Also, as far as I can judge his character, Carmack doesn't launch rockets into space because he thinks it's big business but because he loves space and the idea of exploring it. Equally he doesn't code open source because it makes good business sense for iD but because ethically it is the right thing to do. I think he rejects the monopolization of code (such as in closed source operating systems) for the same reasons that other coders who remember the pre-microsoft era do; critical social functions should be open to society to control and tweak.
Same here, my mother is using debian, firefox, google mail and openoffice allows her MS compatible document exchange for her charity work; the box is behind a firewall and the setup works flawlessly.
People who claim linux isn't ready for this kind of setup are clueless, it is windows which cannot function properly in this setup; my mothers friends all operate spyware and virus infested zombie spam mail systems and I am glad I don't know enough about windows to help them out. Windows + office also costs a bundle.
'Competition between standards we believe is a very good thing.'
im glad they werent about when tcp/ip was invented... the russians had a different width between rail tracks so that the germans couldnt easily use their rail system in case they would invade. That's the purpose behind having different standards, it's to make sure someone elses stuff cant work with your infrastructure and derail you..
yes there's some kind of link.. I'm not sure what because all the adagios about quality or class or style somehow don't seem to add up to the why behind being an apple saabist..
ive thought about gettin a newer saab but my '97 900 is just so at the very top of where a car should be that I can't really justify a 9-3 or 9-5, and with the very few miles that I drive around in the beast its even more harder to justify! ahwell!
I think saab makes some of the best looking cars around. I know I am in a small minority and with the way GM is going I may be a dying breed... a real pity, they used to make great cars and they still make great engines. Still I cant help but compare my saab with my mac - theyre both a bit elderly machines but both provide me with... i dunno exactly what... i'm probably as weird as they come:)
That still leaves the question how is it possible that apple manages to be so cool that everyone wants what they make? Apple is the only computer company that understands fashion like some (swedish) car manufacturers and fashion companies do, and manage to appeal to a very wide audience.
It doesn't seem all that hard to do but it's impossible for a company like Dell or HP to position itself as a fashion company. Nobody walks around proudly with a Dell laptop or Axim because the brand is about cheap and mass produced.
Also I think apple managed to place the ipod outside of the perceived complexity of computer appliances. It isn't simple because you do need a computer, internet savvy, etc to get the thing loaded with songs. Loading songs onto an axim is not much more complex. If I had my mom do either one she'd be vexed either way.
It's also got a lot to do with leadership and vision, It's almost as if Jobs is a magician that can control how people see things and influences them strongly.
4 years ago I got a powerbook g4 (400mhz) with osx on it and after some initial trouble with the original osx it's stil one of my favourite computers - without being able to pinpoint the why of it, it just rocks. It's like driving around in an old saab, just a very weird piece of marketing trickery, mass delusion or just plain quality...
I'd really let them have a go at python, it's a great language and allows for RAD of pretty much any kind of application, can talk to virtually everything that talks back easily and well.. google uses it for a great amount of projects which at the moment speaks for itself.
No - as long as msie is so dominant it is the chief concern, the firefox user base is far less interesting as a target for criminals looking for financial gain or botnet slaves.
The crazy part is that someone at symantec thinks that the less flaws are found the more secure a product is. Which is like saying since Denver has no levee system in place it is more vulnerable to flooding than New Orleans which does while totally ignoring the fact that Denver is a mile high and New Orleans is not.
IE is far far more vulnerable because for criminals firefox just is not as interesting a target as msie, because firefox users are generally better informed and as a community much smaller. But its just typical of symantec and their ilk to cook up some twisted headline to get more news coverage.
New orleans is more secure from flooding than Denver!
Thats because Denver has no levee system whatsoever and ehhh
I'm not sure how they can relate the number of flaws found to the level of protection afforded. It's usually the flaws that arent found and that are breached that lead to disaster. These virus vendors will cook up anything weird for a bit of a story...
In continental Europe the avg right winger is liberal, pro-business and pro-immigration (need cheap labour). Left wing is socialist, pro-worker, and increasingly anti-immigration (dont want cheap labour). They're not very extremist because they sometimes even form coalition governments together and both generally believe in the need to keep the economy competitive and the people well paid.
The xenophibist extreme right wing is for walling up borders and against (muslem) immigration. The extreme left wing doesn't really have a positive program either.
The typical European right wing liberal would feel somewhat at home in the left wing of the New England Democratic party. There isn't really an equivalent for the Republican party in modern western eur.
