Load time Compared to IE, which takes 1-2 secs to load, Mozilla take around 8 secs to load. Not that much extra, but when my short term memory is 5 seconds, I most often choose to load IE, so I don't forget what I wanted to check out.
I'm assuming you're not using the 'turbo' option, since you didn't specify that?
IE loads when Windows starts up, which is why opening an IE window is so fast. Therefore the Mozilla turbo option competes by pre-loading just like IE (well almost).
If you are using the turbo option, and it still takes 8 seconds to load a Moz window, then something is WRONG.
This is for the civil lawsuits. The thing that will most benefit 'the people', for having been screwed by Microsoft all these years, is for Microsoft to fund development of alternative OS's.
Now THAT would hurt them in the pocket book now and later! That is a punishment that fits the crime!
Fine them $5 billion. Give money to competing OS groups, including Apple, various Linux groups/companies, Palm, BeOS groups (ala OpenBeOS), BSD groups, etc. Set aside about $1-2 billion for a foundation that will distribute money and grants to computer science OS researchers for future technology to supplant Windows.
I don't see that many here complaining about the amount of money this is going to cost Microsoft (although I seriously doubt it will cost them even $400 million to distribute this software).
The problem most knowledgeable people have with this settlement is that instead of being punished and having to pay out to all the effected Microsoft software users over the years, they are being told to infect thousands of schools with their software.
Qubit stopped shortly after Be Inc said that they basicly only cared about the big companys (Sony).
Uhhh, no. What happened was Qubit changed their mind and decided to go with Windows devices after their biggest clients expressed interest in things like Citrix.
Sony told Be Inc to piss off only after Be Inc said fuck it, I quit.
No, things were going downhill for Be, and everyone expected them to run out of money, but Be definitely did not give up before Sony pulled out. It was a mutual failure.
Yes, they switched focus to BeIA. Was it because they hated BeOS and its users? No! They were very quickly running out of money, and they were not making headway in the desktop market, thanks in large part to our monopolistic friend and his shady deals with OEM's.
Wow, you say Steinberg ANNOUNCED a port of Nuendo? Big deal. I can't even count on my hands AND feet the number of "announced BeOS software" that never made it to market. Do you honestly think Nuendo could have saved Be at that point?
(That's beside the point, because there were still dedicated BeOS-based audio devices being released even after the focus switch to BeIA.)
Be had to drastically reduce their burn rate, and they gambled on the next big thing. In five years, you will not be saying "they failed spectacularly." You'll be saying, they were a few years to early! Contrary to the media and desktop-bigot opinions, those shitty iOpener-type devices that have been released thus far (and scrapped) are NOT internet appliances. They're crappy network computers.
Be had better things in mind. Internet-enabled stereo devices like some of the ones you see coming out recently. Webpads with touch screens and WiFi connections, which will arrive eventually (probably in the form of Tablet PC's first, and then much cheaper web-surfing tablets later).
Essentially Be wanted to move from selling to the public to licensing to device manufacturers. Thus they could (and did) heavily reduce their cash burn. Unfortunately, several potentially big deals fell through (Qubit, Compaq, and eventually Sony). And I'm sure, many more were being worked on before they were forced to sell to Palm to avoid bankruptcy and possibly keep BeOS alive somewhere.
BeOS was only a niche OS because of the current marketplace. Something the DOJ once knew but has since forgotten. Anyone that used BeOS could see it has just as much potential on the desktop as MacOS (that is to say, more so than Linux has).
It was only a few drivers/apps away from mainstream before it fell victim to the marketplace.
Some people argue that Be should have remained focused on the desktop market. But those people must have failed math, because Be would have run out of their cash MUCH sooner than they did!
Be focused on BeOS for 10 years, with not much reward financially. What made these people think another few months would turn things around?
Have a look at the 'Save BeOS' petition: Around 4000 entries. So how many versions could you sell? For what price? What's your margin? Even if you would get a credit and if you wouldn't need to do dev work: You wouldn't make enough money to make Palm an attractive offer.
I am sure BeUnited is not planning to pay anything up-front to Palm. More than likely they are angling to pay Palm $X amount per each copy sold, with an agreement not to let anyone but NDA'd programmers see the source code.
