And why is this news? Why would anyone want to buy a dedicated device for this purpose? Especially if you already have a desktop PC. Even the most novice user can setup Internet connection sharing on Windows XP. Toss a Wireless USB card on the desktop, turn on Ad-hoc and voila! You can use your laptop wirelessly over dialup. Of course this can be down with linux as well.
It might make it easier for average users to infect themselves, BUT they won't spread it.
They wont? What if its a SMTP worm? Non- root users cant use Sendmail? A simple BASH script or Perl script could send copies of a virus to thousands of people.
As I trudged through this article on the Register, I am thinking to myself, does this guy even have any valid points here? After reading the article, I dont see how he refutes the idea that if Linux was on as many desktops as Windows, that it wouldnt have the same problems.
I personally dont use OE and prefer Linux over Windows, but the points he made in this article are well.....pointless.
I use Slashdot headlines too, but the script I use prevented my page from coming up because it was on an endless search trying to reach/.
Need a new script I guess.....
I own a small ISP, and my guess is your version of the conversation is actually closer to what happened. Yes, some help desk people are clueless dumb asses, but the number pales in comparison to the number of lame help desk calls.
I agree 100 percent (and apparently many other peeps did too since it was modded to 5) You people that say its ok to port scan....do you even have a server? If so, post the IP here so I can port scan your servers for you, I might find a security breach.
If I go around my own house and check all my doors and windows to make sure they are locked, then thats my right (my house, my right) If I take it upon myself to do this for my entire neighborhood, I am way out of line. Dont agree...? Try it in your neighborhood. See what happens.
Umm...not all ISPs are big corporations people. I own a small ISP and my/etc/mail/access is FULL of IP addresses that we block because of SPAM. Its very,very difficult to stop all of it just because of the sheer volume. DNS Blacklists arent a very good option as we well know because the groups not only add SPAMMERS, but also arbitrarily add people they dont like to the blacklist. (ORBS vs MAPS...remember) Saying that holding the ISPs responsible is absurd. Its like that recently made (screwed up) law, the DMCA..that everyone loves to hate. Maybe we should try to come up with a Collective solution to the problem instead of laying back and pointing fingers.......
I cant believe you didnt use the word "gay" in your analogy and how it evolved from happy to meaning homosexual.
From webopedia.com--Broadband A type of data transmission in which a single medium (wire) can carry several channels at once. Cable TV, for example, uses broadband transmission. In contrast, baseband transmission allows only one signal at a time.
Most communications between computers, including the majority of local-area networks, use baseband communications. An exception is B-ISDN networks, which employ broadband transmission.
While I too find it irritating that most helpdesk's try to blame the customer, it is in fact MANY, MANY, MANY times a customers problem. (Or a Windows flub-up) I too despise this sort of crap, but if you don't like @Home (or whoever), then quit the service. The "they are the only choice" argument is invalid. Whats more important...broadband access (albeit with poor customer support) or what you believe in as a person? Dont like it...dont use it.
Hell, I have been trying to get some Voodoo3 drivers all weekend from 3Dfx's Linux Site all weekend. Its been down. (its usual state I might add) So what good are linux drivers if you can't get to them?
Almost every fantasy adventure game I can think of is (in some way) based on the original AD&D rules by TSR hobbies (Now Wizards of the Coast I believe) Some of these game publishers are making BIG bucks from someone elses idea. Should they be sued as well?
If you install the new Aibo-ware from Sony,and it installs a personal firewall that blocks you from accessing Napster, well boys and girls, that's illegal. That's antitrust right there -- products cannot be designed so they make a competitor's product cease to function.
It seems to me, if the little click thru license agreement says "By installing this software, you agree to let Sony firewall your PC" and you install the software, there isnt a damn thing you can do to Sony.
So,even if you HAD closed your blind and caught someone on your property trying to peer in your bedroom window, because the blinds were drawn, that would be OK? Or would you still chase him off and/or call the police?? An uninvited guest has no business on your property even if you have it locked down tighter than Fort Knox. Right or wrong?
Cronack,
I have to disagree with you there. If you want to know if your allowed to look into someones Port 80 window, fire up Netscape and type in the url or IP. If you REALLY MUST know anything about someone's network, email the admin, if he has services he wants you to know about, he will tell you.
I think port scanning is more like going into an Autoshop and nosing around to see what equipment they have there, and then making a best guess as to what services they offer instead of asking. Asking gives the owner the OPTION of telling you what he thinks you should know.
What if you walk into the shop and open the chief mechanics toolbox, to see whats in it?? You think he would mind?? My dad is a mechanic, he doesnt even like ME to look in his toolbox. Is he hiding something...no. Its his property and if he wants me in it, he will tell me its OK.
