Good idea. Let's teach them a language they have about a 2% chance of ever using again.
How about we teach them VB? The chance of using it in either a programming (ok, maybe not a _real_ programming) job or VBScript is VERY high.
Python is going to be practically useless to 95% of kids. So is pascal (Well, I love Delphi - but I don't think it's much longer for this world) Your last paragraph amuses me - what you _really_ mean is that teaching them python is a way to get them into Unix before they find out that windows is easier to use. It wouldn't work anyway.
First off, it doesn't surprise me to have the article held up in an anti-microsoft light. The slant that anything involving MS gets around here never ceases to amaze me.
Anyway, I've long contended that letting Apple take over our schools has been a VERY bad idea - let's be real - 90% of the kids that grow up to work with a computer WILL be using MS products. That's just a fact. So what's the point in training the on an Apple? Or Linux for that matter? At least if MS is involved, in all likely hood they are gaining useful skills.
I can't WAIT for the anti-microsoft replies to this one...
Oh I see - A ballet that was sent to all voters BEFORE it was used - not one complaint - that's fraud.
Just out of curiousity, you stupid liberal, what do you call bribing homeless peple with cigerettes to vote? The American way? Nope, the Gore way - that dipshit will do anything to win. And thinks he can do anything he wants.
Catch a clue and wake up. Bush ain't all the great. But he's a damn site better than gore.
I am _certainly_ not suggesting that children (or adults, for that matter) should be abused! As far as your incident - sounds kinda like what happens to NBA & NFL players doesn't it? Not fair - but it is reality...
Bah - these people were abused children and having nothing better to do with their time than to attempt to pull people down into their misgotten boring little lives.
I for one couldnt' have cared less whether you plagerized it or not. And if I did, I'd have e-mailed you directly. This is a primary problem with the internet. People who would normally conduct themselves in a civil manner suddenly think they are driving a car - that is to say they do whatever they want despite how rude or moronic it may be.
Personally, I don't think we are doing kids any good by trying to make High School fair & uncompetitive. It ain't that way in the real world folks. This whole 'let's not keep score at soccer games' and such - or no dodge ball cause it breed compeition...well..that's what the US is about (unless you are a democrat - then it would be about turn us into a socialist society) Life ain't gonna get fairer as they get older - in fact, it's going to get worse - a LOT worse.
Hmm...I was one of those geeky kids in school - but in retrospect, I tend to agree - it's one thing to make a statement - it's another when making that statement wanders into other peoples space. However, I disagree that he deserved suspension - a lot worse gets down by kids that don't get suspended.
Hardly - you just need to read the article instead of automatically assuming anything that isn't free and on linux can't possibly be good - which seems to be the norm for SlashDot users
From the article:
'With our priorities of speedy development, ease of use, and a complete and powerful API, ColdFusion really stood out.'
THAT is why CF stands out - they have targets that are in reality. And the next reply to this will be 'I can code faster than X people' Maybe you can. But if you take 10 random CF coders and 10 random PHP coders, you are MUCH MUCH more likely to have the CF people easily out perform the PHP people. This is just the reality of the languages. You don't NEED a full blown language to delivery things on the 'net. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. These are words to live by.
wondering why anyone is listening to that loser. He's been out of touch for HOW many years? They should have left him in jail. The moron causes a lot of willful damage. He's a black hat people, not a white hat. He just finally figured out how stupid he was, so now he's just to fix his image. Incidentally, any moron with a computer could have hacked systems back when he did, so don't be too impressed with him.
SUN has it's head up it's ass. It's a Microsoft-wannabe - it's stuck between trying to own and dictate java while at the same time trying to claim it's open. Depends on which department you talk to. The only reason it's finally moving forward again is because IBM beat them with a wet noodle. I would _love_ to switch to java. I think it could be a great(tm) thing. But, like the Apple, Sun is going to keep SCREWING around until Microsoft REVs them to death. HOW many times has a great potential product/software/etc came out only to have MS trample it? Look at Word Perfect & Office. Office use to _SUCK_. It took them a long time, but Office pretty much kicked Word Perfect into the dirt. Once Microsoft gets rolling (and this takes a long time) it's practically impossible to stop. Java had a, what, three year leap on them? And Sun has squandered it. The window is quickly closing. Java could have owned the market. Now, who knows?.NET is pitched at EVERY level. You're delusional if you think the MS is going to settle for small piece of the market. C# is targeted at client & server side - and it's a direct competitor for Java, or it will be. I know, I know, it's vapor right now. So was MS Office.
