Someone tricked you. The ALU's aren't running at twice the clock speed of the rest of the p4. They actually do something different, involving 'double pumping', but not 'double clocking'.
It's sort of like DDR SDRAM. It doesn't ACTUALLY run at 266mhz, or something weird. Sorry I can't explain it better.
Difficult to objectively compare the processors? You're just an intel whore talking out his ass!
In order to compare the processors objectively, all you need is to run the processors on testbeds as close to one another as possible, and when you can't have a certain piece of hardware crossover (i.e. motherboard), you insert the best piece of hardware available for that platform.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but running a Celeron on a DDR system doesn't give it any benefit. Wonder why? It's max speed for it's front side bus is 133mhz SDR. Don't whine about non-objective reviews if they ran each CPU on the best test-bed they could.
I'm sacrificing my ability to mod on this thread to reply to you, so I hope you're happy. You are doing a great misdeed to discount the importance of cache so greatly.
Duron: L1 Cache: 128kbytes L2 Cache: 64kbytes
Athlon: L1 Cache: 128kbytes L2 Cache: 256kbytes
A difference in cache sizes of this magnitude will ensure (insure?) the Athlon a victory if it is running at a clock speed the same as a Duron. Don't just assume that they're both as fast as one another simply based on bus speed.
My GOD, do you know ANYTHING about overclocking? If so, why are you afraid of it? You seem to have taken the attitude of so many 'wannabe 1337s' that "overclocking doesn't give you any appreciable speed benefit, shortens the life of your CPU, and is very difficult".
That attitude is WRONG.
Overclocking can be as simple as flipping a jumper on your motherboard (Jumper? Motherboard? I've never heard of those!!!) and changing ONE setting in your BIOS. In my case, this yielded me a 33% speed increase of my processor, took me about 5 minutes, and was easier than figuring out how to install Linux for the first time.
It's amazing that so many of the people here who can hack around with nothing more than a command line and mock know nothing windows users are so ignorant and fearful of something as simple as overclocking.
I consider myself a responsible DSL user, and I can easily chew through over 150 mbytes a day. I think many other broadband users will agree with me on this fact as well.
And another thing: try and make your trolling just a *tad* less obvious.
You're treating this as if I'm a troll. After rereading my post, it probably sounds like one. I didn't intend to just make a bunch of stupid unsubstantiated claims, and I'm sorry.
However, I believe it's impossible to simply claim that the provider is losing money just because I get good service.
You're making claims as unsubstantiated as my initial ones.
It's posts like this idiotic one that get modded up, that make me want to take back all of those other mod points I used positively, and mod this down to 0.
Sure, don't feed the trolls, but this stands the chance of being an honest question.;)
What microsoft stands to lose is CONTROL OVER WEB STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS. If microsoft controls >90% of the browser market, they can implement a proprietary tag/command/scripting language that is incredibly difficult/illegal for other browser developers to implement. When the other browser's can't implement it, and all of the new, most frequently visited web sites adapt to microsoft's new "standard" MS just points to the other browsers and says "incompatible. inferior."
Remember, if you're going to take over the world, you start with your town, and finish with the biggest nations. Microsoft's going to try and take over the internet by starting with IE, and finishing up with.NET. ---
They might break when the 60% or so of america that is over-weight sits on the things. No, our stomachs make much more inviting hosts. Why, they can just stick the things into our umbilical cords at birth! ---
There is already a plethora of sites available in the.free TLD provided by freeweb! Granted, it's as slow as serving complex ASP pages on a 386, but it gets me all the free porn I want!;) ---
Heh. Now that you mention it, I could've given a better analogy. That's what happens when you've had a rough day, and you see a story on slashdot basically saying "Why bother to try to stop people from cheating?". I'm just proud I managed to pound out a coherent thought:)
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Someone tricked you. The ALU's aren't running at twice the clock speed of the rest of the p4. They actually do something different, involving 'double pumping', but not 'double clocking'.
It's sort of like DDR SDRAM. It doesn't ACTUALLY run at 266mhz, or something weird. Sorry I can't explain it better.
"Add (whatever) for RAM... it's SOOO cheap now. I just dug up 256mb from my closet full-o-parts. You can get that for about $30 from crucial"
Checked the crucial website recently? 256 megs of pc2100 is up to ~72$. Check Here
I think the XP technology in it just means it's extra easy to break the darn things. Ever shattered an AMD cpu putting on a heatsink? It's not pretty.
Difficult to objectively compare the processors? You're just an intel whore talking out his ass!
In order to compare the processors objectively, all you need is to run the processors on testbeds as close to one another as possible, and when you can't have a certain piece of hardware crossover (i.e. motherboard), you insert the best piece of hardware available for that platform.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but running a Celeron on a DDR system doesn't give it any benefit. Wonder why? It's max speed for it's front side bus is 133mhz SDR.
