But chances are not many people switched to Linux w/o some prior interest in computer technology and/or hate of MS
I actually think that the people who havent switched to a unix based platform (Mac/Linux/BSD) are just afraid of change, period. They have too much invested in knowing how to do a three finger salute in windows and are afraid they won't know how to do Ctrl-Alt-Del in other OSes. There is no benefit to stawing in Windows today unless your job depends on it.
My mother uses linux _without knowing_ when she visits me and always compliments me on my "lunix thing" and asks what she needs to download to make it look the same.
I'm not the original AC, but here's a few points that she probably thought of when she posted:
1. You say you use Linux/FreeBSD exclusively but you don't know the difference between OSS and Free software. You heard of RMS, so you're not oblivious to the politics.
2. signature troll keywords: "This is not a Troll", "RMS", "Windoze"
3. You criticize the original poster for using the word "exclusive", then make a rethorical question in the other direction ("ignorant").
4. You almost make sense, a trademark of a successful bulshitter.
I'm not trying to be _too_ abrasive, I'm trying to give you that justification you asked for. BTW, KDE3 is very low on the list of "why people accomplish what they need with linux" in my opinion.
Perhaps the motive is what they say it is, and _we're_ the lazy programmers in front of our computers being cynical about other people acting on their political beliefs ?
It looks to be about on par or slightly less functional than MS Access
lets not get drastic now... MySQL is to MS Access what home made cooking is to airplane snack packs.
The "attention" it gets (strike "from the linux community") is mainly due to speed and ease of administration. Thousands of LAMP sites use it (including slashdot) and don't need the bloat of other RDBMS.
Having said this, if you need more features, you could look at Postgres, but it seems you may have already made up your mind in getting some hand holding and fuzzies from the Oracle tech support:)
The talking paperclip was also supposed to change the way we do work in offices all around the world. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 300 times, sink an industry, hurt an economy and what do we do ? We re-invent the Microsoft square wheel and call it MONO.
. Surely they will not shift standards on us; . surely they will not hide APIs on their implementations; . surely they will not "extend" their product and introduce imcompatibilities;
Yea, I see a future of no pain for adopters of MONO...
How is marketing-speak about a OS that is to be launched 4 year from now by a company that is famous for its vaporware, empty promises and slipping launch dates for buggy software "News that matters"?
If they make money of it, some of those money will get funneled back into the community.
At the price of credibility ? Lindows will not do Linux any favors as far as credibility goes. Windows applications crashing (and they will) will be blamed on the OS, not the distribution, same for security issues. We can see now, even before they release a final product, that Lindows DOES NOT play well in the free software community.
Lindows is a poison pill for Linux as far as public perception goes.
"Convenience" and "security" can't really be used when describing something such as this.
Something such as this can only be described if "Convenience" and "security" is really used (to use your words in a different order). To say this is impossible right off the bat is like saying "public key cryptography is impossible" 10 years ago.
Most people think there are only two options, good passwords and bad passwords, but in practice there is also the "no password" option. If a user has to use an unique, hard to crack password there is a good chance he will write it down or save it somewhere, opening a new can of worms. If you tell management to add hard to crack passwords to screen savers in an office they will laught at you and say 'no', or you will soon find yellow notes on monitors, but let them just use any password and you now have 'some' security in place. I'm not saying sysadmins should change all root passwords to "God", hard passwords have its place, but so do easy ones. At least these people used passwords.
I think you are confusing Open Source with Free Software, they are not one and the same. While its true that free software has to be open source, the reverse is not true.
Free Software fills a very important position in the software landscape, and it is hard to say if its more or less important than Open Source software.
From 9.9 to 9.99 would mean 90 releases (9.10, 9.11,...).
In your time gap of 1 year that would be a release +- every 4 days. You give the mozilla team too much credit IMO:)
I wish Mozilla would stay with the browser first, and develop the other components as add-ons. I never downloaded communicator, always hunting down the hidden Navigator files.
I Mozilla ever bloats to the communicator level I will start looking for a _browser_ again.
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Is it really really neccessary to have a cheap shot at MS no matter how little the post might be related
Yes. This is not a popularity vote, it's a jab at a company that has affected more lives than any other. Here's another one for good measure:
"Microsoft is not the answer to anything, it's the question. The answer is NO."
But chances are not many people switched to Linux w/o some prior interest in computer technology and/or hate of MS
I actually think that the people who havent switched to a unix based platform (Mac/Linux/BSD) are just afraid of change, period. They have too much invested in knowing how to do a three finger salute in windows and are afraid they won't know how to do Ctrl-Alt-Del in other OSes. There is no benefit to stawing in Windows today unless your job depends on it.
My mother uses linux _without knowing_ when she visits me and always compliments me on my "lunix thing" and asks what she needs to download to make it look the same.
* better browsing experience
This used to be a subjective matter, but with the latest Mozilla based browsers it's pretty much a given that Mozilla browsers better than MS IE.
