The exception proves the rule, and so forth. I can run Half-life, notepad, and minesweeper under wine. I cannot run IE 5.0, Word (recent versions), and most of the widely-viewed as important apps.
Since I can run a mere fraction of a FRACTION of windoze apps under wine, does that mean I can run all apps under wine? Does that mean I'll be able to run any future app under wine?
It doesn't matter that wine and Mono are different. What matters is the way M$ does things. They do things to BREAK compatibility with alien systems, not aid compatibility. You can run app x in your JIT. Can you run all apps under it? Any reason to believe that M$ wont break things in the future (samba! kerberos! authentication protocols in vapor.NET)?
It might be a nice development environ in the future for LINUX. It is a starry-eyed fantasy to believe that it will have anything to offer for real.NET compatibility - and.NET isn't even born yet, it's still a fetus under scrutiny by consumer groups.
Certain aspects of.NET might be nice to borrow. But it is a bad model overall because its INTENT is not to give a gift to developers, it is to lock people into authenticating to M$ servers, store personal information on M$ servers, to collect internet transaction M$-taxes, etc.
Anything else is an accident and incidental. Borrow from it but totally separate it from anything to do with M$ and.NET. It wont work, M$ has no interest in having Mono work, most people will by default use M$ solutions that will be incompatible with Mono, etc, etc. Keep ALL talk of Mono strictly within the bounds of linux/unix where it belongs. It will be stillborn in the M$.NET abomination of services and M$ taxes and spying.
No doubt that IF it works, it will provide a nice development environ for coders. What will also happen is there will be hidden patents that will affect the whole thing (Mono) and M$ will bring them out swinging at a future point.
Even if THAT doesn't happen, there will be NO real compatibilitiy with.NET. The important, really "good" stuff will require windoze-based platforms. WindozeCE, WindozeXP, Windoze(Whatever). Windoze will remain, in imbedded form and on whatever computer object people use..NET operabilty will REQUIRE that one own and use a system containing an OS from M$. Anything else will have to licen$e from M$ to get to work properly.
.NET is not a forgone conclusion. It is attracting negative attention from consumer groups and soon the states. It is a problem, not a solution (in its M$-centric form where all information and storage and tabulation leads to MS). If the law and intelligence does what it is supposed to do, there will be no all-pervasive.NET. Ever.
I hardly think my personal computer will not be around in 5 years. I also doubt linux will be gone. I DEFINITELY doubt that it "wont matter" what OS is run on your system. M$ has made it repeatedly clear that it DOES matter - to them. Whether it is embedded in a cell-phone, a tv-cable tuner, a microwave, it should run M$ windoze. Those systems will require windoze-friendly binaries.
Over my dead body.
Giving up, tossing up the hands, and simply saying "Let M$ own the internet and the universe" as Miguel is objectively doing (regardless of his INTENT) is the wrong way to go. If he wants to cheer this mess on, he should drop ALL reference to M$ and.NET and stick ONLY to what it MIGHT offer linux developers in 4 years. It wont offer DIDDLE with regards to.NET and anything having to do with windoze.
Oh...and they're SO well published aren't they? Yeah, M$ is going to give the whole hog to ECMA. There wont be any hidden strings anywhere that ONLY works (and is only useful) on windoze.
A nice generic development environment, maybe. A means to run M$ binaries on linux? Never ever ever. NEVER.
Know what else is funny? I'm laughing right now. It's the FACT that both Ballmer and Gates ARE laughing about this whole thing RIGHT NOW. They are in an office laughing and getting so exciting that they are actually rubbing themselves.
This whole thing is going EXACTLY the way Gates/M$ wants it to. There is no "danger" here from Mono/Miguel. They are a joke, accidently and delusionally serving the best interests of M$. You HAVE to love this. HALLOWEEN.
A prediction that will actually come true: Mono will fail at making.NET binaries EVER run on linux/unix. NEVER happen. EVER. M$ will NOT publish all the libs/apis, they haven't released the full mess to the ECMA and they wont. They need to hold back so they can do 2 things: 1) Collect licensing fees for access to SOME of the unpublished stuff, and 2) Hold some back for their own private use to ensure that M$ "solutions" work best and everyone else's is, well, broken somehow.
THAT is a prediction with meat on it and it will come true.