Left and right mean different things in the US from Eur. Even between euro nations they can mean different things.
The really successfull open source applications (linux kernel, apache) exist in te same way that unix existed before the litigation started: simply share code and make a robust public infrastructure that everyone can use. IBM and others dedicate well paid people to developing platforms such as linux much like some trucking company might want to throw resources at improving public roads.
The motivation of open software isn't profit, that's not to say it isnt possible to make good money packaging and supporting open source - let alone deploying it (google, amazon). Open source development simply is the name of how development was done at universities and large research institutions since the 50s and 60s.
The idea to profit purely from software and not from service, hardware or application is relatively novel and pretty much started with the introduction of the home computer around which time AT&T started to think they could actually sell UNIX.
Why focus on playing god when just as easily you can play the devil with this? If this is for real then your next script kiddie attack might be in your lungs. Well we're either going to live through the next decades of tech evolution with a total genetic makeover but more likely we're going to die because some weird pathogen escaped from a lab or we open sourced bioengineering. I guess you can already buy the basic tools on ebay...
It's probably because of geography and market, I bet the selection of cool gadgets is excellent in a city like SanFran where the audience is large and distribution easy. Products must prove themselves really well before they hit the walmart shelves in Kansas.
Europe's a lot smaller so its easier for importers to distribute and for competitors to set up shop in areas that are accessible to most consumers. There's no walmart in eur so there's a lot of competition which creates diversity and lowers prices.
It's very out of character, they're winning more european safest car of the year awards than any other manufacturer and it's evident in collission tests and traffic accident stats that they deserve a reputation for safety. And if you were in eur you can also purchase Peugeot or Citroen; very nice cars too.
hey we've had radio for what, about a century? Maybe the Navaho tried to contact other civilizations with smoke signals. Well the guys in africa that used drums to communicate never got the point.
We are investigating quantum computers. Other civilizations may have developed methods of using quantum entanglement to communicate. We might be close to that and civilizations that actually use radio as a means of communication might be few and far between.
It's totally and unequivocally ridiculous to assume there is no life out there because we can only detect large planets. And who is to say there would be no life on a gas giant. Some people make a living painting floating living gasbags. Well maybe there arent any live gasbags but then again maybe there are. It does look like life has at one point existed on Mars and there are more than 300 billion stars in the galaxy. Then there are a couple of billion galaxies in the universe. The odds against Earth being the only life bearing planet in the univese are staggering.
There are these scientists that deny something if it can't be proven to exist. That's the wrong way around, something can exist unless you can actually prove circumstances under which it can't exist. There's no way to prove and convince everyone of anything so the whole point of proving what's real and what's not is totally futile unless you want to control people's reality in a religious sense. Science should stay away from proving what doesn't exists and stick to providing us with engineering challenges.
actually if you go through adsense, adsense for search, page rank, froogle, and all of that combined and how you can best get it to work for you 224 pages sounds like it might be a pocket reference...
What about Perl or PHP or Python; Quite a few C and C++ programmers that moved to using scripting languages. The quote is not about enterprise programming it's about how often its being used in the Linux community and in that community there are HUGE numbers of people who are using scripting languages.
I've learned C in the '80s and didn't consider PHP suitable but the horsepower of modern CPUs makes PHP a totally legitimate solution nowadays; you can do very complex things in it, almost all C functions are included with often the same syntax and on the other hand beginning programmers or web developers can very rapidly learn it.
I find the wording "incredibly heavily used" weird from someone like Gosling, "widespread use" would be perhaps applicable but Java has nothing like the kind of community that PHP has.
Thats a fairly clueless statement. Peer code review for all updates of all important software (kernel, apache, samba) is extremely competent, there wont be any backdoors in those! Also you can meet all of the maintainers openly on many different lists and websites.
With a fedora rpm the actual code will most likely have been either written or reviewed by one of the thousands of professional linux coders be they paid by redhat, ibm or otherwise. Fedora just does the packaging.
I thought if you posed the question as "surprised that a network admin (as the author claims to be) would post this question on slashdot" it would be clear to anyone what you meant.:)
The question at the end "you usually get what you pay for" seems to me to be right on the money: if we all just send lots of money to our favorite open source projects then this magic formula will work for us as well!!
Of course if we all just toast a lot to our favorite open source developers we will get what we drink for!