I've been a contract developer for over 10 years now. I've worked in a cubicle for about 7 years. As far as hours worked go, I'm a contracter - I get paid for every hour I work, period. If you're working 80 hours a week on salary, then, well, your an idiot. If you're depressed because your in a cube, well, your an idiot. If your staying in a job you are unhappy with, then, well, your an idiot.
If you are depressed, you need to either a) GET OVER IT or b) get happy drugs from the doctor. Sorry, but this article seems like yet another way for people to shift responsibility for their attitude and actions to others. YOU are responsible for your happiness. Period. YOU are responsible for you attitutde. Period. IT is to blame for black moods? Whatever. You are to blame for staying in the situation if you can't handle it.
I stopped doing business with them over 6 years ago due to thier treatment of me. Last time they called me, I got completely rude (probably more so than necessary) demanding they remove me from there calling lists and never bother me again.
Don't know how well it will work, but they haven't called in a while. Maybe we should start an AT&T boycott.....
The funny thing is, had the music industry put forth a digital standard years ago, it would probably be the defacto standard. Instead, they kept their heads in the sand, chanting '$15 CDs Forever!', assuming we'd stick our heads in too. It's pretty much too late for them to control it. If I don't like what they come up with, I'll just keep using my MP3s. This cow ain't just out the barn door - it's been copulating for years! The video industry had best wise up or they'll be next. No one is really advocating priacy - but let's face it, _we_ all know how much CD's cost to make. Albums have NEVER had a price drop. Never. Given all of this, I say they deserve whatever they get. *chuckle* Control has slipped through your fingers...sucks doesn't it.
he's an honest thief. Funny, I'm troubled that you came here expecting to circumvent the immigrations laws, much less have children. Yet another reason why H1B needs to go.
Again, I am _not_ saying let's not have immigration. I'm not saying block tech people. I _am_ saying block this short cut method of importing cheap labor. I seriously doubt your great-grandfather came in under a special issue visa that was created via lobbying group.
Didn't say SS crisis was FUD. I said your bringing up of it was - or at least that's what I meant. And actually, I'm _very_ much for reform of it (privatize a portion) and, nope, I don't expect to see a dime from it. I have my own retirement funds. What was this pot shot for anyway?
I certainly agree that it is surely having an effect over-seas. I should have pointed out that I agreed with you about that part. I mostly just don't see congress being that subtle. Interesting point thought.
Do you _really_ think that any of the senate/house actual have that good of a handle on software development? Don't you realize just how much the industry donates to them? Sure, there are cases where H1Bs aren't used for cheap labor - the problem is, that's the exception, not the rule. You're also assuming that every H1B visa that makes it into the country is a highly-skilled coder. That's not even close to the truth. I wish the senate/house WERE smart enough to actually engage in the subtle manipulation you're suggesting. (Or maybe not - they are dangerous enough without that ability)
First off, you're WAY over simplifying how easy it is to 'just move the job somewhere else' Nothing gets done quickly or easy in a corporation large enough to be international.
Also, most companies are not international enough to have offices in multiple countries WITH enough presence to actually shift major areas of their company. It also bears mentioning that few companies are actually willing to have not have their developers where they can see them. The number of companies that actually outsource development over seas is quite small and will remain that way for a long time to come.
As far as your scientist, etc startup angle - totally unrelated to the H1B arguement. Only a moron would come in on an H1B and start a company just to be deported three years later. No one has ever debated that there aren't skilled people in other countries, so I fail to see where that comment is relevant.
Skilled immigration is NOT an H1B visa, so again, your comment is not relevant. We're talking about short term cheap labor, not skilled workers attempting to get citizenship. We're talking about body shops using H1Bs to undercut my wages. So don't combine the two OR ASSUME that because I'm against H1Bs that I'm against immigration in general. That's narrow minded and moronic. I am against immigrants coming into the US and ending up on the welfare roles or committing crimes - they should be deported immediately if that happens, but that's another entire discussion and is completely unrelated to the thread.
Bottom line: a) There isn't an IT shortage (or not one that warrants importing workers) and b) it is just a way to get cheap labor into the states.
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Good idea. Let's teach them a language they have about a 2% chance of ever using again.
How about we teach them VB? The chance of using it in either a programming (ok, maybe not a _real_ programming) job or VBScript is VERY high. Python is going to be practically useless to 95% of kids. So is pascal (Well, I love Delphi - but I don't think it's much longer for this world) Your last paragraph amuses me - what you _really_ mean is that teaching them python is a way to get them into Unix before they find out that windows is easier to use. It wouldn't work anyway.
