"Large market share?" Try absolute share. Obtained through methods such as bullying OEM's, writing contracts that said 'Bundle Win9x or ELSE', and wiping competition out with this 'large' market share. I'm sorry, but how can you claim that to be legitimate? Through OEM's MS established an OS monopoly and through that OS monopoly, MS removed any competition, be it better or worse. MS did not win by their merits or 'innovation', they won because they ran the competition out of the market. That is ILLEGAL.
Your point most certainly does NOT stand. What if a critical piece of software is NOT avaiable for the Mac? There is a LOT more software for Win32 then for MacOS. And part of the argument made in the FoF is that developers are reluctant to develop for other sectors of the market because MS could come after you, or because the other markets aren't as lucrative. This leads back to the original point of the OS monopoly. Once that monopoly stands, noone will write software for other platforms because it's not profitable. Self fufulling monopoly.
The Judge said FAR more then the forced IE issue. Read the FoF for petes sake! Read on the OEM bullying, EVERYTHING. You're only showing your own ignorance by claiming all the Judge talked about was IE.
The harm to consumers comes from their lack of choice. When there is no choice, you're no longer a consumer using purchasing power. If you can't put your support (money) behind competition because there IS none, then you can't be called a consumer anymore.
Wow, are you a moron or do you just play one on TV? Have you READ the FoF? It's not all legalese. It's a real honest good read, because the Judge UNDERSTANDS the issue at hand. More importantly, he says why Apple is NOT a viable alternative (entire platform-switch scenario).
The Trial was based on if MS was a monopoly in the Intel/Intel Derivative market. And GASP, there was, and it was exploited! Why do you think the market is called Wintel by people on the other side of the fence?
I do believe you misunderstand my friend. What gives the copyright holders any LESS rights then the average citizen?
The RIAA is not a complete monopoly and do not con'troll' everything, or we wouldn't see sites like mp3.com where you can get LEGIT mp3's from artists who are publishing on a new medium.
And who the fsck said anything about a 'state monopoly grant'??? You're saying the RIAA is a government tool and somehow, through selling CD's and attempting to protect their own copyrighted material, they're trying to make off with our rights AND our money?
Noone rights were violated in this situation. If the network shares were there for anyone to see, then it's hardly illegal searching. That's like you saying I'm tresspassing by going into a public washroom. As for the rights of the copyright holders, they have every right to make protect their investment.
MP3s are not the issue. MP3s distributing copyrighted material are. MP3s are merely the medium, like the argument that a gun itself is not illegal, but using it to shoot someone is. If these students were passing around bootleg CD's, would this have made/.? No. MP3 is just the nice buzzword of the year, along with IPO.
No, nor will it finish anytime soon. RC5-64 can pretty much be assumed to be brute-force resistant. They're still in the low percentages of the total keyspace and they've been at it for AGES.
Brute force only being one method though. Algorithm weakness is a different matter entirely.
Lucklily, even if we assume a 3 letter gov't group somehow has 10 or 100x the power of all the distributed.net computers and deepcrack, etc, you can still assume RC5-64 to be brute force safe.
Just finished reading the MSNBC article. I hardly see why they even RAN it. What was it? A few quotes from/., MSNBC and AOL forums. None of them indicated what the majority thought. They ranged from "Yeah, MS Sucks" to "The DOJ should bugger off!"
None of them were attributed to author. No indication of context or what the consensus of the forum was there either. Strangely though, the pro-MS type quotes ("DOJ go home!"-style ones) were given to the AOL/MSNBC groups. I suppose they just wanted to make/. even more 'out there' and 'against the flow.' Sure, it's between-the-lines, but it's still there.
And while we're up, who feels like/.'ing the MSNBC poll running with that article? It was 33/33/33 between MS is a good monopoly/MS is an evil monopoly/MS is not a monopoly. I seriously wonder how 33% of voters could know about the FOF and still not believe it.
Where is the livid page located? Geographically anyway. Perhaps it should be moved to a location where Patent and Copyright laws are a little more... moderate.