Regards
Slashdot Mirror
And why is this news? Why would anyone want to buy a dedicated device for this purpose? Especially if you already have a desktop PC. Even the most novice user can setup Internet connection sharing on Windows XP. Toss a Wireless USB card on the desktop, turn on Ad-hoc and voila! You can use your laptop wirelessly over dialup. Of course this can be down with linux as well.
It might make it easier for average users to infect themselves, BUT they won't spread it.
They wont? What if its a SMTP worm? Non- root users cant use Sendmail? A simple BASH script or Perl script could send copies of a virus to thousands of people.
I personally dont use OE and prefer Linux over Windows, but the points he made in this article are well.....pointless.
Its not just you. :)
Also, refresh my memory...where did the Internet start?
I use Slashdot headlines too, but the script I use prevented my page from coming up because it was on an endless search trying to reach /.
Need a new script I guess.....
I own a small ISP, and my guess is your version of the conversation is actually closer to what happened. Yes, some help desk people are clueless dumb asses, but the number pales in comparison to the number of lame help desk calls.
Wow! Someone actually sounds like they know what they are talking about....you da man!
If I go around my own house and check all my doors and windows to make sure they are locked, then thats my right (my house, my right) If I take it upon myself to do this for my entire neighborhood, I am way out of line. Dont agree...? Try it in your neighborhood. See what happens.
My name is Steve Ballmer, you killed my software...prepare to die!
No No.....thats Fessick Vizzini is the little bald guy....Inconceivable!
OK...my bad....I am sure he did not get his Karma up by posting dumb comments like the above one though.
Why is this a 2? You dont even need a damn domain to send SPAM!!! Jesus people
Umm...not all ISPs are big corporations people. I own a small ISP and my /etc/mail/access is FULL of IP addresses that we block because of SPAM. Its very,very difficult to stop all of it just because of the sheer volume. DNS Blacklists arent a very good option as we well know because the groups not only add SPAMMERS, but also arbitrarily add people they dont like to the blacklist. (ORBS vs MAPS...remember) Saying that holding the ISPs responsible is absurd. Its like that recently made (screwed up) law, the DMCA..that everyone loves to hate. Maybe we should try to come up with a Collective solution to the problem instead of laying back and pointing fingers.......
Technically, its notta modem...its a multiplexor.
From webopedia.com-- Broadband A type of data transmission in which a single medium (wire) can carry several channels at once. Cable TV, for example, uses broadband transmission. In contrast, baseband transmission allows only one signal at a time. Most communications between computers, including the majority of local-area networks, use baseband communications. An exception is B-ISDN networks, which employ broadband transmission.
Man you guys nailed it here. I run a small ISP and have the unfavorable job of answering help desk calls in the evening......
While I too find it irritating that most helpdesk's try to blame the customer, it is in fact MANY, MANY, MANY times a customers problem. (Or a Windows flub-up) I too despise this sort of crap, but if you don't like @Home (or whoever), then quit the service. The "they are the only choice" argument is invalid. Whats more important...broadband access (albeit with poor customer support) or what you believe in as a person? Dont like it...dont use it.
Hell, I have been trying to get some Voodoo3 drivers all weekend from 3Dfx's Linux Site all weekend. Its been down. (its usual state I might add) So what good are linux drivers if you can't get to them?
Almost every fantasy adventure game I can think of is (in some way) based on the original AD&D rules by TSR hobbies (Now Wizards of the Coast I believe) Some of these game publishers are making BIG bucks from someone elses idea. Should they be sued as well?
Don't get me wrong.....this post was by no means Pro-Sony......just a comment.
It seems to me, if the little click thru license agreement says "By installing this software, you agree to let Sony firewall your PC" and you install the software, there isnt a damn thing you can do to Sony.
Couldn't have said it better myself......glad to see a similar point of view. :)
So,even if you HAD closed your blind and caught someone on your property trying to peer in your bedroom window, because the blinds were drawn, that would be OK? Or would you still chase him off and/or call the police?? An uninvited guest has no business on your property even if you have it locked down tighter than Fort Knox. Right or wrong?
I think port scanning is more like going into an Autoshop and nosing around to see what equipment they have there, and then making a best guess as to what services they offer instead of asking. Asking gives the owner the OPTION of telling you what he thinks you should know.
What if you walk into the shop and open the chief mechanics toolbox, to see whats in it?? You think he would mind?? My dad is a mechanic, he doesnt even like ME to look in his toolbox. Is he hiding something...no. Its his property and if he wants me in it, he will tell me its OK. Regards