China isn't socialist in those zones where western corporations are allowed to set up shop; those areas are some of the most competitive capitalist areas on the planet. People are free to leave the countryside and work there. That is not slavery, Chinese people freely do this because the wages they earn are better than in the countryside and as they become more experienced workers they will find better work; China after all grows at an astonishing rate and requires more and more qualified, experienced workers. Even though they have no or very little protection in the labour market (and that protection basically would be a socialist principle) they are free to work.
A lot of western European countries are socialist; In Europe socialism means capitalism balanced with strong labour and social security legislation. Currently the UK, Germany, Spain, Sweden and a couple of other european nations have socialist governments.
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google because their european maps are much,much more detailed,
Thanks crusader, well researched.
Also, as far as I can judge his character, Carmack doesn't launch rockets into space because he thinks it's big business but because he loves space and the idea of exploring it. Equally he doesn't code open source because it makes good business sense for iD but because ethically it is the right thing to do. I think he rejects the monopolization of code (such as in closed source operating systems) for the same reasons that other coders who remember the pre-microsoft era do; critical social functions should be open to society to control and tweak.
Same here, my mother is using debian, firefox, google mail and openoffice allows her MS compatible document exchange for her charity work; the box is behind a firewall and the setup works flawlessly. People who claim linux isn't ready for this kind of setup are clueless, it is windows which cannot function properly in this setup; my mothers friends all operate spyware and virus infested zombie spam mail systems and I am glad I don't know enough about windows to help them out. Windows + office also costs a bundle.
And it provides a new excuse to helpdesk employees 'Sir, your connection has been severed by alligators'
'Competition between standards we believe is a very good thing.'
im glad they werent about when tcp/ip was invented... the russians had a different width between rail tracks so that the germans couldnt easily use their rail system in case they would invade. That's the purpose behind having different standards, it's to make sure someone elses stuff cant work with your infrastructure and derail you..
yes there's some kind of link.. I'm not sure what because all the adagios about quality or class or style somehow don't seem to add up to the why behind being an apple saabist.. ive thought about gettin a newer saab but my '97 900 is just so at the very top of where a car should be that I can't really justify a 9-3 or 9-5, and with the very few miles that I drive around in the beast its even more harder to justify! ahwell!
Wow some patent portfolio!
http://www.saabusa.com/
... a real pity, they used to make great cars and they still make great engines. Still I cant help but compare my saab with my mac - theyre both a bit elderly machines but both provide me with ... i dunno exactly what ... i'm probably as weird as they come :)
I think saab makes some of the best looking cars around. I know I am in a small minority and with the way GM is going I may be a dying breed
That still leaves the question how is it possible that apple manages to be so cool that everyone wants what they make? Apple is the only computer company that understands fashion like some (swedish) car manufacturers and fashion companies do, and manage to appeal to a very wide audience.
It doesn't seem all that hard to do but it's impossible for a company like Dell or HP to position itself as a fashion company. Nobody walks around proudly with a Dell laptop or Axim because the brand is about cheap and mass produced.
Also I think apple managed to place the ipod outside of the perceived complexity of computer appliances. It isn't simple because you do need a computer, internet savvy, etc to get the thing loaded with songs. Loading songs onto an axim is not much more complex. If I had my mom do either one she'd be vexed either way.
It's also got a lot to do with leadership and vision, It's almost as if Jobs is a magician that can control how people see things and influences them strongly.
4 years ago I got a powerbook g4 (400mhz) with osx on it and after some initial trouble with the original osx it's stil one of my favourite computers - without being able to pinpoint the why of it, it just rocks. It's like driving around in an old saab, just a very weird piece of marketing trickery, mass delusion or just plain quality...
I'd really let them have a go at python, it's a great language and allows for RAD of pretty much any kind of application, can talk to virtually everything that talks back easily and well.. google uses it for a great amount of projects which at the moment speaks for itself.
No - as long as msie is so dominant it is the chief concern, the firefox user base is far less interesting as a target for criminals looking for financial gain or botnet slaves. The crazy part is that someone at symantec thinks that the less flaws are found the more secure a product is. Which is like saying since Denver has no levee system in place it is more vulnerable to flooding than New Orleans which does while totally ignoring the fact that Denver is a mile high and New Orleans is not. IE is far far more vulnerable because for criminals firefox just is not as interesting a target as msie, because firefox users are generally better informed and as a community much smaller. But its just typical of symantec and their ilk to cook up some twisted headline to get more news coverage.
New orleans is more secure from flooding than Denver! Thats because Denver has no levee system whatsoever and ehhh I'm not sure how they can relate the number of flaws found to the level of protection afforded. It's usually the flaws that arent found and that are breached that lead to disaster. These virus vendors will cook up anything weird for a bit of a story...
