss jet lag.
Like most errant children, he's gotten away with so many things we didn't see, that he ought to be glad this is all he's being blamed for...
...that WIndows users can't change a home page: heck, they can't even figure out how to remove the ad stickers plastered over their palmrests.
...without falling down before we write them into the constitution.
And then there's always ASPC(R)A:
"No, officer, my AIBO has droopy-head-syndrome - honest, he always looks like that. It's a servo problem, I swear!"
Dogs have roughly 40 times the olfactory nerves/sensory surface area as humans - they're pretty much wired for it.
Not to mention the fake beard and glasses...
No, it's not.
Power and unintended consequences come into play in very different ways when you scale things.
And if someone believes it is just the same thing x 200 or 2,000, they'll be fooled into thinking that scaling a given problem does not change the resulting issues - a potentially fatal mistake.
And they will fail miserably at solving most larger problems.
A jetliner crashing is not the same as 200 Cessnas crashing, and vice versa.
One mosquito in your house does not require the same solution as a million mosquitoes in your house, again vice versa.
The tabletop model of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge held up just fine, thank you, and could stand in the Narrows until the next ice age.
The full size one could not.
This is why the Eames made "Powers of Ten" - because engineers and designers didn't understand that different scales exhibit different challenges.
Now, back to the original premise to which I responded: that a computer without an OS is functional.
Technically true, put practically not. A currently shipping retail computer minus its OS is essentially useless for its intended purpose.
You claimed that paying for the OS the French consumer doesn't want was impractical, I claimed that it's really just a matter of a few bucks, the effort to install the OS of your choice is the same. At that point your links to the definition of 'practical' all mentioned pratcice or action, none mentioned monetary value.
You changed the rules - you scaled the problem by an order of magnitude, and now to an entire country. Which changes the problem from that original consumer in France who doesn't want to pay for Windows if they don't like Windows.
At that point, it does become a different scenario with many more times the challenges than that consumer in France. For your mega-scale scenario, cost becomes a major issue (along with about a hundred other things that consumer in France won't ever have to consider).
For that consumer in France, the cost difference is a matter of the price of a pair of sneakers.
For an entire country, that amount of money could become the price of a new school - and in this example - it's pretty clear that costing a country a school isn't just a larger version of an end user who doesn't get another pair of sneakers.
But back to the original position.
Pre-installed or not, he still has to install the OS of his choice to make the computer functional if he wants "no Windows".
It's the same effort - there will be no change in the action needed for the consumer even if UFC wins this case and they have to sell PCs sans OS.
So Pierre still has to do all the same heavy lifting as before, bundle or no bundle. And oh yeah, he's out $50. That's where I originally supposed that the consumer / UFC wasn't arguing practicality, just money. Even the original suit claims it's about reimbursement for unwanted OS, and makes no mention about the action the end user is still going to have to expend if they get their way.
But hey - if you still feel the four-letter-word-approach is working, good luck with that.
Never mind what this does to the coin-in-the-bowl-of-water trick!
Sheesh.
Ah. By changing the scale, now you have a completely different problem.
Similarly:
One cow in the front yard is a olfactory issue.
A hundred cows in the front yard is now an engineering issue.
"Powers Of Ten" is a great classic resource for appreciating that in changing scale you also change the rules.
All the best,
1. I used your definitions;
2. What a wonderful way with words!
...Kool-Aid they're serving in Redmond?
Again, assuming youre geting a wintel box and you want something like ubuntu or something else on it, then you're going to format or partition the drive, and install what you want. You already decided the action of installing your OS was worth it, and that would all be the same with a box with no OS pre-installed. "Practical" refers to an amount of action, not to value.
The only thing you've lost is money by paying the MS premium. So again, it's a matter of money, not time and effort.
and good luck with that.
I used to love going to the official MS terraserver site and seeing a big black blob over the PAVE PAWS defense radar installation on Cape Cod.
I guess MS thought they needed to do the gummint's bidding and protect us from seeing a classified thing.
Then you moused over to jef poskanzer's acme mapper and get everything in it's full glory anyway.
Thanks - cuz I can't remember the bootstrap loader address for our 11/35 running RT-11SJ off dual RK05j DecPacks - can you hook a brother up?
You're confusing "practical" with "$50 more".
The installation time is assumed if you're installing your own OS.
""A computer without an OS is not functional. "
"that is completly wrong and shows that you have complete ignorance no how computers work."
In the strictest technical sense you're correct.
In a practical sense, your answer is irrelevant.
(But yet another reason to be nostalgic for Applesoft BASIC in ROM...)
"How about regular click an edge to move the entire window, and control-click-drag anywhere on an edge to resize? (or vice versa)"
Which is French for "the way MS does it..."
See Fitt's Law and the idea that moving something as simple as a window isn't a two-handed job. Remember, the desktop interface is a metaphor for real world actions. If you have to finagle your left hand to make your right hand pick up a piece of paper, something's gotten too complicated.
Since the cast majority of Windows users have no idea that you can as much as mice the taskbar, I have long suspected that the vast majority of the whizzy abilities of the Windows interface were there to ward off deeper look-and-feel lawsuits. And now we're stuck with them.
...as they have the power to change the way things are done, they have the market as a virtually captive audience, and they consciously decide to foist underwhelming mediocrity on the computing world.
They can do anything they want and they choose to sit back and let the world innovate and they simply assimilate.
And have the stones to call themselves innovative.
If most of MS's products were the handiwork of a small band of noobs, you'd think it was respectable. Realizing that it's the work of thousands of seasoned veterans is just sad.
They are the Napoleon Dynamite of the sofware industry.
Apple has a 6% market share, and you're just paying for shiny.
Roomba's market is 2M units lifetime compared to industry 10M units per year, and their cost per pound is... yikes!
What a chump.
Give me a Eureka, some coax, a Dell Dimension, and a Wingman 3D.
Just thought we'd get all that out of the way.
"Shut off the power at the primary circuit breaker." ...
"Install a burglar alarm."
A coal-fired one?
"Don't pay any attention to the critics. Don't even ignore them."
This is the sort of half-witted drivel that will always appear.
He'll make his money griping about the people who are actually out changing the world.
This can succeed in the same way the Apple II succeeded. It may not be the lifelong solution, but it breaks a barrier, albeit artificial, and has the basic tools needed for connectivity and collaboration.
Opps, right. OK, I'll start ignoring him right.....NOW.
"It just works." /. account to just to be able to beat you senseless with a two-button mouse.
You've done it now, boy-o, sealed the poor Wii's fate on Slashdot.
Utter this phrase about Macs and people get a
please.
Didn't he posit that the entire world population could fit in a Texas completely covered in housing?
265 miles on a side is about a quarter of NM - perfect!
Good luck with that.
Stick'em on your building. We have one all-electric building with current tech that has a zero bill most months.