Yes, but by my read of said FAQ, the mere act of running a SSH service on your desktop Linux magically transforms it into a $699 Linux server.
From the FAQ:
What is the definition of a client vs a server system? How do I know which license to purchase?
A Linux (Client) Desktop system is a single user computer workstation running Linux. It may provide personal productivity applications, web browsers and other client interfaces (e.g., mail, calendering, instant messaging, etc). It may not host services for clients on other systems.
if you want to see what is arguably the most beautifully set city in North America, then by all means come on over. There's the ocean on one side, the mountains on another, an excellent park with a great walkable seawall.
What we lack in electronics we make up for in natural beauty:-)
I use Debian and run testing/unstable. I would rather just run testing, but since testing is stuck with evolution 1.0.5 (versus 1.4.0 in unstable), kde 2.2.25 (vs 3.1.1), mozilla 1.0.0 (vs 1.3.1), etc, etc, I have no real choice.
This works for me because I'm sufficiently careful and technically competent enough to work thru the inevitable issues. It won't work for any number of other people.
IMHO, Debian does need to do something to provide a more up to date desktop. The big issue with this seems to be the multi-platform support that Debian is rightly proud of. However, it also seems to hold Debian back. At the risk of committing Debian heresy I would suggest that Debian implement 2 classes of platforms. This would prevent the situation whereby a problem in a little used platform stops a package from advancing in all platforms. Obviously x86 (where x >= 5) would be a 1st class platform; perhaps PPC would be as well.
With a 2 class platform situation the vast majority of Debian users could expect to have an up to date, stable system and those using a 2nd class platform would have to wait a while longer, but would eventually get there as well.
Yes, I realize that I will be flamed for suggesting that Debian discriminate, but so be it. IMO practicality trumps principle in this case.
Re:The nicest Unix front-end ever?
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Don't you mean "The nicest SCO OS front-end ever" ?:-)
Indeed, if memory serves, early eighties System V was SVR3 not SVR4. It was only at SVR4 did System V start to try to catch up with BSD - job control? what's that?
Despite what others are saying, these kind of large movements rarely happen without a trigger of some sort. It could be news, it could be rumour; but there's usually something causing it. So, I would say, yes, something has happened that we are currently unaware of. The true importance of this something is a different issue altogether.
Be that as it may, it's a different issue from what the original poster was complaining about. The Irving situation (assuming it is as stated) is a well-known tax dodge used to shift a company's profits from one tax domain to a lower tax-rate tax domain. It is not specific to oil and it is not specific to Eastern Canada.
Western Canadian oil is sold (to everyone, even the US) at the world price. AFAIK the cost of transporting said oil to US is, again, market driven. Oil imported from the Middle East (and everywhere else) is bought at the world price. AFAIK, Middle East oil transportation costs are not artificially high; once again, a market driven cost.
So, please explain how it is the Western Canadian oil "is exported to the US very cheaply", whereas we "import oil from the Middle East at much higher prices".
I do hope that there is a rationale explanation and that we are not witnessing yet another example of Eastern Canada thinking it is entitled to Western Canada's resources at whatever pittance it is willing to pay. Shades of Trudeau and the NEP.
Unless the ability to compile the source and run the resulting binaries is there, this is a meaningless gesture as there is absolutely no way of knowing whether a given version of the OS matches up with the allegedly corresponding source.
What's even more ludicrous is that most 18in and 19in LCDs also have a native resolution of 1280x1024. I run my 19in CRT at 1440x1080x85Hz and I'll be damned if I pay a premium for the priviledge of getting less visual real estate.
Re:Devil's Advocate post...
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Off topic, but hey.
I used the Progeny beta installer to install a minimum system. I then adjusted sources.list to point to woody (was testing at that time) and bada bing, bada bam, bada boom - a graphically installed woody (what's now 3.0) debian.
FWIW, the Progeny installer is now at 1.0 - apparently not a beta anymore.
This is Canada we're talking about. We'll end up with both by the time those idiots in Ottawa are done!
Is there nothing we can do to fight this ridiculous tax? How about a version of the Boston Tea Party where we take heaps of CDs (those free AOL ones would do nicely) and dump them on the lawns of the legislature?
Having said that. Both the anti-American and
anti-Canadian posts:
a) don't really belong in/. , and
b) are really fucking ignorant as both countries have
oodles of (usually different kinds of) faults.
As others have pointed out, Zero Knowledge made
a business decision, it did not initiate a war
against linux (as opposed to a certain Redmond,
WA company). So, getting upset about it is,
well, silly. However, if you must get emotional
about, do it productively and start an open
source equivalent project. The phrase "don't get
mad, get even" comes to mind for some reason.
