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Excuse me, is this the service entrance? We just posted about Microsoft blocking gamers with mod-chipped X-boxes from the Microsoft-run online gaming service; now NiteStar writes "Xbox-Scene.com just reported that a group of Xbox hackers named Team Assembly managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox ..."
Not so fast, mister. The Raindog writes "Since NVIDIA announced its GeForce FX graphics chip, the web has been flooded with a slew of previews and articles that do little more than regurgitate what must have been NVIDIA's official press kit. Slashdot had coverage a few days ago, but since then, a new take on NVIDIA's latest chip has surfaced without all the PR-inspired hype. As it turns out, the GeForce FX's features aren't all that remarkable next to ATI's Radeon 9700 Pro, which has been available for months now."
I liked the old .sig about a black hole that would blot out the sun. Matthew Davis writes "CNN.com ran a story about Jim McKenna and John Lieberman back in October requesting everyone to send the CD mailers they receive to them. When they reach 1 million CDs they'll hand deliver them to AOL. In a recent article by SiliconValley.com they quote Nicholas Graham, a spokesman for AOL stating, "If they reach their goal ... I'd be happy to give them directions and greet them at the door ... We would make a contribution ourselves to put them over the top" Does that mean they're putting Jim and John's address on the top of the CD mailing list?"
Now if only these were CD-RWs ... and they can keep sending me the nice, reusable cases, just no more paper sleeves, thanks.
Still teasing, Stephen. foolish_child writes "Not sure if you noticed, but in the newest paperback pressing of Cryptonomicon (1 November 2002, I think) there is a chapter from Quicksilver at the back. I spotted it in the railway station in Amsterdam, so maybe it's a European edition. I have been checking to see if it was also online but have seen no sign of it - hence the heads up. I'm sure someone will scan it in soon - it is SUPERB! (read it waiting for a train) - Enoch the Red, emissary of the Royal Society, landing in 1700's Boston looking for . . someone. Scary thing is how good his research is as usual - I've just been reading up on Leibnitz and Newton and Co. and . . . you've probably seen it already but I wanted to share :)"
This new edition of Cryptonomicon is probably in a bookstore near you already, and the book proper is (only) several months away.
One small step for BanKind. An anonymous reader writes "It seems CapitalOne's website works with Mozilla, as of this November, 2002. This is good news because many people have CapitalOne credit cards, and previously the site required Microsoft's Intarweb Explorer. This just shows how simply speaking up by e-mailing large companies can evoke change. For more info see here ." Update: 12/03 22:00 GMT by T : Note that this information renders moot the question posed here about Cap One.
from the stupid-nitpics department
i mean, the reason they caught you is you installed a system mod.... you should be able to install ANOTHER system mod to stop them from catching you. seems obvious.
MARIJUANA, SHROOMS, X: ONLINE?! - E
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"managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox ..."
It's not really surprising that changing the only 2 identity-linked features on a piece of hardware would let you get past their blacklist.
What you should be asking yourself is: is it moral for you to go online, with your modchip, and screw over people who want to play online without dealing with cheaters? Is it? I don't think so.
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Look out for MS's righteous rage when the forged MAC addresses start colliding with existing, non-hacker users and it disrupts the Live service they've paid for! Can anyone say "bolt the door, the wolf's outside" ?
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You get a EULA that says that you can't access the online gaming forum with a modified X-Box. Then you go and circumvent that by putting a new serial number and MAC address on it, possibly depriving someone else down the line with the identical numbers of playing online.
You broke the licensing agreement in the first place by modding the box. Why do you think it's right to break it further by circumventing the agreed-upon penalty?
Everyone hates AOL CDs.
Even dogs.
If you celebrate Xmas, befriend me (538
If you send your AOL CDs back to those guys, you get what you deserve...Them send right back to you.
i bet microsoft checks for dupes on the live network. some paying customer is probably locked out now.
The usual point of a petition is to demonstrate to people the mass rejection the public are showing their idea. Returning a million AOL CDs doesn't, IMHO, do this; it just tells AOL that their brand awareness campaign is working (and I dare say AOL know how many they have made).
If you want it stopped, hit them where it hurts - put a return-to-sender sticker on them, make AOL pay for the postage, or handle them one-by-one, or see if you can use that German law about making retailers pay the cost of removing and disposing of excess packaging... I'm not a genius (I used to be, but I'm told I'm not any more) but surely we can come up with something more persuasive than a one-off dump of a large single load of CDs.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
woohoo!
Now I can buy myself an Xbox on my CaptialOne card.
I just recently (a weeka ago?) purchased the book in the US, and the Quicksilver part is in the back. Can't say I've read it yet, tho.
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So they said they changed their serial number *and* MAC address to get back on. This is interesting and points back to something someone said in a previous thread. All you need to do is to make a program to burn through serial number space and get them marked invalid, and you've got a DoS of entertaining proportions.
The other evening (without an internet connection) I was trying to install the .Net framework (dotnetfx.exe) on my laptop and since I had installed windows 98 the version of Internet Explorer was 5.00.x but due to the dependencies of the .Net framework I needed to have 5.01 or later.
As an aside, when you don't have 5.01 or later it just kills the browser that you do have installed, so it kinda causes a really fun catch-22, no browser to surf the web to find a new browser..... Really sucked.
Anyway, back with my story.... I was on a frantic search for a copy of IE 5.01 or later when I remembered that I had a stockpile of those AOL Cd's in the garage... I grabbed myself one of them (yellow, no idea what version) and proceeded to find the IE directory on the disc.. Sure enough it was version 5.01.x so I installed it and everything went smoothly from there.
So, the moral of the story? Sometimes AOL disks do have a use other than coasters or frisbees....
when you cook them in the microwave for 15 seconds. Just don't try this with anything you care about.
Karma: Censored (mostly affected by decency laws)
Team Assembly managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox
Not only that, you can arrange for any arbitrary XBox to be permanently banned!
I wonder if there's a way to pollute their blacklist with so many bogus entries that they have to give up.
cook them in the microwave for 15 seconds. Just don't try this with anything you care about.
I tried this with my hamster, Duffy, and the only sparks that flew were from my mom when she found hamster hair in the casserole.
Don't microwave things you care about, people.
Remember ATI is the 500lb Gorilla here, not NVIDIA. ATI just woke up in time to see NVIDIA trying to sneak in on its graphics card market and put the smacketh down, respectfully.
Lets see NVIDIA wake up and charge a little less that the 1/2 a grand they seem to think their metal is worth...
You're right. Thanks. I should take up drinking coffee, I guess.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
I also hate AOL and I wish to collect AOL installation disks. I have 768 so far, and I want to reach 1,000,001.
Send contributions to SmarterChild@aol.com
pirates
The interesting thing is that if you use the Preferences Toolbar (download here) to change the user-agent string to, say, NS 6.2 Lin or IE 6.0 WinXP, it works just fine.
-CF
The Saturday night before Halloween I had a costume party to go to. I remembered this Saturday morning. Or rather, Saturday afternoon since that's when I actually woke up. I had no costume.
But I did have a bunch of crap CDs, some of which were AOL CDs. So I taped them together and went as AOLandfill. Had about strips of 6-7 down each a leg, a sort of vest and a couple on my forearms. Truth be told, it did look like some low-rent Power Ranger battle armour or something, but once I said the name, people thought it was funny.
