Since I was going to be a lot of gaming on here this machine, in addition to work, and the gaming would be in a Windows 98 environment
uh...
perhaps if you weren't so quick in trying to point out perceived shortcomings of the author and, instead, read the article, you'll get answers to your snarky questions.
and yes, there's a lot of people who (GOOD GOD!) don't use linux.
if i recall correctly (which i do) a whole microindustry of incredibly gifted assembler programmers grew out of the tendancy of groups to release small "demos" with their cracks or installers. not to mention the art and music scenes. i think many "fanboys" who were into the scene "back in the day" (if you'll permit me the bland reference) are making a positive contribution to the current state of technology.
fishfuicekr.
this is, of course, in stead of posting pithy little comments on slashdot.
i am just happy to hear that the television show with the BEST COMIC TIMING EVER is returning to air. just in time too -- the simpsons is going into the pooper with whatever godawful talent they've recruited to write over the last season. ("hey -- then homer should say 'WOO-HOO' again -- THAT'LL BE A LAUGH RIOT!")
fisfhucerk.
a must-see -- if you've witnessed the few "einstein" scenes, you know what i'm talking about.
maybe i'm just uninformed, but i've recently checked out freenet and been very impressed by the potential... however, what happens when *you* want to publish your webpage on freenet? do we assume a large enough user base to store it? if we have to wait five minutes to retrieve it will we look? aren't there going to be massive problems with the publishing/distribution issues as soon as freenet gets larger?
basically, what i'm saying: if freenet gets huge, will the "little guy" still be able to even publish a website on it? i mean, right now it seems difficult enough to get connections to the point where your webpage will be constantly accessible -- will this be an HTML Napster where all we can find is britney spears and her ilk?
yes yes yes. mr. bbs list man, are you listening? comments would be so badass.
found my friend's bbs that i started calling in 91/2 (that was up until late 1999 -- maybe even a bit of 2000..). the starting date was a bit off, but it was great to see it up there.
good job of illustrating the general ignorance/arrogance of people regarding this subject. you can't seriously believe that puff daddy and britney spears (who both have really fucking good production values, though perhaps uninteresting music) are simply pushing buttons to come up with tracks.
this doesn't strike me as defending napster. it makes, finally, as semi-decent rationale for revisiting issues of copyright and perhaps reforming them. napster's only function in this sort of narrative is to show that people desire free exchange of intellectual property.
or maybe they're just too fucking cheap to buy a cd.
seems to be the illusion you're operating under. You're bitter that people get PAID for their work? Music not serious enough work for you? Meanwhile, truth being : making music is hard work -- I don't give a damn how many half-assed electro tracks you've knocked off using loops on your "borrowed" software; musicians spend good amounts of time and money actually AUTHORING music, not just rearranging a few samples. simply, musicians often do not get paid fairly for the amount of work they do, the fruits of which you enjoy.
I'm glad you still pay for live music, but I'm guessing if you could figure out how NOT TO, you wouldn't.
fishfucekr.
just be frank, cop to theft -- don't hide it behind the same fucking MR.INTEGRITY scheme that 95% of slashdot users promote.
precisely -- just because you CAN take cookies from the cookie jar doesn't mean it's a good thing. Napster has not shown itself to be able to renumerate artists properly -- giving artists even LESS than the recording industry. As for giving exposure, that's bullshit -- the primary means of finding music on napster is title/artist SEARCH, meaning that you have to know what you're looking for already -- where do you get this knowledge? well, from the looks of it, top 40 radio and MTV. i don't know where they came up with the argument that they existed to promote obscure bands, etc -- it's not a PROMOTING service, it's a LOCATING service.
there's no Pro-Napster speakers that will talk about Napster because they all either: A) believe that INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE AND ALL IP SHOULD BE FREE, or B) are teenagers getting the latest SNOOP DOGG or whoever the hell is flavor or the week.
I'd advise you to look for Freenet speakers -- it's a much less "HIP" movement, perhaps, but a noble cause.
while it's nice to see some kids from what, er, is the alma mater, succeed, it's somewhat disappointing that, er their "fAME" comes primarily through hype -- the show got write-ups TWO MONTHS before it opened, and not because it was a inherently interesting project, but because it slammed dot-coms at the time when most mainstream media realized what uh, most slashdot readers (yes, obligatory slashdot cocksucking) have realized for quite some time. (IE: snappy one liner art piece + lazy reporters = OH SHIT IT'S AN ART MOVEMENT.)
not really.
fsifhcuerk.
sour grapes? an abundance.
