It's different because society doesn't have to bear the costs of manufacturing and pollution that physical processes produce.
Creating software is not margianally different than creating a book, creating a movie, creating a song, creating a picture, or creating anything else on a computer. Until there's a finished output, for all intents and purposes, sitting in front of a PC is feeding input into the machine, letting it think, and extracting the output.
Unless you want to see a tax on creating content in general on a PC?
I happen to have a macho build that can't download files, like, say, the next Mozilla:( http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69 938
The problem first started appearing in Feb; before, at least, the files lived in/tmp
Now they don't download at all. I have to fire up IE or an older version of Moz to download files now. I'll grab tonight's version, and see if 0.9.9 fixes it.
What does just/justice, the economy, and government intervention have *anything* to do with each other?
Besides, it's not a crime to be too big; it's a crime to do act illegally while holding a monopoly. The reason this is important is that because they are a monopoly, they hold hostage *everyone* who use their products. It is, essentially, a problem waiting to happen. Some would argue the problem has already happened, and this trial is the punitive phase:)
This is pretty good, though it's unquestionably their good fortune to have such good starting material too.
I'm going to have to get the Gold edition, if I can PayPal it!
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Argh, but how painful is oggdrop when you want to rip 10 CDs?
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Hmmm, well, now I gotta wonder; what is he going to use to play/encode oggs on his G4?
Or is it gonna be a Linux cube, and does he plan to do all his ripping and encoding and playback on a PC?
I own a Mac, and haven't found much info. An iTunes plugin would be wonderful, or a small standalone player ala mpg123... iTunes ripping, using AppleScripts and oggenc, similar to the LAME encoder, would be awesome too, but as of 3 weeks ago, I couldn't get oggenc to compile under OS X:(
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What is on a DVD except a software copy of the original?
You mean you would prefer to pay $29 for 2 pieces of aluminum and acrylic, some polyester-acrylic pigments, a few sheets of coated paper, and a polyvinyl plastic case?
DVDs are a convenient storage mechanism. Anyway, good luck with finding free 'throw away' stuff. I own stuff worth paying for, myself:)
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If QoS is implemented in MPEG4, then it should be fairly easy to discover at the ISP and content server level how many bits you've downloaded, and charge you per bit...
It's up to the software to provide you with rewind and disc storage capability;)
A company with a number between 2% to 5% of the market gets so much attention?
If *everyone* reads this kind of article (Newsweek, Time, Slashdot, anywhere), Apple gets tons of free advertising, even though just about any PC can do the rip, mix, burn thing. Or rather, I think they can. I always build my own, so I actually don't know what a Dell or Compaq can do.
Anyone here own a Compaq or Dell? Is it as simple as 'Rip, Mix, and Burn'? I'm not joking when I say that this *is* how simple it is on the Mac. Writing a CD is similarly simple; select, drag, and burn.
I can mount the partitions. Boot using apple-s and then execute 'mount -a' and/Applications and/Users mount correctly.
It is the OS that fails to mount the partitions, and I'm trying to figure out if there's a particular order in which the boot process expects things, and if that order isn't (yet) being respected. If you know anything of this, can you help?
Anyway, why do you accuse me of being a troll? You said On the one hand, Apple brags about how its OS is based on BSD. On the other hand, Apple software (from the OS itself on down to the supremely moronic iPhoto) encourages -- nay, all but demands that you format your entire 60 GB drive as a single partition for all your application files, libraries, developer tools, logs, etc., etc.
I gave you a link that shows you that nothing forces you to a single partition for applications (Mine is on/Applications), libraries (my ~/Library is in/Users, my/System/Library is on/), developer tools (on/), logs, etc., etc. (I have my swapfiles on/Swapfile)
Yes, the Apple installer is moronic in assuming that all the apps are in their default locations, but the installer still works if you use different partitions. The problem is if you put iPhoto in/System/Library, then the updater tries to put the updated files in/Applications/iPhoto.app
Apple *does* have a one view mentality, but it doesn't force it. The fact that some of Apple's installers can find my apps (like iTunes, iMovie, or DVD Player) while others can't (like Image Capture, Mail, or iPhoto) speaks of inconsistency and incompetence, not draconian fist.
A computer is a tool. As a tool, it's capability depends on using the tool properly. Like using a hammer to pound in screws, or a screwdriver to strip paint, or a hacksaw to trim hedges.
