You really think selling a device below cost (especially once you factor in reseller margins, shipping costs, etc) is a viable business model in the long run...?
If this is successful, Motorola/LG/HTC/Nokia/RIMM will basically be screwed as well - can be sued over the same patents *ANY TIME SAMSUNG FEELS LIKE IT*
*shrug* Facts are facts regardless of who says it. OP claims there's no patent exhaustion. If OP can't show any evidence, then OP is talking out of his or her ass.
Whatever else you may thin of fosspatents, it *is* possible to find other sources, or even go to the court itself and read up on what was actually wrote about patent exhaustion if OP thinks it is full of horse shit.
I don't understand why people continue to make nonsense arguments that even the courts have found to be hogwash.
Samsung licenses the patents to Qualcomm. And then tells Qualcomm and Apple that *ONLY APPLE* does not have a patent license, every other customer of Qualcomm has.
You claim otherwise - what do you base your argument on?
"Furthermore, the court held that Samsung cannot assert 3G/UMTS patents against the iPhone 4S due to patent exhaustion: Apple is licensed by extension since it purchases baseband chips from Qualcomm, and Samsung's attempt to terminate its license agreement with Qualcomm as far as third-party beneficiary Apple is concerned failed because Samsung had make a commitment to ETSI, the standards body in charge of 3G, that it would grant irrevocable licenses to its 3G/UMTS-essential patents."
Why not actually read what happened? Qualcomm licensed those patents from Samsung. Everyone else buys chips from Qualcomm and these chips included the damned patent licenses (or else why would you buy them?)
Samsung then throws a hissy fit and claims Apple does not have a right to use those patents and need to license them separately.
Have you not see the words "patent exhaustion" discussed at all? Sheesh.
Steve, you don't know how exciting it was to sit down at my first Apple ][ (compatible) back when I was 13. I had joined a computer club, and had to be shown how to how to turn it on, and learnt from a simple Apple ][ program on what a computer is, how disk drives work, etc.
I was a fan of the Apple ][ for such a long time (refusing to buy a mac for the longest time, living in the Linux wilderness:):))
So yes, a great big thank you, for creating products that made technology exciting and giving me a jump on my career.
I would love to see any comments on how a 65C816 compares to the processors of the day (the 80286 and 68020) and any comments on the 65C832 that was taped out, and what do you think would have happened if the 65Cxxx line had continued.
Would also like to know what you think of GNO/ME - the UNIX environment for the Apple//gs
-- loved the Apple ][ line, and have two WOZ//gs's:)
So? Call it the right name and make it a required class. Intro to computers has a lot more things than just Microsoft Office, no matter how important you think it is.
You appear to think that all phones must have that one or two features that Apple patented. I wonder how smartphones functioned before those patents were used.
I also wonder how Microsoft is going to sell their new tablets and phones without the features in those patents...
Not to take away from their mistakes, but, one of the good things iOS brought to smartphones was a full fledged browser, so that means you can go to http://maps.google.com/...
A friend commented on FB that a problem (even a serious one like this) with a usable workaround (or use non-3D maps) is lower on the bad scale, compared to non-Nexus Android phones that do not receive timely security patches or upgrades. I have to agree with him.
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Even the iPhone has it glued down, but it's easily removed (there's even a plastic tab on the battery to help you pull it out)
Uh, you mean something like this?
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Mid-2011-Battery/6359/1
Remove some screws, and lift the battery out, done...? Is it really that difficult?
You really think selling a device below cost (especially once you factor in reseller margins, shipping costs, etc) is a viable business model in the long run...?
are you asking if it's illegal? Wasn't there a recent trial by jury...? Wait, is copyright and patent violation now a civil or criminal issue...?
well, android fanbois are trying to justify the lawsuits and so come up with arguments that do not make sense and have no basis in reality.
I just wish they could have came up with more reasonable arguments or admit that Samsung is clutching at straws on this.