what are the criteria for being a "possible alien"? if you're not carrying your wallet and you appear of hispanic descent are you then a POSSIBLE ALIEN? do you think they turned in whitey mcwhite who didn't have their IDs (and could therefore be a possible alien from FCUKING CANADA? CANADA?) i'm guessing not.
people tend to get pretty pissed off when you decide to create procedural guidelines that emerge not from someone's actions, but rather their appearance.
fisfhcuerk.
i'd just like to point out you have a shitty grasp of logic.
let's not forget other things: audio software, most consumer-level graphics software (sorry, fuckers, the gimp sucks -- whine as much as you want -- say: "you just don't know how to use it" -- it still sucks and it's not photoshop.) fuck games -- i just want to run a reasonable sequencer and have a computer that supports my sound card without fucking having to write drivers myself (which, clearly, i cannot do.). this is why linux/etc is not a more popular OS -- there's only so much you can do with it quickly and easily.
remember that freeness is basically a non-issue for many many many people -- i know folks who wouldn't even speed or run a stop sign, but are more than willing to use copies of commerical software. essentially, windows and its software *are* free for most users. you guys really need to revise your stance to : "shut down the fucking pirates, etc, use linux!" because let's face it: for most poeple, the only merit of linux is that it is (legally) free -- but fuck, if all this other software can also be had for nought, AND its easier for the end user to understand (and is a game, audio or graphical utility that just will never show up on linux)-- well, fuck it.
ten years ago people were doing a hell of a lot more than "text editing, programming, and a few simple games." I think I at the time I was playing TW2002 on a few BBSes, Ultima VI locally, and talking to folks on IRC, not to mention MUDs, etc, all of which set the stage for your WONDERFUL UNTERNET. mp3 and DVD have, yes, effectively, encouraged a bunch of what i swear i will no longer be referring to the "non-elite" as soon as the X-Box or whatever the next flavor of the week is permits internet access and we have the next wave of idiot users to piss away the collective internet IQ.
however, it's good to see your (apparent) ignorance has not hindered what is generally a reasonable conclusion: more audio/video/pc "convergence" (i cringe at using such an internet buzzword -- i am not a consultant.) Will it get to the gee-whiz jetson level you propose? i think only after we have an interface revolution. you have a PC at home, but do you watch movies on it? no, because MONITOR MOVIE == SUCK (because of their nice fat beige border that reminds you that you're suppose to be working.) instead, you have an OUTPUT to your tv, wireless keyboard, and all manner of geeky jerry-rig setup that "regular folk" would not bother with. will we see more of this sort of thing? sure, as soon as we change the interface -- dramatically. do i have any constructive thoughts about how to do this? no. i'm just here to bitch people out.
this is a nice argument, but it rests on our acceptance of your definition of art:
Art is about conveying beauty and/or a message to an audience (sometimes just the artist himself).
right. well, i think art is mashed potatoes, motherfucker.
art and programming don't have to be mutually exclusive, because the former is undefinable. Not to mention that you use the subjective terms "beauty" and "message" to define it. (what the hell is beautiful?) Basically, you've stated : Art is about conveying [indeterminable things] and/or [inspecific communications] to an audience (sometimes just the artist myself). This does not strike me as enough evidence to definitively exclude programming as art. (although the front page blurb seems to equate an "elegant solution/production/code/etc." with "art" -- something i'm not prepared to do either.)
saying programming is NOT art is just as ridiculous as saying programming IS art. it can't be proved or disproved in a general case (or probably even a specific one), and we can argue about it for fucking forever. better to spend that time making something that makes you happy. (whether you choose to call it programming, or art, or whatever).
fsfhihsihcuerk.
(beyond that, if you're an artist, you probably think so already, and don't need a goddamn slashdot thread to convince you.)
Slashdot Mirror
Since I was going to be a lot of gaming on here this machine, in addition to work, and the gaming would be in a Windows 98 environment
uh...
perhaps if you weren't so quick in trying to point out perceived shortcomings of the author and, instead, read the article, you'll get answers to your snarky questions.
and yes, there's a lot of people who (GOOD GOD!) don't use linux.
fishxxx.
toss them together and have them all speak out of turn.
that's slashdot's ideology.
actually there is some text: dumbass.
get back to ssw.
FSUIJhncl>REjk,.msgdv.