Point: M$ isn't evil because they have windoze, M$ is evil because of the BEHAVIOR of M$, the unethical, illegal behavior. It doesn't matter if you find windoze useful or good enough for certain things. In an of itself that is fine, but what is NOT OK and NEVER will be is the illegal, unethical behavior of M$ and Gates. It is the behavior and intent (take over the world, for all intents and purposes - control the means and manner of information distribution) that is evil.
Separate the OS from the overall beast. The beast is STILL evil and to be punished.
Miguel, incidently, is petting and feeding the beast with this whole fantasy of Mono thing. He is helping M$ create a bigger monopoly by taking over the internet and all transactions thereon, and he is helping M$ try to eliminate the PERFECTLY good and still developing Java.
Miguel is doing the community a favor by helping kill gnome with nonsense. He is helping us because without gnome, the defacto standard desktop will be KDE. Now this is independent of whether or not you LIKE KDE or GNOME, it is an objective fact that by being simple-minded with his childish M$-IS-playing-fair-with-C#-and-.NET Miguel hurts Gnome. Hurting Gnome helps KDE, which means that all new users are going to get the same GUI unless they specifically change it or deselect it. This will help linux overall. No more business or user "confusion".
If the KDE folks got looney like Miguel and decided to waste time chasing M$, then Gnome would benefit and KDE would crap out. Same ultimate objective end - the standard would be Gnome and anything else would require specific actions by the user.
Bless you Miguel, your lunacy is helping linux in a way you didn't intend (understandable given your apparent mental instability).
Nah Not back to the drawing board, just back to Java where what Miguel wants is actuallly possible (the fantasy part, that is, of little binaries playing equally well on all computer playgrounds). The.NET binary crap running on linux is sheer, unadulterated, feces. I'm suprized he (Miguel) can stand the smell of all that feces gushing out his bunghole/cakehole. Frickin' delusional twit.
ECMA spec be damned. It is incomplete and will remain so. The key things that WONT be in it, that is a CERTAINTY, will be M$-only. You want to get their benefit and run your code PROPERLY on computers? Ah, well you'll need the M$-C# compiler and the M$-VM. Anything else will fall short and just not cut it. Again, see kerberos, samba, etc, etc, for what to REALLY expect. M$ has not magically changed one iota. Not. One. Bit.
They will NEVER fully release to the ECMA the full spec. They will hold key parts back for their own use ONLY and with others, well, you can pay to license it if you want. Cost you a pretty penny but there you have it.
First thing you do is go interview for a job at M$. That is the ONLY way you will be able to write.NET-compatible, working C# code. The mono stuff is doomed to be a linux-only "broken" implementation of M$-C# and.NET.
IF you want to code the same way but for linux and other OSes, then you should read up on Java. THAT'S the better path to interoperability between platforms and oses. Fact. Sorry, but a FACT.
Sorry, even though Miguel does a good job of going into an indepth "answer", Alan Cox takes all the air out of the sail.
Java is NOT broken or lacking because it is inferior. If it is lacking anything, it is because no one has gone the one step further and fixed it. Do THAT instead of rebuilding from M$-poopie.
Finally, the simple statement by Alan that as soon as M$ decides they're a pain in the ass, poof, there goes the VM into patented special-feature land (see kerberos for a similar f*ckjob) and no.NET viralware will run via mono. Add this to the FACT that the predominant C# compiler in use will be the M$ version. De facto factamundo. The M$ version will be "special" while the free variants will be broken. Just like the PROPER implementation of java (non-M$) was "broken" with respect to the illegal perversions that M$ inflicted on it (and thus we have C#).
M$ is not changing its tune on whit. This is NOT a gift to the developer community. It is NOTHING but a means of continuing lockin (and conversely, lockout) and moola into Gates pocket. Nothing more, nothing less. It may be a nice way to build stuff at some future time for linux but it is NOT a means of being able to run some.NET windoze binary on linux (never happen except accidentally because the code was simple enough not to include "broken" M$-only freakishness). You will find that most of the important stuff will not run. Developers will STILL not make linux-friendly stuff because the bulk of the market is in M$-doze-land and they can run the broken/perverted.NET M$_VM-only stuff.
Stone cold fact. Sing the praises of mono for having the POTENTIAL of providing a nice development environment for linux coders (though unnecessary if they'd instead focus on the correct path of Java) but don't delude yourselves that this will mean windoze binaries working on linux.