I also got to use pickup lines like
Try me free for 1000 hours for your first month!
I'm so easy to use it's no wonder I'm number one!
The terrifying part of the costume may have been how well those lines worked.
Hey, this troll is the same list that appeared in yesterday's Slashdot article "Retailers Swing DMCA To Stop 'Black Friday' Sale Info" (see this). Moderators, please DO NOT mod the parent up!
"If they reach their goal ... I'd be happy to give them directions and greet them at the door ... We would make a contribution ourselves to put them over the top" - Yes...I'm sure he would. This guy will obviously get a nice bonus check for all the money he saved his company.
"The strong will do what they want, the weak will do what they must."
-Thucydides
Once they inspect the source IP and simply reverse the transactions that occured within the past few hours. You'll likely end up removing everyone who is on your local ISP from using Live! than anything else.
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Has anyone given it a good go?
I've seen a goatse link or two.
Take a few every time you visit....aol will think idiots are signing up and restock them, and if you keep the dispensers empty, you'll being doing a public service by sparing some n00b from the awful aol experience while attriting aol's resources
Who is fkp, and why are we wishing this person a happy birthday?
I have over 5000 I figure take a few box's, save a few souls.
I've been happily paying my online account via Mozilla (on Redhat 7.2, then 7.3)for at least five months now.
I used to use Opera disguised as IE, but for the past five months (since mid-June when I got a new laptop) I've been using Opera sans javascript, so I know I wasn't dreaming when I paid all those charges...
I hope.
-dameron
Yeah, the same features implemented under ATI are documented but guess what...They will WORK for Nvidia, and they DON'T NOW for ATI.....
ATI support is about the worst I've ever had the misfortune to need to deal with. The actually make M$ support look forthcoming and really eager to please. 4 rev's of ATI's so called catalyst drivers and things are actually sort of stable, but a slew of games won't run under the 9700pro, for example M$ CFS3 does not recognize the driver set up. If you are thinking about buying a video card I suggest as someone who has a Radeon 9700pro and a nvidia 460, I'd get a cheap GF3 or 4200 and wait and see the NV30. Unless you have money to just burn, ATI has dissapointed again, and they've not corrected any of this All in One Wonder driver issues either....
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
It's even worse than that. Suppose some malicious hacker starts logging into their online systems with a modded system that has a random serial number, with the sole intent of making that number unusable in the online service. The legitimate owner of the box with that number will be denied online service forever. This process can probably be automated.
Is it possible for someone to sufficiently pollute the MS online database that they will have to change their "lifetime ban" procedures? Or at least, to cause MS a severe case of trouble over it?
Are there cheats for online games? If not, are there any being attempted?
The major opposition to mod chips, that I've seen is the belief that it fosters cheating. Is this a real concern or is it just supposition?
If there are cheats being used and circulated, then ban them. If not, having a DiVX and ogg/vorbis player for your TV sounds damned cool.
Welcome to slashdot. Where personal liberties are above everything else. Mine, that is. Fuck your liberties. I will (possibly) steal your xbox serial number and get it banned because I'm an idiot and forgot to turn of my modchip while trying to connect to xbox live. Now, you will suffer. Of course, MY liberties are all that matters. So go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
A Typical Slashdotter
You can't forge the IP address easily. Not unless you've already owned all the routers between you and their Live! servers. And if that was the case, why not just own the servers and be done with it?
And you also assume that they won't take legal action against someone who is distrupting thousands or millions of people from enjoying a service they are paying for.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Excellent. Now keep speaking up and make sure they know that you are pleased to be able to continue giving them your business because they respect your personal choices.
My bank in canada always had a Mozilla friendly site and I made sure I sent them a nice e-mail thanking them ,describing exactly why I prefer to use their services as opposed to my previous bank.
Positive feedback is just as important as negative feedback!
Other comment here.
Why would MS be responsible for offerring a refund to someone who violates the service agreement? Termination of service without compensation is exactly what these modders should have expected, it's spelled out in the service agreement.
I know, they just hit Next, Next, Next, I Agree.
As soon as ATI gets stable, reliable, current, and unifed drivers, I'll consider buying an ATI card. Until then, I'll continue buying the best supported cards in the business. (ie, nvidia's)
Nice of Capitalone to fix their IE only policy just two weeks after I replace them with a company whose site I can actually use. Or maybe I actually caused them to change. Yeah that's it, it was all me.
... just in time to get monitored by the pentagon.
Does our hero's love interest still have an Adam's Apple in the new edition?
Weird. A link in the story description to a reply to that same story...
Hmmm... But... but.... *head explodes*
Slashdot: Successfully colapsing the known universe since...
is a good HOW-TO on getting those nifty AOL tin cases. I'd receive ten thousand AOL cds a day if only they sent them in tins...on second thought they can keep the cds :)
Of course, even if they have been banned, suitably hacked XBoxen could presumably use local networks or maybe even the internet (for games with weak timing requirements). LAN party anyone?
P.
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
I heard that Stephenson is writing it with a fountain pen, in an effort to keep from making it as long as Cryptonomicon. Hope he fails :)
Going back to the bad old days while the Geforce FX was a bunch of unsubtantiated rumours, I remember the furore around the theory that the FX would only have a 128 bit memory interface.
Theory goes that by having a 128 bit interface the cards themselves are cheaper to produce. The fact that all bar one of the Radeon 9700 pro cards are using the ATI reference design is surely a testament to how much of a bitch it is to produce a 256 bit memory interface in the real world. But then they go and stick that f*cking vacuum cleaner thing on top. Are you expecting me to believe that a copper heat sink, heat pipes, and a rediculous vacuum cleaner thing is cheap to produce?
Nah, it's panic innit. NV30 is nowhere near as fast as it should have been and they're having to overclock it's tits off to get any reasonable headway over the R300.
Personally I blame specification overkill. Given that we won't be seeing DX9/GL2 based games for at least two years, what's the point of having 64k instruction long pipelines? Maybe nVidia are eyeing up the professional rendering market but... well... I dunno. It just seems a little over the top. The "ti200" version might be worth it, but then so is a Radeon 9700 (ordinary, not pro) and you can have that now.
Dave
I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
Since you made a point of putting it in the article, what did the headline read before?
AOL welcomes these guys because they'll recycle and resend the CDs. Congrats for helping AOL send out more CDs and save money doing it.
A solution is to hold them until the version on the CDs becomes obsolete, and then deliver them, guaranteeing they won't recycle & resend them.
# Erik
I just got a AOL 7 CD in my package you get when you change your address with the USPS.
At least it wasnt a butterfly poster from MSN *shudders*
Vote MSN 8 Commercials the #1 most annoying and stupid commercials!!
If MS are tracking both the MAC address and the serial number (and if they capture both at manufacture, or registration for the network) then to get past a ban you'd need to get a matching PAIR of numbers - that's a lot harder than just picking any valid serial no.
Even if they don't have that info for existing boxes, they WILL have the serial numbers, so they can treat old boxes more leniently -- at least until they grab the serial number x mac address pair the next time each XBox is used on the network.
If there is a collision of serial number, they can invite the innocent and the "guilty" party to call an XP-style registration line where they can be lightly grilled and have their details taken before having their respective MAC addresses re-enabled. That way, if you ever forget to unmod your box before going on line, they know it's you.