Don't whine about non-objective reviews if they ran each CPU on the best test-bed they could.
"(save for the cache)"
I'm sacrificing my ability to mod on this thread to reply to you, so I hope you're happy. You are doing a great misdeed to discount the importance of cache so greatly.
Duron: L1 Cache: 128kbytes L2 Cache: 64kbytes
Athlon: L1 Cache: 128kbytes L2 Cache: 256kbytes
A difference in cache sizes of this magnitude will ensure (insure?) the Athlon a victory if it is running at a clock speed the same as a Duron. Don't just assume that they're both as fast as one another simply based on bus speed.
My GOD, do you know ANYTHING about overclocking? If so, why are you afraid of it? You seem to have taken the attitude of so many 'wannabe 1337s' that "overclocking doesn't give you any appreciable speed benefit, shortens the life of your CPU, and is very difficult".
That attitude is WRONG.
Overclocking can be as simple as flipping a jumper on your motherboard (Jumper? Motherboard? I've never heard of those!!!) and changing ONE setting in your BIOS. In my case, this yielded me a 33% speed increase of my processor, took me about 5 minutes, and was easier than figuring out how to install Linux for the first time.
It's amazing that so many of the people here who can hack around with nothing more than a command line and mock know nothing windows users are so ignorant and fearful of something as simple as overclocking.
Of course, it also might just be a lame attempt at karma whoring!
I consider myself a responsible DSL user, and I can easily chew through over 150 mbytes a day. I think many other broadband users will agree with me on this fact as well.
And another thing: try and make your trolling just a *tad* less obvious.
Generally, it's impossible to make a sentence out of a subject and indirect object. Try adding a direct object, slashdot.
Tomshardware had this article up more than a month ago...
/.s getting ridiculous!
I've heard of the print media being slow to break stories, but
I'm curious, do they actually use DOS for many routers' OS?
You'd think they'd use some highly specialized (i.e. fast/efficient) OS for it.
This has already been debunked as a rumor!
:)
Way to go slashdot....
http://www.theinquirer.net/19100103.htm - There's your linkified proof.
Except that the sis 735 doesn't support multiple CPUs.
You have 2 choices: 2 CPUs on an AMD 760MP chipset, or 1 CPU on any other sort of chipset.
You're treating this as if I'm a troll. After rereading my post, it probably sounds like one. I didn't intend to just make a bunch of stupid unsubstantiated claims, and I'm sorry.
However, I believe it's impossible to simply claim that the provider is losing money just because I get good service.
You're making claims as unsubstantiated as my initial ones.
I would like to say that this man is an idiot.
I am a residential customer of Bellsouth Fastaccess DSL, I pay 45$ a month for 1.5 mbits down, and 256 kbits up.
I have yet to have any service outages, and while the service is PPPoE based, it still works wonderfully reliably.
My friend just signed up recently, and there's no reason to suspect his experience will be different.
Just check dslreports.com, and notice how almost every entry on Bellsouth is a "smooth ride", or at least, acceptable.
Broadband is far from dead.
Until the porn industry finds a way to exploit this.
I wonder how many "all your tech support is belong to us!" posts we're gonna see here...
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It's posts like this idiotic one that get modded up, that make me want to take back all of those other mod points I used positively, and mod this down to 0.
I h8 trolls.
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Exactly.
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Sure, don't feed the trolls, but this stands the chance of being an honest question. ;)
.NET.
What microsoft stands to lose is CONTROL OVER WEB STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS. If microsoft controls >90% of the browser market, they can implement a proprietary tag/command/scripting language that is incredibly difficult/illegal for other browser developers to implement. When the other browser's can't implement it, and all of the new, most frequently visited web sites adapt to microsoft's new "standard" MS just points to the other browsers and says "incompatible. inferior."
Remember, if you're going to take over the world, you start with your town, and finish with the biggest nations. Microsoft's going to try and take over the internet by starting with IE, and finishing up with
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They might break when the 60% or so of america that is over-weight sits on the things. No, our stomachs make much more inviting hosts. Why, they can just stick the things into our umbilical cords at birth!
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There is already a plethora of sites available in the .free TLD provided by freeweb! Granted, it's as slow as serving complex ASP pages on a 386, but it gets me all the free porn I want! ;)
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*grin*
:)
Exactly. I'd mod you up if I could dude.
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Heh. Now that you mention it, I could've given a better analogy. That's what happens when you've had a rough day, and you see a story on slashdot basically saying "Why bother to try to stop people from cheating?". I'm just proud I managed to pound out a coherent thought :)
:P
I'd love to hear your choice of analogy.
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Ok, let me see if I get CmdrTaco's logic. People are going to cheat, so we should give them the tools to do so.
People are going to steal things as well. Does that mean we should leave bank vaults open?
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