The only advantage I see to makeing H1B permanent is maybe then you'll stop dragging down my wages. And don't give me that crap about an IT shortage, those of us in the business know fully well there isn't one.
However, it would be totally unfair to place H1B visa people ahead of all the immigrant registrations, so that really isn't an option. Past that, I see no reason to allow everyone in the world to immigrate to the US. Most other countries, including the ones most H1B's come from, wouldn't dream of letting US citizens enter their country to steal jobs from the current citizens. This has nothting to to with xenophobia (which is an incorrect term in any case) They only reason they let H1Bs in is for cheap labor. So save the FUD on SS.
Funny, the reason I refuse to support 3DFX is principle. I cannot condone a company that builds itself up as non-proprietary and then switches to a proprietary card. No way.
Acutally, recent review don't show the gap closing from the V5 to the GeForce 2 even under FSAA until you get to like 1600x1200. Even then it only matches it. Pretty much everywhere else is lower or MUCH lower.
I can certainly see where it would rub you wrong - I have had the same thing happen to me from some of the posts on this thread (bascially insulting windows programmers *grin*). All I can say is I am _sure_ the windows programming market is larger and pays better. And that is precisely because more people use it. And that is because there is more software readily available (and easy to use & install).
I really want to see Linux take off. My biggest fear right now is that Linux may have waited to long to get in the game. There is one thing that Micrsoft does right - and that's learn from past mistakes. They WILL revision a piece of software until it surpasses most items on the market. This has happened time and time again. And that's what they are trying to do now with NT. Win 2000 (and I HATE Microsoft) is pretty cool. Installs easy. Runs easy. Have had little or no problems with it. I really think (IF it works) that Delphi coming to Linux can be a very strong positive for it. It scares me even more to see the attutiude of MANY of the posts on this thread. My buddy said to me it reminded him of the attutude a lot of OS/2 coders had. It's like many of them seem to enjoy that Linux is a niche OS and would rather it not go into the mainstream. Some kind of martyr syndrome or something. I guess if your mainstream you can't take as many pot shots as Windows. I dunno.
Interesting - I found the Delphi IDE to be easier and more straight forward than VBs. Of course, I looked at VB6 AFTER I had been doing Delphi since D1. Could it be it's just not what you are use to? If you're coming from a VB background, no offense intended, but that's probably the problem. As far as converting ASP to Delphi, that was probably pointless from the start. While Delphi has Web tools, I'd either leave it in ASP or use Cold Fusion and extend it with Delphi. THere is little doubt Delphi is a more efficent language IF you can past the learning curve, which is still a LOT less steep than say C++ (or that C# crap) Is it as easy as VB? Nope. But there is a price for ease.
Borland is working to bring probably the best programming language around to you guys, and all you can do is whine about crappy software that's going to get written. AT LEAST some software might FINALLY get written! Good GOD man, are you OUT OF YOUR MIND!?! This is one of those things that might FINALLY bring Linux in to the mainstream. I've about come to the conclusion that none of you deserve to have Delphi ported. It should probably stay a niche OS so people like you have something to complain about.
I'm very happy to hear this. I'll drop this info: I am a contracter for UPS. Recently, the department, which is _heavy_ Delphi has become VERY concerned about Borlands future. They are seriously targeting VB (this is going to hurt the Delphi community in Atlanta - it's one of the bigger Delphi shops here) While I didnt' attend the conference, apparently someone from the IS departement did, and came away quite concerned about Delphi's future (in Windows). Honestly, though, it's hard for me to keep pushing Delphi. Fingers keep getting pointed to the support MS provides to developers (hey, MSDN rocks) The Borland-Inprise-Borland switch didn't do much to help either. Sometimes I wonder why I keep supporting it - except that I love Delphi and nothing else STILL comes near it. (Certainly not VB or C++) I don't know if I can turn the tide here or not, but I will try.
*groan* I've been making a living in the programming world for well over 15 years. If you don't know how to make money in the software industry, then who is it that is misguided? _I_ didn't say Linux programmers were poor - the linux programmer I responded to did. I don't know any.