You can't go to Windows Update to download patches any more after you've turned Active Scripting off. Microsoft sends you to a page telling you to turn Active Scripting and all sorts of other dangerous things back on.
Oh dear Lord, whatever shall I do?!
What? Set active scripting to 'prompt' mode, so that I can decide when I want it used? What? Turn it on momentarily while I access Windows Update? What? Add Microsoft.com to my trusted sites list momentarily?
No... instead I will point out how ironic this is on the Microsoft-friendly site, Slashdot.
I'm sure in Linux-world you never have to make compromises in functionality, right?
There is no profit in preserving life. A bluefin tuna swimming in the ocean is worthless to anybody. The same tuna when killed is worth a thousand dollars.
What is your point? That we should stop eating tuna so that there will be more tuna swimming in the water?
Same with clean waters and clean air. They are both worthless but if you can make a lot of money polluting them.
Bad analogy. With tuna, you kill it to make a profit. With water/air, you don't pollute it to make a profit, you make a profit and the by-product is pollution. But you act as if we've made no strides in this area. Every century it gets better. Eventually we will come as close as we can to pure air/water without giving up the benefits of modern society.
The problem is one of ethics. Most people are willing to deprive your great grandchildren to make money today. The so called greenies are trying to preseve the remaining planet for future generations. Unfortunately there is no profit in that. As a result they are not as rich are the business owners and shareholders. As a result the natural resources of the world keep spiraling down. Nothing can be done about it except maybe violence.
Spoken like a true greenie. Yes, let's kill and hurt people to protect plants and animals! (All three of which are renewable resources, but I'll let you decide which one is more valuable.)
And that's why we are all on a collision course with calamity.
the high end ppc desktops are topping out around 900MHz, while the p4's are hitting 2GHz. there has to be another explanation besides the complaint that jobs is ignorantly sitting on his thumbs. i think he knows what he's doing.
What a strange statement, considering that neither Jobs nor Apple create the PPC chips!
It's interesting that Slashdot focuses on the six states that decided to continue litigation.
Normally I agree that Slashdot is too biased. However, in this case, they focused on the most newsworthy aspect of this development. Prior to today, the government had settled with Microsoft. It is not news when 6 states AGREE or want to continue negotiating, as much as it is news that 6 states will NOT settle.
Please keep in mind while reading the article that Intel was (and may still be) an investor in CNet. They may be hoping for a self-fulfillng prophecy with respect to Transmeta. Hopefully this is not the case and the article is fairly reported (I don't know enough about Transmeta to make that determination myself) - just be congnisant of the source.
No, Intel no longer owns any part of CNET. If they did, CNET would have included the statement indicating ownership.
I know this because a year ago or so, I noticed an Intel story that did not mention their relationship, and I contacted the author of the article. He responded that Intel had recently sold its shares in CNET.
i'm pretty sure that he meant the current economic downturn and high unemployment rates, not the fact that the US has a capitalist economy, you stupid fuck.
If you actually read his post, you would see his sentiment is very clear... he's pissed off by the fact that cool software is being sold instead of given away.
But instead of reading, why not just throw a few 'fucks' out there. Oh wait, you did that already.
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Load time Compared to IE, which takes 1-2 secs to load, Mozilla take around 8 secs to load. Not that much extra, but when my short term memory is 5 seconds, I most often choose to load IE, so I don't forget what I wanted to check out.
I'm assuming you're not using the 'turbo' option, since you didn't specify that?
IE loads when Windows starts up, which is why opening an IE window is so fast. Therefore the Mozilla turbo option competes by pre-loading just like IE (well almost).
If you are using the turbo option, and it still takes 8 seconds to load a Moz window, then something is WRONG.
This is for the civil lawsuits. The thing that will most benefit 'the people', for having been screwed by Microsoft all these years, is for Microsoft to fund development of alternative OS's.
Now THAT would hurt them in the pocket book now and later! That is a punishment that fits the crime!
Fine them $5 billion. Give money to competing OS groups, including Apple, various Linux groups/companies, Palm, BeOS groups (ala OpenBeOS), BSD groups, etc. Set aside about $1-2 billion for a foundation that will distribute money and grants to computer science OS researchers for future technology to supplant Windows.
You are completely missing the point.
I don't see that many here complaining about the amount of money this is going to cost Microsoft (although I seriously doubt it will cost them even $400 million to distribute this software).