No they would not have developed a proper stack. Gates and M$ didn't even recognize the "internet" as important until recently. That means that if they hadn't done what they ALWAYS do and taken someone else's work (creating NOTHING themselves) they would be SOL. They CAN'T create anything. The entire M$ enterprise is about buying/stealing/pirating OTHER people's work. If they hadn't taken the TCPIP stack from BSD, they would either have had to take it from someone else or do without.
There is NO innovation/creation at M$, only taking, stealing, buying the innovations and creations of others.
M$ wouldn't even exist at all if not for taking the creations/ideas of others as the sole source of their product.
And yet, even with Cthulhu sleeping in Rl'yeh, his minions and he STILL manage to generate mischief...else, what were all the stories about? Nothing happening because the old boy is safely sleeping?
It is a tax writeoff that also give the illusion that he's some kind of "good guy".
He is not a good guy, he is a grteedy, megalomaniacal bastard. He ONLY gives to charity because George Sorros (sp?) shamed him into it. Sorros has a good deal less wealth than Gates but give BIG TIME to charities AND the gifts do not have tie-ins to his self-interest and self-aggrandizement. He doesn't give away computers running his OS on it and his office software - so that he can create more users for his shit.
Donating Windoze computers is NOT charitable when it comes from the Capo de Monopolista. It is self-serving pap. EVERYTHING he does is intended to feed M$ coffers. Period. He. Is. A. Nasty. Monster.
I knew of Pluto (freaky), but I was referring to another design which did not spew radioactive debris/exhaust. I don't recall the project name but a large jet was built on which one engine (I believe it was one) was a nuclear engine.
As I recall, the main arguments against it were weight. The shielding necessary made the engine a bit too heavy for widespread use, plus there may have been concern that if the plane crashed, you might spread nuclear core around a bit.
The jet exhaust itself really wasn't radioactive, just heated by the reaction mass rather than combusted.
There is a lot more options for nuclear propulsion than the Orion idea. A variation of the atomic jet engine is one example (there was an atomic-powered "jet" in which a reactor core heated fuel to high temps for propulsion).
Pump your favorite fuel through a nuke core and whoooosh! High power rocket. There is also the nuclear power for systems operations. Nuke engines doesn't mean blowing up nukes behind you against a pusher plate (Orion). That was merely one extreme design that COULD get a package to Alpha Centauri in a lifetime, but it isn't going to happen.
No. To put is simply and purely,.NET is a means for M$ to expand it coffers, make money off everything you do on the network by either RENTING you what you should by rights and logic OWN, collecting and selling user information, and collecting fees/taxes on all internet purchases made via.NET.
.NET is a means to expand the monopoly and power of M$. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT a gift, it is not planned, nor accidently, a blessing for the masses. It is a scheme to make more money in ways you don't even understand yet. It is a way to increase the influence of M$ even further than it is. It is an attempt to hijack the internet and make it the domain of the One True M$.
Some people think it is better than food - a gift from the gods for the betterment of Mankind (NOT!)
Riiiiight. Like they way they properly implemented kerberos so that it works properly one way: with windoze servers and windoze clients. The rest have a "broken" (read, correct and following the REAL standard implementation).
Same with.NET. M$ servers authenticating and serving and collecting user data, collecting transaction fees for every single purchase made over the net. Everyone not M$ have a "broken" implementation and only partially working...but well enough so M$ can still collect your personal data, collect fees for transactions, etc.
Mono allows Free Software folks to leverage millions of installed clients. Sure, Microsoft will try and break compatibility, but if they try too hard they are likely to upset their customers.
What planet are you writing in from? As if M$ doesn't CONSTANTLY break SMB! As if it means diddle that they upset anyone. They break SMB to make their ever-moving target. M$ users are cool because as they break it for everyone else, the supply a "fix" for doze users. Isn't that magical how that works?
Why in the WORLD would you think that Gates has suddenly found Buddha and decided to play nice with everyone? Why would you think that in the case of.NET there would be ANY difference between ALL of M$'s past behaviors and now? There is no change. M$ is the same old M$. They don't even admit to wrongdoing when they are inarguably GUILTY of anti-trust violations. You don't get to do that, the COURTS say you are guilty and you ARE, period. But here we have Gates and Co accepting no such thing, and while the whole court case plays out, they CONTINUE their illegal, same-old M$ crap.
You DO realise that.NET is now also under the guns and will likely have the FTC glowering over it, if not the states.