Which means that, like a tool, there was a envisioned usage. Unlike a screwdriver, however, a computer is at least as flexible as the user, so that the machine can become much more powerful than a single purpose, single usage tool.
I own a Mac, so I feel free to comment. I don't know if you do, so I am unsure as to how valid your comments are.
The UI is not the tool. The OS is not the tool. The UI and the OS is the controls, the manner in which I as a person leverage my goals and drive. With my Mac, with iMovie and Quicktime Pro (two tools), I have the flexibility and power to do things the way I want to. With gcc and the BSD layer, I have the flexibility and power to do things the way I want to.
I do not muck about with the way gcc handles #defines and directives, code parsing, or assembly. I *can*, if I want to look at the source, but I don't. Likewise the OS handles the file naming, location, sharing, UI, and networking. I personally do muck around with all of those, but I don't have to, either. Mucking around with gcc source or with an OS UI is not about a computer adapting to the user, it's about the user trying to improve the underlying functionality.
I have no idea what you're doing wrong. I have 4 partitions on my laptop: / /Users /Applications /swap
I don't mean to insult you by being blunt, but something is wrong if you can't partition your drive.
My only problem with the setup is that when I reboot it will fail to mount/Users and/Applications. Reboot again, and my/Users and/Applications are mounted. I don't know what the problem is, but I'm looking into it.
If you need help, this is what I used: http://www.kung-foo.tv/xtips.shtml
Yes. Winamp too, once, when they were still independent. Why do you ask?
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The person featured in the story witnessing the theft a computer consultant in the Dallas area at a local CompUSA? I don't think he was an employee of CompUSA, else he would have stopped the little bugger.
Isn't that wonderful though? Can afford a $399 iPod but can't afford Office vX? Heck, maybe the iPod was stolen too?
The nice thing about the Apple laptops and the PPC series (I have a G4 PowerBook) is that, when you do something 'simple' like email and word processing, the hardware has the capability to throttle down the CPU (from 600MHz to 500MHz) as well as insert idle states, both are separate capabilities.
Even better, if you have enough ram, the system will put the drive to sleep too. It really isn't all that far off from the original poster's wish.
My laptop, when I'm just listening to music (screen off, only an mp3 player on) can play for about 6 hours. This is an mp3 player that sucks 20% of the CPU, too. Anyway, the Mac laptops are some of the most portable laptops around:)
Have you considered a 14" 600MHz 6lb iBook for your needs?
Word, Office, bash, sips at the battery, and comes with a fairly hefty 55W battery too. It runs, what, at a rated 6hours on a single battery? I suspect it runs lower, of course, but still, 4.5 hours isn't horrible.
I mean, what better way to encourage people to upgrade from 'old' iMacs to 'new' iMacs when you show them the ability to burn DVD data at 4x the speed?
'With our old iMac you were able to burn a DVD in real time, which was incredible, but that still took forever. 90 minutes of video would take over your computer for too long, so we fixed that. With the new 1.4GHz processors, you can encode your DVDs at four times the speed. You can burn your home movies, 90 minutes of video, in just twenty minutes. Isn't that wonderful? We've also added the capability of storing up to three hours of video on a DVD. That's 180 minutes of video, and it still only takes 45 minutes to burn. We think you'll find this very exciting. Marvelous.'
Something like that. Can't you just hear him saying something like that?
Don't you mean 2 1GHz G4s?
I suspect Jobs won't be using Photoshop to compared PCs with Macs. He'll be using things like iDVD, iMovie, and the ilk. I mean, those are the biggest reasons to buy a Mac, right now. At least on the consumer level.
You can run a publication business without worrying about color matching or color processes, either. You lose business from people who want to guarantee that print output matches design intent, but you will find people who don't care, either.
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I'm assuming it's a CD-RW you guys are talking about, otherwise 4.8G of data at 1.1MBps == >> 4000s --> 3600sph == >> 1hour per DVD ;.;
It's different because society doesn't have to bear the costs of manufacturing and pollution that physical processes produce.
Creating software is not margianally different than creating a book, creating a movie, creating a song, creating a picture, or creating anything else on a computer. Until there's a finished output, for all intents and purposes, sitting in front of a PC is feeding input into the machine, letting it think, and extracting the output.
