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AT&T Broadband To Merge With Comcast Cable

quualudes was one of the many people to submit the AT&T Broadband/Comcast merger. CNNfn has more of the story as well. 72$ billion is the cost. Wow. I wonder how this affects @Home. One alert reader also submitted the news that Comcast will evidently by launching a video gaming channel - more information will be coming in February 2002.

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  1. Eh? Spelling? by webword · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Brought or Bought?

  2. press release by cha0sadddddddd · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.att.com/press/item/0,1354,4135,00.html

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    1. Re:press release by cha0sadddddddd · · Score: 1

      i work in an at&t broadband call center and submitted this hours and hours ago when they told us. must not have been accepted cause i didnt have anything to link to yet.managment told us at about 2:00 mountain time.

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    2. Re:press release by Spooge+Demon · · Score: 0
    3. Re:press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww.. Great! Here's an idea: Why don't you write it down, and mail it to last week. Excuse me now, we have work to do here.

    4. Re:press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a cheap shot.

  3. any worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, at least service can't get any worse than it already is.

  4. It's not @home anymore by Schemat1c · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since they went bankrupt. Now it's AT&T Broadband Internet. They've already changed my email address and throttled down my bandwidth. I hope it doesn't get worse.

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    1. Re:It's not @home anymore by moncyb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's probably a good thing they set a cap on the bandwidth. I think one of the reasons that @home went bankrupt is because they didn't have such restrictions. Bandwith costs money...

    2. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Just be thankful they won the bid. The other major bidder was AOL-Time-Warner. Eeww.

    3. Re:It's not @home anymore by PeeOnYou2 · · Score: 1

      No problems here.. no slow downs.. no isp switching.. still got all my @home mail/ip junk...

    4. Re:It's not @home anymore by evilquaker · · Score: 3, Informative
      Since they went bankrupt. Now it's AT&T Broadband Internet.

      Maybe for you, but not for Cox@Home or Comcast@Home (or Rogers@Home) customers. We still have @Home service until sometime before Feb. 28th...

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    5. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in AT&T territory, and only because AT&T didn't want to pay @Home even what it was costing @Home to provide bandwidth, muchless hardware maintenance and support costs. I lost my job because of AT&T fucking us hardcore. Fortunately, most of my ex-coworkers get more warning than I do that they need to get a new job...

    6. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @Home is still a company. AT&T Broadband Internet is the service that AT&T customers were transitioned to.

    7. Re:It's not @home anymore by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 2

      Damnit, the bandwidth cap sucks. I hit it all the time, even with just one download at a time! Start up a second download, and as expected, it just halves the download speed of each file.

      Goddamnit.

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    8. Re:It's not @home anymore by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      darn it!!! only 256Kb/s!!!!!:-(

      its not fair!!! i--t--s--...just..no--t..fa--ir!!!

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    9. Re:It's not @home anymore by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      ...but not for ...Comcast@Home...

      ummm, you must not have enve read the summery.

      quualudes was one of the many people to submit the AT&T Broadband/Comcast merger. CNNfn has more of the story as well. 72$ billion is the cost. Wow. I wonder how this affects @Home. One alert reader also submitted the news that Comcast will evidently by launching a video gaming channel - more information will be coming in February 2002

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    10. Re:It's not @home anymore by Meleschi · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to see which Company (@home vs. RoadRunner) survived...

      The unfortunate part of this is that RoadRunner alone will stand out in the field of Cable ISP's.. But it's not like there was any competition to begin with, you usually don't have a choice which cable company's "zone" you fall under....

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    11. Re:It's not @home anymore by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      Just be thankful they won the bid. The other major bidder was AOL-Time-Warner. Eeww.


      But the Comcast deal includes...Microsoft! They provided financial assistance. What does that mean in the end? They'll use Microsoft products, whatever that might mean (imagine your worst network/server nightmare now). That's just flat-out _nasty_. "Hello, Qwest? I'd like DSL, but not with that crappy MSN, please." The tentacles are _everywhere_.

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    12. Re:It's not @home anymore by evilquaker · · Score: 2
      Ummm... you must not have read the parent to my post. The poster I replied to said that @Home had become AT&T BI, which isn't true. His internet provider (apparently) changed from AT&T@Home to AT&T BI, but that's not the same thing as @Home becoming AT&T BI. @Home was, is, and will be (for the rest of its short life) a separate company (unless it gets bought out...).

      As for Comcast and AT&T BI merging... that hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen before Feb. 28th. So as I said, nothing has changed (yet) as far as Comcast@Home customers are concerned.

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    13. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you.

    14. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god, of all the +2 pricks, you have the most ironic sig. You don't get modded down because the moderator is jealous, but because of lame ass posts like that.

    15. Re:It's not @home anymore by gleam · · Score: 2

      Of course, everyone is wrong, and it's all the slashdot editor's fault.

      If he had bothered to read the first paragraph (i think) of the story being linked, he'd see that Comcast is buying solely the cable television and other broadband services, NOT ATT Broadband Internet. ATTBI is being spun off into its own company.

      sheesh.

      -gleam

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    16. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am arrogant, what can I say.

    17. Re:It's not @home anymore by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 2

      I'm only on my first coffee this morning, so I could have missed it, but I'm pretty sure that none of the articles mentioned ATTBI. I assume that the cable modem unit (whatever they are calling it this week) will come with AT&T Broadband. When you think about it, it doesn't make much sense to sell the cable TV unit without internet. The overhead associated with coordinating 2 separate companies, one to manage the physical network and cable tv service, the other to provide cable internet, is too much.

      Look what happened with @Home and Road Runner to name a couple examples. @Home died and RR is confined to TWC (its parent company) areas. If ATT continued its delusion that it was competent enough to run its own ISP, it would run it into the ground.

      As an ATTBB subscriber I can only hope that this means service will improve. AT&T broadband has been simply awful - awful cable TV hardware, awful customer support, awful internet speeds (not to mention after they bought mediaone they raised the internet price $6 while speeds continue to get slower). They've proven they can't run a decent biz, and I'd like them out of my home.

    18. Re:It's not @home anymore by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      I totaly agree, what Broud band providers are FINALY discovering is that it is not profitable to run both the lines and the ISP. that is why companies like ameritech are allowing Prodegy to host ISP services, and why AOL is making deals to host services over phone lines and Earthlink, who has always done this, only resells.

      RR is definatly not profitable for ATW, and @home was just to abstract(a provider who contracted with companies to give hardware and software to the companies own ISP)

      just resell the service over a line someone else owns and no one gets hurt.

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    19. Re:It's not @home anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, most of my ex-coworkers get more warning than I do that they need to get a new job...

      Wasn't @Home filing for bankruptcy protection a clue for you?

  5. well, crap by 3prong · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dammit, I switched to cable to get away from the chaos in DSL-land!

  6. Praise Murphy by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Praise Murphy for he has saved me from having my cable modem taken over by AOL or Microsoft! All give praise to Murphy, for he has not forsaken us. Praise may also be given that I don't have to look at satelite service.

    1. Re:Praise Murphy by stupidNewbie · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... the article says Microsoft was involved financially... i would bet a whole dollar that the Redmond grip will be felt eventually....

    2. Re:Praise Murphy by kesuki · · Score: 1

      Microsoft was backing the comcast deal.
      I read about it before, and the article above mentioned it. In fact Microsoft was offering cash on 3 of the 4 possible outcomes for what AT&T would end up doing. Why is microsoft offering cash to 3 of the 4 parties? remember that whole 'set top box' software debate? I wouldn't be at all suprized if comcast announced that microsoft was now going to be providing them with set top box software.

    3. Re:Praise Murphy by Meleschi · · Score: 1

      I believe Microsoft was offering cash to everyone but AOL/TimeWarner because while the other companies may not specifically be pro or anti microsoft, AOL is definately Pro Sun/Solaris and only uses Microsoft products sparingly, if at all....

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  7. @Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think it affects @Home at all. I used to have @Home but AT&T Broadband dumped @Home. And so I now have AT&T Broadband, oops make that Comcast. I wonder what Comcast Service Agreement is like.

    WhatMeWorry!

    1. Re:@Home? by Knightmare · · Score: 1

      I am on comcast and regularly get above T1 speeds downstream, now upstream that is another story, I am pretty sure 56k modems get better upstream than me ;) So if you do alot of uploading or try to ssh somewhere while morpheus is letting people leach from you, your screwed ;) I personally think they went a little overboard on the upstream cap but I guess that isn't my decision to make so I will live with it. And as far as stability my cablemodem has gone out once since I moved to my current address (123 days according to my firewall). And didn't go out once in the 8 months I lived at my previous address. So I say bang for the buck Comcast has everybody beat around here (Nashville, TN area)

    2. Re:@Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      att has 70+ of voting stock in @home....

    3. Re:@Home? by aka-ed · · Score: 1

      and that's worth...? There's nothing left to control, now that they've run it to ground.

      Yes their deal was a controlling interest, but only 25% of equity.

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    4. Re:@Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      today i called att about their slow service over the past few days,,, they said i needed to call my computer support, and get directions on how to clear my cache, and reset my virtual memory. after a few minutes of laughing at him on the phone, get got his supervisor on to tell me that there was a slowdown in the northeast. Man all of that just to avoid saying that they provide lame service.

    5. Re:@Home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But after they bought TCI i belive they had around 33% equity and 70% voting

    6. Re:@Home? by giberti · · Score: 1
      From the Comcast Press Releases page.

      Terms of the agreement

      Under the terms of the definitive agreement, AT&T will spin off AT&T Broadband and simultaneously merge it with Comcast, forming a new company to be called AT&T Comcast Corporation.

      AT&T shareholders will receive approximately 0.34 shares of AT&T Comcast Corporation for each share of AT&T they own (subject to adjustment based on the number of AT&T shares at closing). Comcast shareholders will receive one share of AT&T Comcast Corporation for each Comcast share they own.