If you climb in bed with the.NET whore, you give up all your user's privacy, you help your users pay the M$ tax that ALL.NET transactions will have tied to them..NET is a big privacy violation - and that's just the beginning.
Gates doesn't do ANYTHING that doesn't feed the monopoly. He sure as hell isn't interested in upsetting linux customers. He can shit in your cocoa and not bat an eye and all you can do is cry.
Pipe-frickin'-dream. You are NEVER going to provide 100% compatibility with.NET. M$ will NOT permit it. They will not release all the classes, APIs, whatever (they NEVER do with ANYTHING) and anything that they will release will come with a pricetag that you will not be able to pay.
Fortunately, Sun is a big player on the Gnome development board (or whatever it's called). They will NOT support.NET crap. They will NOT try to crawl in bed with a proven illegal, unethical crook like Gates and Co. You lose. You lose users and you lose on the compatibility front and you lose Gnome because it WILL fork and go the right way. You will be all alone in your deluded "We love M$ and all they do world".
He is a wannabe M$ employee. He says so himself. The only reason he isn't a Gates lackey is because of a visa problem.
MS is a business - it is not inherently evil nor has Bill Gates been conclusively identified as Cthulu-Jr
You are correct. Gates is NOT Cthulhu-Jr, he is Cthulhu. The big mamba, the big cheese, THE Cthulhu. He IS inherently evil. He wants to control everything because he has a real, true, megalomania problem. Really. He is a megalomaniac and control freak perv.
Pa-leeze. For him it is ONLY a tax write-off. There is no humanity involved in his endeavors... Kinda like his "generous" offer to give a bunch of schools computers (running his windows, of course, as one possible "remedy" for M$'s illegal monopoly practices.
He's a big poo-head, through and through, and poo has no humanity, just a bad smell.
All that is well and good except...M$ doesn't play well with others and Gates has a real megalomania problem. He isn't satisfied with making more money than the gods, he must CONTROL everything.
There would be no problems is M$ would simply stick to making their OS good enough for Joe Idiot but they insist on illegally killing off any and all rivals, even if they are not HUGE and seriously dangerous rivals.
All would be well if the final judgement against them prevents Gates and Co from using their monopoly to continue to lockin or tie into other areas where they seek monopoly. If the judgement required certain APIs and protocols to be released for ALL, PERIOD, then all would be well. M$ could STILL dominate the flat desktop market, with most people still using it, but there would be nothing to prevent me, you, Joe-or-Jane Shmo from using linux (or other) if they wished and STILL be able to properly interact with their coworkers and family.
Most people, out of inertia, would not jump ship but those that did would still find themselves on the same ocean and still able to communicate with other ships.
Fine. I mentioned porn and mp3s in particular because porn and music sharing are some of the major sources for big file transfers. Because porn is one of THE biggest industries on the net and music sharing is a major problem for bandwidth too in recent history. How many places started banning napster/gnutella, etc, before any real legal issues came up because of bandwidth issues (and screwing around at work issues)? Plenty started choking those pipes off because they were eating up LOTS of bandwidth.
Normal old web browsing isn't a problem at all. Streaming video, streaming audio, mpegs, *.mov, *.avi, mp3s...they are all a big problem for bandwidth.
You are doing something I am interested in setting up. I have a couple domains of use to me that I want to use for email. How do you go about it? I already have the registered domains, I am just not sure of the next step(s) so I can setup my personal email address as you did - my permanent, neverchanging email with a name I gave it.
It isn't about trying to prevent porn, etc, it's about having a limited resource that MUST be shared among all paying customers. Porn, warez, music all just disproportionately eat up bandwidth in on shot. Big mpegs, avis, or mov files, huge-ass mp3s, large binaries. It is their size, the the type, that is the problem.
A few people with porn addiction can screw up access for everyone else because they're clogging the pipe with their nonsense. It is not porn, et al, in itself that's the problem, it is individuals downloading or uploading huge-ass files up the wazoo that is a problem. Occasional spikes in bandwidth are OK, but long-term, semi-continuous high-bandwidth use is a problem.
If I pay for broadband, I deserve to get it and not get it throttled/choked by some sweaty-pasty porn junkie who can't exercise a little self-control. That kid SHOULD get his bandwidth capped to allow everyone else their fair share. Simple as that...or the kid should pay proportionately for his hogging of bandwidth at the expense of everyone else.
