In my opinion, the KDE app that can be downloaded from kde.org aren't that special. For most of them, I have an alternative that I prefer. No doubt the same goes for Windows users. So what's the big deal?
I just don't use my microdevices to browse the web
Well, I do. This comment is posted with a Nokia 6810. The screen is tiny and the keyboard too, but slashdot works. I also pounded out a few PHP scrips to search the corporate phonelist, to work on my blog and to keep an eye on my server. The XHTML browser on the Nokia isn't great, but I guess this Mozilla version won't fit in the 2.5 megs that this phone has.
I have four years worth of project files and never open them. Yes I keep them but that is more because sorting them out takes too much time. Application Architectures and programming languages change and methods and procedures change as well. I an not at all sure that the archive argument is very important.
get bought up by some company for your copious skills
That's not always a good idea. Just look at the guy who created TOra. For those not in the know, it's one of the most advanced OSS tools for Oracle developers; it runs on Windows and on Linux, it's Qt-based. The big package for windows was always TOAD, by Quest software. So, what did Quest do? Offer Hendrik Johansson a job, claiming that he could move from Sweden to the USA, and be paid to work at TOra. Guess what? When he accepted and had moved, they had him work on TOAD (the windows product) and not his own opensource TOra... That's how you can slow development on OSS software: buy lead developer with pretty lies and then claim all his time.
Good points. While you'd think that a little money would make sure bugs got fixed, that is far from the truth. The Sun engineer made a quick fix and MONTHS later, QA finds it... This wouldn't happen with a developer who's doing it for the love of the labour.
Attention, everyone. This guy logged a bug and it got actually fixed in the next version. That's a lot better than OOo's trackrecord (I've logged a bug which is heading towards two years and not fixed). This really says something about the development team, enthousiastic and not bogged down by crazy procedures.
Whoops, I guess I didn't accurately read your post. Then I fully agree, it'd be quite nice to be able to present code as UML using a couple of small tools.
No offense meant, but you're talking like a programmer. UML is a language for analysis, modeling and design: meant for analysts. When they're done cranking diagrams out, programmers can start doing some serious coding.
This way, everyone is doing what (s)he's doing best.
This is getting to be old news. Kind of like Linux on the Desktop stories.
Yes we do. This website brings (amongst other topics) news on Linux.
Besides, if it doesn't interest you, it might interest others. I think comments like yours are getting to be old news. I keep seeing 'old news blahblah' posts on almost any subject.
I agree that you need to learn some good OO concepts. But my point was that being proficient with one framework or another is an advantage these days. The tools matter, but not so much as the framework.
I can put some projects on my resume which look like s*** since old technology was used in them. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm a bad programmer. It just says that I didn't get to do the real interesting and new stuff.
I mean file operation is the same principles in Unix, Windows, "Java", BillGatesMustDie OS (I make it up) - the difference is really whether they call it new File("hello").open() or open("hello", READ_ONLY)
Except that these don't matter anymore. If you're working on enterprise level applications, it doesn't matter whether you can program in this or that language, but whether you are familiar with particularly that tool (say JDeveloper) using that framework (say Struts) on that application server (say 9iAS). And learning OO in general and by itself is just not good enough.
Slightly offtopic, but on the page of OEOne Homebase desktop here, they mention that they use Mozilla and that keeping track of bookmarks is so easy because little screenshots are taken. (?)
Have I missed something in my copy of Mozilla or is this something OEone'ish?
I don't think this has a chance. If you look at software for intrusion detection, you'll see that researchers hav put in many, MANY years of research trying to pick up 'strange' network traffic. But it just didn't work. They couldn't get it useable, no matter what smart technologies they used (neural nets, petri nets, complicated statistical methods).
Then along comes a guy who just tries to pick up certain, well-known strings from the network stream and voila, a sort of virus scanner for networktraffic. Works like a charm, with low false positives. See also here, but there are others.
Several prolific warez kiddies figured out how to change their MAC address to bill their service to their neighbors or even to our own router (!). We're still not sure exactly how that happened.
Let me see.... You call them kiddies. But you are still not sure exactly how that happened?...:)
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In my opinion, the KDE app that can be downloaded from kde.org aren't that special. For most of them, I have an alternative that I prefer. No doubt the same goes for Windows users. So what's the big deal?