      AT&T shareowners will own a 56 percent economic stake and about a 66 percent voting interest in the new company. The Roberts family, which owns Comcast Class B shares, will control one third of the new company's outstanding voting interest.

      AT&T Comcast Corporation's assets will consist of both companies' cable TV systems, as well as AT&T's interests in cable television joint ventures and its 25.5 percent interest in Time Warner Entertainment, and Comcast's interests in QVC, E! Entertainment, The Golf Channel, and other entertainment properties.

      The new company will assume nearly $20 billion in debt and other liabilities from AT&T and its subsidiaries, as well as $5 billion of AT&T subsidiary trust convertible preferred securities held by Microsoft Corporation, making the aggregate value of the transaction to AT&T shareholders worth $72 billion, based on the closing price of Comcast Class K stock on December 19.

      AT&T shareowners would receive value equivalent to $13.07 per AT&T share based on Comcast's closing share price on Wednesday, December 19, while retaining complete ownership of AT&T's traditional communications businesses.

      In conjunction with the transaction, Microsoft Corporation has agreed to convert the $5 billion of AT&T subsidiary trust convertible preferred securities into 115 million shares of AT&T Comcast Corporation.

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  8. Good tidings by krackbebe · · Score: 0

    Hopefully Comcast will bring the same high quality service it has been known for to this broadband sector.

  9. Do they know what they are buying? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    Myself and 100% of my friends who I know have cable with AT&T are in the process of switching to DSL and dropping AT&T due to the steady degradation of service, culminating in the @Home debacle.

    Do Comcast know that AT&T may be about to lose a huge proportion of their customers?

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    1. Re:Do they know what they are buying? by lordbrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think that Comcast really cares about all the people quitting the internet service.
      Keep in mind that AT&T Broadband is still the largest cable company in the U.S. So I think that what Comcast really wants is the regions that AT&T Broadband cable television is covering.
      So although people may be leaving cable modems to go to dsl they aren't necessarily going to leave their cable television service, which is what I think Comcast really wants.

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    2. Re:Do they know what they are buying? by Lectrik · · Score: 1

      IIRC my city is currently sueing AT&T Broadband for providing substandard service to pretty much everyone, and i personally consider the service i get to be realy crappy, I pay 1.5x more for 52 channels out near the edge of the county than people pay for digital cable 20 miles further into town, and the signal strength is weak even woth one of their amplifiers (adds even more to my bill)

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    3. Re:Do they know what they are buying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when are you and your 3 pals "a huge proportion of their customers"?

      You guys were probably bandwidth hogs anyway, so I'm sure they're happy to see you go.

    4. Re:Do they know what they are buying? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      As it happens, I am also dropping the cable TV due to a steadily deteriorating service and I have a satellite dish on order.

      They have just announced price rises for the cable TV and they have been adding more and more channels, for which they demand more and more cash. Each new channel seems to slow down the already slow and crappy browser further and requires me to trawl through more and more unavailable channels to get to the few I can actually access.

      In contrast, the satelite people have a nicer, faster, slicker browser, can sell me a combined Tivo/receiver box and for less money offer me more channels.

      Maybe Comcast can stop the rot, but I'm not waiting to find out.

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  10. ATT is dumb by alen · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I work for a company that does business with ATT and once in a while in meetings with management they always say how screwed up they are. Totally different systems for everything. The poor customer service people have to look at numerous systems just to find out what the customer's problem is.

    1. Re:ATT is dumb by Jburkholder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ATT wasn't able to evolve its IT systems to keep up with changes in its business. I remember back, prolly '94, reading about how they had a hundred or more different systems and how they had the enormous task of consolidating and modernizing these systems, the goal being a unified view of the customer (rather than the vertical systems they had for each business).

      It wasn't that they didn't recognize this problem or try to do anything about it. They never came up with a workable strategy. Frankly, I'm not sure how you would even begin to tackle a problem like this.

    2. Re:ATT is dumb by nvrrobx · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that AT&T Broadband is a mixture of other companies (TCI Cable and MediaOne for example) so it dosn't exactly shock me that they have a mixture of different systems.

    3. Re:ATT is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And TCI and MediaOne were mixtures of other little companies. The name of the cable tv business is Sell Out To A Big Sucker, not customer service.

    4. Re:ATT is dumb by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      put all the Customer data into a huge database, placing each business the company runs in a seperate database,create an abstraction database that can pull from each sub database, and then hide all the diffrent applications behind a nice HTML/Javascript/VBA interface(including the database)

      hey!! it worked for the state of Michigan!!! and everyone knows how efficient and well operating burocracies are.......right?

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  11. Effect on @Home by NOC_Monkey · · Score: 1
    I wonder how this affects @Home.

    Considering that @Home is closing its doors in a little over 2 months, I doubt it'll have any effect on @Home. The only way it might affect them is if Comcast were to also buy @Home (perhaps so they have a ready-built backbone to trasition customers to).

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    1. Re:Effect on @Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast and AT&T were the first companies to drop negotiations with @Home to keep their service up through the transition to their own networks. So, as has already been said undoubtedly, it has no affect on @Home.

  12. Re:bought by czardonic · · Score: 1

    If you're going to be a pedant, at least be original.

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  13. In other news.. by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comcast issues a more clear statement, saying they had brought AT&T flowers. The type of flowers were thought to be tulips, falling in with the funeral metephor.

    Upon further inquiry, it seems AT&T has decided that they really just suck at being a large company and had to split once again, this time under their own influence, into several smaller companies.

    If only certain other companies could make the same blundering mistakes to cause large debt requiring spinoffs....

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    1. Re:In other news.. by cliffy2000 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the tulips represented "Tulip Mania," or the current incarnation of the frenzy - this time in mergers.

    2. Re:In other news.. by dachshund · · Score: 1
      Upon further inquiry, it seems AT&T has decided that they really just suck at being a large company and had to split once again, this time under their own influence, into several smaller companies.

      Or more accurately, the AT&T executives have realized that they can make out like bandits every time they split or merge-- regardless of how it affects the company.

      I'm curious about what's left now that AT&T's spun off Wireless and Broadband. Long distance, as AT&T was so fond of telling us a couple years ago, is headed for the toilet in a few years. Wide area data networking is a overbuilt and likely to stay that way for a long time to come.

      So what's the future for this company?

    3. Re:In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Microsoft, they've actually got billions to play with and are the big winners here due to their alliance (payoff) of Comcast.

      Woe is AOL. I really feel sorry for them.

    4. Re:In other news.. by The+Man · · Score: 1
      Wide area data networking is a overbuilt and likely to stay that way for a long time to come.

      If this is true, why is it still so fucking expensive?

    5. Re:In other news.. by dachshund · · Score: 1
      If this is true, why is it still so fucking expensive?

      Well, it has gotten somewhat cheaper. But my answer to your question is: Because it cost a phenomenal amount of money to build out the fiber, and even more to maintain and operate it. One of the less well-advertised side effects of capitalism is that oversupply can lead to higher prices, as businesses are forced to raise per-unit prices to cover their debt and expenses.

      Until the last-mile is really built out, long-distance data carriers know that they won't really have enough business to justify lowering prices much. In the mean time, those people who need to move data will be forced to settle for whatever price they can get.

      Now, the above answer might not be completely accurate. But the inarguable bottom line is that carriers have a lot of dark fiber out there that may never see use. And even more debt that's not being paid back.

      Even worse, if control over the last mile is split between the Baby Bells and a relatively small cable company like Comcast (which will probably be somewhat overextended following this purchase), don't look to see the wide area data business taking off any time soon. It'd take someone really aggressive to build out really high speed broadband connections (like fiber to the home) fast enough to make a major difference. The Bells have shown no interest in doing anything to upset their applecart, unless directly pressured by competition. Comcast simply won't have the cash. AT&T wanted to go in this direction, three years ago... But now they've completely dropped the ball.

    6. Re:In other news.. by M-G · · Score: 2

      Because a large part of the cost is the local loop. More than 1/3 of our T-1 cost is the local loop.

      There's surplus fiber running all over the country, but unless you're in an area where the backbone providers have run fiber to the buildings, the local telco still has you by the short ones as far as getting hooked up.

  14. Spelling?? Who gives a **** by yadung · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    C'mon ppl do you care that much?? Every single time there is a posted story u ppl immediatly find *every* spelling and grammar error and post it. Why is it so important that u have to post about it?

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    1. Re:Spelling?? Who gives a **** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone takes the time to learn the language they speak (whatever it may be), and/or spellcheck, you don't get fifteen posts about anything but the topic. ;)

  15. This is good, AT&T is extinct by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 5, Interesting
    AT&T, since Armstrong became CEO, has been an ongoing tale of poor decisions and huge losses. Its worth noting that AT&T lost money owning the cable business - Armstrong was paid an astounding amount to build the cable empire at AT&T only to sell it for less than it cost him. Pathetic. Armstrong clearly needs to go, but at this point its unlikely AT&T will survivce in any case - they will almost certainly be swallowed by SBC.

    As for the cable business, Comcast can only be an improvement. AT&T service was dismal, but typical of this truly out of date corporate dinosaur.

    1. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Funny

      I love America.

      Ma Bell gets broken up.

      Baby Bells join into SBC.

      Remaining AT&T collapses under it's own weight (and stupidity).

      SBC swallows AT&T.

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    2. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

      >Armstrong clearly needs to go

      Armstrong is going to head this 'new company'.

      AT&T Chairman C. Michael Armstrong ... will serve as chairman of the new company when the merger closes. ... Comcast President Brian Roberts will be chief executive officer.


      He was going to retire in 2003, now he gets to go drive another company into the ground. I can't wait to see what happens to my service now. Up until October, we had MediaOne express (even though AT&T had bought M1 over a year prior), then we were migrated to @Home-less for the 2 months before they cut their service to AT&T and we were moved to attbi. I give it about 18 months before this goes bust and AOL/TW buys it and moves us onto something else.

    3. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by Jburkholder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, not exactly...

      >Baby Bells join into SBC.