Who said commercial software? I do contract database work and I do very well. HOWEVER, commercial software is what makes an OS successful. It's not a question of open minds. I think we're talking about two different things. In any case, I hope your attitude isn't the norm for the linux programming markets. If it is, then I don't _want_ to get into it.
And this is why so many Linux programmers are poor. There's a very slim contract market. And this is going to go away until there are better coding tools. It's going to be rough to start off with, but it will pay off in the end. I make a lot of money coding in Windows. I'd love to do the same in Linux. Right now, no way I'm going near it. With Kylix, I may take a look at it. Not trying to say my opinion matters, but I imagine I'm pretty typical of a lot of Windows coders. And the more coders, the bigger the market - I steer most of my clients as far as software and OS that they use - and I have yet to have a compelling reason to use Linux.
It would be nice to have one.
let's keep Linux only usable by those few people with too much time on their hands.
It's this kind of attitude that has kept Linux in the closet. There are too many tech guys ( and I AM a tech guy) that want to keep their little piece of non-windows in a little shell. It's easier to bang on Windows that way.
Look, one of the big reasons I don't bother with Linux is because, AHA!, my clients have ZERO interest in it. Why? Too hard to maintain and NO APPS. That's right, NO APPS. And don't give me that 'oh it has a lot of apps' Compare to windows, it doesn't have CRAP. And THAT is what my clients see. We aren't talking about practical. We aren't even talking about rational. We are talking about the people that PAY THE BILLS. And I make a _lot_ of money coding in Windows.
And thanks for the underhanded insult to my Delphi coding ability. Believe it or not, Linux coders are not the only quality coders around (and some would say, given market share, they must not be too great) Catch a clue - Things like Kylix are the only chance Linux ever has of not just being a niche file server/web server OS.
So get off your high horse. Linux ain't all that great. And neither is Windows. If you guys keep SCREWING AROUND, Microsoft is going to run you over. And I would LIKE to see Linux take off. Apple manage to elite themselves into the ground - Linux is the next in line. And people with your attitude contribute to the problem.
As a long time delphi coder (D1) I have one concern: 'Windows' Delphi was practically non-existent at the last Borland conference. While I am ALL for a Linux version (and very excited) I am very concerned (read: my clients are very concerned) that Borland is bailing out of the Windows market (let's face, the market share is slowly eroding) Scary scary - VB still sucks.
I suspect 3DFX has a problem at the core of their chips that they are having a hard time working around. Why else would it take dual chips to even compe close to keeping up with a GeForce2? (and it doesn't but the latest reviews, though I suspect when the drivers get better it will be much closer)
Fact? I don't know about your machine, but mine flies with my GeForce at 32 bit color. And there is no doubt it looks better. I use to be a 'nah, I don't need 32 bit color' til I spent some time switching between them. A _lot_ of it depends on whether the game designers took the time to provide true 32 bit color maps.
So what is wrong is that it isn't even _close_ to a fact that performance is poor.
Incidentally, it also flew under my TNT & TNT2. Now I just use 1200x1024 instead of 1024x700.
To suggest not using them because of performance just means you need a new machine.
happened when they went proprietary. Basically: They got greedy. This allowed an opening for Nvidia to swoop in and snap up that market. The other stuff, like 32bit color (which _is_ better) and such just made it easier.
There is no IT shortage. There is a shortage of companies willing to pay for talent. If you don't see, you aren't looking. Contract companies LOVE H1B people - they can pay you a third what they pay me and you'll be happy about it - or you'll be afraid of being deported (I mean 'you' figuratively)
I am not saying ALL H1B visa people are undercutting U.S. jobs & wages. But 90% are.
VB is a joke. Real coders already know this. That's why there are some many people coding in it that don't know a thing about coding.
You employer was stupid to hire you IF he was going to allow you to become a major cog in his machine - You and he both knew you were a temp. And I'm quite willing to bet he's getting more of a deal on you than you realize. Otherwise, why use you - he'd be better off with a citizen. So, he gets no sympathy from me.
Whether you are a benfit or a burden isn't the point, now is it? You signed up for a temporary job. It's the chance you took. Personally, I'd rather you (H1B visa people) be citizens - then maybe my wages wouldnt' get undercut.
