The "lack of speed" is ONLY with regards to startup. Once up, it is plenty fast.
It started out as both a full office suite and desktop replacement - hence the start button/windoze clone menu buttons. As such it was expected that you would start it up and leave it up - speed wasn't a problem with that.
That was a miscalculation. Nobody really wanted a replacement. Everyone is using a GUI on windoze, linux, other unices, so they are simply not interested in a gui replacment. They wanted an office suite. To do the replacement it was thought best to load EVERYTHING at once, then when you actually wanted to use it, it would come up virtually instantly. The price is slow INITIAL startup speed.
Again, a miscalculation. Fortunately and correctly, StarOffice/OpenOffice 6.0 is broken into its component parts and dispenses with the start button/system menu replacement nonsense.
Except every frickin' mobo clock (date/time) I have ever come across can't keep proper time worth a damn. Why is it I could buy some cheap-ass cheesy Care-Bear watch and it is assured of keeping better time, by a long stretch, than any mobo clock? Why is that?!
A part of me would love to see a host of nukes scheduled for decommissioning actually be "decommissioned" on various Middle East areas infested with terrorist training camps and homes. That is not the same as saying "nuke 'em all", which I would be against - there are actually a LOT of innocent Afghannis - most of the population are unwilling prisoners of the Taliban which "know what is best for everyone". I want none of these innocent prisoner/citizens hurt - I want them FREED.
Nukes would be THE most effective and certain way to eliminate all the mountainous hideouts for bin Laden and his butt-buddies. Conventional weapons are all but useless (ask the Russians).
Nonetheless, nukes would not be the "right" way to go. It will end up being conventional. It will take a while and be costly in many different ways. Rest assured that unless there are even more pussy attacks along the lines we've just suffered, the ACTUAL likelihood of nukes being used is virtually nil.
A whole country of the fattest, most spoiled, and most self-righteous people on the planet are filled with indignant fury, and the country's leaders (elected by popular vote)...
Correction. SOME of the elected leaders were elected by popular vote. The administration was NOT elected by popular vote. The administration LOST the popular vote.
Correction. I am an American and I am far from "fat" or "spoiled" unless by spoiled you mean I live in a country designed by and for freedom with a Constitution that protects the rights of men AND women, the rights of the majority and IN PARTICULAR, the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority(sometimes ignored or thwarted but the spirit and design is there).
That said, the Administration is handling this thing appropriately, competently, and correctly thus far. In any case, no matter how "fat" or "spoiled" a people, the atrocity committed is indefensible and utterly reprehensible and is to be condemned and PUNNISHED. Period.
I didn't vote for Bush and I still wont in the future. I don't care for him at all but having stated that, I cannot ding him for anything substantive that he has done in reaction to this monstrosity.
I do not fault him for the wandering way of getting back to D.C., that was mere prudence - and there is literally nothing he could do in D.C. that he couldn't do from Air Force 1 except make a public feel-good appearance. AF1 was designed to be THE command center in event of nuclear war, I'm sure it's up to the task at hand. He never was out of the loop or out of control by being on AF1.
He is definitely NOT an orator. He never could hold a candle to Clinton or Reagan (I never voted for the latter either - but ya got to give him credit for oratory). He is doing what he can with his limited intellectual facilities. He has enough facility to leave the planning to those with smarts - Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, et. al. They will devise a solid and appropriate response and Bush certainly has the smarts to say "Yay" or "Nay" as appropriate. As for oratory, I cannot say that MY man, Gore, would be much more effective, though he certainly wouldn't stumble over words and meanings and names, but that is cosmetic, not real.
I wont stand by and criticize Bush until he actually makes a REAL mistake...a mistake of judgement, or shows a weakness of fortitude or will. Somehow, in spite of my dislike for the man and his ideas, I really doubt that he will present us with the latter case.
Yeah, my mistake. Overly eager...and embarrassing.
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Last night on the news I heard the estimate of up to 20,000 dead in this attack. People were comparing this to the attack on Pearl Harbor, with a mere fraction of that many dead. People, if this count turns out to be accurate, this isn't anything like Pearl Harbor, except metaphorically, it is on line with the ENTIRE Vietnam War. The number of projected causualties is on par with the total number of US causualties throughout that conflict 30+ years ago.
As many have stated, NORAD would be impervious to an airliner. That would barely dent the dirt and burn some bushes. They are deep in Cheyenne Mt.
The only thing on a "5th Plane" I heard about was the rumor of a plane following close behind the plane that hit the Pentagon, but which veered off - suggesting either observation or chickening out. Since it is unlikely at THIS point that another missing airliner would be overlooked, if this story was true, then I would suggest an observer, but then again it was merely an unsubstantiated rumour.