If this is successful, Motorola/LG/HTC/Nokia/RIMM will basically be screwed as well - can be sued over the same patents *ANY TIME SAMSUNG FEELS LIKE IT*
*shrug* Facts are facts regardless of who says it. OP claims there's no patent exhaustion. If OP can't show any evidence, then OP is talking out of his or her ass.
Whatever else you may thin of fosspatents, it *is* possible to find other sources, or even go to the court itself and read up on what was actually wrote about patent exhaustion if OP thinks it is full of horse shit.
You are trying to make sense and logical arguments. That is going to spoil the name for all Anonymous Cowards from now onwards!! :)
I don't understand why people continue to make nonsense arguments that even the courts have found to be hogwash.
Samsung licenses the patents to Qualcomm. And then tells Qualcomm and Apple that *ONLY APPLE* does not have a patent license, every other customer of Qualcomm has.
You claim otherwise - what do you base your argument on?
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/samsung-suffers-second-and-even-more.html says:
"Furthermore, the court held that Samsung cannot assert 3G/UMTS patents against the iPhone 4S due to patent exhaustion: Apple is licensed by extension since it purchases baseband chips from Qualcomm, and Samsung's attempt to terminate its license agreement with Qualcomm as far as third-party beneficiary Apple is concerned failed because Samsung had make a commitment to ETSI, the standards body in charge of 3G, that it would grant irrevocable licenses to its 3G/UMTS-essential patents."
Why not actually read what happened? Qualcomm licensed those patents from Samsung. Everyone else buys chips from Qualcomm and these chips included the damned patent licenses (or else why would you buy them?)
Samsung then throws a hissy fit and claims Apple does not have a right to use those patents and need to license them separately.
Have you not see the words "patent exhaustion" discussed at all? Sheesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustion_doctrine
So internal documents telling Samsung what to copy, and Google itself telling Samsung "you're copying too much, stop" is simply things you disregard?
Talk about cognitive dissonance...
I remember you were the one who hired Captain Crunch :) :) And the wonderful Cat Modem 300 :)
Steve, you don't know how exciting it was to sit down at my first Apple ][ (compatible) back when I was 13. I had joined a computer club, and had to be shown how to how to turn it on, and learnt from a simple Apple ][ program on what a computer is, how disk drives work, etc.
I was a fan of the Apple ][ for such a long time (refusing to buy a mac for the longest time, living in the Linux wilderness :) :))
So yes, a great big thank you, for creating products that made technology exciting and giving me a jump on my career.
I would love to see any comments on how a 65C816 compares to the processors of the day (the 80286 and 68020) and any comments on the 65C832 that was taped out, and what do you think would have happened if the 65Cxxx line had continued.
Would also like to know what you think of GNO/ME - the UNIX environment for the Apple //gs
-- loved the Apple ][ line, and have two WOZ //gs's :)
*wavy magic tech* Isn't that what inertial dampeners are for?
So? Call it the right name and make it a required class. Intro to computers has a lot more things than just Microsoft Office, no matter how important you think it is.
For one whole semester? Seriously?
This is not an Intro to computer class. This is an Intro to Microsoft Office class.
There is a BIG DAMNED DIFFERENCE.
He might be enjoying it - could be a masochist...
"that shipped with a phone".
Honestly, I don't remember if Opera shipped with any phones or was it a separate download.
You appear to think that all phones must have that one or two features that Apple patented. I wonder how smartphones functioned before those patents were used.
I also wonder how Microsoft is going to sell their new tablets and phones without the features in those patents...
Better let Microsoft know that their Windows Phone and Tablets are going to be killed by Apple
You seem to forget that Safari was the first browser that shipped with a phone that is a full fledged browser. Are you trying to rewrite history?
this may help
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3137431&cid=41426091
Not to take away from their mistakes, but, one of the good things iOS brought to smartphones was a full fledged browser, so that means you can go to http://maps.google.com/ ...
A friend commented on FB that a problem (even a serious one like this) with a usable workaround (or use non-3D maps) is lower on the bad scale, compared to non-Nexus Android phones that do not receive timely security patches or upgrades. I have to agree with him.