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The exception proves the rule, and so forth. I can run Half-life, notepad, and minesweeper under wine. I cannot run IE 5.0, Word (recent versions), and most of the widely-viewed as important apps.
Since I can run a mere fraction of a FRACTION of windoze apps under wine, does that mean I can run all apps under wine? Does that mean I'll be able to run any future app under wine?
It doesn't matter that wine and Mono are different. What matters is the way M$ does things. They do things to BREAK compatibility with alien systems, not aid compatibility. You can run app x in your JIT. Can you run all apps under it? Any reason to believe that M$ wont break things in the future (samba! kerberos! authentication protocols in vapor.NET)?
It might be a nice development environ in the future for LINUX. It is a starry-eyed fantasy to believe that it will have anything to offer for real .NET compatibility - and .NET isn't even born yet, it's still a fetus under scrutiny by consumer groups.
Certain aspects of .NET might be nice to borrow. But it is a bad model overall because its INTENT is not to give a gift to developers, it is to lock people into authenticating to M$ servers, store personal information on M$ servers, to collect internet transaction M$-taxes, etc.
Anything else is an accident and incidental. Borrow from it but totally separate it from anything to do with M$ and .NET. It wont work, M$ has no interest in having Mono work, most people will by default use M$ solutions that will be incompatible with Mono, etc, etc. Keep ALL talk of Mono strictly within the bounds of linux/unix where it belongs. It will be stillborn in the M$ .NET abomination of services and M$ taxes and spying.
No doubt that IF it works, it will provide a nice development environ for coders. What will also happen is there will be hidden patents that will affect the whole thing (Mono) and M$ will bring them out swinging at a future point.
Even if THAT doesn't happen, there will be NO real compatibilitiy with .NET. The important, really "good" stuff will require windoze-based platforms. WindozeCE, WindozeXP, Windoze(Whatever). Windoze will remain, in imbedded form and on whatever computer object people use. .NET operabilty will REQUIRE that one own and use a system containing an OS from M$. Anything else will have to licen$e from M$ to get to work properly.
.NET is not a forgone conclusion. It is attracting negative attention from consumer groups and soon the states. It is a problem, not a solution (in its M$-centric form where all information and storage and tabulation leads to MS). If the law and intelligence does what it is supposed to do, there will be no all-pervasive .NET. Ever.
I hardly think my personal computer will not be around in 5 years. I also doubt linux will be gone. I DEFINITELY doubt that it "wont matter" what OS is run on your system. M$ has made it repeatedly clear that it DOES matter - to them. Whether it is embedded in a cell-phone, a tv-cable tuner, a microwave, it should run M$ windoze. Those systems will require windoze-friendly binaries.
Over my dead body.
Giving up, tossing up the hands, and simply saying "Let M$ own the internet and the universe" as Miguel is objectively doing (regardless of his INTENT) is the wrong way to go. If he wants to cheer this mess on, he should drop ALL reference to M$ and .NET and stick ONLY to what it MIGHT offer linux developers in 4 years. It wont offer DIDDLE with regards to .NET and anything having to do with windoze.
Oh...and they're SO well published aren't they? Yeah, M$ is going to give the whole hog to ECMA. There wont be any hidden strings anywhere that ONLY works (and is only useful) on windoze.
A nice generic development environment, maybe. A means to run M$ binaries on linux? Never ever ever. NEVER.
Know what else is funny? I'm laughing right now. It's the FACT that both Ballmer and Gates ARE laughing about this whole thing RIGHT NOW. They are in an office laughing and getting so exciting that they are actually rubbing themselves.
This whole thing is going EXACTLY the way Gates/M$ wants it to. There is no "danger" here from Mono/Miguel. They are a joke, accidently and delusionally serving the best interests of M$. You HAVE to love this. HALLOWEEN.
A prediction that will actually come true: Mono will fail at making .NET binaries EVER run on linux/unix. NEVER happen. EVER. M$ will NOT publish all the libs/apis, they haven't released the full mess to the ECMA and they wont. They need to hold back so they can do 2 things: 1) Collect licensing fees for access to SOME of the unpublished stuff, and 2) Hold some back for their own private use to ensure that M$ "solutions" work best and everyone else's is, well, broken somehow.
THAT is a prediction with meat on it and it will come true.