No one is as strict?
A LOT of other tech savy countries won't let you work AT ALL if you are a foreigner. They protect thier citizens. It's something the US has forgotten about thanks to big corporate money
Shortage in some areas, not so in others. That's part of being a big country. They can import all the McDonalds workers they want.
Ah yes, the immigration tale. That USED to be the case. Totally true. That's not the case anymore, at least not with the H1B visas. This is all about cheap labor. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Get real and stop looking for a 'hate law' problem (GRRRR)
What we don't want is a faked labor shortage used to get cheap labor for pimp contract companies.
What we don't want is someone who KNEW THE RULES when they signed up whining because they have to leave the country.
What we don't want is a law that is designed to drag down our wages.
Take your race BS and shove it. Good god racism is such a crutch.
Typical liberal BS. They came here on a temp visa. They knew it was a temp visa. It is TOTALLY irrelevant that they 'invested six years of their lives here'. That was their choice when they signed up. They could have stayed in their own countries.
I am SO tired of people not taking responsibility for their decisions. Are we now suggesting that because they decided to take advantage of an opportunity to work in the states using a temporary (fairly easy to obtain) visa they should now be citizens?
This whole IT shortage thing is mostly bogus anyway. What H1B visa people are is cheap labor for the pimp sweat-shops, like Anderson consulting. They don't pay these guys crap compare to US works. It's basically a legal form of using illegal aliens to work the fields. The difference is that they really is a shortage of people willing to do manual labor. The real shortage in the US is companies not willing to pay for talent, or rather the pimp head-hunter companies wanting a bigger cut (come on - is it REALLY 40%-60% of the value of a job to find it? Does your pimp drive a BMW? Doesn't that tell you something?)
It's really time we programmers get a union.
*sigh* Sorry for the trip - this particular item really irks me.
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The only advantage I see to makeing H1B permanent is maybe then you'll stop dragging down my wages. And don't give me that crap about an IT shortage, those of us in the business know fully well there isn't one. However, it would be totally unfair to place H1B visa people ahead of all the immigrant registrations, so that really isn't an option. Past that, I see no reason to allow everyone in the world to immigrate to the US. Most other countries, including the ones most H1B's come from, wouldn't dream of letting US citizens enter their country to steal jobs from the current citizens. This has nothting to to with xenophobia (which is an incorrect term in any case) They only reason they let H1Bs in is for cheap labor. So save the FUD on SS.
Funny, the reason I refuse to support 3DFX is principle. I cannot condone a company that builds itself up as non-proprietary and then switches to a proprietary card. No way.
Acutally, recent review don't show the gap closing from the V5 to the GeForce 2 even under FSAA until you get to like 1600x1200. Even then it only matches it. Pretty much everywhere else is lower or MUCH lower.
I can certainly see where it would rub you wrong - I have had the same thing happen to me from some of the posts on this thread (bascially insulting windows programmers *grin*). All I can say is I am _sure_ the windows programming market is larger and pays better. And that is precisely because more people use it. And that is because there is more software readily available (and easy to use & install). I really want to see Linux take off. My biggest fear right now is that Linux may have waited to long to get in the game. There is one thing that Micrsoft does right - and that's learn from past mistakes. They WILL revision a piece of software until it surpasses most items on the market. This has happened time and time again. And that's what they are trying to do now with NT. Win 2000 (and I HATE Microsoft) is pretty cool. Installs easy. Runs easy. Have had little or no problems with it. I really think (IF it works) that Delphi coming to Linux can be a very strong positive for it. It scares me even more to see the attutiude of MANY of the posts on this thread. My buddy said to me it reminded him of the attutude a lot of OS/2 coders had. It's like many of them seem to enjoy that Linux is a niche OS and would rather it not go into the mainstream. Some kind of martyr syndrome or something. I guess if your mainstream you can't take as many pot shots as Windows. I dunno.
