Why is is that everybody things Java would be so incredibly forked to hell, when other products are not at all? We don't have UltraPerl, DestilledRuby, ExpressoMono. The free Java projects currently in progress are actually completely anal about standards compliance and compatibility.
The only reason Sun Java would be forked would be if the majority of users were dissatisfied with the way Sun handled the project. This happened to XFree86, and we got the great X.org in return. If Sun takes their role as project leaders seriously, there are simply no room for major forks. (Sure we would see minor forks for strange niche uses like in research, but there's no harm in that)
I think this forking paranoia is Sun's poor excuse for keeping Java unfree, and it is sad to see so many buying into it without reflection.
Copying for private use neither a criminal nor a civil offense in Germany, as long as the source is not an evidently illegal one (ie a movie before its released on DVD - or filesharing).
How does that criminalise file sharing? If I make a copy of a DVD I bought legally, that copy is a legal copy. The transitive property applies, and file sharing becomes legal.
What the attorny said was that "they expect to find all kinds of material, ranging from music to child pornography".
Of course they have to invoke "child pornography" to stem mass protests over the raids.
Compile it. For the love of God and all that is holy, Ruby is at least as slow as JavaScript, if not slower -- at least you can compile JavaScript into Java!
Alright, but APART from the roads and highways, the inflation kept in check, the safe airports, stable electrical power, emergency services, and the water and sewage systems, what has the government ever done for US?
Which part of Red Hat's offering is not "pure OSS"?
Open sourcing Java would at the least allow Linux vendors to distribute and integrate it into their distributions, which would be a great boon. Sun could still make "Sun Java" even under open source, and have every bit as much control over "Sun Java" as they have today. As a bonus they could accept independant patches (though they wouldn't be forced to). Most people would still want "Sun Java" and not "Billy's Homebrew Java" (which wouldn't even exist anyway; I don't know why everybody seems to think open source leads to forking hell).
So many of the essential Java tools and libraries are already open source (and not forked to hell). Sun is making a mistake by keeping Java proprietary.
I might be mistaken here, but isn't "open sourcing Java" meaningless? Java is an open standard already.
Since when is open source and open standards the same? And does the JSR constitute an open standards body? (Yes, to some degree, but it's not perfect)
Sun should liberate the "hard" parts. We already have good compilers and mostly good JVMs; what we need is the class libraries, and to a smaller extent the tools. Come on, Sun.
The problem with an open source compiler is there will be multple versions of the compiler, and some of them will be poorly rewriten. So, where my code may work on my compiler, I cannot be assured that it will work using everyone elses compiler.
Yeah, like that GCC garbage. You never know what you get, it's a web of incompatibilities!
I don't believe there is any evidence to this day that "they" burnt down the Reichstag. Just because it happened to be very convenient for them, doesn't mean they did it. Analogously, 9/11 was very convenient for the neo-cons...:-)
And if being a Linux user comes with a requirement to be an activist for getting more users through spending countless hours helping the helpless, I'm not sure that will help Linux a lot either.
Because if you think fucking kids is ok, then we can't exactly trust anything else you feel the need to say.
Being a pedophile does not mean "you think fucking kids is ok". It's just an orientation and doesn't imply any attitudes, opinions, actions, agenda, or conspiracy. You are crazy if you think anyone chooses their orientation; especially such a universally hated one. You discover it and try to live with it as best you can. If you think you can't trust anything some person says if he happens to have a certain sexual orientation, well I got a label for you, pal: an ugly little word called "prejudice".
In this case, anyone who self-identifies as a pedophile was asked not to edit the article (regardless of whether they followed style and guidelines, which they did), and one was even permanently blocked since he didn't obey. This is just one example of the horrible emerging "anything Jimbo says at any point automatically becomes Wikipedia policy". The rules change and become fluid, so it becomes hard to know if you follow them or not.
It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us?
Hear, hear. Some of us lost moderation privileges in a dumb moderation war four years ago. We get the point now; we're sorry we moderated that comment, and we promise not to do it again. We've had four years to think our faults through. We're loyal and value-producing slashdot members. Can we be treated like that again, please?
I believe the GP meant "release the source" as in set it free. That's different from making it available to look at but not touch and not redistribute. Mustang is certainly not free (as in free) or open source.
Red Hat is investing rather hugely into free java, employing several of the key developers of GNU Classpath and related technologies, as I understand it. So I wouldn't worry about that.
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That's right, but as a member of the EEA, Norway has to bend over and silently accept being pounded in the ass by the bloated Eurocrats.
Why is is that everybody things Java would be so incredibly forked to hell, when other products are not at all? We don't have UltraPerl, DestilledRuby, ExpressoMono. The free Java projects currently in progress are actually completely anal about standards compliance and compatibility.
The only reason Sun Java would be forked would be if the majority of users were dissatisfied with the way Sun handled the project. This happened to XFree86, and we got the great X.org in return. If Sun takes their role as project leaders seriously, there are simply no room for major forks. (Sure we would see minor forks for strange niche uses like in research, but there's no harm in that)
I think this forking paranoia is Sun's poor excuse for keeping Java unfree, and it is sad to see so many buying into it without reflection.