Point: M$ isn't evil because they have windoze, M$ is evil because of the BEHAVIOR of M$, the unethical, illegal behavior. It doesn't matter if you find windoze useful or good enough for certain things. In an of itself that is fine, but what is NOT OK and NEVER will be is the illegal, unethical behavior of M$ and Gates. It is the behavior and intent (take over the world, for all intents and purposes - control the means and manner of information distribution) that is evil.
Separate the OS from the overall beast. The beast is STILL evil and to be punished.
Miguel, incidently, is petting and feeding the beast with this whole fantasy of Mono thing. He is helping M$ create a bigger monopoly by taking over the internet and all transactions thereon, and he is helping M$ try to eliminate the PERFECTLY good and still developing Java.
Miguel is doing the community a favor by helping kill gnome with nonsense. He is helping us because without gnome, the defacto standard desktop will be KDE. Now this is independent of whether or not you LIKE KDE or GNOME, it is an objective fact that by being simple-minded with his childish M$-IS-playing-fair-with-C#-and-.NET Miguel hurts Gnome. Hurting Gnome helps KDE, which means that all new users are going to get the same GUI unless they specifically change it or deselect it. This will help linux overall. No more business or user "confusion".
If the KDE folks got looney like Miguel and decided to waste time chasing M$, then Gnome would benefit and KDE would crap out. Same ultimate objective end - the standard would be Gnome and anything else would require specific actions by the user.
Bless you Miguel, your lunacy is helping linux in a way you didn't intend (understandable given your apparent mental instability).
Nah Not back to the drawing board, just back to Java where what Miguel wants is actuallly possible (the fantasy part, that is, of little binaries playing equally well on all computer playgrounds). The .NET binary crap running on linux is sheer, unadulterated, feces. I'm suprized he (Miguel) can stand the smell of all that feces gushing out his bunghole/cakehole. Frickin' delusional twit.
ECMA spec be damned. It is incomplete and will remain so. The key things that WONT be in it, that is a CERTAINTY, will be M$-only. You want to get their benefit and run your code PROPERLY on computers? Ah, well you'll need the M$-C# compiler and the M$-VM. Anything else will fall short and just not cut it. Again, see kerberos, samba, etc, etc, for what to REALLY expect. M$ has not magically changed one iota. Not. One. Bit.
They will NEVER fully release to the ECMA the full spec. They will hold key parts back for their own use ONLY and with others, well, you can pay to license it if you want. Cost you a pretty penny but there you have it.
First thing you do is go interview for a job at M$. That is the ONLY way you will be able to write .NET-compatible, working C# code. The mono stuff is doomed to be a linux-only "broken" implementation of M$-C# and .NET.
IF you want to code the same way but for linux and other OSes, then you should read up on Java. THAT'S the better path to interoperability between platforms and oses. Fact. Sorry, but a FACT.
Sorry, even though Miguel does a good job of going into an indepth "answer", Alan Cox takes all the air out of the sail.
Java is NOT broken or lacking because it is inferior. If it is lacking anything, it is because no one has gone the one step further and fixed it. Do THAT instead of rebuilding from M$-poopie.
Finally, the simple statement by Alan that as soon as M$ decides they're a pain in the ass, poof, there goes the VM into patented special-feature land (see kerberos for a similar f*ckjob) and no .NET viralware will run via mono. Add this to the FACT that the predominant C# compiler in use will be the M$ version. De facto factamundo. The M$ version will be "special" while the free variants will be broken. Just like the PROPER implementation of java (non-M$) was "broken" with respect to the illegal perversions that M$ inflicted on it (and thus we have C#).
M$ is not changing its tune on whit. This is NOT a gift to the developer community. It is NOTHING but a means of continuing lockin (and conversely, lockout) and moola into Gates pocket. Nothing more, nothing less. It may be a nice way to build stuff at some future time for linux but it is NOT a means of being able to run some .NET windoze binary on linux (never happen except accidentally because the code was simple enough not to include "broken" M$-only freakishness). You will find that most of the important stuff will not run. Developers will STILL not make linux-friendly stuff because the bulk of the market is in M$-doze-land and they can run the broken/perverted .NET M$_VM-only stuff.
Stone cold fact. Sing the praises of mono for having the POTENTIAL of providing a nice development environment for linux coders (though unnecessary if they'd instead focus on the correct path of Java) but don't delude yourselves that this will mean windoze binaries working on linux.