      Southwest Bell was one of the seven baby bells (BellSouth, Bell Atlantic, Ameritech, US West, NyNex, PacTel and SW Bell) and they went on to acquire PacTel and Ameritech and are now SBC.

      Bell Atlantic and NyNex merged and (I lost track) then became Verizon when GTE came to the party.

      >SBC swallows AT&T

      When did this happen? AT&T has been disintegrating on its own for some time now (Wireless, now broadband leaving). SBC hasn't had much to do with it (yet).

    4. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by dachshund · · Score: 1
      Remaining AT&T collapses under it's own weight (and stupidity).

      To be fair, the Baby Bells aren't paragons of efficiency and brilliant management. The true moral of this story follows:

      Stupidity + Competition = Disaster

      Stupidity + Monopoly = Success beyond your wildest dreams.

      For an example of the latter, take a look at Wall Street's darling Verizon, the lovechild of the two dumbest corporate monopolies ever set loose to roam over the land.

    5. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      they will almost certainly be swallowed by SBC

      wasn't SBC a Spin off of ATT back in the late 60's early 70's in an attempt to keep federal anti-trust hounds back? you know the good old "look, we have competition"

      oh the irony.

      SBC is scary....

      the whole country seems to be in this movement back to one huge consolidated telecom industry again. Pac bell/SBC/?
      regional monopolies are just as bad as national ones.

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    6. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by hemp · · Score: 1

      I worked at Hughes Aircraft when he became the first CEO hired from outside the company(he was #2 at IBM and Lou Gerstner beat him out there). Does anyone remember that company? Founded in 1924 by Howard Hughes Jr. Launched the first ever communications satillite among other accomplishments? Now just a collection of pieces surviving in other companies...looks like AT&T will probably end up the same way...

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    7. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2
      SBC swallows AT&T -
      When did this happen?

      SBC has been in talks to acquire AT&T for months. Losing the cable business was the provision for the deal to go forward. I expect AT&T to be part of SBC by March at the latest.

    8. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

      I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source for this? There have been reports on and off for probably over a year that AT&T is "in talks" to be acquired or somesuch. I think the last sone I heard was British Telecom was interested?

    9. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by M-G · · Score: 2

      Well, SBC Communications is the monster formerly known as Southwestern Bell, which was one of the regional "Baby Bells" that was formed when the feds forced the breakup of the Bell System monopoly. This lead to the regional providers, which have since merged back into a handful of big companies, and an AT&T that had competition in the LD business from MCI, Sprint, etc.

      Federal law was supposed to push the regional providers to open their markets to competition. The baby bells, which desperately want to offer their own LD service, had to open their markets to competitors before they would be allowed to offer LD. (ugh..run-on sentence) Anyway, while most large markets have some competition for business service, there isn't much for residential service. However, the regulators, in their wisdom, have been allowing SBC to offer LD service now, even though they've done little to open up their markets.

    10. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by morgue-ann · · Score: 1

      Stupidity + Competition = Disaster

      Stupidity + Monopoly = Success beyond your wildest dreams.


      A few short years ago when IBM wasn't looking so hot (Taligent/Kaleida) and the Baby Bells were going great gangbusters (partially due to the Telecommunications Act), pundits commenting on the Microsoft case thought a breakup might actually be good for MS.

      The thought was that IBM, which didn't get broken up, had to be vewwwy careful to avoid the appearance of abusing monopoly power, giving rise to DEC and eventually Compaq/Dell/Microsoft. If their lawyers hadn't held them back from using more than FUD against the mini, we might still be using mainframes.

      The baby bells and AT&T were allowed to do business with fewer restriction. There's regular FCC tariff crap, but the Telecomm Act helped ease that. For a while, AT&T and some of the babies were doing quite well. In some respects, Verizon & esp. SBC might still be said to be doing well. Their customer service may suck worse than ever, but are they making money?

    11. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      hmmm, well, there is this company called talk america in the detroit area (not offered in all places though) that offers Local and long distance calling. you pay $30 per month, never pay a monthly charge for the extra stuff (call waiting, etc.) have unlimited local calles(local is from southern wayne county to northern oakland county to western livingston county....Huge huge huge area), 1000 min on local toll calls,free calls to other members (even if they are out of your local calling area) and 5 cents per min on out of state calls.

      I wish I had this available to me in my area, but it is not yet available :-(....for a woman I work with though, she has it and loves it.

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    12. Re:This is good, AT&T is extinct by dachshund · · Score: 1
      Verizon & esp. SBC might still be said to be doing well. Their customer service may suck worse than ever, but are they making money?

      Yes, I'm sorry if my original post was confusing. Verizon is doing pretty well, especially compared to the more competitive Telecoms (AT&T, WorldCom). Nobody has ever convincingly argued that Verizon is well-managed (remember, this is GTE and Bell Atlantic we're talking about.) What V's got going for it is a monopoly, and the loads of reliable cash that brings in. And of course, the reflexive ability to use that cash to protect its own interests.

      The major distinguishing characteristic of the Bells is that they're a legal monopoly. They can get away with a whole lot more than a company like IBM or even Microsoft because nobody has ever come up with a real plan for promoting competition in local service. You could break the Bells up, but then you'd just have a bunch of smaller monopolies (though I think that'd be a better situation than the MaBell-reborn behemoths that are taking shape in companies like Verizon.)

      The lesson of the past few years is that legal monopolies do pretty well as long as nobody imposes too much change on them; for example, via Government intervention, or voluntary changes like PG&E made.

  16. bad investment by y2dt · · Score: 1

    didn't att buy all the pieces for their broadband empire for $100 billion? now theyre selling it off for $72bil

  17. did you notice... by BigBir3d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...that Microsoft gets $5 billion in "preferred securities as part of the deal?"

    I guess that is better than AOL Time Warner buying AT&T Broadband.

    *sigh*

    1. Re:did you notice... by thesolo · · Score: 1

      Actually, Microsoft offered to INVEST $5 Billion into AT&T Broadband if AT&T kept their service independent. Then they agreed to convert $5 Billion worth of securities into shares of the new AT&T Comcast.

    2. Re:did you notice... by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      Microsoft gets $5 billion in "preferred securities as part of the deal?"

      that's okay, part of the reason that AT&T is in the shitter is because they agreed to buy some 1 million shares of @Home for $20 each and @Home has been taking the steps to complete the transaction, now that they're at 43c a share. Stock deals always screw somebody.

      Of course, Microsoft can spend $20 million on lunch.

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    3. Re:did you notice... by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Actually, MSFT had _already_ invested $5BN in AT&T - as part of the deal, they're exchanging their convertible preferred stock for common, essentially giving up their preferential position.

  18. @Home? by aka-ed · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wonder how this affects @Home.

    Is that a joke? @Home is unrelated to this deal. ATT had a minority equity interest in "Excite@Home," the company that went bankrupt. AT&T is just a losing investor there.

    "AT&T@Home" was a brand name for @Home service distributed by AT&T Digital Cable, not a corporate entity.

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  19. Restrictions? by MiTEG · · Score: 2, Informative

    The ATTBI service agreement was just about the most restricitve contract I've ever seen at an ISP. You weren't even allowed to post material that would be "considered embarrassing to a reasonable person"! Maybe this merger will make the agreement a little more sensible (and increase the bandwith cap while their at it too!)

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    1. Re:Restrictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus! You aren't kidding..

      No: ftp, web, mail, irc, anything else servers... no posting of anything EMBARRASSING let alone offensive..

      Let me get this straigt... What CAN you use their service for?

    2. Re:Restrictions? by ShadeEagle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read it closer... especially the last few lines.

      They guarantee nothing, save that you get a bill.

      Oh, and if you sue them, YOU pay the lawyer fees regardless of whether you win or lose.

      Copy 'n pasted from the Second Example: (Caps and all...)
      FINALLY, YOU AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY, AND HOLD HARMLESS AT&T AND THIRD PARTIES WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE AT&T WORLDNET HIGH SPEED SERVICE FROM ANY LOSS, DAMAGE, OR COST (INCLUDING ATTORNEYS' FEES) RESULTING FROM YOUR VIOLATION OF THIS AGREEMENT OR ANY ACTIVITY RELATED TO YOUR AT&T WORLDNET HIGH SPEED ACCOUNT.

      In the first two examples, read "You're Responsible" REAL closely.

      More Examples:
      http://www.attbi.com/general-info/policies.html
      http://www.att.net/general-info/terms.html
      http://www.att.com/terms/

    3. Re:Restrictions? by AntiNorm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let me get this straigt... What CAN you use their service for?

      Finding a new service?

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    4. Re:Restrictions? by foobar104 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FINALLY, YOU AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY, AND HOLD HARMLESS AT&T AND THIRD PARTIES WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE AT&T WORLDNET HIGH SPEED SERVICE BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M SO STUFFY GIVE ME A SCONE

      Believe it or not, this is completely typical stuff probably cut-and-pasted out of a boilerplate terms and conditions for commercial service document.

      Any time you sign up for any kind of service, from telephone all the way up to managed technical support like my company sells, you're told in the sales contract that you're waiving your rights to sue in case something goes wrong. It's right up there with the "no warranty express or implied, including guarantee of merchantability or fitness of purpose" language that goes in every software license agreement.

      It's the company's way of saying, "Just because we're providing you with this product or service, don't think we're accepting the full and permanent responsibility for any deranged misuses of our product or service that you might think of with your sick little mind."

      So if you violate the AT&T terms and conditions and they shut off your connection, thereby costing you umpteen million boxtops in lost business from your work-from-home pyramid scheme web site, don't think you can run to your lawyer and claim damages.

      On the other hand, if AT&T violates their end of the bargain in any way-- although I can't think of an example; those T&C documents are usually pretty well written-- you still have all those rights and privileges that flesh is heir to.

      So don't get all huffy about these conditions. They're nothing new or unusual.

    5. Re:Restrictions? by ShadeEagle · · Score: 1

      Huffy I ain't.