* better word processing
whatever. I dont see a difference. OO and Abiword do just as much as MS Word
* Solitaire. Much better on Windows.
I hope this was a joke
* E-mail. Outlook and Outlook Express. No better mail client.
The few look-and-feel advantages are not worth the virus/worm vector.
I don't know why people _don't_ switch. I've been using linux on the desktop for the last 2-3 years, and don't miss a thing from the Microsoft world.
I'm not the original AC, but here's a few points that she probably thought of when she posted:
1. You say you use Linux/FreeBSD exclusively but you don't know the difference between OSS and Free software. You heard of RMS, so you're not oblivious to the politics.
2. signature troll keywords: "This is not a Troll", "RMS", "Windoze"
3. You criticize the original poster for using the word "exclusive", then make a rethorical question in the other direction ("ignorant").
4. You almost make sense, a trademark of a successful bulshitter.
I'm not trying to be _too_ abrasive, I'm trying to give you that justification you asked for. BTW, KDE3 is very low on the list of "why people accomplish what they need with linux" in my opinion.
if you are interested, please email me
If you're going to ask for email feedback, giving a fake address doesn't help.
tstock
Check out WWW::Automate if you need to code a web application test in perl.
digital-web.com is down. Talk about obsolete...
Somewhere along the line the choice was made to depend on Microsoft professionally.
Perhaps the motive is what they say it is, and _we're_ the lazy programmers in front of our computers being cynical about other people acting on their political beliefs ?
It looks to be about on par or slightly less functional than MS Access
:)
lets not get drastic now... MySQL is to MS Access what home made cooking is to airplane snack packs. The "attention" it gets (strike "from the linux community") is mainly due to speed and ease of administration. Thousands of LAMP sites use it (including slashdot) and don't need the bloat of other RDBMS.
Having said this, if you need more features, you could look at Postgres, but it seems you may have already made up your mind in getting some hand holding and fuzzies from the Oracle tech support
tstock
The talking paperclip was also supposed to change the way we do work in offices all around the world. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 300 times, sink an industry, hurt an economy and what do we do ? We re-invent the Microsoft square wheel and call it MONO.
. Surely they will not shift standards on us;
. surely they will not hide APIs on their implementations;
. surely they will not "extend" their product and introduce imcompatibilities;
Yea, I see a future of no pain for adopters of MONO...
How is marketing-speak about a OS that is to be launched 4 year from now by a company that is famous for its vaporware, empty promises and slipping launch dates for buggy software "News that matters"?
If they make money of it, some of those money will get funneled back into the community.
At the price of credibility ? Lindows will not do Linux any favors as far as credibility goes. Windows applications crashing (and they will) will be blamed on the OS, not the distribution, same for security issues. We can see now, even before they release a final product, that Lindows DOES NOT play well in the free software community.
Lindows is a poison pill for Linux as far as public perception goes.
Open Source Security: A Look at the Security Benefits of Source Code Access
available here
This has been discussed on Permonks
You can also read the discussion that led to this here
tstock
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"Convenience" and "security" can't really be used when describing something such as this.
Something such as this can only be described if "Convenience" and "security" is really used (to use your words in a different order). To say this is impossible right off the bat is like saying "public key cryptography is impossible" 10 years ago.
tstock
I read this as almost good news.
Most people think there are only two options, good passwords and bad passwords, but in practice there is also the "no password" option. If a user has to use an unique, hard to crack password there is a good chance he will write it down or save it somewhere, opening a new can of worms. If you tell management to add hard to crack passwords to screen savers in an office they will laught at you and say 'no', or you will soon find yellow notes on monitors, but let them just use any password and you now have 'some' security in place. I'm not saying sysadmins should change all root passwords to "God", hard passwords have its place, but so do easy ones. At least these people used passwords.
Think of it as paying for the service, not the content, and it becomes more palatable.
I think the effort here is to pay the bills, not to make a killing in profit.
Tiago
This reminds me of the userfriendly cartoon here
Tiago
IBM has spent more than a "dime" on linux for desktop systems, and not giving them credit for it is... well rude.
start at this page
Quote: "These packages are distributed with source code but are not open source because there are restrictions on redistributing the code"
so what ? It's still open source. If he doesn't know the difference he shouldn't be commenting on the subject.
I think you are confusing Open Source with Free Software, they are not one and the same. While its true that free software has to be open source, the reverse is not true.
Free Software fills a very important position in the software landscape, and it is hard to say if its more or less important than Open Source software.
From 9.9 to 9.99 would mean 90 releases (9.10, 9.11, ...).
:)
In your time gap of 1 year that would be a release +- every 4 days. You give the mozilla team too much credit IMO
I wish Mozilla would stay with the browser first, and develop the other components as add-ons. I never downloaded communicator, always hunting down the hidden Navigator files.
I Mozilla ever bloats to the communicator level I will start looking for a _browser_ again.