No they would not have developed a proper stack. Gates and M$ didn't even recognize the "internet" as important until recently. That means that if they hadn't done what they ALWAYS do and taken someone else's work (creating NOTHING themselves) they would be SOL. They CAN'T create anything. The entire M$ enterprise is about buying/stealing/pirating OTHER people's work. If they hadn't taken the TCPIP stack from BSD, they would either have had to take it from someone else or do without.
There is NO innovation/creation at M$, only taking, stealing, buying the innovations and creations of others.
M$ wouldn't even exist at all if not for taking the creations/ideas of others as the sole source of their product.
And yet, even with Cthulhu sleeping in Rl'yeh, his minions and he STILL manage to generate mischief...else, what were all the stories about? Nothing happening because the old boy is safely sleeping?
It is a tax writeoff that also give the illusion that he's some kind of "good guy".
He is not a good guy, he is a grteedy, megalomaniacal bastard. He ONLY gives to charity because George Sorros (sp?) shamed him into it. Sorros has a good deal less wealth than Gates but give BIG TIME to charities AND the gifts do not have tie-ins to his self-interest and self-aggrandizement. He doesn't give away computers running his OS on it and his office software - so that he can create more users for his shit.
Donating Windoze computers is NOT charitable when it comes from the Capo de Monopolista. It is self-serving pap. EVERYTHING he does is intended to feed M$ coffers. Period. He. Is. A. Nasty. Monster.
I knew of Pluto (freaky), but I was referring to another design which did not spew radioactive debris/exhaust. I don't recall the project name but a large jet was built on which one engine (I believe it was one) was a nuclear engine.
As I recall, the main arguments against it were weight. The shielding necessary made the engine a bit too heavy for widespread use, plus there may have been concern that if the plane crashed, you might spread nuclear core around a bit.
The jet exhaust itself really wasn't radioactive, just heated by the reaction mass rather than combusted.
There is a lot more options for nuclear propulsion than the Orion idea. A variation of the atomic jet engine is one example (there was an atomic-powered "jet" in which a reactor core heated fuel to high temps for propulsion).
Pump your favorite fuel through a nuke core and whoooosh! High power rocket. There is also the nuclear power for systems operations. Nuke engines doesn't mean blowing up nukes behind you against a pusher plate (Orion). That was merely one extreme design that COULD get a package to Alpha Centauri in a lifetime, but it isn't going to happen.
No. To put is simply and purely, .NET is a means for M$ to expand it coffers, make money off everything you do on the network by either RENTING you what you should by rights and logic OWN, collecting and selling user information, and collecting fees/taxes on all internet purchases made via .NET.
.NET is a means to expand the monopoly and power of M$. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT a gift, it is not planned, nor accidently, a blessing for the masses. It is a scheme to make more money in ways you don't even understand yet. It is a way to increase the influence of M$ even further than it is. It is an attempt to hijack the internet and make it the domain of the One True M$.
Some people think it is better than food - a gift from the gods for the betterment of Mankind (NOT!)
Riiiiight. Like they way they properly implemented kerberos so that it works properly one way: with windoze servers and windoze clients. The rest have a "broken" (read, correct and following the REAL standard implementation).
Same with .NET. M$ servers authenticating and serving and collecting user data, collecting transaction fees for every single purchase made over the net. Everyone not M$ have a "broken" implementation and only partially working...but well enough so M$ can still collect your personal data, collect fees for transactions, etc.
Mono allows Free Software folks to leverage millions of installed clients. Sure, Microsoft will try and break compatibility, but if they try too hard they are likely to upset their customers.
What planet are you writing in from? As if M$ doesn't CONSTANTLY break SMB! As if it means diddle that they upset anyone. They break SMB to make their ever-moving target. M$ users are cool because as they break it for everyone else, the supply a "fix" for doze users. Isn't that magical how that works?
Why in the WORLD would you think that Gates has suddenly found Buddha and decided to play nice with everyone? Why would you think that in the case of .NET there would be ANY difference between ALL of M$'s past behaviors and now? There is no change. M$ is the same old M$. They don't even admit to wrongdoing when they are inarguably GUILTY of anti-trust violations. You don't get to do that, the COURTS say you are guilty and you ARE, period. But here we have Gates and Co accepting no such thing, and while the whole court case plays out, they CONTINUE their illegal, same-old M$ crap.
You DO realise that .NET is now also under the guns and will likely have the FTC glowering over it, if not the states.