Interesting - I found the Delphi IDE to be easier and more straight forward than VBs. Of course, I looked at VB6 AFTER I had been doing Delphi since D1. Could it be it's just not what you are use to? If you're coming from a VB background, no offense intended, but that's probably the problem. As far as converting ASP to Delphi, that was probably pointless from the start. While Delphi has Web tools, I'd either leave it in ASP or use Cold Fusion and extend it with Delphi. THere is little doubt Delphi is a more efficent language IF you can past the learning curve, which is still a LOT less steep than say C++ (or that C# crap) Is it as easy as VB? Nope. But there is a price for ease.
I hear ya! I just have to convince the people around here of that.
*grin* Yeah, bad code is caused by the language....I always thought it was VB AND VB Coders that sucked.
Borland is working to bring probably the best programming language around to you guys, and all you can do is whine about crappy software that's going to get written. AT LEAST some software might FINALLY get written! Good GOD man, are you OUT OF YOUR MIND!?! This is one of those things that might FINALLY bring Linux in to the mainstream. I've about come to the conclusion that none of you deserve to have Delphi ported. It should probably stay a niche OS so people like you have something to complain about.
I'm very happy to hear this. I'll drop this info: I am a contracter for UPS. Recently, the department, which is _heavy_ Delphi has become VERY concerned about Borlands future. They are seriously targeting VB (this is going to hurt the Delphi community in Atlanta - it's one of the bigger Delphi shops here) While I didnt' attend the conference, apparently someone from the IS departement did, and came away quite concerned about Delphi's future (in Windows). Honestly, though, it's hard for me to keep pushing Delphi. Fingers keep getting pointed to the support MS provides to developers (hey, MSDN rocks) The Borland-Inprise-Borland switch didn't do much to help either. Sometimes I wonder why I keep supporting it - except that I love Delphi and nothing else STILL comes near it. (Certainly not VB or C++) I don't know if I can turn the tide here or not, but I will try.
*groan* I've been making a living in the programming world for well over 15 years. If you don't know how to make money in the software industry, then who is it that is misguided? _I_ didn't say Linux programmers were poor - the linux programmer I responded to did. I don't know any. Who said commercial software? I do contract database work and I do very well. HOWEVER, commercial software is what makes an OS successful. It's not a question of open minds. I think we're talking about two different things. In any case, I hope your attitude isn't the norm for the linux programming markets. If it is, then I don't _want_ to get into it.
Well put.
And this is why so many Linux programmers are poor. There's a very slim contract market. And this is going to go away until there are better coding tools. It's going to be rough to start off with, but it will pay off in the end. I make a lot of money coding in Windows. I'd love to do the same in Linux. Right now, no way I'm going near it. With Kylix, I may take a look at it. Not trying to say my opinion matters, but I imagine I'm pretty typical of a lot of Windows coders. And the more coders, the bigger the market - I steer most of my clients as far as software and OS that they use - and I have yet to have a compelling reason to use Linux. It would be nice to have one.
let's keep Linux only usable by those few people with too much time on their hands. It's this kind of attitude that has kept Linux in the closet. There are too many tech guys ( and I AM a tech guy) that want to keep their little piece of non-windows in a little shell. It's easier to bang on Windows that way. Look, one of the big reasons I don't bother with Linux is because, AHA!, my clients have ZERO interest in it. Why? Too hard to maintain and NO APPS. That's right, NO APPS. And don't give me that 'oh it has a lot of apps' Compare to windows, it doesn't have CRAP. And THAT is what my clients see. We aren't talking about practical. We aren't even talking about rational. We are talking about the people that PAY THE BILLS. And I make a _lot_ of money coding in Windows. And thanks for the underhanded insult to my Delphi coding ability. Believe it or not, Linux coders are not the only quality coders around (and some would say, given market share, they must not be too great) Catch a clue - Things like Kylix are the only chance Linux ever has of not just being a niche file server/web server OS. So get off your high horse. Linux ain't all that great. And neither is Windows. If you guys keep SCREWING AROUND, Microsoft is going to run you over. And I would LIKE to see Linux take off. Apple manage to elite themselves into the ground - Linux is the next in line. And people with your attitude contribute to the problem.