      Just pointing out facts, that's all.

      If a little thing like T&C got me down, I wouldn't threaten to sue, I wouldn't THREATEN to cancel my service... I'd simply do it, and go to the competition.

      And laughing at them... mainly because when I worked tech support for AT&T I could hide behind 'em when I had irate customers who were taking potshots at ME, and not AT&T. If they are making it obvious that they're not angry at ME, I try to help them. But if they take it to a personal level, I let 'er rip.

      Just a little way to ensure job satisfaction. And more proof that I'm a sadistic bugger at times. Course, now that I work a different tech support desk, I don't get NEARLY as many irate or angry customers. And thus don't need to hide behind a stupid legal document that I don't even fully understand anyway.

      Which adds another lesson today: When talking to any kind of customer service, realise that we're human beings too, sitting in a row of half-cubicles, taking call after call. In some cases, up to 50 calls an hour! When calling customer service/tech support - take a deep breath before dialing, and don't give US the third degree. In the case of the whole transitioning - we had some people working 12 hour shifts with a 3 minute training course... we were put on to balance the load of calls. We may have had the knowlege or ability to help you, but we have AT&T policies holding us back. As much as we would LIKE to help you - we prefer holding onto a job that allows us to live. They DO monitor us for quality control, and if they ding us too much, we CAN be removed from the floor. Someone (in another post) mentioned not being given Tier 2's number - That is because it DID get out. To a LOT of people. Within half an hour, everyone was told NOT to give it out because the circuits were in fact overloading. Patience is the name of the game... for both us and you.

    6. Re:Restrictions? by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      I agree, this is typical CYA lawyer shit. It only protects them from YOUR actions, but does NOT protect them from themselves. If THEY violate the terms of the contract, OR if the contract isn't even legal (violates any terms of local legal codes governing contracts or bussiness licences allowing them to offer the service in your town) then those terms aren't worth the toilet paper they are written on.

    7. Re:Restrictions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Thing AT&T doesn't do buisness in Louisiana (not just because I wouldn't use them). In Louisiana we have a little thingy called an Anti-Indemnity Law - basically it says that NOONE can make you hold them harmless. If you are at fault, you're gonna ride that goose, not let someone else take the fall. Half of their contract would be invalid.
      FYI - Louisiana is the only state with it's laws based on Napoleanic rule as opposed to Brittish rule (as the other 49 states are).

    8. Re:Restrictions? by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Good Thing AT&T doesn't do buisness in Louisiana....

      Actually, I lived in Louisiana for 20 years. If I remember correctly, the oft-cited statute is really the Louisiana Oilfield Anti-Indemnity Act of 1981, La.Rev.Stat.Ann. 9:2780. Texas has a similar law.

      Unless there's something I don't know, this law specifically prohibits indemnification from personal injury caused by negligence. It's not a broad prohibition against anti-indemnity clauses of any kind.

  20. Hmm, my list of TV channels is going to shrink ... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I pay $20 for cable TV every month through a deal my neighborhood struck with AT&T Broadband (read : the majority of idiot around where I live have imposed this shit to people who wanted something else). Net result : my channel offering is the crappiest I've ever seen, and all the remaining good channels have been taken away slowly one after the other by AT&T-B without anybody being able to complain about it.

    Now I guess I'll have only the Home Shopping Network, the weather channel, and the 3 (*3*!) religious-oriented channels left before I can finish posting this. Oh well, time to sell that TV and the TiVo and start reading again ...

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  21. Stock Price Difference Interesting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the press release on Comcast, AT&T stockholders will receive 0.34 share of Comcast for each share of AT&T they own, which is currently worth about $13.07. AT&T stock is currently selling for about $16-17. Unless there's some radical realignment in stock prices (e.g. Comcast getting hit because of the debt they're acquiring along with the assets), that means there's either some major synergy going on or else the market thinks that the rest of AT&T is worth about $4 :-) Hope it's the former...

    1. Re:Stock Price Difference Interesting.... by evilquaker · · Score: 1
      According to the press release on Comcast, AT&T stockholders will receive 0.34 share of Comcast for each share of AT&T they own, which is currently worth about $13.07. AT&T stock is currently selling for about $16-17. Unless there's some radical realignment in stock prices (e.g. Comcast getting hit because of the debt they're acquiring along with the assets), that means there's either some major synergy going on or else the market thinks that the rest of AT&T is worth about $4 :-) Hope it's the former...

      Actually, it's probably the first thing you mentioned: CMCSK will probably get hit hard tomorrow because of the debt they're taking on... conversely, shares of AOL should gap up at the open, since they're not buying AT&T BI. Such is the strange world of the short-term voting machine known as the stock market...

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    2. Re:Stock Price Difference Interesting.... by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      No you don't understand, AT&T isn't going bankrupt! AT&T stockholders are still keeping their shares, but as comcast is paying AT&T money, that money gets filtered out to the stockholders, so basically each stockholder gets effectivly a dividend of .34 cents. Or are you refering to the fact that stocks shouldn't cost more than 20 times their earnings? HAHAHHA and you think stock price has anything to do with the real world?

  22. what once was old... by bubbasatan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is new again...

    I used to have Comcast cable television and broadband internet service. When AT&T bought MediaOne, they also acquired the Comcast division that serviced my area. Eventually, the switch was made to calling the service AT&T broadband. I find it somewhat amusing that less than a year later, I'm about to be back on Comcast. AT&T broadband was so bad that I switched back to DSL and abandoned my cable television entirely. All AT&T seemed able to do was remove good channels (WGN Chicago, Speedvision, and some others) and run commercials advertising 5 non-functional customer service phone numbers and about a zillion ads informing paying customers that stealing cable tv is a crime. Maybe Comcast will learn something from AT&T's plans to take over the cable industry. Somehow, I kinda doubt it. At least maybe now I can have decent cable tv again.

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    1. Re:what once was old... by davidhan · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you're a Boston Metro area customer too, my cable was called Comcast Cablevision, then MediaOne, then AT&T, now Comcast again? We can't get cable modem service though.

  23. hi by sinnyin · · Score: 1

    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-8236344.html? tag=mn_hd

  24. Thing$ could be wor$e by lsd4all · · Score: 1

    Just be glad AT&T isn't owned by Enron. http://www.forbes.com/2001/12/05/1205enron.html At least AT&T's employees still have jobs, 401k's and stock options.

  25. Good news by primal39 · · Score: 0

    This is great news for those individuals like myself who work in the cable television construction industry. AT&T has over 40,000 miles of existing plant that is using 450Mhz equipment that will need upgrading DESPERATELY as more and more people clamor for things like Digital Cable, broadband solutions via coax, etc... Currently most digital cable provision is via 550Mhz equipment and above (with 750 and 860 the standards new deployment). Thus, corporations that have long been subcontractors to Comcast, such as Communications Construction Group will once again have much to do.

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  26. @homeattbicomcastdial-up? by doggo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Crap!

    Just when I was hoping my damn connection would get stable. Got a signal to the cable modem a half hour ago after another 6 days outage after the 5 day outage during the excite debacle.

    Now what, we gotta change all our settings, e-mail forwarding, accounts, etc.?

    Can anyone recommend a high speed internet provider in Chicago that looks stable financially, and provides good service. And, dare I ask, has technicians that know their asses from gopher holes?

    Or do I have to use the built-in 56K modem on my new iBook indefinitely?

    Whatta pile a horse pucky!

    1. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by lsd4all · · Score: 5, Funny

      These guys look good.

      http://www.enron.com/corp/products/broadband/

    2. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by bergeron76 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Rule #1: Never use an ISP email account. Always roll your own or use a free one, or even rent one from a yourfirstname@yourlastname.com type place. Point it where _you_ want it.

      Rule #2: Never get comfortable with your provider. You will only get hurt. Can you say, "Mergers and aquisitions, baby!".

      Rule #3: Never feed her after midnight, and never get her wet; and most important of all never, ever, ever, tell her about the STD...

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    3. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by phantumstranger · · Score: 2, Informative
      You can try Ameritech (SBC?).

      I've been with them from pretty much the beginning, 2 years, and while they started off rocky, they seem to have gotten they're stuff together. 768 / 128, which, by some standards, may not be all that great, it's always consistent.

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    4. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by denzo · · Score: 1

      Don't forget MediaOne. ;)

    5. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by Wntrmute · · Score: 1

      Warning: It's also PPPoE, which is lame. 'Course, may not bother some people like it does me, and if it was my only option, I'd be forced to deal.

      <prays Covad keeps on the upswing>

    6. Re:@homeattbicomcastdial-up? by KarmicNewt · · Score: 1

      Your kidding right? Enron. They offer broadband services? The oil company that filed Chaper 11? I'd personally be wary.

      At least ATT&T broadband is merging with a telecomm.

  27. It never ends... But there's some good news. by stienman · · Score: 2

    I started with mediaone, which was bought by comcast. Now comcast is changing our email addresses, saying that they are moving our network off @home, but they were outsourcing tech support to ATT already, so essentially we were paying comcast for @home service and ATT support.

    Looks like it's all going right to comcast now though so we may yet have one company providing our service.

    On the good side - mediaone did an outstanding job setting up the network here (Ann Arbor cable rebuild) and I peak at 2.2Mb/S - if I'm talking to a fast server. Luckily UofMichigan mirrors all the important distributions and I get them at that speed.

    Hopefully comcast will not only not fix it if it's not broken, but they will use this as a model for their other cable services elsewhere. 2.2Mb/S isn't ideal broadband, but it's certianly a step in the right direction.

    -Adam

  28. Re:WTF is "Brought?" by knick · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If they did, then your life would serve no purpose.

    They are giving you a reason to live. To bitch and point out fault.

    BTW, you were the ONLY person to notice this spelling error, so we are VERY glad you posted this.

  29. Interesting by alsta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it is very funny (as in peculiar) that mergers like this happen. And once this all ends up being some kind of OmniCorp(tm) people start looking around saying that it is terrible that we have another monopoly. I rather fancy the analogy from Demolition Man, where Taco Bell has become the only survivor of the fast food chains.