Slashdot Mirror
Wouldn't buying puts result in the same effect in a less complex manner?
From the FAQ:
if you want to see what is arguably the most beautifully set city in North America, then by all means come on over. There's the ocean on one side, the mountains on another, an excellent park with a great walkable seawall.
:-)
What we lack in electronics we make up for in natural beauty
I use Debian and run testing/unstable. I would rather just run testing, but since testing is stuck with evolution 1.0.5 (versus 1.4.0 in unstable), kde 2.2.25 (vs 3.1.1), mozilla 1.0.0 (vs 1.3.1), etc, etc, I have no real choice.
This works for me because I'm sufficiently careful and technically competent enough to work thru the inevitable issues. It won't work for any number of other people.
IMHO, Debian does need to do something to provide a more up to date desktop. The big issue with this seems to be the multi-platform support that Debian is rightly proud of. However, it also seems to hold Debian back. At the risk of committing Debian heresy I would suggest that Debian implement 2 classes of platforms. This would prevent the situation whereby a problem in a little used platform stops a package from advancing in all platforms. Obviously x86 (where x >= 5) would be a 1st class platform; perhaps PPC would be as well.
With a 2 class platform situation the vast majority of Debian users could expect to have an up to date, stable system and those using a 2nd class platform would have to wait a while longer, but would eventually get there as well.
Yes, I realize that I will be flamed for suggesting that Debian discriminate, but so be it. IMO practicality trumps principle in this case.
Don't you mean "The nicest SCO OS front-end ever" ? :-)
Indeed, if memory serves, early eighties System V was SVR3 not SVR4. It was only at SVR4 did System V start to try to catch up with BSD - job control? what's that?
Despite what others are saying, these kind of large
movements rarely happen without a trigger of some sort. It could be news, it could be rumour; but there's usually something causing it. So, I would say, yes, something has happened that we are currently unaware of. The true importance of this something is a different issue altogether.
Be that as it may, it's a different issue from what the original poster was complaining about. The Irving situation (assuming it is as stated) is a well-known tax dodge used to shift a company's profits from one tax domain to a lower tax-rate tax domain. It is not specific to oil and it is not specific to Eastern Canada.
Jim Robinson
Western Canadian oil is sold (to everyone, even the US) at the world price. AFAIK the cost of transporting said oil to US is, again, market driven. Oil imported from the Middle East (and everywhere else) is bought at the world price. AFAIK, Middle East oil transportation costs are not artificially high; once again, a market driven cost.
So, please explain how it is the Western Canadian oil "is exported to the US very cheaply", whereas we "import oil from the Middle East at much higher prices".
I do hope that there is a rationale explanation and that we are not witnessing yet another example of Eastern Canada thinking it is entitled to Western Canada's resources at whatever pittance it is willing to pay. Shades of Trudeau and the NEP.
Jim Robinson
Vancouver, BC
Canada
Unless the ability to compile the source and run the resulting binaries is there, this is a meaningless gesture as there is absolutely no way of knowing whether a given version of the OS matches up with the allegedly corresponding source.
Tell them "sure, no prob", but tell them that you'll
charge $X/hour to perform the audit and ask them to draw up the PO.
What's even more ludicrous is that most 18in and 19in LCDs also have a native resolution of 1280x1024. I run my 19in CRT at 1440x1080x85Hz and I'll be damned if I pay a premium for the priviledge of getting less visual real estate.
Off topic, but hey.
I used the Progeny beta installer to install a minimum system. I then adjusted sources.list to point to woody (was testing at that time) and bada bing, bada bam, bada boom - a graphically installed woody (what's now 3.0) debian.
FWIW, the Progeny installer is now at 1.0 - apparently not a beta anymore.
This is Canada we're talking about. We'll end up
with both by the time those idiots in Ottawa are
done!
Is there nothing we can do to fight this ridiculous
tax? How about a version of the Boston Tea Party
where we take heaps of CDs (those free AOL
ones would do nicely) and dump them on the lawns
of the legislature?
Diabetics would probably disagree.
/. , and
Having said that. Both the anti-American and
anti-Canadian posts:
a) don't really belong in
b) are really fucking ignorant as both countries have
oodles of (usually different kinds of) faults.
That is true of Mundie. Allchin's and Balmer's tirades specifically did not mention the GPL and talked about open source software.
As others have pointed out, Zero Knowledge made a business decision, it did not initiate a war against linux (as opposed to a certain Redmond, WA company). So, getting upset about it is, well, silly. However, if you must get emotional about, do it productively and start an open source equivalent project. The phrase "don't get mad, get even" comes to mind for some reason.