As a long time delphi coder (D1) I have one concern: 'Windows' Delphi was practically non-existent at the last Borland conference. While I am ALL for a Linux version (and very excited) I am very concerned (read: my clients are very concerned) that Borland is bailing out of the Windows market (let's face, the market share is slowly eroding) Scary scary - VB still sucks.
Should also mention that the V5 needs it's own powersupply (what a pain)
I suspect 3DFX has a problem at the core of their chips that they are having a hard time working around. Why else would it take dual chips to even compe close to keeping up with a GeForce2? (and it doesn't but the latest reviews, though I suspect when the drivers get better it will be much closer)
Fact? I don't know about your machine, but mine flies with my GeForce at 32 bit color. And there is no doubt it looks better. I use to be a 'nah, I don't need 32 bit color' til I spent some time switching between them. A _lot_ of it depends on whether the game designers took the time to provide true 32 bit color maps. So what is wrong is that it isn't even _close_ to a fact that performance is poor. Incidentally, it also flew under my TNT & TNT2. Now I just use 1200x1024 instead of 1024x700. To suggest not using them because of performance just means you need a new machine.
happened when they went proprietary. Basically: They got greedy. This allowed an opening for Nvidia to swoop in and snap up that market. The other stuff, like 32bit color (which _is_ better) and such just made it easier.
considering 3DFX is seeing how many chips they can plug onto a board, I'd say _they_ are the ones trying to use raw power/speed to achieve goals.
There is no IT shortage. There is a shortage of companies willing to pay for talent. If you don't see, you aren't looking. Contract companies LOVE H1B people - they can pay you a third what they pay me and you'll be happy about it - or you'll be afraid of being deported (I mean 'you' figuratively) I am not saying ALL H1B visa people are undercutting U.S. jobs & wages. But 90% are. VB is a joke. Real coders already know this. That's why there are some many people coding in it that don't know a thing about coding. You employer was stupid to hire you IF he was going to allow you to become a major cog in his machine - You and he both knew you were a temp. And I'm quite willing to bet he's getting more of a deal on you than you realize. Otherwise, why use you - he'd be better off with a citizen. So, he gets no sympathy from me. Whether you are a benfit or a burden isn't the point, now is it? You signed up for a temporary job. It's the chance you took. Personally, I'd rather you (H1B visa people) be citizens - then maybe my wages wouldnt' get undercut.
it was an obnoxious post, but the direction is quite correct. The US does NOT owe H1B visa people anything.
No one is as strict? A LOT of other tech savy countries won't let you work AT ALL if you are a foreigner. They protect thier citizens. It's something the US has forgotten about thanks to big corporate money
Shortage in some areas, not so in others. That's part of being a big country. They can import all the McDonalds workers they want. Ah yes, the immigration tale. That USED to be the case. Totally true. That's not the case anymore, at least not with the H1B visas. This is all about cheap labor. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Get real and stop looking for a 'hate law' problem (GRRRR) What we don't want is a faked labor shortage used to get cheap labor for pimp contract companies. What we don't want is someone who KNEW THE RULES when they signed up whining because they have to leave the country. What we don't want is a law that is designed to drag down our wages. Take your race BS and shove it. Good god racism is such a crutch.
Typical liberal BS. They came here on a temp visa. They knew it was a temp visa. It is TOTALLY irrelevant that they 'invested six years of their lives here'. That was their choice when they signed up. They could have stayed in their own countries. I am SO tired of people not taking responsibility for their decisions. Are we now suggesting that because they decided to take advantage of an opportunity to work in the states using a temporary (fairly easy to obtain) visa they should now be citizens? This whole IT shortage thing is mostly bogus anyway. What H1B visa people are is cheap labor for the pimp sweat-shops, like Anderson consulting. They don't pay these guys crap compare to US works. It's basically a legal form of using illegal aliens to work the fields. The difference is that they really is a shortage of people willing to do manual labor. The real shortage in the US is companies not willing to pay for talent, or rather the pimp head-hunter companies wanting a bigger cut (come on - is it REALLY 40%-60% of the value of a job to find it? Does your pimp drive a BMW? Doesn't that tell you something?) It's really time we programmers get a union. *sigh* Sorry for the trip - this particular item really irks me. GameGuy