    Shakedown between AOL/Time Warner and ComCast/AT&T anytime soon? Likely to go on for years and cost tramendous amounts of money. Money that the customer will have to pay once the winner has the monopoly...

    Or maybe I am just paranoid and this is all not going to happen. But I think it's interesting nevertheless.

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    1. Re:interesting by -=OmegaMan=- · · Score: 1

      How much are you making off of that affiliate link, thitcho?

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  30. Yet in the Dallas, TX area by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They REFUSE to sell you anymore bandwidth, no matter what you are willing to pay...

    1. Re:Yet in the Dallas, TX area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe that you are willing to pay the real cost. If so, get a T-1 or a T-3 put in.

    2. Re:Yet in the Dallas, TX area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to get their business service. Which will actually cost you what it should. Stop your whining and pay up you cheap ass.

    3. Re:Yet in the Dallas, TX area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the service is limited to 1.5mbps down b/c the network just can't handle what it has on it now. Most people aren't even getting close to those speeds as it is.

      I really didn't know of anyone getting more than 1mbps on the @Home service either and I worked for both @Home and now ATTBI.

      Most people in CA, TX, and IL are experiencing serious speed issues. There have been quite a few outages (some lasting several days) and one was a nationwide one.

      The new network just wasn't built to handle what they are loading it w/. They say that the service will improve after the transition is complete but it is a lie. I don't see any bandwith loss when people are downloading a 300kb file to do their "configuration".

      Most people are threatening to goto DSL. AT&T is waving bye w/applause. The less people they got the more bandwith for others.

      My opinion is this. DSL sucks just as bad for different reasons. Unless your Telco is the same as your ISP you are screwed. Bandwith blows and latency is just as bad as cable.

      Suffer w/what you have, the grass is not greener on either side.

    4. Re:Yet in the Dallas, TX area by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      They will not SELL business service in this area!!!

  31. round -n- round she goes... by Maditude · · Score: 1

    I signed up with MediaOne, which shortly thereafter merged with RoadRunner, which in turn followed pretty quickly into "AT&T Broadband". Now it's going to be ComCast? In that time, things have been on a downward trend, in terms of service and reliability, and the support has gone from not-too-bad, to utterly hopeless (especially since they outsourced to that outfit in Canada).

    Anyone know if they are going to make further cuts in service? (ie, speeds, usenet feeds, etc)

    1. Re:round -n- round she goes... by unit24 · · Score: 1

      Yup, Comcast has stated that they will not be offering Usenet, they are also increasing the cost by $5.00 a month according to letters recieved by several users.

      From an ongoing email discourse with Comcast:

      Dear Eric,

      Thank you for your message concerning your Comcast newsgroups.

      In response to your inquiry regarding the future of Newsgroups via the new Comcast managed network, we regret to inform you that Comcast will not offer Newsgroups when we transition our customers to the new Comcast managed network.

      We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause some of our customers and hope all who routinely use Newsgroups will come to enjoy the new features offered with the new service when it is launched.

      It is our sincere hope that all of our customers will see for themselves the benefits of the new Comcast managed network and choose to remain part of the Comcast family.
      We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.

      If there is anything else we can help you with, please contact us. Thank you for choosing Comcast.

      Travis
      Comcast
      E-mail Response Specialist

  32. Re:It never ends... But there's some good news. by ShadeEagle · · Score: 1

    but they were outsourcing tech support to ATT already

    Who in turn outsource THEIR tech support to the same company who does some FedEx tech support and customer service, among MANY other companies.

    I happen to work for the company that is outsourced, and quite frankly - does it really matter if it's outsourced? In fact, AT&T likes our call centre - we do a LOT better than some of the other centres that do tech support for AT&T. And the customers like us too, at least for the better part.

    Besides, companies outsourcing customer service and tech support to other companies means that more money can go into providing better service. (At least in theory...)

    And lastly, cats and kittens, if you read the story, it's just the cable TV portion of AT&T Broadband. Not the AT&T broadband that does the internet. But I wouldn't doubt that a deal for SOME company to buy out AT&T's Internet business would happen eventually.

    Just my 2 cents.

  33. Who cares about @Home.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it does screw their investors. The same guys that kept going to court to prevent@home from going bankrupt and selling out for less than half of what they are owed. It's going to finicially ruin those poor S.O.B.s. They should have took the $327 Million and ran...Now they'll be lucky to walk away with a dollar.

  34. Microsoft sweetens the pot by NoWhereMan · · Score: 1
    A desire to block AOL Time Warner from winning AT&T's cable unit led software provider Microsoft Corp. to provide financial assistance to both the Comcast bid as well as the bid of competing cable operator Cox Communications Inc.


    Is this a version of the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' rule? It really makes it hard to keep track of these companies with them exchanging stock and securities the way they do.

  35. I must be really lucky... by PeeOnYou2 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    My local cable provider Midcontinent decided that they would assume the repsonsibility of running the cable service in our state since @home won't be able to do so. Then I hear all you guys bitchin about how your service is going down the tubes. It makes me feel special, because I haven't noticed one change. We had the same speed/reliability before it changed to @home, and will have it after it changes to AT&T because the company here maintains all the stuff. Its great.

  36. For what it's worth... by tsmit · · Score: 1, Informative

    When do you expect to complete the merger with Comcast?
    We anticipate that the transition will be completed by nine to 12 months. AT&T Broadband will continue to provide support for your AT&T Broadband Internet service until the merger is complete.

    Will my service change in any way?
    As an AT&T Broadband Internet customer, you can expect to receive a reliable, fast, always-on connection to the Internet. The changes in our business will not cause service interruptions and, at this time, we anticipate no changes to your service. As we have done in the past, any future changes or enhancements to your service will be announced well in advance.

    Will AT&T Broadband Internet move back to the @Home network as a result of the merger with Comcast?
    We anticipate no changes to your service. As we have done in the past, any future changes or enhancements to your service will be announced well in advance.

    Will my prices increase as a result of this merger?
    AT&T Broadband's prices reflect the cost of providing service and operating the business. There are no price increases associated with the announcement of this merger.

    Why do you keep changing your brand name?
    The Internet business is a rapidly changing and developing industry. Over the past four years, we have worked hard to provide the latest technology and best-in-class service. Companies and brands have changed as there have been mergers, acquisitions and partnerships.

    Will my bill change?
    Your bill and billing cycle will remain the same for the time being. Any changes to your billing cycle or the appearance of your bill will be announced and explained prior to the change.

    Will I have the same contact methods for Customer Care?
    Your customer care contacts won't change as a direct result of the planned merger with Comcast. Our Online Customer Support Center will continue to provide chat and e-mail links so you can reach a specialist 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Also, you may call the same phone number for Customer Care, as there are no immediate changes planned for telephone support numbers.

    How will you keep me informed of any upcoming changes to my service?
    As we have done in the past, any future changes or enhancements to your service will be announced well in advance via your AT&T Broadband Internet e-mail account, direct mail and the Announcements and Updates section of this site.

    Will there be any further disruption to my service?
    We are committed to providing you with quality and reliable high-speed cable Internet service. The previous disruption to your high-speed cable Internet service was result of Excite@Home's Chapter 11 Bankruptcy filing. There are no planned disruptions to your AT&T Broadband service as a result of the proposed merger.

    Will my e-mail address change? What about my personal Web page address?
    We do not expect any near-term changes that would effect either your AT&T Broadband Internet e-mail address or your Web page address. Down the road, some changes may be necessary. If that occurs, we will notify you well in advance to address any needed changes.

    Will my payment method change?
    Your current payment via credit card or billing statement payment process will not change as a result of this merger. We will we will notify you well in advance if there are any changes to your payment method.

    If I have AT&T Broadband Internet, will I get Comcast service after the merger?
    There are no immediate changes to your AT&T Broadband Internet service. At this time, we do not know any details regarding when you might be able to receive the Comcast service. Unless otherwise notified, you will continue to receive AT&T Broadband Internet as your high-speed cable Internet service.

    Will my home page change again?
    There are no immediate changes to your AT&T Broadband Internet service.

    Will I still be able to use my AT&T Broadband Internet log-in information?
    There will be no immediate changes to your AT&T Broadband Internet service. At this time, we do not know any details regarding when you might be able to receive the Comcast service. Unless otherwise notified, you should continue to use your AT&T Broadband Internet username and password. As we have done in the past, any future changes or enhancements to your service will be announced well in advance.

    Will the minimum system requirements for my computer change again?
    We don't anticipate any changes in the minimum system requirements at this time.

    Will you be offering any additional features to the service?
    Yes, we have several technical trials and market trials underway right now and expect to announce new features beginning next year.

    Does this mean that I will finally be able to get high-speed Internet in my neighborhood? I've been waiting for years. (Will the upgrade be any faster?)
    We can't give you a specific timeframe for the introduction of high-speed Internet services in your neighborhood. We're working to introduce the service in as many communities as quickly as we can.

    --
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    1. Re:For what it's worth... by jpellino · · Score: 1

      We anticipate no changes to your service. As we have done in the past, any future changes or enhancements to your service will be announced well in advance.

      Erm, at 11 PM Nov 31 CS had no clue as to what was going to happen in less than an hour.

      AT&T Broadband's prices reflect the cost of providing service and operating the business. There are no price increases associated with the announcement of this merger.

      Funny, when you cut our speeds to half of what they were you kept the price the same. In my book you just raised your rates 100%

      Plus lookit all the money you're saving by having two flaky DNS servers as opposed to the regional ones that worked just fine for two years. Have a tag sale. Kripes - I'm ready to setup MacDNS in the den - I'll let you tickle it locally for pocket change. What is so christlessly difficult about a DNS server at the local head end?

      The Internet business is a rapidly changing and developing industry. Over the past four years, we have worked hard to provide the latest technology and best-in-class service. Companies and brands have changed as there have been mergers, acquisitions and partnerships.