And if registration is linked to your box serial number, you'll not just be able to pick a new one without losing your hard won scores / profiles / treasures or whatever.
Hopefully there is some reason why this won't work...
P.
Paul "Say no to feeping creaturism"
When we were looking at buying a new car a few months ago, toyota.ca told me that my browser was too old, and I should use IE5 or 'better.' I wrote to 'em and complained, pointing out that people who shop carefully online for cars are likely to shop carefully for browsers as well. :-)
A month later, there was a page up saying they were redesigning for Mozilla/Netscape7/Opera compliance.
Today Mozilla works flawlessly, on their remarkably well designed site.
Score one for the good guys! And I'm off to make sure Toyota knows I appreciate their effort.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
It said "Slashdot: bla"
Username taken, please choose another one.
I'm a happy owner of a 9700 pro. I'm sure future buyers will be happy with the NV30.
Despite all the puffery of the PR, they only claim about 40% increase over the 9700. 46 measly frames in Doom III with all the goods!!! Neither of these cards will run the Doom demo well! Hardly worthy of the claim creating a "new era of cinematic graphics". ATI started the new era, and NVIDIA is now matching ATI's offering with a slight increase in performance. Good job to both camps. We will all enjoy the benefits.
Future NVIDIA purchasers will have ATI to thank for the NV30's clockspeed and required hoover for cooling. There is little doubt that if it were not for the 9700 NV30 would be delivered later or clocked lower. I think ATI really surprised NVIDIA. We shall see who has the next surprise.
I think the big lie is that cinematic effects only begin with their deeper 2.0+ shaders. If you look at the DX9 demos from ATI, you can see the stock 2.0 pixel and vertex shaders offer plenty of opportunity for cinematic effects.
The hoopla helps deflects attention away from NV30's lower bandwidth and poorer clockspeed-t/performace ratio compared to the 9700. I suspect the deeper shaders will not perform well for gaming and will only be used in near-real-time applications.
Both will be decent cards that adequately handle requirements (DX9) that may only start to matter for mainstream games by the time we're debating NV40 vs. R400.
"If you want it stopped, hit them where it hurts - put a return-to-sender sticker on them, make AOL pay for the postage"
As has been repeated ad nauseum both here and on their website, AOL CDs (like almost all other mailed advertisements) are sent via Standard Mail (not First Class). There is no Return to Sender bit in Standard Mail (unlike First Class).
Besides, if they were sent First Class, the return postage has already been paid in the price of the stamp. It wouldn't hurt their wallet one way or the other.
> Thanks to the AC who noticed the goofed headline
> ("this is only a test," remember), now amended.
Yet you never corrected the bogus "jumping genes" headline. Why is that?
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
Slashback: Circumvention, AOLandfill, Scoffing
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.sig about a black hole that would blot out the sun. Matthew Davis writes "CNN.com ran a story about Jim McKenna and John Lieberman back in October requesting everyone to send the CD mailers they receive to them. When they reach 1 million CDs they'll hand deliver them to AOL. In a recent article by SiliconValley.com they quote Nicholas Graham, a spokesman for AOL stating, "If they reach their goal ... I'd be happy to give them directions and greet them at the door ... We would make a contribution ourselves to put them over the top" Does that mean they're putting Jim and John's address on the top of the CD mailing list?"
... and they can keep sending me the nice, reusable cases, just no more paper sleeves, thanks.
:)"
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.22 by Okian Warrior (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:29PM .22 by ceejayoz (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:59PM .22 by Istealmymusic (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:07PM
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.Net framework (dotnetfx.exe) on my laptop and since I had installed windows 98 the version of Internet Explorer was 5.00.x but due to the dependencies of the .Net framework I needed to have 5.01 or later.
:-) ... I'd be happy to give them directions and greet them at the door ... We would make a contribution ourselves to put them over the top" - Yes...I'm sure he would. This guy will obviously get a nice bonus check for all the money he saved his company.
,describing exactly why I prefer to use their services as opposed to my previous bank.
... just in time to get monitored by the pentagon.
:)
Posted by timothy on Thursday November 21, @06:59PM
from the happy-birthday-fkp dept.
Slashback tonight with more on efforts to stop the flow of AOL CDs from their house to yours, getting modded XBoxes on Microsoft's network, a less optimistic look at NVIDIA's latest chip, and more. Read on for more. Update: 11/22 00:13 GMT by T: Thanks to the AC who noticed the goofed headline ("this is only a test," remember), now amended.
Excuse me, is this the service entrance? We just posted about Microsoft blocking gamers with mod-chipped X-boxes from the Microsoft-run online gaming service; now NiteStar writes "Xbox-Scene.com just reported that a group of Xbox hackers named Team Assembly managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox
Not so fast, mister. The Raindog writes "Since NVIDIA announced its GeForce FX graphics chip, the web has been flooded with a slew of previews and articles that do little more than regurgitate what must have been NVIDIA's official press kit. Slashdot had coverage a few days ago, but since then, a new take on NVIDIA's latest chip has surfaced without all the PR-inspired hype. As it turns out, the GeForce FX's features aren't all that remarkable next to ATI's Radeon 9700 Pro, which has been available for months now."
I liked the old
Now if only these were CD-RWs
Still teasing, Stephen. foolish_child writes "Not sure if you noticed, but in the newest paperback pressing of Cryptonomicon (1 November 2002, I think) there is a chapter from Quicksilver at the back. I spotted it in the railway station in Amsterdam, so maybe it's a European edition. I have been checking to see if it was also online but have seen no sign of it - hence the heads up. I'm sure someone will scan it in soon - it is SUPERB! (read it waiting for a train) - Enoch the Red, emissary of the Royal Society, landing in 1700's Boston looking for . . someone. Scary thing is how good his research is as usual - I've just been reading up on Leibnitz and Newton and Co. and . . . you've probably seen it already but I wanted to share
This new edition of Cryptonomicon is probably in a bookstore near you already, and the book proper is (only) several months away.
One small step for BanKind. An anonymous reader writes "It seems CapitalOne's website works with Mozilla, as of this November, 2002. This is good news because many people have CapitalOne credit cards, and previously the site required Microsoft's Intarweb Explorer. This just shows how simply speaking up by e-mailing large companies can evoke change. For more info see here."
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by keller999 on Thursday November 21, @07:01PM (#4727641)
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SLASHBACK (Score:4, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:02PM (#4727642)
shouldn't that be slashBACK?
from the stupid-nitpics department
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Re:SLASHBACK by OmniVector (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:05PM
Re:SLASHBACK by mav[LAG] (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:06PM
Re:SLASHBACK -- errr
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Re:SLASHBACK by hvatum Thursday November 21, @07:50PM
i was wondering how long that would take.... (Score:1)
by edrugtrader on Thursday November 21, @07:02PM (#4727652)
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i mean, the reason they caught you is you installed a system mod.... you should be able to install ANOTHER system mod to stop them from catching you. seems obvious.
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BLING BLING (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:03PM (#4727653)
I am k-rad, dawg!
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Slashdot: (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:03PM (#4727657)
Slashback?
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TTT owns! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:03PM (#4727658)
Once again TTT = Time to Troll.