Seriously Seanbaby.com is what the late, lamented Suck really wanted to be but couldn't quite pull off.
what-fucking-ever.
foisjhfuclker.
that's really all i can say.
if i recall correctly (which i do) a whole microindustry of incredibly gifted assembler programmers grew out of the tendancy of groups to release small "demos" with their cracks or installers. not to mention the art and music scenes. i think many "fanboys" who were into the scene "back in the day" (if you'll permit me the bland reference) are making a positive contribution to the current state of technology.
fishfuicekr.
this is, of course, in stead of posting pithy little comments on slashdot.
guilty as charged.
no.
fisfhcuerk.
i am just happy to hear that the television show with the BEST COMIC TIMING EVER is returning to air. just in time too -- the simpsons is going into the pooper with whatever godawful talent they've recruited to write over the last season. ("hey -- then homer should say 'WOO-HOO' again -- THAT'LL BE A LAUGH RIOT!")
fisfhucerk.
a must-see -- if you've witnessed the few "einstein" scenes, you know what i'm talking about.
maybe i'm just uninformed, but i've recently checked out freenet and been very impressed by the potential ... however, what happens when *you* want to publish your webpage on freenet? do we assume a large enough user base to store it? if we have to wait five minutes to retrieve it will we look? aren't there going to be massive problems with the publishing/distribution issues as soon as freenet gets larger?
... someone prove me wrong.
basically, what i'm saying: if freenet gets huge, will the "little guy" still be able to even publish a website on it? i mean, right now it seems difficult enough to get connections to the point where your webpage will be constantly accessible -- will this be an HTML Napster where all we can find is britney spears and her ilk?
fsihfucekr,.
just curious
yes yes yes. mr. bbs list man, are you listening? comments would be so badass.
found my friend's bbs that i started calling in 91/2 (that was up until late 1999 -- maybe even a bit of 2000..). the starting date was a bit off, but it was great to see it up there.
er. geekfest. yeah.
fishfucerk.
yep.
good job of illustrating the general ignorance/arrogance of people regarding this subject. you can't seriously believe that puff daddy and britney spears (who both have really fucking good production values, though perhaps uninteresting music) are simply pushing buttons to come up with tracks.
fisfhcuerk.
at least, i hope not.
this doesn't strike me as defending napster. it makes, finally, as semi-decent rationale for revisiting issues of copyright and perhaps reforming them. napster's only function in this sort of narrative is to show that people desire free exchange of intellectual property.
or maybe they're just too fucking cheap to buy a cd.
fisfhceurkl.
ha -- I love it when dumbfuck knowitall americans get their comeuppance from folks who actually live where the former is trying to spout off about.
fisfhcuerkl
nice one.
seems to be the illusion you're operating under. You're bitter that people get PAID for their work? Music not serious enough work for you? Meanwhile, truth being : making music is hard work -- I don't give a damn how many half-assed electro tracks you've knocked off using loops on your "borrowed" software; musicians spend good amounts of time and money actually AUTHORING music, not just rearranging a few samples. simply, musicians often do not get paid fairly for the amount of work they do, the fruits of which you enjoy.
I'm glad you still pay for live music, but I'm guessing if you could figure out how NOT TO, you wouldn't.
fishfucekr.
just be frank, cop to theft -- don't hide it behind the same fucking MR.INTEGRITY scheme that 95% of slashdot users promote.
precisely -- just because you CAN take cookies from the cookie jar doesn't mean it's a good thing. Napster has not shown itself to be able to renumerate artists properly -- giving artists even LESS than the recording industry. As for giving exposure, that's bullshit -- the primary means of finding music on napster is title/artist SEARCH, meaning that you have to know what you're looking for already -- where do you get this knowledge? well, from the looks of it, top 40 radio and MTV. i don't know where they came up with the argument that they existed to promote obscure bands, etc -- it's not a PROMOTING service, it's a LOCATING service.
there's no Pro-Napster speakers that will talk about Napster because they all either: A) believe that INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE AND ALL IP SHOULD BE FREE, or B) are teenagers getting the latest SNOOP DOGG or whoever the hell is flavor or the week.
I'd advise you to look for Freenet speakers -- it's a much less "HIP" movement, perhaps, but a noble cause.
fisfhcuwerk.
while it's nice to see some kids from what, er, is the alma mater, succeed, it's somewhat disappointing that, er their "fAME" comes primarily through hype -- the show got write-ups TWO MONTHS before it opened, and not because it was a inherently interesting project, but because it slammed dot-coms at the time when most mainstream media realized what uh, most slashdot readers (yes, obligatory slashdot cocksucking) have realized for quite some time. (IE: snappy one liner art piece + lazy reporters = OH SHIT IT'S AN ART MOVEMENT.) not really. fsifhcuerk. sour grapes? an abundance.