This is no more an issue than the is the "threat" of linux-based viruses. C'mon. Only a complete IDIOT would would "infect" his system with this sort of virus/trojan.
Linux COULD be affected by a virus IF root ran a virus-infected app or if one of the linux office suites develops a hole-laden macro system ala Word - IF that macro was run as root.
This is no threat or problem to any linux system except those few morons who do everything as root and would actually download and run an unknown application off the net as root.
This is a sham. This is FUD. This is either an M$-supported FUD or an attempt by some bozo to get web hits and, as another poster mentioned, harvest email address. Hello spam!
Pardon me, but "desktop targetted"? My ass. Redhat is is more insterested in server space with desktop as a (close) second. Do you assume that if something is designed to install easily or have an array of choices for a GUI environment it couldn't POSSIBLY be targetted at being a server?
CLI is not a necessity to be a server (a MacOS X system can be a fine server and it has a real purdy GUI).
There's really no choice. CURRENT users may or may not upgrade, but as soon as they buy a new computer, they will buy XP. It isn't like the store will offer you a choice: Win98, Win2000, or WinXP? Of course, this isn't REAL choice, a REAL choice would be: Windoze? Linux? OpenBSD? BeOS? AtheOS? All of the above?
Gobi. Go to the Gobi links provided in by slashdot readers. It is the first time I ever saw/came across Gobi - being a formly BeOS-only suite. I must say it looks REAL impressive. I am even willing to pay for it on two conditions: first, just waiting for version 2.0 which should be soon, and second, support for citations and bibliographies/references. If I can't write with proper attribution with ANY of the available linux word processors (except lyx) then I just wont use them, period.
Most of my writing is scientific. This REQUIRES citations and reference pages. This is trivial when using Windoze or MacOS with either Word or WordPerfect in combination with EndNote. With ANY linux wordprocessor (except lyx) it is impossible. Hence, all the offerings are useless to any scientist or any college or highschool student who must write research papers.
I mention lyx. I use lyx because it is the ONLY way to do this sort of writing (scientific) in linux...unlike in the windoze or mac world.
Even though I use lyx, it is still too counterintuitive for my tastes. I use it because I must. I would love to be able to do the same thing in an intuitive WYSIWYG wordprocessor (like you can in doze with Word or WordPerfect plus EndNote. I use lyx. My PI (and virtually all the other scientists around me in my department)uses Word plus Endnote to write their papers for publication. This combo is just as capable as lyx (plus pybliographic) but is MUCH easier to work with and has a much shorter learning curve.
There is no justification for this ability not being built into any one (or all) the developing linux word processors. There is no reason why this capability shouldn't or couldn't be added to all of them.
Those comfortable with lyx can keep using it but most people know and love Word or WordPerfect (the WYSIWYG app). They would likely prefer to stick with this model. Simply give these apps the ability to deal with professional scientific writing - that means citations and reference pages, all properly formatted, and user-configurable styles of citation and reference pages. Some citation styles need to be numbers, some author and year. Some reference pages must be alphabetical, some numbered and in the order in which they are first cited, etc.
Do something right and for the first time EVER give a normal wordprocessor this capability. ONLY lyx, in all the world, has this capability - but it isn't the familiar and preferred (by the general user because it is intuitive) WYSIWYG design. Koffice was once going to be based on klyx. That was quickly dumped in favor of the normal WYSIWYG style. Professional wordprocessors like PageMaker follow this design so there must be something to it - ease of use. Give it another capability: citations and references, damnit!
Problem: I am a human with a mind. I KNOW what is going on in my mind when I am having a conversation. I am pretty sure something similar is happening in the person I am in the conversation with, they being human.
With a computer, all I can do is assume that the responses are impressive but there is nothing happening inside as it is with me. I wouldn't call it a soul, since I do not believe in this, but it is as close to accurate as I can get. The computer would lack the internal consciousness that I have. Simplay passing a turing test doesn't mean the computer that passed it has an internal consciousness. It is cold, lifeless, responding "robotically". Big deal.
Can Gobe do citations and bibliographies? Or do you have to MANUALLY type in every citation and then MANUALLY create your bibliography/reference page(s)? I ask because there is NO capability as part of ANY wordprocessor, windoze, mac, or linux EXCEPT lyx.
You get this capability in windoze or the mac with an addon app like endnote, which is fine, but this is lacking in linux. First, no one thinks about this VERY REAL NEED. Second, they do not write the apps so it is even possible to add this capability with a second app ala endnote.