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Re:TTT owns! by The Trolling Troller (Score:-1) Thursday November 21, @07:28PM
No kidding! (Score:3, Insightful)
by Inoshiro on Thursday November 21, @07:03PM (#4727659)
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"managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox
It's not really surprising that changing the only 2 identity-linked features on a piece of hardware would let you get past their blacklist.
What you should be asking yourself is: is it moral for you to go online, with your modchip, and screw over people who want to play online without dealing with cheaters? Is it? I don't think so.
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Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:08PM
Re:No kidding! by Zeebs (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:08PM
Re:No kidding! by weeeee (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:07PM
Re:No kidding! by weeeee (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:13PM
Re:No kidding! by Moonshadow (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:08PM
Re:No kidding! by gvonk (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:23PM
Re:No kidding! by Moonshadow (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:34PM
Re:No kidding! by CableModemSniper (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:10PM
Re:No kidding! (Score:5, Interesting)
by Moonshadow on Thursday November 21, @07:14PM (#4727760)
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Heck, if you really wanted to screw MS over, it is probably possible to write a little piece of software that will run on the box, set the MAC and serial to initial values, connect, and then be banned. Increment serial and MAC and repeat. Leave running for a day or two.
Pretty soon, EVERYONE would be banned. There's an ugly situation.
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Re:No kidding! by batobin (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:21PM
Re:No kidding! by Ravenscall (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:37PM
Re:No kidding! by CableModemSniper (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:21PM
Easily solved.. by Inoshiro (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:22PM
Re:Easily solved.. by Moonshadow (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:28PM
Once again, think of context. by Inoshiro (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:33PM
Re:Once again, think of context. by swillden (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:00PM
Re:Once again, think of context. by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @08:01PM
Re:Once again, think of context. by quitcherbitchen (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:01PM
Re:No kidding! by Moonshadow (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:43PM
Re:No kidding! by fishbowl (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:27PM
Re:No kidding! by Indras (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:No kidding! by qbwiz (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:No kidding! by EllF (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:13PM
Re:No kidding! by ceejayoz (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:57PM
Re:No kidding! by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:17PM
Are there cheats (yet)? by pigeon768 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:31PM
Re:Are there cheats (yet)? by Boone^ (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:39PM
Re:Are there cheats (yet)? by windex (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:46PM
Re:No kidding! by m1a1 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:42PM
Like poking a savage dog with a stick (Score:3, Insightful)
by plierhead on Thursday November 21, @07:03PM (#4727661)
(User #570797 Info)
Look out for MS's righteous rage when the forged MAC addresses start colliding with existing, non-hacker users and it disrupts the Live service they've paid for! Can anyone say "bolt the door, the wolf's outside" ?
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Re:Like poking a savage dog with a stick by meringuoid (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:20PM
Re:Like poking a savage dog with a stick by rodgerd (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:30PM
Re:Like poking a savage dog with a stick by SN74S181 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:14PM
More like shooting a beehive with a
Re:More like shooting a beehive with a
Re:More like shooting a beehive with a
Re:Like poking a savage dog with a stick by Guppy06 (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:06PM
Write to the people at CapitalOne. (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:04PM (#4727663)
These are the webmasters listed for CapitalOne's website; the people who decided to ban Mozilla from the site. If you're a Mozilla fan, let them know that you use it and you're unhappy with the decision. Threaten to take your banking business elsewhere.
NAME: Burdge, Jonathan E-MAIL: jlb@io.com [mailto], jlbatdarc@w-link.net [mailto], elby@adequacy.org [mailto], darc@w-link.net [mailto] ALIASES: lb, jlb, Elby
NAME: Casillas, Luis E-MAIL: casillas@stanford.edu [mailto], em@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: em, Estanislao Martinez, Sylvain Tremblay
NAME: Corrigan, Barry E-MAIL: barry@bjcorrigan.fsnet.co.uk [mailto], bc@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: bc, ktb (Kiss the Blade), Lover's Arrival, Euroderf, Erbert Paget-Paget, Anya
NAME: Dickson, Craig E-MAIL: crd@inversenet.com [mailto], mendaxveritas@yahoo.com [mailto], mendaxveritas@pacbell.net [mailto] ALIASES: mv, Mendax Veritas
NAME: Flickinger, Dan E-MAIL: flikx@geekizoid.com [mailto], flikee@xmission.com [mailto] ALIASES: flikx
NAME: Haberberger, George E-MAIL: ghaberbe@frontiernet.net [mailto], George.Haberberger@usa.xerox.com [mailto] ALIASES: GeorgeHa, Hairy_Potter
NAME: Huston, Bill E-MAIL: bozoman@vlad.geekizoid.com [mailto], ALIASES: bozoman
NAME: Johnson, Peter E-MAIL: peter.johnson@voicestream.com [mailto], shoeboy@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: Shoeboy, Peter Johnson
NAME: Lockwood, Scott E-MAIL: wsl3@attbi.com [mailto], vlad@geekizoid.com [mailto] ALIASES: Vladinator, Lonesome Cowboy Burt, Quick Star, Pinkerton Floyd, etc.
NAME: Linwood, Rob E-MAIL: rcl@cs.csoft.net [mailto], rcl211@is9.nyu.edu [mailto] ALIASES: AuntFloyd, Con Troll
NAME: Mann, Warren E-MAIL: broken@warmann.com [mailto] ALIASES: osm, OpenSourceMan
NAME: McPherson, Craig E-MAIL: craig@laceyonline.com [mailto] ALIASES: craig, naked&petrified guy
NAME: Nelson, Brian E-MAIL: elenchos@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: Elenchos
NAME: Osborne, Michaell E-MAIL: osborm@yahoo.com [mailto], dmg@adequacy.org [mailto], michaellosborne@netscapeonline.co.uk [mailto] ALIASES: dmg, Dumb Marketing Guy, Lord Hugh Toppingham
NAME: Sassaman, Esther E-MAIL: esther@antioch.edu [mailto], perdida@adequacy.org [mailto], reva_altamira@yahoo.com [mailto] ALIASES: Perdida, Reva Altamira, etc.
NAME: Skinner, James E-MAIL: spiralx@spazmail.com [mailto], spiralx@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: SpiralX, Manifold, Jon Erikson
NAME: Stanton, Matt E-MAIL: matt@madeforchina.com [mailto], serf@adequacy.org [mailto] ALIASES: Serf
NAME: Zikowski, Zachary E-MAIL:
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Re:Write to the people at CapitalOne. by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:19PM
Breaking the licensing agreement (Score:4, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:05PM (#4727679)
You get a EULA that says that you can't access the online gaming forum with a modified X-Box. Then you go and circumvent that by putting a new serial number and MAC address on it, possibly depriving someone else down the line with the identical numbers of playing online.
You broke the licensing agreement in the first place by modding the box. Why do you think it's right to break it further by circumventing the agreed-upon penalty?
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Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by kindbud (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:17PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:22PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Mononoke (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:26PM Re:Breaking the licensing agreement (Score:4, Funny)
by ni5mo (nismoNO@SPAMlost.net.au) on Thursday November 21, @07:28PM (#4727881)
(User #590178 Info)
Why is the Vatican equipped with lightning rods?