what are the criteria for being a "possible alien"? if you're not carrying your wallet and you appear of hispanic descent are you then a POSSIBLE ALIEN? do you think they turned in whitey mcwhite who didn't have their IDs (and could therefore be a possible alien from FCUKING CANADA? CANADA?) i'm guessing not.
people tend to get pretty pissed off when you decide to create procedural guidelines that emerge not from someone's actions, but rather their appearance.
fisfhcuerk.
i'd just like to point out you have a shitty grasp of logic.
let's not forget other things: audio software, most consumer-level graphics software (sorry, fuckers, the gimp sucks -- whine as much as you want -- say: "you just don't know how to use it" -- it still sucks and it's not photoshop.) fuck games -- i just want to run a reasonable sequencer and have a computer that supports my sound card without fucking having to write drivers myself (which, clearly, i cannot do.). this is why linux/etc is not a more popular OS -- there's only so much you can do with it quickly and easily.
remember that freeness is basically a non-issue for many many many people -- i know folks who wouldn't even speed or run a stop sign, but are more than willing to use copies of commerical software. essentially, windows and its software *are* free for most users. you guys really need to revise your stance to : "shut down the fucking pirates, etc, use linux!" because let's face it: for most poeple, the only merit of linux is that it is (legally) free -- but fuck, if all this other software can also be had for nought, AND its easier for the end user to understand (and is a game, audio or graphical utility that just will never show up on linux)-- well, fuck it.
fisfhcuerk.
whiny responses follow:
thank you slashdot, for addressing what may be my worst alien based worry.
fsjfucerk.
WOULD ALIENS HAVE RIGHTS? FUCKING IDIOTIC.
ten years ago people were doing a hell of a lot more than "text editing, programming, and a few simple games." I think I at the time I was playing TW2002 on a few BBSes, Ultima VI locally, and talking to folks on IRC, not to mention MUDs, etc, all of which set the stage for your WONDERFUL UNTERNET. mp3 and DVD have, yes, effectively, encouraged a bunch of what i swear i will no longer be referring to the "non-elite" as soon as the X-Box or whatever the next flavor of the week is permits internet access and we have the next wave of idiot users to piss away the collective internet IQ.
however, it's good to see your (apparent) ignorance has not hindered what is generally a reasonable conclusion: more audio/video/pc "convergence" (i cringe at using such an internet buzzword -- i am not a consultant.) Will it get to the gee-whiz jetson level you propose? i think only after we have an interface revolution. you have a PC at home, but do you watch movies on it? no, because MONITOR MOVIE == SUCK (because of their nice fat beige border that reminds you that you're suppose to be working.) instead, you have an OUTPUT to your tv, wireless keyboard, and all manner of geeky jerry-rig setup that "regular folk" would not bother with. will we see more of this sort of thing? sure, as soon as we change the interface -- dramatically. do i have any constructive thoughts about how to do this? no. i'm just here to bitch people out.
fisfhcuekcer.
"dude, 10 years ago, was like.. AGES!"
i didn't purchase the travel license.
fsifhcuierk.
what?
So is the Mona Lisa art or not? If you can't define it, it becomes really difficult to talk about!
determining whether the mona lisa is "art" does not stop me from talking about its composition, author's process, or place in history.
fisfhcuerk.
er. so clearly, you've never talked to anyone about the mona lisa, computer-boy.
wow - doesn't posting anonymously sorta detract from your faith in jesus?
fisfhcuerk.
see you in hell, pussy-boy.
this is a nice argument, but it rests on our acceptance of your definition of art:
Art is about conveying beauty and/or a message to an audience (sometimes just the artist himself).
right. well, i think art is mashed potatoes, motherfucker.
art and programming don't have to be mutually exclusive, because the former is undefinable. Not to mention that you use the subjective terms "beauty" and "message" to define it. (what the hell is beautiful?) Basically, you've stated : Art is about conveying [indeterminable things] and/or [inspecific communications] to an audience (sometimes just the artist myself). This does not strike me as enough evidence to definitively exclude programming as art. (although the front page blurb seems to equate an "elegant solution/production/code/etc." with "art" -- something i'm not prepared to do either.)
saying programming is NOT art is just as ridiculous as saying programming IS art. it can't be proved or disproved in a general case (or probably even a specific one), and we can argue about it for fucking forever. better to spend that time making something that makes you happy. (whether you choose to call it programming, or art, or whatever).
fsfhihsihcuerk.
(beyond that, if you're an artist, you probably think so already, and don't need a goddamn slashdot thread to convince you.)
yeah. uh. fnord and stuff. fisfhcuerk.