Unless you want to see a tax on creating content in general on a PC?
I happen to have a macho build that can't download files, like, say, the next Mozilla :(9 938
/tmp
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
The problem first started appearing in Feb; before, at least, the files lived in
Now they don't download at all. I have to fire up IE or an older version of Moz to download files now. I'll grab tonight's version, and see if 0.9.9 fixes it.
What does just/justice, the economy, and government intervention have *anything* to do with each other?
:)
Besides, it's not a crime to be too big; it's a crime to do act illegally while holding a monopoly. The reason this is important is that because they are a monopoly, they hold hostage *everyone* who use their products. It is, essentially, a problem waiting to happen. Some would argue the problem has already happened, and this trial is the punitive phase
Hey Zack, any idea how to get macho-mozilla to prebind correctly? My Fink binaries aren't prebound, so mozilla doesn't prebind.
Yeah, just did that. They really should put buttons on the front for this :)
This is pretty good, though it's unquestionably their good fortune to have such good starting material too.
I'm going to have to get the Gold edition, if I can PayPal it!
Argh, but how painful is oggdrop when you want to rip 10 CDs?
Hmmm, well, now I gotta wonder; what is he going to use to play/encode oggs on his G4?
:(
Or is it gonna be a Linux cube, and does he plan to do all his ripping and encoding and playback on a PC?
I own a Mac, and haven't found much info. An iTunes plugin would be wonderful, or a small standalone player ala mpg123... iTunes ripping, using AppleScripts and oggenc, similar to the LAME encoder, would be awesome too, but as of 3 weeks ago, I couldn't get oggenc to compile under OS X
What is on a DVD except a software copy of the original?
:)
You mean you would prefer to pay $29 for 2 pieces of aluminum and acrylic, some polyester-acrylic pigments, a few sheets of coated paper, and a polyvinyl plastic case?
DVDs are a convenient storage mechanism.
Anyway, good luck with finding free 'throw away' stuff. I own stuff worth paying for, myself
If QoS is implemented in MPEG4, then it should be fairly easy to discover at the ISP and content server level how many bits you've downloaded, and charge you per bit...
;)
It's up to the software to provide you with rewind and disc storage capability
Wow. I totally forgot how painful it was to install a CD burner on my PC.
It was *slightly* easier on my PC, but yeah, something like that.
A company with a number between 2% to 5% of the market gets so much attention?
If *everyone* reads this kind of article (Newsweek, Time, Slashdot, anywhere), Apple gets tons of free advertising, even though just about any PC can do the rip, mix, burn thing. Or rather, I think they can. I always build my own, so I actually don't know what a Dell or Compaq can do.
Anyone here own a Compaq or Dell? Is it as simple as 'Rip, Mix, and Burn'? I'm not joking when I say that this *is* how simple it is on the Mac. Writing a CD is similarly simple; select, drag, and burn.
I can mount the partitions. Boot using apple-s and then execute 'mount -a' and /Applications and /Users mount correctly.
It is the OS that fails to mount the partitions, and I'm trying to figure out if there's a particular order in which the boot process expects things, and if that order isn't (yet) being respected. If you know anything of this, can you help?
Anyway, why do you accuse me of being a troll? You said On the one hand, Apple brags about how its OS is based on BSD. On the other hand, Apple software (from the OS itself on down to the supremely moronic iPhoto) encourages -- nay, all but demands that you format your entire 60 GB drive as a single partition for all your application files, libraries, developer tools, logs, etc., etc.
I gave you a link that shows you that nothing forces you to a single partition for applications (Mine is on /Applications), libraries (my ~/Library is in /Users, my /System/Library is on /), developer tools (on /), logs, etc., etc. (I have my swapfiles on /Swapfile)
Yes, the Apple installer is moronic in assuming that all the apps are in their default locations, but the installer still works if you use different partitions. The problem is if you put iPhoto in /System/Library, then the updater tries to put the updated files in /Applications/iPhoto.app
Apple *does* have a one view mentality, but it doesn't force it. The fact that some of Apple's installers can find my apps (like iTunes, iMovie, or DVD Player) while others can't (like Image Capture, Mail, or iPhoto) speaks of inconsistency and incompetence, not draconian fist.
I actually think you have it backwards, slightly.