Because God isn't a catholic
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Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by unicron (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:31PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:41PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @08:09PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:19PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:24PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:21PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:22PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:23PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:30PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Jagen (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:26PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:32PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by ceejayoz (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:02PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by svvampy (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:27PM
Please see my other comment by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:35PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Bagheera (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:14PM
Re:Breaking the licensing agreement by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @08:15PM
It's unanimous (Score:2)
by ekrout on Thursday November 21, @07:07PM (#4727697)
(User #139379 Info | http://www.erickrout.com/)
Everyone [savyon.com] hates [mit.edu] AOL CDs [kanorb.co.uk].
Even dogs [nomoreaolcds.com].
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Don't say you werent warned (Score:3, Funny)
by dnoyeb on Thursday November 21, @07:07PM (#4727699)
(User #547705 Info | http://www.rigidsoftware.com/)
If you send your AOL CDs back to those guys, you get what you deserve...Them send right back to you.
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Re:Don't say you werent warned by Indras (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:13PM
Re:Don't say you werent warned by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:34PM
Re:Don't say you werent warned by Migelikor1 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:47PM
Re:Don't say you werent warned by jcpii (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:00PM
Further proof: (Score:2)
by talks_to_birds on Thursday November 21, @07:08PM (#4727702)
(User #2488 Info | http://www.finchhave...omputers/acspam.html)
"...managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox
Any code devised by man can be broken by man.
t_t_b
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Re:Further proof: by slakdrgn (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:13PM
Re:Further proof: by aiken_d (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:29PM
what about the innocent? (Score:1)
by reduced (reduced@gmx.DEBIANnet minus distro) on Thursday November 21, @07:08PM (#4727703)
(User #589510 Info)
i bet microsoft checks for dupes on the live network. some paying customer is probably locked out now.
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Re:what about the innocent? by Moonshadow (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:what about the innocent? by jasonditz (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:25PM
Re:what about the innocent? by Moonshadow (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:31PM
Re:what about the innocent? by livitup (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:38PM
Re:what about the innocent? by BJH (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:42PM
Re:what about the innocent? by jasonditz (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:08PM
Re:what about the innocent? by Sheetrock (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:what about the innocent? by DaveV1.0 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:12PM
Why return CDs to AOL (Score:5, Insightful)
by MeerCat on Thursday November 21, @07:08PM (#4727713)
(User #5914 Info | http://www.schmerg.com/)
The usual point of a petition is to demonstrate to people the mass rejection the public are showing their idea. Returning a million AOL CDs doesn't, IMHO, do this; it just tells AOL that their brand awareness campaign is working (and I dare say AOL know how many they have made).
If you want it stopped, hit them where it hurts - put a return-to-sender sticker on them, make AOL pay for the postage, or handle them one-by-one, or see if you can use that German law about making retailers pay the cost of removing and disposing of excess packaging... I'm not a genius (I used to be, but I'm told I'm not any more) but surely we can come up with something more persuasive than a one-off dump of a large single load of CDs.
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Re:Why return CDs to AOL by 1DarkZen (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:11PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by MeerCat (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:21PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by MeerCat (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:24PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by LagDemon (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:32PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by MeerCat (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:42PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by David Walker (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:46PM
Re:Why return CDs to AOL by jfreis (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:54PM
At last (Score:1)
by bryhhh on Thursday November 21, @07:09PM (#4727720)
(User #317224 Info)
woohoo!
Now I can buy myself an Xbox on my CaptialOne card.
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RE: Cryptonomicron (Score:2, Interesting)
by usmcpanzer (usmcpanzer@hotma i l . c om) on Thursday November 21, @07:09PM (#4727721)
(User #538447 Info | http://slashdot.org/)
I just recently (a weeka ago?) purchased the book in the US, and the Quicksilver part is in the back. Can't say I've read it yet, tho.
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IN SOVIET RUSSIA (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:10PM (#4727724)
Slashdot is Slashback
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Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:41PM
Changing serial numbers and macs... (Score:5, Insightful)
by AtariDatacenter (jmccorm@@@yahoo...com) on Thursday November 21, @07:11PM (#4727735)
(User #31657 Info | mailto:jmccorm@yahoo.com?Subject=SlashdotResponse
So they said they changed their serial number *and* MAC address to get back on. This is interesting and points back to something someone said in a previous thread. All you need to do is to make a program to burn through serial number space and get them marked invalid, and you've got a DoS of entertaining proportions.
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Re:Changing serial numbers and macs... by jandrese (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:49PM
Re:Changing serial numbers and macs... by killmenow (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:10PM
Actual use for AOL CD's (Score:5, Funny)
by coryboehne on Thursday November 21, @07:11PM (#4727737)
(User #244614 Info)
The other evening (without an internet connection) I was trying to install the
As an aside, when you don't have 5.01 or later it just kills the browser that you do have installed, so it kinda causes a really fun catch-22, no browser to surf the web to find a new browser..... Really sucked.
Anyway, back with my story.... I was on a frantic search for a copy of IE 5.01 or later when I remembered that I had a stockpile of those AOL Cd's in the garage... I grabbed myself one of them (yellow, no idea what version) and proceeded to find the IE directory on the disc.. Sure enough it was version 5.01.x so I installed it and everything went smoothly from there.
So, the moral of the story? Sometimes AOL disks do have a use other than coasters or frisbees....
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Re:Actual use for AOL CD's by peacefinder (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:28PM
Re:Actual use for AOL CD's by coryboehne (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:33PM
Re:Actual use for AOL CD's by David Walker (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:59PM
Re:Actual use for AOL CD's by suricatta (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:04PM
AOL CD's are awsome... (Score:5, Funny)
by BSOD from above on Thursday November 21, @07:12PM (#4727743)
(User #625268 Info)
when you cook them in the microwave for 15 seconds. Just don't try this with anything you care about.
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I agree with this post by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:15PM
Re:AOL CD's are awsome... by cscx (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:31PM
Re:AOL CD's are awsome... by F2F (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:59PM
xbox serial number (Score:5, Interesting)
by FeatherBoa on Thursday November 21, @07:14PM (#4727761)
(User #469218 Info)
Team Assembly managed to change the serial number and MAC address of the xbox. After the change they managed to get onto Xbox Live (with mod-chip disabled) with a previously banned xbox
Not only that, you can arrange for any arbitrary XBox to be permanently banned!
I wonder if there's a way to pollute their blacklist with so many bogus entries that they have to give up.
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Re:xbox serial number by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:20PM
Re:xbox serial number by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:49PM
Re:xbox serial number by pythas (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:00PM
Re:xbox serial number by donutz (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @07:37PM
Re:xbox serial number by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @07:54PM
Re:xbox serial number by killmenow (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:07PM
Re:xbox serial number by m1a1 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @07:47PM
Re:xbox serial number by ceejayoz (Score:3) Thursday November 21, @08:05PM
Re:xbox serial number by shogun (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @08:14PM
So NVIDIA is not kicking ATIs butt... (Score:2)
by dnoyeb on Thursday November 21, @07:15PM (#4727774)
(User #547705 Info | http://www.rigidsoftware.com/)
Remember ATI is the 500lb Gorilla here, not NVIDIA. ATI just woke up in time to see NVIDIA trying to sneak in on its graphics card market and put the smacketh down, respectfully.
Lets see NVIDIA wake up and charge a little less that the 1/2 a grand they seem to think their metal is worth...