First off, it doesn't surprise me to have the article held up in an anti-microsoft light. The slant that anything involving MS gets around here never ceases to amaze me.
Anyway, I've long contended that letting Apple take over our schools has been a VERY bad idea - let's be real - 90% of the kids that grow up to work with a computer WILL be using MS products. That's just a fact. So what's the point in training the on an Apple? Or Linux for that matter? At least if MS is involved, in all likely hood they are gaining useful skills.
I can't WAIT for the anti-microsoft replies to this one...
Good come back. Silly me, I was expecting at least some retort to my charges.
Oh I see - A ballet that was sent to all voters BEFORE it was used - not one complaint - that's fraud.
Just out of curiousity, you stupid liberal, what do you call bribing homeless peple with cigerettes to vote? The American way? Nope, the Gore way - that dipshit will do anything to win. And thinks he can do anything he wants.
Catch a clue and wake up. Bush ain't all the great. But he's a damn site better than gore.
I am _certainly_ not suggesting that children (or adults, for that matter) should be abused! As far as your incident - sounds kinda like what happens to NBA & NFL players doesn't it? Not fair - but it is reality...
mm...I like this - nope, never watched Daria - but this is the first time I think I've ever seen someone put reality quite like that - and I agree.
Bah - these people were abused children and having nothing better to do with their time than to attempt to pull people down into their misgotten boring little lives.
I for one couldnt' have cared less whether you plagerized it or not. And if I did, I'd have e-mailed you directly. This is a primary problem with the internet. People who would normally conduct themselves in a civil manner suddenly think they are driving a car - that is to say they do whatever they want despite how rude or moronic it may be.
Personally, I don't think we are doing kids any good by trying to make High School fair & uncompetitive. It ain't that way in the real world folks. This whole 'let's not keep score at soccer games' and such - or no dodge ball cause it breed compeition...well..that's what the US is about (unless you are a democrat - then it would be about turn us into a socialist society) Life ain't gonna get fairer as they get older - in fact, it's going to get worse - a LOT worse.
To quote one famous Leon 'Always this hard'
Hmm...I was one of those geeky kids in school - but in retrospect, I tend to agree - it's one thing to make a statement - it's another when making that statement wanders into other peoples space. However, I disagree that he deserved suspension - a lot worse gets down by kids that don't get suspended.
Hardly - you just need to read the article instead of automatically assuming anything that isn't free and on linux can't possibly be good - which seems to be the norm for SlashDot users From the article: 'With our priorities of speedy development, ease of use, and a complete and powerful API, ColdFusion really stood out.' THAT is why CF stands out - they have targets that are in reality. And the next reply to this will be 'I can code faster than X people' Maybe you can. But if you take 10 random CF coders and 10 random PHP coders, you are MUCH MUCH more likely to have the CF people easily out perform the PHP people. This is just the reality of the languages. You don't NEED a full blown language to delivery things on the 'net. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. These are words to live by.
Depends on your point of view. CF can easily be extended with C, Delphi, etc.
I was interested in what you had to say til I read this.
wondering why anyone is listening to that loser. He's been out of touch for HOW many years? They should have left him in jail. The moron causes a lot of willful damage. He's a black hat people, not a white hat. He just finally figured out how stupid he was, so now he's just to fix his image. Incidentally, any moron with a computer could have hacked systems back when he did, so don't be too impressed with him.
Dominate? What gives you that impression? Please give me a real citation. Sounds like wishful thinking.
Let's keep you martyr linux coders in the closet. Less competition that way.
SUN has it's head up it's ass. It's a Microsoft-wannabe - it's stuck between trying to own and dictate java while at the same time trying to claim it's open. Depends on which department you talk to. The only reason it's finally moving forward again is because IBM beat them with a wet noodle. I would _love_ to switch to java. I think it could be a great(tm) thing. But, like the Apple, Sun is going to keep SCREWING around until Microsoft REVs them to death. HOW many times has a great potential product/software/etc came out only to have MS trample it? Look at Word Perfect & Office. Office use to _SUCK_. It took them a long time, but Office pretty much kicked Word Perfect into the dirt. Once Microsoft gets rolling (and this takes a long time) it's practically impossible to stop. Java had a, what, three year leap on them? And Sun has squandered it. The window is quickly closing. Java could have owned the market. Now, who knows? .NET is pitched at EVERY level. You're delusional if you think the MS is going to settle for small piece of the market. C# is targeted at client & server side - and it's a direct competitor for Java, or it will be. I know, I know, it's vapor right now. So was MS Office.
