you assume computers generally outlive printers (true, IME)
Maybe those throwaway ink jet printers, but my main printers are Epson KXP-1124 dot matrix, from circa 1994. Here at work we still have plenty of LaserJet 4 series printers. Our high speed dot matrix line printer is from sometime in the late 80s. Of course you can use network print servers, which is what I do, which kinda makes the whole argument moot, but I take issue with you saying that computers outlive printers, in my experience the opposite is almost always true.
Native formats are the best thing for making shure that you keep the intended formating.
I guess we should just ditch all the Postscript and PDF silliness. If only we had known that transferring incompatible native formats was the best way to preserve layout intention!
You are both correct in a way. The japanese accident was an example of what you speak of, unintentional criticality, the reactor I spoke of "going critical" actually went supercritical in a spectacular way.
I'm checking out that LANL PDF now, thanks for the link... BTW- Whats the deal with people putting up 10 meg PDFs these days? Do they just assume everyone is on broadband or what?
You'd think the submitter would at least read the article. It says right in there that it's been in development since before 1995, "In fact Boa is one of the oldest web servers in constant development".
Neither does HTML, you hard-headed nitwit, yet WYSIWYG HTML editors have been around for nearly a decade now.
HTML is nothing like Docbook or any other pure XML/SGML implementation that enforces a good seperation of presentation and content. HTML is tainted with tons of presentation information.
You strike me as someone who has never even written a docbook.
Hmmmm.... You really think someone is going to take a t-shirt that says "Dangerous when wet" seriously? Besides, those shirts aren't the focus of the site, the nuclear test shirts are.
I could understand if I was selling placard signs or something for people to put in their dorm rooms... But I think any reasonable person would know such a shirt was a spoof.
I'll probably stick to "criticality incident" in the future.
I actually was dimly aware that I really meant "runaway supercriticality", but when translating to lay terms it's easy to slip up and overgeneralize to the point of inaccuracy.
The last couple weeks I have been knee deep in research about nuclear testing working on my web site (Buy a nuclear testing shirt! My kid's gotta eat!)
The only test I can think of offhand that was in New Mexico was the original Trinity bomb that was set off pre-Hiroshima.
There were, however, several criticality accidents at Los Alamos, and several "downwind incidents" in Nevada around the same time.
See the "history" page on my site for a description of the Army SL-1 that went critical in Idaho in the 60s. That's one I didn't learn about until recently, and apparently it was a pretty hot one too. The more I research into this, the more amazed I am about the amount of contamination there is scattered around the US, and on the islands we ran tests on.
The presentation is more than just typefaces and formatting, in docbook it goes as far as what gets put on what HTML page, and how they are linked together, or even if some structures are omitted from the presentation.
You have one docbook file that get broken up into make multiple HTML files, or a single TXT file, or whatever.
You designate sections/chapters/whatever, and the presentation decides how to parse those. The point is that only the structure of the document is defined, nothing is assumed about presentation. Nothing at all!
A tool could be developed to assist this, by basically making sure you don't nest improperly, or use tags in an invalid context, or even give you a hint about what some things will look like on the final output using a common style sheet, but ultimately there is no way to approach even close to WYSIWYG.
And no offense intended likewise, but the "average person" shouldn't be trying to write XML documents if they can't understand the concept of seperating content from presentation.
You are missing the point, the whole point is to seperate the content from presentation. WYSIWYG is totally contrary to that. I'd go as far as to say that it's entirely impossible to have such a Docbook editor, since you have pretty much no say in the presentation when you write it. It's the same with any good implementation of XML.
en-casing the radio chassis in copper shielding would then definitely keep the oscillator signal inside
The enemy would know what frequencies we were listening to. That would get them one step closer to breaking our encryption and listening to our messages.
As a member of the military, I'd hope you would know what TEMPEST was all about.
OK, who here hasn't at least tried to write self replicating code in.BAT? I know that was a great pasttime in 1992-3 for me and my friends.
It's an interesting challenge... the best we came up with in our younger years was code that would name itself the old name of the.COM or.EXE as a way of "infecting" the program...