Also, I find the fact that the author doesn't even know WHO'S claiming infringment, he's just getting the shaft and a kick to the ass.
Goes Google have a backup of the page? How about anyone's cache? The CVS, methinks the repository needs to be archived in many anonymous places.
We're not in the wrong, but that doesn't mean we won't get our asses slapped around. So lets lay out some contingencies.
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That's what I was thinking. We need to toughen these things up. Plexiglass? Transparent Alunimum?;)
And boy, I bet MS reaaaaaaaaaly cares about someone who bought one copy of Win98 upgrade and installed it in *GASP* 3 computers at home.
EULA's suck. There's no denying that. And I payed for a license that should stretch further then one fscking computer.
I can understand MS going after the Big Boys. Either people selling bootleg copies of their products or corporate people who can afford to buy a license for each of their 300 new computers but don't.
But come on, you honestly think they could give anything more then a flying fuck about a poor student who doesn't have 2 coins to rub together? (I'm lucky to have 2 DIMMS to rub together, but I won't.. Staic and all that;-D ) If anything, they should be HAPPY I purchased even one license. My friends all looked at me like I was raving mad when I bought Win98 Upgrade Edition.
One word: Student. I could scrounge $1800CDN from all my university money to scrape a computer together. While OEM Win98 is 'only' $~100, that's a hundred dollars that could have been another few gigs on the harddrive or a few MHz on the processor.
And while Students aren't a majority as far as people with buying power, pretty much every student needs a computer. So pander to us, dammit!
And yes, I DID install Win98 on this box. I'll be damned if I bought a copy for it though:P Tho I DID pay for my games. (straying offtopic) But Games are a different thing in my opinion.
"So has anyone actually _played_ wolf3d lately. Sure you get a nice "ah, I remember the good old days" feeling from it but when you look at it what we really loved about it was it was a precursor to a genre. Is anyone really interested in playing a "kill the guard, kill the guard, find the key, kill the guard, kill the boss" kind of game?"
This is why they didn't just take the Wolf3d textures/maps and slap them on the Quake engine. Heck, they'd be done by now if they were doing that:P
The only way to sell a rehash like this is to a) appeal to nostalgia and b) actually make it worth having for it's own merits. So in theory, we should get a new game with some cool features and what not.
Trivia: Wolf3d actually had a raytracing engine. Be glad there was no real z axis to it or it would have been SLOOWWWW.
Remember that when the concept of ABM was introduced, the only way to intercept a warhead that was in space, and a relatively insignificant, almost untrackable target was to blow up a nuke in it's general vicinity.
So the ABM treaties were introduced because if nuclear war sounded bad enough, atmospheric nuking and a non-perfect intercept percentage just wasn't desirable.
..does the patent expire? Most of us are happily awaiting the expiry of RSA, that should solve some Free Software headaches. Does LZW expire anytime soon? Or should we all get the contingency plans into gear and make PNGs work?
Incidently, all that has to happen is for Mozilla to do PNG's PERFECTLY and that will set a precendent for IE to do it too.
Lets all use PNG's, regardless of whether Unisys will sue us or not. The Internet is based on free standards, lets keep it up.
Sure, they're seeing the sense like nVidea did. The problem is that its still only Half Way There. Drivers are one thing, specs are another. If I'm reading this right, then much like the nVidea driver, we'll have source we can play with, but no specs. And without specs, just what are we going to do to IMPROVE these drivers?
Peer review is one of the founding points of Open Source software. And while efforts like this are WAY better then nothing at all, without specs there can be no peer review. Lets contrast two recent Big Hardware moves to Open Source, Matrox and nVidea.
nVidea released an opensource driver based on SGI's recently opensourced glx protocol. Right off the bat, you could play Q3Test on your nVidea card.
Matrox released specs for their G200/G400 cards. The driver took a while, but now plays Q3Test. And thanks to the specs being there, the driver is still being added to. The nVidea driver has no DMA, no AGP. The Matrox driver has these. And without specs, they can't be added to the nVidea one.