If you climb in bed with the .NET whore, you give up all your user's privacy, you help your users pay the M$ tax that ALL .NET transactions will have tied to them. .NET is a big privacy violation - and that's just the beginning.
Gates doesn't do ANYTHING that doesn't feed the monopoly. He sure as hell isn't interested in upsetting linux customers. He can shit in your cocoa and not bat an eye and all you can do is cry.
Pipe-frickin'-dream. You are NEVER going to provide 100% compatibility with .NET. M$ will NOT permit it. They will not release all the classes, APIs, whatever (they NEVER do with ANYTHING) and anything that they will release will come with a pricetag that you will not be able to pay.
Fortunately, Sun is a big player on the Gnome development board (or whatever it's called). They will NOT support .NET crap. They will NOT try to crawl in bed with a proven illegal, unethical crook like Gates and Co. You lose. You lose users and you lose on the compatibility front and you lose Gnome because it WILL fork and go the right way. You will be all alone in your deluded "We love M$ and all they do world".
Miguel de Icaza also deserves the same respect
He is a wannabe M$ employee. He says so himself. The only reason he isn't a Gates lackey is because of a visa problem.
MS is a business - it is not inherently evil nor has Bill Gates been conclusively identified as Cthulu-Jr
You are correct. Gates is NOT Cthulhu-Jr, he is Cthulhu. The big mamba, the big cheese, THE Cthulhu. He IS inherently evil. He wants to control everything because he has a real, true, megalomania problem. Really. He is a megalomaniac and control freak perv.
Pa-leeze. For him it is ONLY a tax write-off. There is no humanity involved in his endeavors... Kinda like his "generous" offer to give a bunch of schools computers (running his windows, of course, as one possible "remedy" for M$'s illegal monopoly practices.
He's a big poo-head, through and through, and poo has no humanity, just a bad smell.
All that is well and good except...M$ doesn't play well with others and Gates has a real megalomania problem. He isn't satisfied with making more money than the gods, he must CONTROL everything.
There would be no problems is M$ would simply stick to making their OS good enough for Joe Idiot but they insist on illegally killing off any and all rivals, even if they are not HUGE and seriously dangerous rivals.
All would be well if the final judgement against them prevents Gates and Co from using their monopoly to continue to lockin or tie into other areas where they seek monopoly. If the judgement required certain APIs and protocols to be released for ALL, PERIOD, then all would be well. M$ could STILL dominate the flat desktop market, with most people still using it, but there would be nothing to prevent me, you, Joe-or-Jane Shmo from using linux (or other) if they wished and STILL be able to properly interact with their coworkers and family.
Most people, out of inertia, would not jump ship but those that did would still find themselves on the same ocean and still able to communicate with other ships.
Fine. I mentioned porn and mp3s in particular because porn and music sharing are some of the major sources for big file transfers. Because porn is one of THE biggest industries on the net and music sharing is a major problem for bandwidth too in recent history. How many places started banning napster/gnutella, etc, before any real legal issues came up because of bandwidth issues (and screwing around at work issues)? Plenty started choking those pipes off because they were eating up LOTS of bandwidth.
Normal old web browsing isn't a problem at all. Streaming video, streaming audio, mpegs, *.mov, *.avi, mp3s...they are all a big problem for bandwidth.
You are doing something I am interested in setting up. I have a couple domains of use to me that I want to use for email. How do you go about it? I already have the registered domains, I am just not sure of the next step(s) so I can setup my personal email address as you did - my permanent, neverchanging email with a name I gave it.
It isn't about trying to prevent porn, etc, it's about having a limited resource that MUST be shared among all paying customers. Porn, warez, music all just disproportionately eat up bandwidth in on shot. Big mpegs, avis, or mov files, huge-ass mp3s, large binaries. It is their size, the the type, that is the problem.
A few people with porn addiction can screw up access for everyone else because they're clogging the pipe with their nonsense. It is not porn, et al, in itself that's the problem, it is individuals downloading or uploading huge-ass files up the wazoo that is a problem. Occasional spikes in bandwidth are OK, but long-term, semi-continuous high-bandwidth use is a problem.
If I pay for broadband, I deserve to get it and not get it throttled/choked by some sweaty-pasty porn junkie who can't exercise a little self-control. That kid SHOULD get his bandwidth capped to allow everyone else their fair share. Simple as that...or the kid should pay proportionately for his hogging of bandwidth at the expense of everyone else.