Of course we never attempted to distribute our creations... not like they would make it far if we had tried anyway.
The whole point of the web (in theory) is that you as a programmer only provide sugesstions as to how to present the data, and the client has the final say. I don't know where people got the idea that they should have total control over how their site looks on the client side.
Now, browsers making stupid or broken choices about how to render standards compliant code... that's another issue entirely.
If they used some sort of balanced tree algorithm, it could scale to many GBs before failing. Of course, this is MS we are talking about here, it's probably a bubble sorted list that gets resorted on each update.
I sorta got that impression from their FAQ that said something like "If you are looking to get something for a lot less than it's worth, don't waste your time and ours."
Most of my experience is with storage unit auctions, I really get into those when I have some extra cash.
It seems the opposite is true there, anything with a power supply goes for pennies on the dollar, but furniture and hard goods get bid up a little high, especially if they look like real wood and not that pressboard junk.
That's for the ones where they actually unload the unit before bidding and let you bid on lots they make up on the spot, which is exceptional, but my favorite kind. Most unit auctions are blind, you just get to stick your head in the unit, then they start the bidding.
Different class of bidders of course, I've seen people at storage unit auctions that I have a hard time believing they even have a house capable of containing the amount of junk they buy.:)
I even saw people bid up a unit full of dirty old matresses once. That was about the most hilarious thing. I bet the previous owner of the unit just saw it as a cheap way to dispose of the things, since the landfill makes you pay to get rid of that kind of stuff, and charities won't touch those.
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Since Linux is the current tech media darling,
Since 1998?
You BSD people really still think Linux is a fad?
pretzel_logic
And you like Steely Dan. Are you sure you aren't me?
Will you marry me?
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That should read Panasonic. I always get that mixed up because they use the epson ghostscript driver.
Not to mention that his wife's name is Melissa, not Linda.
Since when?!?
you assume computers generally outlive printers (true, IME)
Maybe those throwaway ink jet printers, but my main printers are Epson KXP-1124 dot matrix, from circa 1994. Here at work we still have plenty of LaserJet 4 series printers. Our high speed dot matrix line printer is from sometime in the late 80s. Of course you can use network print servers, which is what I do, which kinda makes the whole argument moot, but I take issue with you saying that computers outlive printers, in my experience the opposite is almost always true.
Opera probably won't ever have boneheaded things like ActiveX, or security "zones".
The problem started in earnest when they made IE and the OS one and the same.
Any browser that just browses web pages and doesn't try to be an "integrated part" of the OS will inherently be more secure than IE.
I agree with you about Openoffice, but if you are interested in strict preservation of presentation, Postscript/PDF is the only way to go.
Native formats are the best thing for making shure that you keep the intended formating.
I guess we should just ditch all the Postscript and PDF silliness. If only we had known that transferring incompatible native formats was the best way to preserve layout intention!
Ever heard of RTF?
I don't see what this quesiton is about, between HTML and RTF, both of which Office supports, there is no need for anything more.
You are both correct in a way. The japanese accident was an example of what you speak of, unintentional criticality, the reactor I spoke of "going critical" actually went supercritical in a spectacular way.
I'm checking out that LANL PDF now, thanks for the link... BTW- Whats the deal with people putting up 10 meg PDFs these days? Do they just assume everyone is on broadband or what?
You know, I've been hassling my email provider over those securityfocus bounces too. Same deal, no MX records found.
I'm thinking it may be on securityfocus' side after reading your post.
There is a pretty new and little known
You'd think the submitter would at least read the article. It says right in there that it's been in development since before 1995, "In fact Boa is one of the oldest web servers in constant development".
Neither does HTML, you hard-headed nitwit, yet WYSIWYG HTML editors have been around for nearly a decade now.
HTML is nothing like Docbook or any other pure XML/SGML implementation that enforces a good seperation of presentation and content. HTML is tainted with tons of presentation information.
You strike me as someone who has never even written a docbook.
Hmmmm.... You really think someone is going to take a t-shirt that says "Dangerous when wet" seriously? Besides, those shirts aren't the focus of the site, the nuclear test shirts are.