Anyway, that was my example. My point is that now that we're getting open source drivers, lets push for specs too. We'll end up with better drivers then.
Star Wars based on special effects? Episode One maybe, but not the old ones. Granted, the effects were far and beyond the current day, but in the end it was still about characters you could relate to, simple good vs evil plots, etc.
First, have any people commenting so far (before my post in terms of chronology) even READ this article? It seems to be a Witchhunt.
Here we have a Trek fan, who is bitter about the divergence in the franchise (so many different series), who is looking to point a finger. He calls TNG and Voyager tripe on the first page (and is half right;-) ). He goes on to be nostalgic, quoting Shatner again and again on the decline of the series. Talking about the old scripts being the best ones, the old actors being the best actors. He even says WHY this may be so, as nostalgia can cloud your vision. The 'good ol days' are always better. Then he ignores he ever said that.
Then he starts pointing fingers. Squarely at Rick Berman. Now, this is bar-none disgusting. He blames him for all the bad series. He blames him for killing off Kirk in a 'dishonorable' way (I thought how he died was good, he saved 200 odd million people and got to come back to life like Spock). Rick Berman may have had his faults, but he put DS9 & TNG on the air. Plus movies. Finding one person to point a finger at is SO easy, and here we see it done.
Then there's all the talk of marketing and franchising. Now he sounds like a bitter Star Wars fan, whining about George Lucas getting commercial and sick about the series.
Maybe Star Trek is dying. I hope not, DS9 was an amazing series. TNG was a great one too. 'Generations' was not as bad as the author wanted it to be. It was a way to look back at both TNG and TOS (or at least Kirk's hairpiece). It's sad to see a fan get bitter and start pointing fingers when his favorite toy series falls apart.
AMG names are good.. I have Banpei (Skuld's robot from the Manga) as my main masqbox/server. After that, the names got interesting.
I prefer female anime names. So my next machine was made up of the parts of Banpei (it was cannibalized before becoming a fulltime server). So the next computer was named Miyu, after Vampire Princess Miyu. Bits of humor:-)
I also have Noriko, an old Mac (from 3x3 IIRC), Aya, my new workstation (from Square's Parasite Eve). Anime names are the best names.
It's unfortunate to say the least. But unfortunately, AMD has had a history of plain out being second best. From the K6 onward, expectations were high, but yields and speeds were a little lower then what it took to unhorse Intel. The price may have been right, but that didn't mean AMD was ever the best of the best.
Then comes Athlon. A serious ass-whipper of a product. But the only real advertising AMD has going is word of mouth. And all along, Intel has built a pride reputation. Intel Inside actually MEANT something, and while the quality of commercials has certainly degraded (Better on the internet my A$$), the reputation for making the best of the best still stands among the largely unwashed and ininformed.
Only for once, Intel has real competition. And they've responded twofold, first releasing an Athlon killer, and now through marketing. That's twice as much as M$ ever did.
It's still despicable. I respect them for responding to competition with a better product, but FUD just sucks. However, it's the way the business world works. You might not win with JUST marketing or JUST with a better product, but hell, you'll do better with both.
Last I checked though, Standard Issue on an iMac didn't include a Zip drive. I'm saying, what happens when you have no bootability options? The Install CD might boot, but does that have all the repair tools you might need?
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What I meant when I said 'free' logins are the ones that don't actually have anything to do with my demographics. In other words, a login we can all use so that there's no information collection. A beat-the-system kinda thought.
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"Large market share?" Try absolute share. Obtained through methods such as bullying OEM's, writing contracts that said 'Bundle Win9x or ELSE', and wiping competition out with this 'large' market share. I'm sorry, but how can you claim that to be legitimate? Through OEM's MS established an OS monopoly and through that OS monopoly, MS removed any competition, be it better or worse. MS did not win by their merits or 'innovation', they won because they ran the competition out of the market. That is ILLEGAL.