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One word: drivers. by pigeon768 (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:43PM
Re:One word: drivers. by ivan256 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:05PM
AOL CD's (Score:1)
by obiedxss on Thursday November 21, @07:17PM (#4727784)
(User #241764 Info | http://www.nuklearpower.com/index.php)
I also hate AOL and I wish to collect AOL installation disks. I have 768 so far, and I want to reach 1,000,001.
Send contributions to SmarterChild@aol.com
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Re:AOL CD's by Anonymous Coward Thursday November 21, @08:12PM
Late Show with David Letterman website (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:17PM (#4727788)
Anyone notice how Letterman's website [cbs.com] won't play RealVideo clips from Mozilla? Try clicking on "Big Show Highlight" under the DaveTV section (requires JavaScript).
The interesting thing is that if you use the Preferences Toolbar (download here [xulplanet.com]) to change the user-agent string to, say, NS 6.2 Lin or IE 6.0 WinXP, it works just fine.
-CF
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AOLandfill Halloween Costume (Score:5, Funny)
by Aexia on Thursday November 21, @07:18PM (#4727790)
(User #517457 Info)
The Saturday night before Halloween I had a costume party to go to. I remembered this Saturday morning. Or rather, Saturday afternoon since that's when I actually woke up. I had no costume.
But I did have a bunch of crap CDs, some of which were AOL CDs. So I taped them together and went as AOLandfill. Had about strips of 6-7 down each a leg, a sort of vest and a couple on my forearms. Truth be told, it did look like some low-rent Power Ranger battle armour or something, but once I said the name, people thought it was funny.
I also got to use pickup lines like
Try me free for 1000 hours for your first month!
I'm so easy to use it's no wonder I'm number one!
The terrifying part of the costume may have been how well those lines worked.
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Sending Back 1 Million AOL CD's.....Uhhhh (Score:1)
by SiliconJesus101 on Thursday November 21, @07:21PM (#4727824)
(User #622291 Info)
Wow!! What a nice gesture!! You don't like my product so you won't be using it....then you are kind enough to return my promotional and advertisement materials to me free of charge so I can avoid the costs of having 1 Million more CD's made. Very nice guy!!! Saving AOL what must be several hundreds of thousands of dollars in CD pressing and printing fees has to be the nicest gesture I've ever heard of
"If they reach their goal
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Re:Sending Back 1 Million AOL CD's.....Uhhhh by pheared (Score:2) Thursday November 21, @07:42PM
Re:Sending Back 1 Million AOL CD's.....Uhhhh by SiliconJesus101 (Score:1) Thursday November 21, @08:01PM
Trolling on Slashdot Japan? (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:23PM (#4727834)
Has anyone given it a good go?
I've seen a goatse link or two.
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AOL CDs in the Post Office (Score:1, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:23PM (#4727838)
anyone else seens those displays of aol disks being given away in the P.O.?
Take a few every time you visit....aol will think idiots are signing up and restock them, and if you keep the dispensers empty, you'll being doing a public service by sparing some n00b from the awful aol experience while attriting aol's resources
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Happy birthday who? (Score:1)
by aster_ken on Thursday November 21, @07:25PM (#4727853)
(User #516808 Info | http://www.campuscomp.com/)
Who is fkp, and why are we wishing this person a happy birthday?
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AOL cd's how many do you have (Score:1)
by headbulb on Thursday November 21, @07:26PM (#4727866)
(User #534102 Info)
I have over 5000 I figure take a few box's, save a few souls.
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Capitalone has worked with Moz. for a long time. (Score:1)
by dameron on Thursday November 21, @07:29PM (#4727888)
(User #307970 Info)
I've been happily paying my online account via Mozilla (on Redhat 7.2, then 7.3)for at least five months now.
I used to use Opera disguised as IE, but for the past five months (since mid-June when I got a new laptop) I've been using Opera sans javascript, so I know I wasn't dreaming when I paid all those charges...
I hope.
-dameron
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Nvidia not news ?!?! (Score:2, Troll)
by Archfeld (archfeld@snotmail.com) on Thursday November 21, @07:29PM (#4727889)
(User #6757 Info | http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 01, @01:53PM)
Yeah, the same features implemented under ATI are documented but guess what...They will WORK for Nvidia, and they DON'T NOW for ATI.....
ATI support is about the worst I've ever had the misfortune to need to deal with. The actually make M$ support look forthcoming and really eager to please. 4 rev's of ATI's so called catalyst drivers and things are actually sort of stable, but a slew of games won't run under the 9700pro, for example M$ CFS3 does not recognize the driver set up. If you are thinking about buying a video card I suggest as someone who has a Radeon 9700pro and a nvidia 460, I'd get a cheap GF3 or 4200 and wait and see the NV30. Unless you have money to just burn, ATI has dissapointed again, and they've not corrected any of this All in One Wonder driver issues either....
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For shame. (Score:1, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:31PM (#4727909)
Welcome to slashdot. Where personal liberties are above everything else. Mine, that is. Fuck your liberties. I will (possibly) steal your xbox serial number and get it banned because I'm an idiot and forgot to turn of my modchip while trying to connect to xbox live. Now, you will suffer. Of course, MY liberties are all that matters. So go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
A Typical Slashdotter
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capital one (Score:3, Interesting)
by Jucius Maximus (j13moh@netscape.net) on Thursday November 21, @07:35PM (#4727936)
(User #229128 Info | http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday August 26, @01:49PM)
"It seems CapitalOne's website works with Mozilla, as of this November, 2002. This is good news because many people have CapitalOne credit cards, and previously the site required Microsoft's Intarweb Explorer. This just shows how simply speaking up by e-mailing large companies can evoke change."
Excellent. Now keep speaking up and make sure they know that you are pleased to be able to continue giving them your business because they respect your personal choices.
My bank in canada always had a Mozilla friendly site and I made sure I sent them a nice e-mail thanking them
Positive feedback is just as important as negative feedback!
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Never do anything.. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 21, @07:43PM (#4727986)
Nice of Capitalone to fix their IE only policy just two weeks after I replace them with a company whose site I can actually use. Or maybe I actually caused them to change. Yeah that's it, it was all me.
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Neal Stephenson needs to get laid (Score:1)
by TheHumbone (summvogel@nospam.hotmail.com) on Thursday November 21, @07:50PM (#4728034)
(User #123110 Info)
Does our hero's love interest still have an Adam's Apple in the new edition?
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Confused.... (Score:2)
by wilburdg on Thursday November 21, @07:51PM (#4728040)
(User #178573 Info)
Weird. A link in the story description to a reply to that same story...
Hmmm... But... but.... *head explodes*
Slashdot: Successfully colapsing the known universe since...
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What I'd rather see... (Score:1)
by Bytal on Thursday November 21, @07:52PM (#4728046)
(User #594494 Info)
is a good HOW-TO on getting those nifty AOL tin cases. I'd receive ten thousand AOL cds a day if only they sent them in tins...on second thought they can keep the cds
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xbox - roll your own network? (Score:1)
by feepcreature on Thursday November 21, @07:52PM (#4728047)
(User #623518 Info)
If you buy an XBox, you can do what you like with it - that's your right. By the same token, MS don't have to let you use it on their network.
Of course, even if they have been banned, suitably hacked XBoxen could presumably use local networks or maybe even the internet (for games with weak timing requirements). LAN party anyone?
P.