In continental Europe the avg right winger is liberal, pro-business and pro-immigration (need cheap labour). Left wing is socialist, pro-worker, and increasingly anti-immigration (dont want cheap labour). They're not very extremist because they sometimes even form coalition governments together and both generally believe in the need to keep the economy competitive and the people well paid. The xenophibist extreme right wing is for walling up borders and against (muslem) immigration. The extreme left wing doesn't really have a positive program either. The typical European right wing liberal would feel somewhat at home in the left wing of the New England Democratic party. There isn't really an equivalent for the Republican party in modern western eur. Left and right mean different things in the US from Eur. Even between euro nations they can mean different things.
and some security added to the mix would be nice too!
The motivation of open software isn't profit, that's not to say it isnt possible to make good money packaging and supporting open source - let alone deploying it (google, amazon). Open source development simply is the name of how development was done at universities and large research institutions since the 50s and 60s.
The idea to profit purely from software and not from service, hardware or application is relatively novel and pretty much started with the introduction of the home computer around which time AT&T started to think they could actually sell UNIX.
Its because scifi fans are geeks and control the internet so they can organize much more easily than fans of other kind of shows...
Why focus on playing god when just as easily you can play the devil with this? If this is for real then your next script kiddie attack might be in your lungs. Well we're either going to live through the next decades of tech evolution with a total genetic makeover but more likely we're going to die because some weird pathogen escaped from a lab or we open sourced bioengineering. I guess you can already buy the basic tools on ebay...
It's probably because of geography and market, I bet the selection of cool gadgets is excellent in a city like SanFran where the audience is large and distribution easy. Products must prove themselves really well before they hit the walmart shelves in Kansas. Europe's a lot smaller so its easier for importers to distribute and for competitors to set up shop in areas that are accessible to most consumers. There's no walmart in eur so there's a lot of competition which creates diversity and lowers prices.
It's very out of character, they're winning more european safest car of the year awards than any other manufacturer and it's evident in collission tests and traffic accident stats that they deserve a reputation for safety. And if you were in eur you can also purchase Peugeot or Citroen; very nice cars too.
We are investigating quantum computers. Other civilizations may have developed methods of using quantum entanglement to communicate. We might be close to that and civilizations that actually use radio as a means of communication might be few and far between.
It's totally and unequivocally ridiculous to assume there is no life out there because we can only detect large planets. And who is to say there would be no life on a gas giant. Some people make a living painting floating living gasbags. Well maybe there arent any live gasbags but then again maybe there are. It does look like life has at one point existed on Mars and there are more than 300 billion stars in the galaxy. Then there are a couple of billion galaxies in the universe. The odds against Earth being the only life bearing planet in the univese are staggering.
There are these scientists that deny something if it can't be proven to exist. That's the wrong way around, something can exist unless you can actually prove circumstances under which it can't exist. There's no way to prove and convince everyone of anything so the whole point of proving what's real and what's not is totally futile unless you want to control people's reality in a religious sense. Science should stay away from proving what doesn't exists and stick to providing us with engineering challenges.
actually if you go through adsense, adsense for search, page rank, froogle, and all of that combined and how you can best get it to work for you 224 pages sounds like it might be a pocket reference...
What about Perl or PHP or Python; Quite a few C and C++ programmers that moved to using scripting languages. The quote is not about enterprise programming it's about how often its being used in the Linux community and in that community there are HUGE numbers of people who are using scripting languages. I've learned C in the '80s and didn't consider PHP suitable but the horsepower of modern CPUs makes PHP a totally legitimate solution nowadays; you can do very complex things in it, almost all C functions are included with often the same syntax and on the other hand beginning programmers or web developers can very rapidly learn it. I find the wording "incredibly heavily used" weird from someone like Gosling, "widespread use" would be perhaps applicable but Java has nothing like the kind of community that PHP has.
With a fedora rpm the actual code will most likely have been either written or reviewed by one of the thousands of professional linux coders be they paid by redhat, ibm or otherwise. Fedora just does the packaging.
Live & learn....
The question at the end "you usually get what you pay for" seems to me to be right on the money: if we all just send lots of money to our favorite open source projects then this magic formula will work for us as well!!
Of course if we all just toast a lot to our favorite open source developers we will get what we drink for!
A lot of western European countries are socialist; In Europe socialism means capitalism balanced with strong labour and social security legislation. Currently the UK, Germany, Spain, Sweden and a couple of other european nations have socialist governments.