The ONLY wordprocessor-like app for linux that is built from the ground up with this ability is lyx. You can use a second app like pybliographic or sixpack to do the job of endnote. This all works because of the lyxpipe. The pipe into lyx and its documents that allows you to place citations into your text. All you have to do is at the very end of your document, insert the name and location of your bibliography file (medline, bibtex, etc). Viola! When you print your document, your reference page is properly formatted based on the style you choose (alphabetical or in order of appearance, various journal formats, etc). Your citations throughout your document are also properly formatted.
Does Gobe have this sort of capability built in or is it sorely lacking like EVERY other linux wordprocessor EXCEPT lyx? Please tell me it does have this capability and I will gladly pay for it.
I have StarOffice 5.2 and generally like itbut it is just way too big to go on my laptop which is where most of my writing takes place. When I write something simple, something that doesn't need citations, I use kword. If I am writing something serious, I use lyx. Why? Because ONLY lyx can do citations.
My IMPORTANT writing is scientific, for publication. That means references. In the windoze/mac world, you can use wordperfect or word in combination with endnote and do wonderful citations with autogeneration of your references page. NO wordprocessor in linux, currently OR planned, can do this and the makers of endnote aren't going to write a linux-native version. This leaves lyx.
It took a lot of getting used to because it doesn't look or behave the way ANY other wordprocessors do. But now that I am familiar with it, I use pybliographic or sixpack (two very nice reference managers that can pipe into lyx) with lyx. The result is a complete solution. I can write scientific papers, easily add references, and the reference page is handled for me.
Koffice, Gnome Office, Abiword, StarOffice, Gobe, Papyrus, etc, etc, etc cannot do this, period. You can ONLY use them if you write documents that require no citations - unless you are a freak and LIKE to manually organize your references, add them by hand, and type out your reference pages manually.
Soon, so I am told, Lyx will incorporate a simple reference manager capability like that provided by pybliograhic and sixpack - nice and ABOUT FRICKIN' TIME that SOME linux wordprocessor (or in the case of lyx, wordprocessor-like) contain the ability to deal properly with bibliographies and citations. Sheesh. Are there NO scientists among linux users who create these apps? As far as I can tell, scientists from many different areas ALL use lyx for this reason (among a few others). Until this capability is added to any or all of the other linux office suites, they wont be used by scientists for real writing.
Scientific data analysis: can use kspread ONLY for data entry. When I actually want to plot it out and do analyses, I export the spreadsheet containing my data to a textfile and import it into Grace. I can then do regression/curve fitting and just about any other scientific analysis on my data that I could want. Kspread cannot, and kspread in combination with kchart cannot (let alone that kchart is still buggy as hell).
Please, SOME developer working on ANY of these wordprocessor/office suites, think about more than secretaries and business types. Think, just once, about SCIENTISTS. Hell, if you are a college student in a scientific field of study, you cannot do serious scientific work with ANY linux office suite or wordprocessor EXCEPT lyx. Most of the statistics available are not very robust (or are terribly non-intuitive or buggy) for scientific purposes. The spreadsheets and charting apps can't handle your scientific needs (error bars, regressions, extrapolation, other curve fitting needs). Why is that? None of you are from scientific backgrounds? You're ALL business/mgt clowns?
So...does the ISP just strangle your usenet download speed or are you FULLY dicked, with the ISP limiting all downloads. If the former...sucks but liveable. If the latter, time for a lawsuit and a refund.
Err...if it says "binary" or "binaries" in the name, it is NOT only for discussion. It is for trading/posting binaries (like nice porno pics or apps - if you are dumb enough to use the posted apps, though, you deserve the viruses).
Thanks for the pointer...but why is this specifically harmful to IE? What is wrong with IE that it mishandles this? Or on the contrary, what is wrong with all other browsers that they do NOT get harmed by this?
It appears that this would produce 100 windows of 10000x10000 (pixels?) - I am a little rusty here.
From what I've read in this slashpage and on the berlin site, there is no problem here. You get a self-consistent look and feel for all apps according the to theme the user chooses. That is the way it SHOULD be.
It doesn't hurt blender if its menus are more traditionally placed and layed out. It STILL has the blender-specific additions. If the user selected an Mac-like look and feel, then the menus are all placed at the top. It doesn't mean that the in-window menu that you get with a right-click isn't still there, they would just appear, widget-wise, like the theme you selected.
There is nothing more annoying than opening Mozilla or Netscape and 1) seeing its colors and layout TOTALLY out of sync with my desktop theme, and 2) the fonts are all NOT antialiased. Same goes with GTK apps. Wrong colors, at the least (I use kde - the opposite would be true if I was a gnome-user). I selected antialiased fonts for a reason. ALL my fonts should be antialiased, period. I selected my theme because it works for me aesthetically and functionally. I want all my apps to accept this theming and behave the same way. I don't want any "huh?" involved because some app I'm using breaks reasonable standards of layout, look, and feel. Berlin would/could make this problem a thing of the past for linux/*nix/*BSD.