      Plus making up clute little names and logos is funner than learning to spell b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s p-l-a-n

      Your bill and billing cycle will remain the same for the time being. Any changes to your billing cycle or the appearance of your bill will be announced and explained prior to the change.

      Nanoseconds are technically 'prior'

      Your customer care contacts won't change as a direct result of the planned merger with Comcast. Our Online Customer Support Center will continue to provide chat and e-mail links so you can reach a specialist 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Also, you may call the same phone number for Customer Care, as there are no immediate changes planned for telephone support numbers.

      A java chat client that makes playing whack-a-mole seems like a relief...

      I believe the correct terminology is that it TAKES 24 hours to reach a live CS...

      The original CS number 262-6300 is now a hired CS desk that knows nothing of substance, and they no longer will give out the number for tier 2 / tech support because apparently customers tried - oh, actually calling them.

      The previous disruption to your high-speed cable Internet service was result of Excite@Home's Chapter 11 Bankruptcy filing. There are no planned disruptions to your AT&T Broadband service as a result of the proposed merger.

      So it *wasn't* the result of a childish game of chicken being played with the livelihoods and money of 800,000 innocent customers?

      Cuz that's what everyone else except you thinks.

      Funny how with more than a quarter's notice you can't ramp up to stave off the results of a game that everyone else including several species of invertebrates knew you were going to lose. (If your contract says you can't do so, but you know you're going to lose, then cut bait and Do The Right Thing.) You can please your board all you want, but with no customers / income stream, your directors and investors will be sitting in the dark twiddling their - um - thumbs.

      "Weak as kittens, dumb a as a sack of hammers."

      --
      "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
    2. Re:For what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Assuming that you are from ATT. I find this hysterical. The speeds are slower, yet you charge the same amount. When my connection dropped on Sat am, it was tuesday when it came back up. Since then, I have had 3 outages of about 1 day. When I call CS, to get tier 1, it takes >.5 hour. Since I run Linux, I monitor the modem through SNMP and the built-in browser. It is easy to trace the problems. When trying to talk to your tier 1 ppl, I have found them totally worthless (the real problem is the upstream amps are powered down slightly killing my power or at least the techs who have come out tell me so). When I requested a tier 2, they finally conceded (in horrible fashon) and I waited > 1 hour to finally have the phone system drop me.

      Now Listen carefully. I wanted TCI to remain seperate. I live in denver and I figured that it is best for this local economy. But with the lousy service that I have seen from your company, I would have to say that I am happy comcast bought you (it is not a merger, they will be killing your jobs in dallas, ohio, and denver). I have heard that comcast is just about as bad with downtime (they apparently run M$), but their CS is quite a bit better. Not as surly and not a total waste of my time.

  37. Well, that's just great by Doctor+Triffid · · Score: 1

    I've just spent the past year pleading with AT&T Broadband to extend their broadband Internet access just another couple of miles. Looks like I'm gonna have to start all over again.

  38. AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 2, Informative

    It both sucks and blows. They rearranged the diverse public interest channels so they could give us, "AT&T 3 - Wicked Cool TV" Comprised of mainly ancient reruns including Gomer Pyle USMC, college football, a home shopping channel they already have on the cable lineup, and as for their "NEWS" well, it looks as if the high school drama club has made the big time.

    This summer, I was disconnected on a Tuesday. I called them and after some hemming and hawing on their part, they finally agreed to reconnect me on Friday. I had to call a relative on the state comission that regulates cable TV to get them to move it up a day. I also had this relative get them to credit me for two weeks as recompense for disconnecting me in error. Yes, that's right, AT&T Broadband cut me off in error.

    The picture quality on some channels is bad, the volume varies wildly between the satellite programming and locally inserted commercials.

    You wait for at least 30 minutes while trying to get someone to answer a phone, oh, and their phone service! Once you've navigated phone menu hell, you listen to crappy music and hear some dweeb tell you to jot down the emergency phone number.

    The emergency phone number presents you with exactly the same phone menu hell you get when you dial the regular phone number. And you still wait forever.

    Thank Dobbs that the Boston cable TV system has been bought by a real cable TV company.

    Someone else can use this here soapbox now.

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    1. Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can your relative wipe your ass too?

    2. Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boston??? Your complaining because you were disconnected? I got news for ya brother, ATT doesn't HAVE cable access in Boston. Maybe out in the burbs. Us poor saps in Boston proper got nothing. We still have two analog lines going into our homes with with a/b channels. We pay 39 dollars a month for basic *extended* (that is about 40 channels total). AND our rates go up in a month or two with NO new service...oh, wait, we now get nesn. BFD, now I can see the Sox lose again.

    3. Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      A.C. says:

      Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.19 18:25 (Score:0)

      Boston??? Your complaining because you were disconnected? I got news for ya brother, ATT doesn't HAVE cable access in Boston. Maybe out in the burbs. Us poor saps in Boston proper got nothing. We still have two analog lines going into our homes with with a/b channels. We pay 39 dollars a month for basic *extended* (that is about 40 channels total). AND our rates go up in a month or two with NO new service...oh, wait, we now get nesn. BFD, now I can see the Sox lose again.
      -------
      I live in Boston, the Mattapan/Hyde Park area.

      I wasn't talking about cable modem access, I was talking about the cable TV service. And as for AT&T not having cable access in Boston, then why does my cable bill say, "Make check out to AT&T Broadband"?

      I'm sticking with dialup access. That works all the time, regardless of who's buying AT&T, @home, Covad, Rythims, Roadrunner or any other cable modem or DSL service.

      Hey, we're getting TV LAND real soon now. w00t!

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    4. Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

      Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.19 22:55 (Score:0)

      Can your relative wipe your ass too?

      -----

      No, do you need help wiping YOUR ass? It wouldn't surprise me.

      She DID get those lazy bastards to hook me back up a day early and cut my bill in half for a month for my trouble.

      That's a win as far as I'm concerned.

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    5. Re:AT&T Broadband cable TV in Boston by Frequanaut · · Score: 1

      AT&T Broadband is just the company name, they bought the cable franchise and equipment from cablevision one or two years ago.

      Just because they have the word broadband in their name doesn't mean it's available in Boston.

      I make my check out to AT&T Broadband as well. Trust me, they don't offer internet access or digital cable in Boston.

  39. Okay now, who has the better TOS? by Ececheira · · Score: 1

    Okay... now which of these companies has the best TOS (ie, the most liberal)?

    Any predictions about TOS changes for the better or worse?

  40. AT&T in Cash Town by LocoSpitz · · Score: 1

    AT&T is going crazy lately. Trying to buy @Home, dropping @Home, billion dollar mergers. Why? Hopefully they won't decide to raise prices again. They seem to enjoy doing that. Oh yeah, and digital cable TV isn't as good as it sounds.

    Of course, I wonder. The article says, "..and leaves AT&T with its shrinking consumer and business long-distance telephone and data operations." Are they TRYING to destroy themselves? Sell a good chunk of the customers! Raise prices! Drop out half our customer's internet service for a week and replace it with slower service! This does not sound like a good company.

    1. Re:AT&T in Cash Town by aka-ed · · Score: 2, Informative
      The article says, "..and leaves AT&T with its shrinking consumer and business long-distance telephone and data operations." Are they TRYING to destroy themselves? Sell a good chunk of the customers! Raise prices! Drop out half our customer's internet service for a week and replace it with slower service! This does not sound like a good company.

      AT&T has been aware that its core businesses are shrinking, have been aware for a long time. The big purchase of broadband interests was Michael Armstrong's plan to reposition the company.

      But these businesses were purchased at the peak of the Bubble. Much debt accrued. And the Bubble burst. Hence the need to sell, in order to service the debt that is crushing the company. Hence also the need for AT&T to try to price services in a way that will minimize their loss per customer.

      You're right, the company is in godawful shape, but if you understand the forces at work, it's not difficult to understand why.

      --
      I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
  41. MSFT wins out [bg ingo] by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As an ATT Broadband subscriber for TV, Internet, and PHONE, I can say that I have been following this case very closely. To sum up the whole bidding wars: its basically AOL vs. MSFT.

    AOL was heavily looking into buying the corp which made MSFT very scared. MSFT's entire coming business plans rely on broadband: .NET, My services, even the Xbox cant be fully used without broadband. Earlier, Bill Gates said he thought the BB market was moving to slowly. If AOL were to get the deal, MSFT's plans would be severly crippled.

    MSFT started backing COX and COMCAST in the bidwars. I can say I am thankful that comcast won, even though its basically the least of the two evils (AOL vs. MSFT).

    This deal is a lot more important than just ATT. It could play a huge role in both AOL and MSFT's core strategies.

    --
    the byproduct of years of oppression by the white man
  42. Re:Hmm, my list of TV channels is going to shrink by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 1

    Do you have Digital Cable or regular? ATT is pushing digital cable hard and thus cutting back its regular channels.

    Digital cable is a pretty good deal though. I get about 300 channels of programming (including all HBO's, cinemax, etc), Cable modem, and local phone line for about $110 a month. not a bad deal.

    --
    the byproduct of years of oppression by the white man
  43. 22 Million Customers... by thesolo · · Score: 2

    That's almost twice as many as AOL.

    So does this mean AOL will finally change their f!@#ing "No Wonder It's Number 1!!" Slogan?!

    If so, that makes this merger fine by me ;)

    1. Re:22 Million Customers... by segfault7375 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      You might want to check your facts. AOL has over 30 million members.

      http://www.aoltimewarner.com/about/companies/ameri caonline.html

    2. Re:22 Million Customers... by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2
      You might want to check your definitions.

      If you count cable subscribers then:

      If you count Internet access then:

    3. Re:22 Million Customers... by dohcvtec · · Score: 1

      Actually, AOL says "So easy to use" no wonder it's number 1! Just like their newest commercial, where some lady says "Don't be a chicken, it's easy." As long as ATT/Comcast doesn't try to make it "easy" it's fine by me.