Your point most certainly does NOT stand. What if a critical piece of software is NOT avaiable for the Mac? There is a LOT more software for Win32 then for MacOS. And part of the argument made in the FoF is that developers are reluctant to develop for other sectors of the market because MS could come after you, or because the other markets aren't as lucrative. This leads back to the original point of the OS monopoly. Once that monopoly stands, noone will write software for other platforms because it's not profitable. Self fufulling monopoly.
The Judge said FAR more then the forced IE issue. Read the FoF for petes sake! Read on the OEM bullying, EVERYTHING. You're only showing your own ignorance by claiming all the Judge talked about was IE.
The harm to consumers comes from their lack of choice. When there is no choice, you're no longer a consumer using purchasing power. If you can't put your support (money) behind competition because there IS none, then you can't be called a consumer anymore.
Wow, are you a moron or do you just play one on TV? Have you READ the FoF? It's not all legalese. It's a real honest good read, because the Judge UNDERSTANDS the issue at hand. More importantly, he says why Apple is NOT a viable alternative (entire platform-switch scenario).
The Trial was based on if MS was a monopoly in the Intel/Intel Derivative market. And GASP, there was, and it was exploited! Why do you think the market is called Wintel by people on the other side of the fence?
Would you like to wake up now?
I do believe you misunderstand my friend. What gives the copyright holders any LESS rights then the average citizen?
/.? No. MP3 is just the nice buzzword of the year, along with IPO.
The RIAA is not a complete monopoly and do not con'troll' everything, or we wouldn't see sites like mp3.com where you can get LEGIT mp3's from artists who are publishing on a new medium.
And who the fsck said anything about a 'state monopoly grant'??? You're saying the RIAA is a government tool and somehow, through selling CD's and attempting to protect their own copyrighted material, they're trying to make off with our rights AND our money?
Noone rights were violated in this situation. If the network shares were there for anyone to see, then it's hardly illegal searching. That's like you saying I'm tresspassing by going into a public washroom. As for the rights of the copyright holders, they have every right to make protect their investment.
MP3s are not the issue. MP3s distributing copyrighted material are. MP3s are merely the medium, like the argument that a gun itself is not illegal, but using it to shoot someone is. If these students were passing around bootleg CD's, would this have made
No, nor will it finish anytime soon. RC5-64 can pretty much be assumed to be brute-force resistant. They're still in the low percentages of the total keyspace and they've been at it for AGES.
Brute force only being one method though. Algorithm weakness is a different matter entirely.
Lucklily, even if we assume a 3 letter gov't group somehow has 10 or 100x the power of all the distributed.net computers and deepcrack, etc, you can still assume RC5-64 to be brute force safe.
Just finished reading the MSNBC article. I hardly see why they even RAN it. What was it? A few quotes from /., MSNBC and AOL forums. None of them indicated what the majority thought. They ranged from "Yeah, MS Sucks" to "The DOJ should bugger off!"
/. even more 'out there' and 'against the flow.' Sure, it's between-the-lines, but it's still there.
/.'ing the MSNBC poll running with that article? It was 33/33/33 between MS is a good monopoly/MS is an evil monopoly/MS is not a monopoly. I seriously wonder how 33% of voters could know about the FOF and still not believe it.
None of them were attributed to author. No indication of context or what the consensus of the forum was there either. Strangely though, the pro-MS type quotes ("DOJ go home!"-style ones) were given to the AOL/MSNBC groups. I suppose they just wanted to make
And while we're up, who feels like
Slink isn't as 'outdated' as people would have you believe. There are debs for Slink that cover upgrades to XFree 3.3.5, October Gnome, etc.
Slink is a beautiful and workable distro. Potato is fun. Debian, I love thee =)
Cheaper mouse? Maybe when they first made Windows.. But last time I bought a mouse, I was replacing an OEM MS mouse that died on me after 6 months.
The options: A replacement MS mouse: $80. Or, a Logitech First Mouse: $30. The $30 mouse is still with me, 2 years later.