Copying for private use neither a criminal nor a civil offense in Germany, as long as the source is not an evidently illegal one (ie a movie before its released on DVD - or filesharing).
How does that criminalise file sharing? If I make a copy of a DVD I bought legally, that copy is a legal copy. The transitive property applies, and file sharing becomes legal.
What the attorny said was that "they expect to find all kinds of material, ranging from music to child pornography".
Of course they have to invoke "child pornography" to stem mass protests over the raids.
You should never trust closed-source and purposefully undocumented crypto, and not be surprised when it gets cracked.
Yes, but the runtime environment is much harder to do, and free implementations still lag behind.
Compile it. For the love of God and all that is holy, Ruby is at least as slow as JavaScript, if not slower -- at least you can compile JavaScript into Java!
How?
Let's keep the debate within the confines of reality. There are no such things as snuff films.
Alright, but APART from the roads and highways, the inflation kept in check, the safe airports, stable electrical power, emergency services, and the water and sewage systems, what has the government ever done for US?
I'm not aware of any forks of NetBeans. Can you point me to one, and explain how Sun's NetBeans product has suffered for it?
Freenet 0.7 (still in alpha) works on the free Java alternatives, though.
Which part of Red Hat's offering is not "pure OSS"?
Open sourcing Java would at the least allow Linux vendors to distribute and integrate it into their distributions, which would be a great boon. Sun could still make "Sun Java" even under open source, and have every bit as much control over "Sun Java" as they have today. As a bonus they could accept independant patches (though they wouldn't be forced to). Most people would still want "Sun Java" and not "Billy's Homebrew Java" (which wouldn't even exist anyway; I don't know why everybody seems to think open source leads to forking hell).
So many of the essential Java tools and libraries are already open source (and not forked to hell). Sun is making a mistake by keeping Java proprietary.
I might be mistaken here, but isn't "open sourcing Java" meaningless?
Java is an open standard already.
Since when is open source and open standards the same? And does the JSR constitute an open standards body? (Yes, to some degree, but it's not perfect)
Sun should liberate the "hard" parts. We already have good compilers and mostly good JVMs; what we need is the class libraries, and to a smaller extent the tools. Come on, Sun.
If you want "constant references", write immutable classes; that's what they're for.
The problem with an open source compiler is there will be multple versions of the compiler, and some of them will be poorly rewriten. So, where my code may work on my compiler, I cannot be assured that it will work using everyone elses compiler.
Yeah, like that GCC garbage. You never know what you get, it's a web of incompatibilities!
I don't believe there is any evidence to this day that "they" burnt down the Reichstag. Just because it happened to be very convenient for them, doesn't mean they did it. Analogously, 9/11 was very convenient for the neo-cons ... :-)
This is Slashdot, not digg. We don't take kindly to story titles with exclamation marks in them around here.
Kill a man, you get 20 years in jail. 'Steal' 20 bucks worth of software, you get 10.
And if you do it again after you get out, you get 20 new years.
Tell me again how the U.S. is not a fascist regime?
Whats next? podcastosphere?
The proper word is "podosphere" (56 300 google hits).
And if being a Linux user comes with a requirement to be an activist for getting more users through spending countless hours helping the helpless, I'm not sure that will help Linux a lot either.
I don't think their goal is to get rid of Microsoft, per say.
But if they did, oh well, say la vee.
Because if you think fucking kids is ok, then we can't exactly trust anything else you feel the need to say.
Being a pedophile does not mean "you think fucking kids is ok". It's just an orientation and doesn't imply any attitudes, opinions, actions, agenda, or conspiracy. You are crazy if you think anyone chooses their orientation; especially such a universally hated one. You discover it and try to live with it as best you can. If you think you can't trust anything some person says if he happens to have a certain sexual orientation, well I got a label for you, pal: an ugly little word called "prejudice".
In this case, anyone who self-identifies as a pedophile was asked not to edit the article (regardless of whether they followed style and guidelines, which they did), and one was even permanently blocked since he didn't obey. This is just one example of the horrible emerging "anything Jimbo says at any point automatically becomes Wikipedia policy". The rules change and become fluid, so it becomes hard to know if you follow them or not.
Ob. Bender: Thanks a lot, Takei, now everybody knows!
It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us?
Hear, hear. Some of us lost moderation privileges in a dumb moderation war four years ago. We get the point now; we're sorry we moderated that comment, and we promise not to do it again. We've had four years to think our faults through. We're loyal and value-producing slashdot members. Can we be treated like that again, please?
I believe the GP meant "release the source" as in set it free. That's different from making it available to look at but not touch and not redistribute. Mustang is certainly not free (as in free) or open source.
Red Hat is investing rather hugely into free java, employing several of the key developers of GNU Classpath and related technologies, as I understand it. So I wouldn't worry about that.