I've been a contract developer for over 10 years now. I've worked in a cubicle for about 7 years. As far as hours worked go, I'm a contracter - I get paid for every hour I work, period. If you're working 80 hours a week on salary, then, well, your an idiot. If you're depressed because your in a cube, well, your an idiot. If your staying in a job you are unhappy with, then, well, your an idiot.
If you are depressed, you need to either a) GET OVER IT or b) get happy drugs from the doctor. Sorry, but this article seems like yet another way for people to shift responsibility for their attitude and actions to others. YOU are responsible for your happiness. Period. YOU are responsible for you attitutde. Period. IT is to blame for black moods? Whatever. You are to blame for staying in the situation if you can't handle it.
I stopped doing business with them over 6 years ago due to thier treatment of me. Last time they called me, I got completely rude (probably more so than necessary) demanding they remove me from there calling lists and never bother me again.
Don't know how well it will work, but they haven't called in a while. Maybe we should start an AT&T boycott.....
The funny thing is, had the music industry put forth a digital standard years ago, it would probably be the defacto standard. Instead, they kept their heads in the sand, chanting '$15 CDs Forever!', assuming we'd stick our heads in too. It's pretty much too late for them to control it. If I don't like what they come up with, I'll just keep using my MP3s. This cow ain't just out the barn door - it's been copulating for years! The video industry had best wise up or they'll be next. No one is really advocating priacy - but let's face it, _we_ all know how much CD's cost to make. Albums have NEVER had a price drop. Never. Given all of this, I say they deserve whatever they get. *chuckle* Control has slipped through your fingers...sucks doesn't it.
he's an honest thief. Funny, I'm troubled that you came here expecting to circumvent the immigrations laws, much less have children. Yet another reason why H1B needs to go.
Again, I am _not_ saying let's not have immigration. I'm not saying block tech people. I _am_ saying block this short cut method of importing cheap labor. I seriously doubt your great-grandfather came in under a special issue visa that was created via lobbying group.
Didn't say SS crisis was FUD. I said your bringing up of it was - or at least that's what I meant. And actually, I'm _very_ much for reform of it (privatize a portion) and, nope, I don't expect to see a dime from it. I have my own retirement funds. What was this pot shot for anyway?
I certainly agree that it is surely having an effect over-seas. I should have pointed out that I agreed with you about that part. I mostly just don't see congress being that subtle. Interesting point thought.
Do you _really_ think that any of the senate/house actual have that good of a handle on software development? Don't you realize just how much the industry donates to them? Sure, there are cases where H1Bs aren't used for cheap labor - the problem is, that's the exception, not the rule. You're also assuming that every H1B visa that makes it into the country is a highly-skilled coder. That's not even close to the truth. I wish the senate/house WERE smart enough to actually engage in the subtle manipulation you're suggesting. (Or maybe not - they are dangerous enough without that ability)
First off, you're WAY over simplifying how easy it is to 'just move the job somewhere else' Nothing gets done quickly or easy in a corporation large enough to be international.
Also, most companies are not international enough to have offices in multiple countries WITH enough presence to actually shift major areas of their company. It also bears mentioning that few companies are actually willing to have not have their developers where they can see them. The number of companies that actually outsource development over seas is quite small and will remain that way for a long time to come.
As far as your scientist, etc startup angle - totally unrelated to the H1B arguement. Only a moron would come in on an H1B and start a company just to be deported three years later. No one has ever debated that there aren't skilled people in other countries, so I fail to see where that comment is relevant.
Skilled immigration is NOT an H1B visa, so again, your comment is not relevant. We're talking about short term cheap labor, not skilled workers attempting to get citizenship. We're talking about body shops using H1Bs to undercut my wages. So don't combine the two OR ASSUME that because I'm against H1Bs that I'm against immigration in general. That's narrow minded and moronic. I am against immigrants coming into the US and ending up on the welfare roles or committing crimes - they should be deported immediately if that happens, but that's another entire discussion and is completely unrelated to the thread.
Bottom line: a) There isn't an IT shortage (or not one that warrants importing workers) and b) it is just a way to get cheap labor into the states.
Dem's da facts.
Excellent idea! There actually _is_ a shortage of teachers. WOuld be novel - legislation that actually addresses a problem.