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Quicksilver (Score
Not five minutes ago, I saw an AOL advert on TV in which a man phones up AOL and says "Hello, can you send me a free trial CD?"
At this point he picks up his mug from the desk and off the bottom of it falls an AOL CD which he's been using as a coaster.
Oh my God. The irony is too much. :-)
--
Karma: Chameleon (you come and go)
Just because Jonny Doe was given a PC so he can use it for school doesn't mean he's not going to use it for games.
Really, it's not black-and-white. What about the people who got an X-Box for the online games, then learned about modchips and running Linux? What about the people who got an X-Box to serve as a PVR, and decided that playing online games was also Cool?
What's this Submit thingy do?
Fuck Taco, Fuck Neal, Fuck Roblimo, Fuck Hemos... in the ass.
To make the method most effective, its best to make sure the serial numbers/MAC are well spread through the valid number space.
Anandtech had all the same info as tech-report when the news hit. There's nothing new or earth shattering being reported at tech-report that anyone who has read Anandtech doesn't already know. Well, except for the fact that tech-report failed to mention that the memory on the GFFX runs at 500 MHz, which is why it needs a huge fan to cool it. The only thing they mention is that "the memory runs faster".
Sure, they talk down wider memory paths now, but will they say the same when ATI has a newer card out that uses the same technology?
The whole "web standards" debate is stupid, and most especially one sided sites like Zeldman's webstandards.org. All that Zeldman and his cronies are doing is try to push new standards ahead of sane development, probably just so that he won't have to deal with standards like HTML. He has a point, though, as the older standards are lame and the newer standards are better. But he lacks the ability to understand that browser development and deployment will always lag behind, and why. The sad thing is that his kind of suckered lots of web developers into believing that all they have to do is blame the user for having an old browser and all will become better because all users will upgrade. Truth is, that's not always possible or feasible.
A tour of web sites using the Zeldman style with an older browser will generally work, as he does not advocate breaking them. But what you do get is less than what that browser is capable of. For example, browsers have for ages supported setting a background color or even a background image in HTML. Zeldmanistas refuse to set the background color, or in some cases, intentionally set it to something different than what is set in CSS. So while the site looks fine with CSS, without CSS you get maybe stark gray, or worse, black with black text over it. So what's actually going on here is not a case of these developers adhering to web standards, but rather, they are picking and choosing the standards they want to use, such as by not making use of HTML completely and correctly. So why should he any right to expect that others will choose to use newer standards like CSS or XML or whatever.
There is also a very good reason to make a web site that works with older browsers. Many groups are now operating in lower income urban areas carrying out programs to get older computers donated to them from businesses that are doing the upgrading. Because of the economy, the number of businesses doing upgrades has dropped off and most donations are rather old. What this means is that most of the people receiving these computers are getting something in the late 486 or early Pentium range, and at best a copy of Windows 95, which is usually all (other than BSD or Linux, which hasn't made it to these programs that I've seen yet ... something for us to get more involved in I suppose) that these old machines with slow CPU, small memory, and limited hard drive capacity can handle. So they end up with usually an old Netscape version 3 browser (Java and Javascript are hopelessly broken, and CSS is non-existant). Newer browsers overwhelm the machine, if they even fit at all.
This "economic accessibility" isn't yet addressed by law, and may never be. Private business does not have to cater to them. So the banks and other financial institutions listed with specific browser requirements aren't in violation. And besides, we're talking about people who can't afford a computer and have to use limited time community access ISPs just to get online (if the phone and electric bill are paid up). I'm sure the financial institutions have no interest in extending them credit.
While businesses probably should have a free choice in what, and who, they support, governments OTOH should not. People should have a right to expect their government internet based services to be accessible to all, not just those who can afford a bigger faster computer that can handle the latest obese and overloaded software. And since it is possible to make web sites that not only work well with new standards, but also work well (as well as those standards allow) with older standards that the smaller browsers support, governments should be required to do this in all citizen-facing web sites. In other words, if it can be made to work in a minimal set of standards, it must be made to work that well when that's what's available. Then if it works even better in newer standards in ways that the older standards could never do, that's fine, too.
What I think might be a better approach to this would be to support the development of a not-so-obese web browser, as well as programs to get systems like Linux deployed onto more of the computers being donated to the economically disadvantaged (aside: why are politically correct words so long?).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I have news for you.
ATI's CATALYST 2.3 and 2.4 drivers will work on every ATI Radeon chipset from the R100 all the way to the R300 used on the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro board. This is pretty much a de facto "unified" driver in my view.
Besides, there is no such thing as a stable driver. I've read on the alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia newsgroup that many high-end games still have trouble with the latest nVidia Detonator 40.72 driver (shrug).
At least ATI is getting their act together with the latest CATALYST drivers.
Not if you had a Beowulf cluster of Xboxes!
Oh, wait....
cynical about ATI at the moment so it tends to skew my perspective. I'd hardly consider this one "long time dream of software developers" likely to toppple the video card industry. Even if ATI hardware supports every single bloody DX9 feature, if their LOUSY drivers won't run it is a glorified heater. Here's to ATI getting their shit together and driving Nvidia and the market to really put out some high class video cards.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Ok, as I'm sure was mentioned when the Doom III demo came out, it is not slowed down by the video card, so any comparison of video cards based on Doom III is completely irrelevant. I ran the Doom III demo on my GeForce4 4600, and my friend got about the same performance on his GeForce DDR. The leaked version of Doom III is very CPU intensive, most likely because it was compiled without optimizations, kind of like the leaked versions of UT2003. Therefore since the CPU is the bottleneck, using a faster card will not have a noticeable effect on the speed. We need to wait until a version of Doom III intended for public use is available to make any judgements of hardware based upon its performance.
They decided to mod their Xbox, now they are upset that breaking the EULA makes their box incompatible with Xbox Live.
......SKILL!!!!!
BooHoo.
If I were to somehow get OS X running on an AMD chip and iTools no longer worked, the last thing I would do would be to cry to Apple.
Xbox Live is a little oasis of online gaming where cheating, drastic connection differences and hardware differences are currently nonexistant. It is EXACTLY what legit Counterstrike players have been begging for since the late '90s. Now, a bunch of assholes out to get around their own inability to deal with the consequences their actions have bestowed upon them, are out to ruin it for everyone else.
XBL is something we've all wanted for years. Now, we can likely expect to see legit users permabanned from XBL because some 1337 hAx0r cannot possibly deal with the fact he can only get ahead in online Xbox games by using
So he uses their serial/MAC.
Others do the same.
They also cheat.
XBL is ruined.
I know a lot of people think it is cool to fuck over Microsoft at every oppertunity and feel that they should give up on the banning, but if this were anyone else, there would be a lot more outrage than there is now. Something good is on the verge of being destroyed. Too bad no one wants to own up to their own hypocrisy.
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Unless Microsoft 'forgot' to keep track of the MAC addresses of previously released machines, I bet it will be only a matter of time for them to simply compare the MAC address of a connecting xbox against a database of 'valid' MAC addresses...
(Much like the Battle.net server checking the validity of CD-keys, for Warcraft, Starcraft, etc.)
I"ve never had problems with CC sites I visit (i use opera) But one place that really pisses me off is costco.com I've emailed then 2-3 times and i never hear anything back except for "Thanks for your suggestions, I'll forward them on to..."