Where is the livid page located? Geographically anyway. Perhaps it should be moved to a location where Patent and Copyright laws are a little more... moderate.
Also, I find the fact that the author doesn't even know WHO'S claiming infringment, he's just getting the shaft and a kick to the ass.
Goes Google have a backup of the page? How about anyone's cache? The CVS, methinks the repository needs to be archived in many anonymous places.
We're not in the wrong, but that doesn't mean we won't get our asses slapped around. So lets lay out some contingencies.
That's what I was thinking. We need to toughen these things up. Plexiglass? Transparent Alunimum? ;)
Dude.
Whoa.
It was cool =)
And boy, I bet MS reaaaaaaaaaly cares about someone who bought one copy of Win98 upgrade and installed it in *GASP* 3 computers at home.
;-D ) If anything, they should be HAPPY I purchased even one license. My friends all looked at me like I was raving mad when I bought Win98 Upgrade Edition.
EULA's suck. There's no denying that. And I payed for a license that should stretch further then one fscking computer.
I can understand MS going after the Big Boys. Either people selling bootleg copies of their products or corporate people who can afford to buy a license for each of their 300 new computers but don't.
But come on, you honestly think they could give anything more then a flying fuck about a poor student who doesn't have 2 coins to rub together? (I'm lucky to have 2 DIMMS to rub together, but I won't.. Staic and all that
But the LinuxOne page isn't Y2K complaint!
Hehehehe..
The epitome of resource managing, ship building, space exploring, empire games. And it's basically a Win3.11 app, so it's ALWAYS worked under Wine!
Yay for Stars! Yay for Wine!
One word: Student. I could scrounge $1800CDN from all my university money to scrape a computer together. While OEM Win98 is 'only' $~100, that's a hundred dollars that could have been another few gigs on the harddrive or a few MHz on the processor.
:P Tho I DID pay for my games. (straying offtopic) But Games are a different thing in my opinion.
And while Students aren't a majority as far as people with buying power, pretty much every student needs a computer. So pander to us, dammit!
And yes, I DID install Win98 on this box. I'll be damned if I bought a copy for it though
Erk.. I could be wrong =) Wasn't the type of BSP trees that Doom used though.
"So has anyone actually _played_ wolf3d lately. Sure you get a nice "ah, I remember the good old days" feeling from it but when you look at it what we really loved about it was it was a precursor to a genre. Is anyone really interested in playing a "kill the guard, kill the guard, find the key, kill the guard, kill the boss" kind of game?"
:P
This is why they didn't just take the Wolf3d textures/maps and slap them on the Quake engine. Heck, they'd be done by now if they were doing that
The only way to sell a rehash like this is to a) appeal to nostalgia and b) actually make it worth having for it's own merits. So in theory, we should get a new game with some cool features and what not.
Trivia: Wolf3d actually had a raytracing engine. Be glad there was no real z axis to it or it would have been SLOOWWWW.
Remember that when the concept of ABM was introduced, the only way to intercept a warhead that was in space, and a relatively insignificant, almost untrackable target was to blow up a nuke in it's general vicinity.
So the ABM treaties were introduced because if nuclear war sounded bad enough, atmospheric nuking and a non-perfect intercept percentage just wasn't desirable.
..does the patent expire? Most of us are happily awaiting the expiry of RSA, that should solve some Free Software headaches. Does LZW expire anytime soon? Or should we all get the contingency plans into gear and make PNGs work?
Incidently, all that has to happen is for Mozilla to do PNG's PERFECTLY and that will set a precendent for IE to do it too.
Lets all use PNG's, regardless of whether Unisys will sue us or not. The Internet is based on free standards, lets keep it up.
Sure, they're seeing the sense like nVidea did. The problem is that its still only Half Way There. Drivers are one thing, specs are another. If I'm reading this right, then much like the nVidea driver, we'll have source we can play with, but no specs. And without specs, just what are we going to do to IMPROVE these drivers?