The problem most knowledgeable people have with this settlement is that instead of being punished and having to pay out to all the effected Microsoft software users over the years, they are being told to infect thousands of schools with their software.
My hands can span 1.5 octaves on a computer...
/. message?
You must have one interesting computer keyboard!
What song were you performing as you typed your
Internet commerce should be taxed exactly the same as phone sales and mail orders, because they're the same damn thing.
How about they remove sales tax from all three?
They can start taxing internet sales as soon as they stop taxing me to pay for someone else's laziness and ineptitude.
How exactly are you SUBSIDIZING internet companies as a taxpayer when you are not paying any taxes on your purchases?
This idea really stinks!
With dynamic server-side page generation, how do you determine exactly what a "page" is?
THIS got rated a +5?
Oh I dunno, let me take a wild guess and say that a page is a single document viewed in a web browser.
Boy that was a tough question!
Qubit stopped shortly after Be Inc said that they basicly only cared about the big companys (Sony).
Uhhh, no. What happened was Qubit changed their mind and decided to go with Windows devices after their biggest clients expressed interest in things like Citrix.
Sony told Be Inc to piss off only after Be Inc said fuck it, I quit.
No, things were going downhill for Be, and everyone expected them to run out of money, but Be definitely did not give up before Sony pulled out. It was a mutual failure.
That's funny, I remember it quite differently.
Yes, they switched focus to BeIA. Was it because they hated BeOS and its users? No! They were very quickly running out of money, and they were not making headway in the desktop market, thanks in large part to our monopolistic friend and his shady deals with OEM's.
Wow, you say Steinberg ANNOUNCED a port of Nuendo? Big deal. I can't even count on my hands AND feet the number of "announced BeOS software" that never made it to market. Do you honestly think Nuendo could have saved Be at that point?
(That's beside the point, because there were still dedicated BeOS-based audio devices being released even after the focus switch to BeIA.)
Be had to drastically reduce their burn rate, and they gambled on the next big thing. In five years, you will not be saying "they failed spectacularly." You'll be saying, they were a few years to early! Contrary to the media and desktop-bigot opinions, those shitty iOpener-type devices that have been released thus far (and scrapped) are NOT internet appliances. They're crappy network computers.
Be had better things in mind. Internet-enabled stereo devices like some of the ones you see coming out recently. Webpads with touch screens and WiFi connections, which will arrive eventually (probably in the form of Tablet PC's first, and then much cheaper web-surfing tablets later).
Essentially Be wanted to move from selling to the public to licensing to device manufacturers. Thus they could (and did) heavily reduce their cash burn. Unfortunately, several potentially big deals fell through (Qubit, Compaq, and eventually Sony). And I'm sure, many more were being worked on before they were forced to sell to Palm to avoid bankruptcy and possibly keep BeOS alive somewhere.
BeOS was only a niche OS because of the current marketplace. Something the DOJ once knew but has since forgotten. Anyone that used BeOS could see it has just as much potential on the desktop as MacOS (that is to say, more so than Linux has).
It was only a few drivers/apps away from mainstream before it fell victim to the marketplace.
Some people argue that Be should have remained focused on the desktop market. But those people must have failed math, because Be would have run out of their cash MUCH sooner than they did!
Be focused on BeOS for 10 years, with not much reward financially. What made these people think another few months would turn things around?
Be had to make a change.
Be is dead. Long live Palm.
Have a look at the 'Save BeOS' petition: Around 4000 entries. So how many versions could you sell? For what price? What's your margin? Even if you would get a credit and if you wouldn't need to do dev work: You wouldn't make enough money to make Palm an attractive offer.
I am sure BeUnited is not planning to pay anything up-front to Palm. More than likely they are angling to pay Palm $X amount per each copy sold, with an agreement not to let anyone but NDA'd programmers see the source code.
1. Those employees that hate working at WorldCom will tell you how bad it is
2. Those that love working at WorldCom will tell you how great it is.
3. You will not know who to trust.
4. The rest of us will be bored out of our minds.
Thank you.
You can't go to Windows Update to download patches any more after you've turned Active Scripting off. Microsoft sends you to a page telling you to turn Active Scripting and all sorts of other dangerous things back on.
Oh dear Lord, whatever shall I do?!