Well, I do. This comment is posted with a Nokia 6810. The screen is tiny and the keyboard too, but slashdot works. I also pounded out a few PHP scrips to search the corporate phonelist, to work on my blog and to keep an eye on my server. The XHTML browser on the Nokia isn't great, but I guess this Mozilla version won't fit in the 2.5 megs that this phone has.
I have four years worth of project files and never open them. Yes I keep them but that is more because sorting them out takes too much time. Application Architectures and programming languages change and methods and procedures change as well. I an not at all sure that the archive argument is very important.
Riiiiiight...
"other stuff"... This is slashdot man, we call it PORN.
I didn't RTFA. Obviously.
j/k :)
Everyone, please mod parent up. Quest has questionable business practices, and it's time to vote with your dollars. There are always alternatives.
That's not always a good idea. Just look at the guy who created TOra. For those not in the know, it's one of the most advanced OSS tools for Oracle developers; it runs on Windows and on Linux, it's Qt-based. The big package for windows was always TOAD, by Quest software. So, what did Quest do? Offer Hendrik Johansson a job, claiming that he could move from Sweden to the USA, and be paid to work at TOra. Guess what? When he accepted and had moved, they had him work on TOAD (the windows product) and not his own opensource TOra... That's how you can slow development on OSS software: buy lead developer with pretty lies and then claim all his time.
Good points. While you'd think that a little money would make sure bugs got fixed, that is far from the truth. The Sun engineer made a quick fix and MONTHS later, QA finds it... This wouldn't happen with a developer who's doing it for the love of the labour.
Attention, everyone. This guy logged a bug and it got actually fixed in the next version. That's a lot better than OOo's trackrecord (I've logged a bug which is heading towards two years and not fixed). This really says something about the development team, enthousiastic and not bogged down by crazy procedures.
Nice review, but if the book is not from O'Reilly, I probably won't buy it.
Although you (and I) like OOo, you can't claim that it's a drop-in replacement; the im/export is good but DEFINITELY not flawless.
Whoops, I guess I didn't accurately read your post. Then I fully agree, it'd be quite nice to be able to present code as UML using a couple of small tools.
No offense meant, but you're talking like a programmer. UML is a language for analysis, modeling and design: meant for analysts. When they're done cranking diagrams out, programmers can start doing some serious coding.
This way, everyone is doing what (s)he's doing best.
This is getting to be old news. Kind of like Linux on the Desktop stories.
Yes we do. This website brings (amongst other topics) news on Linux.
Besides, if it doesn't interest you, it might interest others. I think comments like yours are getting to be old news. I keep seeing 'old news blahblah' posts on almost any subject.
For ppl thinking 'How long is this gonna take?': it's 16 questions. Takes 15 mins or so.
I agree that you need to learn some good OO concepts. But my point was that being proficient with one framework or another is an advantage these days. The tools matter, but not so much as the framework.
I can put some projects on my resume which look like s*** since old technology was used in them. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm a bad programmer. It just says that I didn't get to do the real interesting and new stuff.
Yeah of course, you need to know Java... Only pressing buttons in the wizards is going to get you nowhere.
But my point is, in this market you have an advantage when you are familiar with the tools/frameworks which your future employee works.
Except that these don't matter anymore. If you're working on enterprise level applications, it doesn't matter whether you can program in this or that language, but whether you are familiar with particularly that tool (say JDeveloper) using that framework (say Struts) on that application server (say 9iAS). And learning OO in general and by itself is just not good enough.
Slightly offtopic, but on the page of OEOne Homebase desktop here, they mention that they use Mozilla and that keeping track of bookmarks is so easy because little screenshots are taken. (?)
Have I missed something in my copy of Mozilla or is this something OEone'ish?
My favorite feature is that images can be blocked with a right-click.
I bet IE will never implement this.
I don't think this has a chance. If you look at software for intrusion detection, you'll see that researchers hav put in many, MANY years of research trying to pick up 'strange' network traffic. But it just didn't work. They couldn't get it useable, no matter what smart technologies they used (neural nets, petri nets, complicated statistical methods).
Then along comes a guy who just tries to pick up certain, well-known strings from the network stream and voila, a sort of virus scanner for networktraffic. Works like a charm, with low false positives. See also here, but there are others.
That would have to be text-porn, since Dasher is a text-entry interface...
Here is a Google cache of the link he mentioned
Let me see.... You call them kiddies. But you are still not sure exactly how that happened?...