Peer review is one of the founding points of Open Source software. And while efforts like this are WAY better then nothing at all, without specs there can be no peer review. Lets contrast two recent Big Hardware moves to Open Source, Matrox and nVidea.
nVidea released an opensource driver based on SGI's recently opensourced glx protocol. Right off the bat, you could play Q3Test on your nVidea card.
Matrox released specs for their G200/G400 cards. The driver took a while, but now plays Q3Test. And thanks to the specs being there, the driver is still being added to. The nVidea driver has no DMA, no AGP. The Matrox driver has these. And without specs, they can't be added to the nVidea one.
Anyway, that was my example. My point is that now that we're getting open source drivers, lets push for specs too. We'll end up with better drivers then.
Star Wars based on special effects? Episode One maybe, but not the old ones. Granted, the effects were far and beyond the current day, but in the end it was still about characters you could relate to, simple good vs evil plots, etc.
First, have any people commenting so far (before my post in terms of chronology) even READ this article? It seems to be a Witchhunt.
;-) ). He goes on to be nostalgic, quoting Shatner again and again on the decline of the series. Talking about the old scripts being the best ones, the old actors being the best actors. He even says WHY this may be so, as nostalgia can cloud your vision. The 'good ol days' are always better. Then he ignores he ever said that.
Here we have a Trek fan, who is bitter about the divergence in the franchise (so many different series), who is looking to point a finger. He calls TNG and Voyager tripe on the first page (and is half right
Then he starts pointing fingers. Squarely at Rick Berman. Now, this is bar-none disgusting. He blames him for all the bad series. He blames him for killing off Kirk in a 'dishonorable' way (I thought how he died was good, he saved 200 odd million people and got to come back to life like Spock). Rick Berman may have had his faults, but he put DS9 & TNG on the air. Plus movies. Finding one person to point a finger at is SO easy, and here we see it done.
Then there's all the talk of marketing and franchising. Now he sounds like a bitter Star Wars fan, whining about George Lucas getting commercial and sick about the series.
Maybe Star Trek is dying. I hope not, DS9 was an amazing series. TNG was a great one too. 'Generations' was not as bad as the author wanted it to be. It was a way to look back at both TNG and TOS (or at least Kirk's hairpiece). It's sad to see a fan get bitter and start pointing fingers when his favorite toy series falls apart.
AMG names are good.. I have Banpei (Skuld's robot from the Manga) as my main masqbox/server. After that, the names got interesting.
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I prefer female anime names. So my next machine was made up of the parts of Banpei (it was cannibalized before becoming a fulltime server). So the next computer was named Miyu, after Vampire Princess Miyu. Bits of humor
I also have Noriko, an old Mac (from 3x3 IIRC), Aya, my new workstation (from Square's Parasite Eve). Anime names are the best names.
It's unfortunate to say the least. But unfortunately, AMD has had a history of plain out being second best. From the K6 onward, expectations were high, but yields and speeds were a little lower then what it took to unhorse Intel. The price may have been right, but that didn't mean AMD was ever the best of the best.
Then comes Athlon. A serious ass-whipper of a product. But the only real advertising AMD has going is word of mouth. And all along, Intel has built a pride reputation. Intel Inside actually MEANT something, and while the quality of commercials has certainly degraded (Better on the internet my A$$), the reputation for making the best of the best still stands among the largely unwashed and ininformed.
Only for once, Intel has real competition. And they've responded twofold, first releasing an Athlon killer, and now through marketing. That's twice as much as M$ ever did.
It's still despicable. I respect them for responding to competition with a better product, but FUD just sucks. However, it's the way the business world works. You might not win with JUST marketing or JUST with a better product, but hell, you'll do better with both.
Last I checked though, Standard Issue on an iMac didn't include a Zip drive. I'm saying, what happens when you have no bootability options? The Install CD might boot, but does that have all the repair tools you might need?
What I meant when I said 'free' logins are the ones that don't actually have anything to do with my demographics. In other words, a login we can all use so that there's no information collection. A beat-the-system kinda thought.