What? Set active scripting to 'prompt' mode, so that I can decide when I want it used? What? Turn it on momentarily while I access Windows Update? What? Add Microsoft.com to my trusted sites list momentarily?
No... instead I will point out how ironic this is on the Microsoft-friendly site, Slashdot.
I'm sure in Linux-world you never have to make compromises in functionality, right?
I prefer the interface of KDE by far, I mean WinXP copied KDEs ideas, the taskbar grouping, they stole that
Yeah, hmmm... I wonder where KDE got that idea from... seems familiar!
Unfortunately so many linux projects have become so obsessed with attracting Windows users
Maybe they're not trying to attract Windows users. Maybe they would like programs as sophisticated as Outlook?
Just because YOU like the design philosophy of Unix doesn't mean everyone that uses Linux must like (or adhere) to that philosophy.
If you don't like it, don't use it. But obviously there is a DESIRE for this type of program in the Linux world, or it wouldn't have been created.
I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.
And I find myself on the other end of the spectrum. I'd like to be able to view just the highly-rated funny comments...
...the karma cap is removed.
There is no profit in preserving life. A bluefin tuna swimming in the ocean is worthless to anybody. The same tuna when killed is worth a thousand dollars.
What is your point? That we should stop eating tuna so that there will be more tuna swimming in the water?
Same with clean waters and clean air. They are both worthless but if you can make a lot of money polluting them.
Bad analogy. With tuna, you kill it to make a profit. With water/air, you don't pollute it to make a profit, you make a profit and the by-product is pollution. But you act as if we've made no strides in this area. Every century it gets better. Eventually we will come as close as we can to pure air/water without giving up the benefits of modern society.
The problem is one of ethics. Most people are willing to deprive your great grandchildren to make money today. The so called greenies are trying to preseve the remaining planet for future generations. Unfortunately there is no profit in that. As a result they are not as rich are the business owners and shareholders. As a result the natural resources of the world keep spiraling down. Nothing can be done about it except maybe violence.
Spoken like a true greenie. Yes, let's kill and hurt people to protect plants and animals! (All three of which are renewable resources, but I'll let you decide which one is more valuable.)
And that's why we are all on a collision course with calamity.
Nope, but my grandchildren might be.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Kotex US Marines
Gives new meaning to the phrase, "We will insert our Marines into enemy territory soon."
the high end ppc desktops are topping out around 900MHz, while the p4's are hitting 2GHz. there has to be another explanation besides the complaint that jobs is ignorantly sitting on his thumbs. i think he knows what he's doing.
What a strange statement, considering that neither Jobs nor Apple create the PPC chips!
Boy you guys sure must fail in reading comprehension tests! His meaning is very clear in the very first sentence:
"Personally, i feel programs like these are great. However, having to pay for them takes the purpose out of any free operating system."
He's bitching that he has to pay for software, not any of the lofty ideals of which you speak.
Sheesh...
It's interesting that Slashdot focuses on the six states that decided to continue litigation.
Normally I agree that Slashdot is too biased. However, in this case, they focused on the most newsworthy aspect of this development. Prior to today, the government had settled with Microsoft. It is not news when 6 states AGREE or want to continue negotiating, as much as it is news that 6 states will NOT settle.
Intel is an investor in CNET...
No, they are not. If you have proof otherwise, please point a link to it. CNET told me a year ago that Intel no longer holds CNET stock.
Please keep in mind while reading the article that Intel was (and may still be) an investor in CNet. They may be hoping for a self-fulfillng prophecy with respect to Transmeta. Hopefully this is not the case and the article is fairly reported (I don't know enough about Transmeta to make that determination myself) - just be congnisant of the source.
No, Intel no longer owns any part of CNET. If they did, CNET would have included the statement indicating ownership.
I know this because a year ago or so, I noticed an Intel story that did not mention their relationship, and I contacted the author of the article. He responded that Intel had recently sold its shares in CNET.
i'm pretty sure that he meant the current economic downturn and high unemployment rates, not the fact that the US has a capitalist economy, you stupid fuck.
If you actually read his post, you would see his sentiment is very clear... he's pissed off by the fact that cool software is being sold instead of given away.
But instead of reading, why not just throw a few 'fucks' out there. Oh wait, you did that already.