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      -- Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat.
  44. Wait... by sg3000 · · Score: 1

    I read all the stories and I still can't figure it out? Is my email domain changing again? home.com -> attbi.com -> urscrewed.com

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    Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
  45. Lost the big technical/service gamble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Armstrong's big play when he came into AT&T and bought the Broadband and Wireless businesses and announced the Fixed Wireless development was that AT&T would be able to stop needing the LECs to access a large fraction of US telephone users, saving boatloads of money and creating real competition. (Similarly, the Northpoint DSL buy and the Covad-based DSL services play wiht that.) The technical developments that were needed to make all three-four networks play together were substantial, and they weren't successfully implemented - they got distracted by the Cable Openness political fiasco, and the cable tv networks were a technically bad patchwork instead of an integrated system, and IP telephony technology was much farther away from practical scalable working equipment than they needed to win, but fundamentally they had to get out of the old telco architectural mindsets and the old long distance telephony business mindsets. Doing the job right requires radically changing the architecture and barbequeing their cash cow before somebody else does it - if Armstrong's big gamble had been executed well, they'd have had the bigness they need to make it possible to stick together afterwards, but it didn't happen.

  46. Timeline - AT&T History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1890s - Many small telephone companies exist in the USA. Calling from coast to coast is a slow, tedious process

    1900s - AT&T is formed as a union between the various telephone companies, and becomes "the telephone company"

    1900-1983 - AT&T network is built. While originally something only the rich and technically elite and adept have, the telephone soon becomes an fixture in every American home. Enormous technological advances enable faster, more reliable calling. Despite the size and complexity of the AT&T "Bell System", the "One company, universal service" concept enables quick, easy and reliable service coast to coast

    1983-84 - AT&T is declared a monopoly and is ordered to divest itself of its local service providers and stick to providing long distance services. While this move created competition, it also created confusion and a general decline in the quality of service provided by long distance carriers and local phone companies. Cost cutting measures result even worse service to the customer. Calling coast to coast can become a slow and tedious process.

    1995 - The online world exists in the form of local BBSes and various online networks such as CompuServe, Delphi, GEnie etc. Sending messages and communicating from network to network is a slow and tedious process. The Internet becomes available to the general public, linking up these disconnected resources into one common network, allowing information to pass from network to network easily.

    1995-2001 - The Internet, once something only the rich and technically elite and adept have, soon becomes a fixture throughout the world. Enormous technical advances allow faster, more reliable network connections. Despite the Inernet's size, the universal TCP/IP standard ensures quick, reliable information flow between computers around the world.

    2002 - AT&T begins purchasing local ISPs and nationwide service providers and soon becomes "the Internet company."

    2003 - AT&T is once again declared a monopoly and is ordered to divest itself into separate companies. Individual regional networks form separate from nation and world wide "long haul" networks, giving the customers the choice of who carries their data around the world. Cost cutting measures cause a decline in the quality and reliability of various internet providers.

    Any paralells?

    -Wembley

  47. HDTV over cable by mmcconnell1618 · · Score: 1

    I read that Comcast is offering HDTV signals over cable to some customers in PA. Any guesses on if this will get rolled out to AT&T Customers?

  48. What about me? by release7 · · Score: 1

    I'm a MediaOne, er, no I mean AT&T customer, er, uh, wait, Comcast customer...

    I just want to know if I'm still going to be able to keep my blah@mediaone.net address until 2020 when M$ provides my service.

    --

    <a href="http://www.joblessjimmy.com">Work is dumb and so is Jobless Jimmy.</a>

  49. well, la-di-fuckin-da by flamenco_spork · · Score: 1, Funny
    I'm so fucking glad you live in happy utopia land where the whiles and guiles of the rest of the world leaves you unscathed.

    --
    I am not on crack, damnit.

  50. Looks like AT&T should have... by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

    offered a little more for @HOME. If they had, they'd probably be solidly on top of the Broadband heap (as well as solidly in debt). Refer to this article for more info.

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    1. Re:Looks like AT&T should have... by alsta · · Score: 2

      For two reasons I am glad they didn't.

      1) The AT&T network suffers from less latency. The @Home network was terrible. For you Quakers out there, I am speaking of pings ranging from 50 to 200 with @Home and generally under 40 for AT&T Broadband.

      2) AT&T would have a cable Internet monopoly. Well, it turns out that they are going in that direction anyway, but still...

      I doubt that the two reasons I gave you had anything to do with the decision to ditch @Home. It was probably some financial aspect involved as well, such as @Home wanting a lot more than they had charged previously. And then there is the case with Armstrong...

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      Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. -Ayn Rand
    2. Re:Looks like AT&T should have... by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

      Well, I'm not a guy to go around rooting for a monopoly but, it would've been interesting to see a monopolist AT&T going up against a monopolist Microsoft - seeing as Microsoft's future seems to be .NET.

      Maybe in an alternate universe... maybe IBM would've chosen CP/M, maybe IBM would've kept a tighter reign on their OS/2 contractor (Microsoft) and not let them release a home version - Windows, maybe AT&T would've offered a bit more for @HOME, maybe AL GORE would've been president (hic) and Microsoft would probably not have been slapped on the wrist and let off so easily.

      I dunno... maybe.

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      Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
  51. Re:It never ends... But there's some good news. by release7 · · Score: 1

    Your post needs correction. From the NY Times:

    In a deal that would create a cable giant with more than 22 million subscribers, AT&T agreed to sell its broadband unit to Comcast for about $47 billion in stock

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    <a href="http://www.joblessjimmy.com">Work is dumb and so is Jobless Jimmy.</a>

  52. AOL is screwed by WildBeast · · Score: 1

    MS screwed AOL once again :)

    1. Re:AOL is screwed by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

      AOL has been screwed since day one. They have painted themselves into a very colorful corner and can't get out. Think about this: They're whole business is based on software that is tied to their executioner - Microsoft.

      They never learn! You sleep with Microsoft, you get burned. For example: Spyglass, Sybase, Novell, Citrix, Norton, and now probably AOL. Norton is still around but...

      How many of you remember these days?

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      Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
    2. Re:AOL is screwed by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2
      AOL has been screwed since day one. They have painted themselves into a very colorful corner and can't get out. Think about this: They're whole business is based on software that is tied to their executioner - Microsoft.

      BZZZT! The Time Warner in AOL Time Warner now is the biggest revenue contributor. Yes AOL's online service is beholden to MS, but this is not the "whole" business for them, not by a longshot. Arguably AOL is now more of an intellectual property arbiter with the huge assets Time Warner brought to the table. Look who is succeeding Gerald Levin - Parsons from Time Warner, not Pittman from AOL. Hint hint.

    3. Re:AOL is screwed by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

      Ouch! Watch that zapper buddy.

      I was speaking of the *part* of AOL Time Warner that is "AOL". That part stands to wither quite rapidly if Microsoft wants them to.

      I figure that the Netscape investment was a kind of "you screw me I'll screw you" type of thing against Microsoft. Microsoft originally jumped ahead of Netscape, in marketshare, because AOL jumped in bed with Microsoft - by adopting Internet Explorer as it's browser. Now AOL is holding a new card by slyly suggesting that they'll use Netscape as their browser if Microsoft trys anything. Such a move would shuffle the numbers of browser users nicely in Netscape's favor.

      Microsoft is now playing footsie with the Broadband business in a play against AOL. If Microsoft gets their hands on the infrastructure then AOL is a dead plucked chicken and they know it.
      Remember, there can be only one. What will happen to UNIX if Microsoft slowly takes over the internet? I hope to GOD I don't have to see it happen.

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      Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
    4. Re:AOL is screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I hope to GOD I don't have to see it happen.

      Shy of our death, it will most likely be seen by all of us. M$ is very good at long term plans. AOL held back on switching browsers and it is rapidly becoming too late. RealNetwork and Intuit will be next. Many of these companies need to think about 3 - 5 moves ahead. They all seem to think only the next one. Real, AOL, and Intuit would do well to spend the effort on Linux but they won't. They seem to really beleive that they can compete against M$ in M$'s back yard. All of these ppl should be shot. As much as I despise M$, I do admire many of the top ppl from them who are capable of thinking how to work with some of the worst software there is

    5. Re:AOL is screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux isn't the answer. Until Linux can be used by your mother (without your help), then it won't be relevant on the desktop. Real, AOL, and Intuit's market are people that use whatever is the prevalent desktop OS. That unfortunately happens to be Windows.

    6. Re:AOL is screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my mom cant use windows 98 without my help

    7. Re:AOL is screwed by mickeyreznor · · Score: 1

      MS or AOL, really is there that much of a difference?

      we're fucked either way. Would you like to die by hanging or would you like to be shot by a firing squad.

    8. Re:AOL is screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother needs help using Windows
      and my 68 y.o. father installed Linux on his own.
      He tells me that it was easier than win2000 or ME or 98 or 95.
      He uses Quicken and Lotus organizer but is now
      looking at alternatives on linux since they have not
      ported. My guess is that by the time they port, it will
      be too little, too late. And they will almost
      certainly try to make it similar to how it runs
      on M$ which is doing the same mistake that the mainframers
      did when moving quickly to M$ (almost all of them
      died).

  53. What IS a company anyway? by release7 · · Score: 1

    I've often heard it said that Nike doesn't sell sneakers, they sell the brand identity feeling that goes with buying $110 worth of rubber, string, and glue. AT&T is simply taking things to the next level: they are a company that doesn't sell anything except to create and "brand" other Fortune 500 companies and spin them off.

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    <a href="http://www.joblessjimmy.com">Work is dumb and so is Jobless Jimmy.</a>

  54. Phone Service by bingeldac · · Score: 1

    As much as I moan about the problems that come about from being an AT&T broadband subscriber the one glimer of hope was my good long distance rate. I can not believe AT&T did not cut a deal to keep the phone service portion of AT&T broadband. They have been fighting for years to get local phone service into home accross the nation, but now they are just giving up. It is a shame that so many good business/tech people have lost their jobs in the past year, but a company like AT&T is able to make billion dollar blunders because they are still living off of the wealth and status they gained 30 years ago.