It seems the GeforceFx previews made some mistakes when comparing the relative merits of the NV30 and 9700.
For a good read check out this comparison of the new chips. Even this gets a few things wrong
The vertex shader 1024 instructions limit of the 9700 is mostly misreported.
The Geforce vertex shader is more powerful, supporting dynamic branching, but the 9700 can do a static branching per primitive with instruction lengths of 65,026. I'm sure such shaders will be equally unwieldy for gaming on both cards.
It seems some of the reviewers only looked only at what NVidia told them and what DX9 exposes and not what the 9700's actual silicon supports.
The reviewers barely understand the full capabilities of the 9700 months after its release. I'm sure the FX will provide similar surprises (good and bad) when they actually get their hands on one.
Just a snippet of info for those that don't know. Spoofing the MAC address of an Xbox is trivial, since as soon as the Xbox Live software is installed, an option is available for manually inputting a new MAC address. Right now I am spoofing my laptop NIC MAC so that I don't need to restart my cable modem every time I go online with the Xbox.
Tell that to RCN who charges me $5 a month for my cable modem. I wonder if MS would attach a EULA to the xbox and consider the purchase fee a one time hardware "licensing fee". maybe I shouldn't give people ideas...
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
Anyone remember when AOL used to send out floppy disks? I got through my last few years of college without having to buy floppies, because I got them free from AOL. Now those were useful.
Are you trying to say that they send a variable number of bits for the serial number and that it is not simply a fixed-width field (32 bit, 64 bit, 128 bit, etc)? And that you think that is likely? It is far more likely that they use a fixed width number. So maybe it's 2**128 combinations, but it's not even close to infinite.
My other first post is car post.
With all this talk about hacking so you can disable x-boxes from the XBL system, if M$ notices a lot coming from the same IP address, why can't they just invalidate the XBL account number (granted, I don't know if they even keep track of account numbers yet)... make people have to pay for the service again....
Though that would be funny to see a script that gives MS your credit card number for a new account, change the MAC and serial, and repeat. MS certainly wouldn't mind whatsoever.
I just heard on Car Talk that they decided to send 3.1 yogurt lids to AOL. Essentially, they were going to run a promotional campaign for some cause by printing a message on yogurt lids. The problem was that they put NPR on the lids(since they air on NPR) without clearing it with NPR. When NPR found out they said that the lids couldn't be distributed because NPR didn't want to be seen associated with a commercial product. So Click and Clack were stuck with 3.1 million lids that they didn't have anything to with. They had a contest to come up with the best use for them and the winning entry was "Send them to AOL and see how they feel".
...you mean .CA, right?
Work is for people who lack the imagination to play.
Pncbank has support mozilla for a while now, after reading the quickie about captial one, I sent them a nice email.
"I just wanted to write you guys to say thank you for supporting the Mozilla web browser. I appricate a company that recognizes and encourages my right to choose a different web browser other then Internet Explorer.
Keep up the good work, and please continue to support our right to choose. As long as you continue doing what you are doing I will continue to be your customer!
You guys are awesome."
Maybe if anyone else uses Pncbank you can send them an email too.
I just can't see a card that takes two slots and has that huge fan going mainstream. That's just too much.
Hell, I empty out the Free Take One bins in Sears, and have my friends and relatives save theirs for me. Why? The stuff bringing the big bucks on eBay today is the shit everybody threw out 20 years ago. Those hated AOL CDROMs are going to sell for hundreds of dollars in new, unopened condition in the 2020s. You'll see. I'll be richer than Bill Gates.
Ive been a capital one credit card (wow 4 c's) holder for over a year now,ive had no problems with using the website with mozilla,galean,konquerer,the whole works. I am talking about the Uk site though (www.capitalone.co.uk)
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Oh yeah.... Now that you mention it, it did come up in Phoenix when I went there tonight to pay my bill, whereas I usually have to shout an obsenity or two and then open up IE. I didn't even notice this one... Silly me!
I mean what I say. CC, like Credit Card.
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In my opinion, sending all the CDs to two guys and counting on them to ship a million is kind of stupid. Instead, whenever you receive an AOL CD, use a hammer and a nail to place a few holes in recorded portions of the data track, such that the CD becomes useless. Write profanity on it with permanent ink. Then, mail it back to AOL. The advantages of this method are:
You know all those junk mailers you receive that offer you junk you don't need? Many of them come with postage-paid envelopes. Simply rip up the materials they sent you, stick them in the postage-paid envelope, and send them back. They will have to pay postage, and it will waste their time. If enough people do this, it may cause a reduction in junk mail.
I'd like to see you do it.
I know that on my end, all my machines have very strict rules about packets and IPs, as well as verification of them (as well as syn cookies).
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Woukdn't this the perfect use for AOL accounts. I don't think MS would want to exclude so many users.
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Ya know, I have no problem with pissing off Microsoft, but how about sticking to methods that are not grossly illegal and likely to get you a heavy fine and/or prison time.
Doing this is abusing Microsoft's systems, it's about the same magnitude as hacking into their web server and taking it down. If you manage to actually accomplish anything, you will not get away with it, and Microsoft will have more ammo in the "all those evil hackers are hurting our business" play.
So yeah, it's amusing that you can do this, but don't make a serious attempt.
Now if only these were CD-RWs ... and they can keep sending me the nice, reusable cases, just no more paper sleeves, thanks.
A friend of mine was actually asked "Buy blank CDs? Why not just use the free ones from AOL?"
It could also result in Microsoft going, "Eh, this ain't worth the 300 million dollar loss per year. Shoot the whole thing and use the PR of cutting unprofitable businesses to boost our stock price and give anti-monopoly evidence at the same time."
That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze
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I spotted it in the railway station in Amsterdam snip (read it waiting for a train)
;-)
/me hopes for a dutch train traveling moderator to catch this post
Ah, the leafs are cleared and the NS really is back to their old schedule then
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nvidia sucks ass matrox rules!!!!!
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
If you start geting machines blacklisted I guess they'll just close your account. Then you'll have to purchase another Live kit.
happy to give them directions and greet them at the door ... We would make a contribution ourselves to put them over the top
Very good on AOL's part - they have CoOpted what is a PROTEST AGAINST THEM into a positive PR spin. I fucking love it.
How disappointing, now when people hear about this, they will think these people were Beanie-baby-style impulse collectors of modern-consumer fare.. nothing radical, nice, warm, cozy farmiliar... how sad.
Are you sure about that?
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You're getting wishy-washy.
First it's "hardly a challenge to a reasonably competent programmer.," then it's "a sophisticated attack, but not an impossible one." Excuse my while I throw an InconsistencyException about your argument!
I really, really doubt the login service uses UDP, unless they've put something on top that will manually do retransmission and acknowledgemeng. The Xbox Live! service does require that TCP port 3074 be used on the Xbox, so I'm guessing they just went the way of using TCP.
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Why would you -want- to run a modified xbox, when you can get a playstation? Why would you put up with being marginalized by microsoft, when you can be encouraged by Sony?
Sell your silly xbox (and its games) and get a real console (and its games) from a vendor with a clue.
...Sell your 'silly' console and buy a REAL gaming machine, a COMPUTER. Then, you can keep up with the latest technology, and run the emulators for (most) of the consoles as well, also, go online *not JUST with broadband, a la Xbox*
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.