I could understand if I was selling placard signs or something for people to put in their dorm rooms... But I think any reasonable person would know such a shirt was a spoof.
Thanks for the clarification.
I'll probably stick to "criticality incident" in the future.
I actually was dimly aware that I really meant "runaway supercriticality", but when translating to lay terms it's easy to slip up and overgeneralize to the point of inaccuracy.
The last couple weeks I have been knee deep in research about nuclear testing working on my web site (Buy a nuclear testing shirt! My kid's gotta eat!)
The only test I can think of offhand that was in New Mexico was the original Trinity bomb that was set off pre-Hiroshima.
There were, however, several criticality accidents at Los Alamos, and several "downwind incidents" in Nevada around the same time.
See the "history" page on my site for a description of the Army SL-1 that went critical in Idaho in the 60s. That's one I didn't learn about until recently, and apparently it was a pretty hot one too. The more I research into this, the more amazed I am about the amount of contamination there is scattered around the US, and on the islands we ran tests on.
The presentation is more than just typefaces and formatting, in docbook it goes as far as what gets put on what HTML page, and how they are linked together, or even if some structures are omitted from the presentation.
You have one docbook file that get broken up into make multiple HTML files, or a single TXT file, or whatever.
You designate sections/chapters/whatever, and the presentation decides how to parse those. The point is that only the structure of the document is defined, nothing is assumed about presentation. Nothing at all!
A tool could be developed to assist this, by basically making sure you don't nest improperly, or use tags in an invalid context, or even give you a hint about what some things will look like on the final output using a common style sheet, but ultimately there is no way to approach even close to WYSIWYG.
And no offense intended likewise, but the "average person" shouldn't be trying to write XML documents if they can't understand the concept of seperating content from presentation.
You are missing the point, the whole point is to seperate the content from presentation. WYSIWYG is totally contrary to that. I'd go as far as to say that it's entirely impossible to have such a Docbook editor, since you have pretty much no say in the presentation when you write it. It's the same with any good implementation of XML.
en-casing the radio chassis in copper shielding would then definitely keep the oscillator signal inside
The enemy would know what frequencies we were listening to. That would get them one step closer to breaking our encryption and listening to our messages.
As a member of the military, I'd hope you would know what TEMPEST was all about.
I was going to correct all the errors, but see the AC that is the parent of this message for a better explanation than I could probably do.
OK, who here hasn't at least tried to write self replicating code in .BAT? I know that was a great pasttime in 1992-3 for me and my friends.
.COM or .EXE as a way of "infecting" the program...
It's an interesting challenge... the best we came up with in our younger years was code that would name itself the old name of the
Of course we never attempted to distribute our creations... not like they would make it far if we had tried anyway.
refusing to render my site correctly.
The whole point of the web (in theory) is that you as a programmer only provide sugesstions as to how to present the data, and the client has the final say. I don't know where people got the idea that they should have total control over how their site looks on the client side.
Now, browsers making stupid or broken choices about how to render standards compliant code... that's another issue entirely.
If they used some sort of balanced tree algorithm, it could scale to many GBs before failing. Of course, this is MS we are talking about here, it's probably a bubble sorted list that gets resorted on each update.
I sorta got that impression from their FAQ that said something like "If you are looking to get something for a lot less than it's worth, don't waste your time and ours."
:)
Most of my experience is with storage unit auctions, I really get into those when I have some extra cash.
It seems the opposite is true there, anything with a power supply goes for pennies on the dollar, but furniture and hard goods get bid up a little high, especially if they look like real wood and not that pressboard junk.
That's for the ones where they actually unload the unit before bidding and let you bid on lots they make up on the spot, which is exceptional, but my favorite kind. Most unit auctions are blind, you just get to stick your head in the unit, then they start the bidding.
Different class of bidders of course, I've seen people at storage unit auctions that I have a hard time believing they even have a house capable of containing the amount of junk they buy.
I even saw people bid up a unit full of dirty old matresses once. That was about the most hilarious thing. I bet the previous owner of the unit just saw it as a cheap way to dispose of the things, since the landfill makes you pay to get rid of that kind of stuff, and charities won't touch those.