  55. Re:It never ends... But there's some good news. by ShadeEagle · · Score: 1

    The linked story specifically reads:

    AT&T Corp. said it would sell its cable television unit to Comcast Corp. for about $72 billion in stock and debt, creating a massive cable operator with more than 22 million subscribers.

    The $72 billion is made up of $47 billion in stock and $20 billion in debt, among some other details.

    If another source is telling the story differently, then that's just fine. My comments were and are based upon the story linked in the article.

  56. Re:They brought them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Generally, yes, this would be true.

    However, under current crack smoking rules (clearly in force @ s--s-s-s-lashhhhDOT), the only thing you need to be able to do is hammer a keyboard...and not necessarily with your fingers.

    A pointed head will have the same effect.

    Sign on wall calendar in /. dorm room:

    "Friday! bill for online ads....buy more crack..."

  57. more sports games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast has actually grown a lot within the past few years to include a large range of businesses....including the fact that they own majority interests in the philadelpia 76ers and flyers as well as quite a few minor league teams (quite a few with the Baltimore O's)....since I believe that most of AT&T was on the west coast, maybe a whole new region will get to see how bad these teams suck....
    On a positive note, I've never had a problem with Comcast's broadband (Still using @home for the time being of course, but none of those annoying bandwith restrictions)

  58. If they cap me. . . by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

    I seriously hope this does not mean the end of my uncappe download speeds. If I get a cap like other ATT users, I'm gonna be pretty mad. Not that long ago, I had no upload cap, and I got 10 times the upload capacity has i have now (I could get 150k/s, thats 1.2 mbps). Seems like no matter what happens things never improve with time. . .

  59. Media merger mania - when will it end? by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 3, Informative
    TCI buys Viacom cable. AT&T buys TCI cable. Comcast buys AT&T cable. All in less than a decade.

    Always a good time to see who owns what

  60. Hmm. by CrazyBrett · · Score: 1

    So maybe THIS is why my connection has been down since last night...?

    -- Brett

  61. At&T Broadband service in Atlanta by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 1

    Here in Atlanta AT&T Broadband has been playing a series of ads about cable theft. All well and good, but last week's Atlanta Journal/Constitution had a story about AT&T cutting off legitimate (i.e. paying) users and then having them arrested.

    I used to have a cable modem from them (their RoadRunner service) and it *sucked*. Their customer service is equally sucky - just try any of their customer support lines.

    Hmmmmm. An organization I that provides sucky service and causes innocent people to be arrested. Sounds like the IRS.

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    668: Neighbour of the Beast
  62. Good by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AT&T sucks. They have managed to purchase a decent cable/broadband company and singlehandedly run it into the ground. Since AT&T's purchase of Mediaone, we've been subjected to increased downtime, crappy digital cable service, slow internet, awful customer service, all with them raising prices across the board. their digital box is the size of a VCR, has no hi-fi outputs (not that it matters, most of the channels are still analog), was designed 4 years ago, and the SLOW ASS interface is worse than my grandma's WebTV.

    Crap. I just needed to rant about how much they sucked. Hopefully Comcast can improve the service a little. Personally I'll be happy if they can go for 6 months without changing their name. Since I subscribed, I had MediaOne for about 3 months, my cable was called MediaOne RoadRunner. Then it was AT&T Broadband, with AT&T RoadRunner for internet. Then the Internet was CALLED AT&T@Home, even though it was really the AT&T Broadband Internet network. Now it's called AT&TBI.

    1. Re:Good by Frequanaut · · Score: 1

      Forget it. Things aren't gonna change.

      As an example, I live in downtown Boston. I now have service from comcast. They are my third cable provider in 2 years. (I haven't changed cable companies, they've changed on me).

      Nothing has changed. In fact things only got worse since all improvements (read digital cable and internet access) were now 'put on hold indefinitely' while they figured out what the hell they could still afford to do.

      But, more importantly than that:
      Just because the company has changed, don't assume all the momos running around working for your local cable company have changed.
      Neither have the momos woken up the next morning and said "Hey, It's a brand new day and I'm working for a brand new company. Maybe I won't suck so much ass today".

    2. Re:Good by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 2

      Well, one thing's for sure - it got a lot worse after AT&T bought out M1 and raised prices while slashing quality of service. Did they think it's easy to just march into the cable game without any experience? Come on, they outsourced their telephone support to Canada I heard.

      Then there was this weird obsession with your "@Home content" when @Home tanked.. they spent millions of dollars on communications, all with the purpose of telling me that my @Home content was going to be inaccessible. Does that mean my cable modem would stop working? No, it means my FUCKING PORTAL HOME PAGE at Excite was going away.

      Good thing they told me about that one, boy, I don't know what I would do if they didn't tell me how to type in "www.yahoo.com" into my browser. I am not kidding, this is the "workaround" they suggested because my "@Home content" was going away. Guys, it's a home page that nobody even used. This summer they also spent god knows how much money changing all their language to read @Home, and integrating the @Home subscriber agreement into the old Mediaone RR agreement.

      I really shouldn't say this, but I don't see how it could get worse with Comcast. At least they have been in the cable biz for a little while now. If it does get any worse, well, DirecTV and DSL are looking better every day. Right now I have 3 choices in my area, DirecTV DSL, Verizon DSL (who also sucks but the DSL service is ok), and Earthlink DSL.

  63. Servers? by supabeast! · · Score: 1

    If this means that they will start restricting my incoming traffic like AT&T does to many of their customers, I am going to be PISSED.

  64. Do we have just one Cable company already? by gokubi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AOL, owner of CNN/Money, also lost out in its attempt to buy back AT&T's 25.5 percent stake in its Time Warner Entertainment unit, which includes Warner Brothers studios, HBO and its cable operations. That stake will become part of AT&T Comcast...

    The largest cable company in the US owns 25% of the second largest cable company in the US.

    Will Comcast seriously compete with Warner when it may be in their financial interest not to?

    Choice in the market is good, unless they decide it's better for us to have no choice.

    --
    I'm much funnier now that I'm a subscriber.
  65. How does this affect Mediacom? by ClubStew · · Score: 2

    In my area, here in central Iowa (Ames), Mediacom bought AT&T Digital Cable and Broadband, and in many other places around here. What's confusing me is did Mediacom buy out all of AT&T's digital services or just in the midwest? With stories like these, I get confused. I assume the buy-out was semi-local, but how will this affect Mediacom Broadband, formerly AT&T Broadband?

  66. Re:It never ends... But there's some good news. by Oblio · · Score: 1

    I'm in the same region as you and I absolutely agree, M.One RR was GREAT!

    The switchover to comcast has been fairly good, though it looks like I'm now getting TOSed when accessing the local newsservers (which I didn't before).

    They announced forthcoming terms of service changes (regarding bandwidth) that were supposed to be posted Dec 10, but are still not up. An email to their tech support on the subject got me into some kind of dante inspired paradox which leaves me forever unanswered and always being passed to someone else.

    At least their dial-in cust support is ok.

    This stuff with the email addresses is kinda a snafu, but I don't use those addresses anyway...

    Ah well...

    --
    Pax -- Ob
  67. No News(group) is bad news for comcast users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch out for declining service levels! Last week Comcast informed it's @home members that when they migrate to comcast.net in the next couple of weeks, they will no longer have newsgroup access. This not a feature comcast will offer. I wonder if AT&T will bring this to the new company, or will their members also be left out.

  68. Re:or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could sit around an masturbate all day long!

    to the religious channels?

  69. Re:Hmm, my list of TV channels is going to shrink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes you get analog cable.
    The world is switching to Digital cable.
    and your richie-rich exclusive "lifestyle neighborhood" will actually have to pay for cable like the rest of us.

    quit bitching and pay $60-75 a month like the rest of us.

  70. Re:AT&T Killed Excite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A good articule in the SF Chronicule about how AT&T used it's power to buy enough stock to force a person on the board of Excite. This person then ordered an upgrade to all equipment that ran into the billions of dollars that bankrupted Excite. Six months latter this person was back working for AT&T. I'm sorry but I forget his name.
    Now AT&T cuts bandwidth by a factor of four and still charges me the same. I personally am not going to use AT&T for my phone and I am looking into other ways to get TV. Also because the cable is now at the same speed as DSL I will see about getting a different provider. I would rather pay more and not get F__KED then to pay less and have to bend over.

  71. Only 3 days of forwarding of email by justsomecomputerguy · · Score: 1

    Comcast is making a really bad first impression on Mediaone users in the Metro-Detroit area: They are only forwarding email from Mediaone accounts for three days to the forced new Comcast accounts. After that, nothing. All the contacts you've made, all the subscriptions to newsletters, all the customers or potential employers looking at your just a week old resumes or business cards or brochures will simply have to wonder where the heck you went. More details in the local Newspaper at Detroit Freepress Hope my access speed doesn't drop too much...

    1. Re:Only 3 days of forwarding of email by justsomecomputerguy · · Score: 1

      An update to my earlier comment: Latest email from Comcast to me today has changed the forwarding to go until Feb 28, 2002 which is a much more reasonable amount of time. And so far the connection rate has not slowed down. Maybe it will be a good new year for my internet access after all...

  72. AT&T was great compared to Comcast by kentall · · Score: 1

    I recently moved from California where I had AT&T Broadband. Unlike most AT&T customers, my experience with Customer Service and installers was fairly painless. The actual Internet service was fast and reliable. Now I live in the Florida panhandle and have Comcast cable and Internet. I waited in line for 2 hours at the mall store to sign up for cable and they still did not install it when I moved in. Comcast Phone Customer Service required waiting for over 2 hours. It is has been 10 days and I still do not have a strong enough signal to stay 'always on' the Internet. Think things will improve with Comcast buying AT&T broadband. HA! The first thing they will do is to change the first 2 channels on your cable QVC since they are the same company...