A computer is a tool. As a tool, it's capability depends on using the tool properly. Like using a hammer to pound in screws, or a screwdriver to strip paint, or a hacksaw to trim hedges.
Which means that, like a tool, there was a envisioned usage. Unlike a screwdriver, however, a computer is at least as flexible as the user, so that the machine can become much more powerful than a single purpose, single usage tool.
I own a Mac, so I feel free to comment. I don't know if you do, so I am unsure as to how valid your comments are.
The UI is not the tool. The OS is not the tool. The UI and the OS is the controls, the manner in which I as a person leverage my goals and drive. With my Mac, with iMovie and Quicktime Pro (two tools), I have the flexibility and power to do things the way I want to. With gcc and the BSD layer, I have the flexibility and power to do things the way I want to.
I do not muck about with the way gcc handles #defines and directives, code parsing, or assembly. I *can*, if I want to look at the source, but I don't. Likewise the OS handles the file naming, location, sharing, UI, and networking. I personally do muck around with all of those, but I don't have to, either. Mucking around with gcc source or with an OS UI is not about a computer adapting to the user, it's about the user trying to improve the underlying functionality.
I have no idea what you're doing wrong.
/Users and /Applications. Reboot again, and my /Users and /Applications are mounted. I don't know what the problem is, but I'm looking into it.
I have 4 partitions on my laptop:
/
/Users
/Applications
/swap
I don't mean to insult you by being blunt, but something is wrong if you can't partition your drive.
My only problem with the setup is that when I reboot it will fail to mount
If you need help, this is what I used: http://www.kung-foo.tv/xtips.shtml
Yes. Winamp too, once, when they were still independent. Why do you ask?
The person featured in the story witnessing the theft a computer consultant in the Dallas area at a local CompUSA? I don't think he was an employee of CompUSA, else he would have stopped the little bugger.
Isn't that wonderful though? Can afford a $399 iPod but can't afford Office vX? Heck, maybe the iPod was stolen too?
The nice thing about the Apple laptops and the PPC series (I have a G4 PowerBook) is that, when you do something 'simple' like email and word processing, the hardware has the capability to throttle down the CPU (from 600MHz to 500MHz) as well as insert idle states, both are separate capabilities.
:)
Even better, if you have enough ram, the system will put the drive to sleep too. It really isn't all that far off from the original poster's wish.
My laptop, when I'm just listening to music (screen off, only an mp3 player on) can play for about 6 hours. This is an mp3 player that sucks 20% of the CPU, too. Anyway, the Mac laptops are some of the most portable laptops around
Have you considered a 14" 600MHz 6lb iBook for your needs?
Word, Office, bash, sips at the battery, and comes with a fairly hefty 55W battery too. It runs, what, at a rated 6hours on a single battery? I suspect it runs lower, of course, but still, 4.5 hours isn't horrible.
Well, they wouldn't be making 2 hour movies; maybe 6 20 minute movies, for example.
And you're right, the DVD-R is going to be the limiting factor, but I doubt it will be so for long.
Maybe he'll start comparing against itself!
I mean, what better way to encourage people to upgrade from 'old' iMacs to 'new' iMacs when you show them the ability to burn DVD data at 4x the speed?
'With our old iMac you were able to burn a DVD in real time, which was incredible, but that still took forever. 90 minutes of video would take over your computer for too long, so we fixed that. With the new 1.4GHz processors, you can encode your DVDs at four times the speed. You can burn your home movies, 90 minutes of video, in just twenty minutes. Isn't that wonderful?
We've also added the capability of storing up to three hours of video on a DVD. That's 180 minutes of video, and it still only takes 45 minutes to burn. We think you'll find this very exciting. Marvelous.'
Something like that. Can't you just hear him saying something like that?
Don't you mean 2 1GHz G4s?
I suspect Jobs won't be using Photoshop to compared PCs with Macs. He'll be using things like iDVD, iMovie, and the ilk. I mean, those are the biggest reasons to buy a Mac, right now. At least on the consumer level.
Unfortunately, the 'desktop' application that needs this sort of power...
iMovie
iDVD
Quartz (the displayPDF layer)
The stuff that you would need a Mac for...
Only for now.
You can run a publication business without worrying about color matching or color processes, either. You lose business from people who want to guarantee that print output matches design intent, but you will find people who don't care, either.