I, ME, I know what is best for me in this regard. Not some developer with a totally different agenda or preferences or ideas. Stick with making the app itself, what it does and how it does it but leave the look/feel/widgets to ME the enduser. That is as it should be. I know best what is right for me.
A PostscriptDrawingKit is in the works too: That way you can print anything that can get displayed on the screen.
Oh shit, you are HOSED! This makes Berlin a device for evading copy protection. You look at an e-book with berlin using the PostscriptDrawingKit and you've gotten around copy/print protection.
The RIAA/DMCA cops will be busting down your door as soon as this is released.
Not really true. I want "File" to ALWAYS have the same minimum components every time no matter what app it is: open, close, new, etc. There is no valid reason to dick with this. As much as possible, interfaces SHOULD be consistent to MINIMIZE the learning curve.
There is still room in this for task-specific ADDITIONS. Just don't dick with logical standards.
Pa-leeze. What the hell difference does it make if you use GTK or QT to make a square button? Do you NEED to use either to make a button? Lestif can handle the widgets too. Redundant.
If Berlin were to allow for buttons of various shapes, colors, textures...that pretty much covers ALL the possible "creative" part. It just takes it out of the hands of coders and gives it more to the user who may or may not know programing. Toolkits aren't ends in themselves, they are means to an end: a useable and attractive interface. So what if the GUI takes all that and places all control for look and feel in one convenient location (the GUI server)? Creativity still reigns, but it belongs to EVERYONE rather than just coders.
Don't get all worked up over gtk or qt - they are means to an end, not the end themselves. Find something else to work on instead of GUI toolkits. There is plenty else out there.
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The "lack of speed" is ONLY with regards to startup. Once up, it is plenty fast.
It started out as both a full office suite and desktop replacement - hence the start button/windoze clone menu buttons. As such it was expected that you would start it up and leave it up - speed wasn't a problem with that.
That was a miscalculation. Nobody really wanted a replacement. Everyone is using a GUI on windoze, linux, other unices, so they are simply not interested in a gui replacment. They wanted an office suite. To do the replacement it was thought best to load EVERYTHING at once, then when you actually wanted to use it, it would come up virtually instantly. The price is slow INITIAL startup speed.
Again, a miscalculation. Fortunately and correctly, StarOffice/OpenOffice 6.0 is broken into its component parts and dispenses with the start button/system menu replacement nonsense.
Except every frickin' mobo clock (date/time) I have ever come across can't keep proper time worth a damn. Why is it I could buy some cheap-ass cheesy Care-Bear watch and it is assured of keeping better time, by a long stretch, than any mobo clock? Why is that?!
A part of me would love to see a host of nukes scheduled for decommissioning actually be "decommissioned" on various Middle East areas infested with terrorist training camps and homes. That is not the same as saying "nuke 'em all", which I would be against - there are actually a LOT of innocent Afghannis - most of the population are unwilling prisoners of the Taliban which "know what is best for everyone". I want none of these innocent prisoner/citizens hurt - I want them FREED.
Nukes would be THE most effective and certain way to eliminate all the mountainous hideouts for bin Laden and his butt-buddies. Conventional weapons are all but useless (ask the Russians).
Nonetheless, nukes would not be the "right" way to go. It will end up being conventional. It will take a while and be costly in many different ways. Rest assured that unless there are even more pussy attacks along the lines we've just suffered, the ACTUAL likelihood of nukes being used is virtually nil.
A whole country of the fattest, most spoiled, and most self-righteous people on the planet are filled with indignant fury, and the country's leaders (elected by popular vote) ...
Correction. SOME of the elected leaders were elected by popular vote. The administration was NOT elected by popular vote. The administration LOST the popular vote.
Correction. I am an American and I am far from "fat" or "spoiled" unless by spoiled you mean I live in a country designed by and for freedom with a Constitution that protects the rights of men AND women, the rights of the majority and IN PARTICULAR, the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority(sometimes ignored or thwarted but the spirit and design is there).
That said, the Administration is handling this thing appropriately, competently, and correctly thus far. In any case, no matter how "fat" or "spoiled" a people, the atrocity committed is indefensible and utterly reprehensible and is to be condemned and PUNNISHED. Period.
I didn't vote for Bush and I still wont in the future. I don't care for him at all but having stated that, I cannot ding him for anything substantive that he has done in reaction to this monstrosity.
I do not fault him for the wandering way of getting back to D.C., that was mere prudence - and there is literally nothing he could do in D.C. that he couldn't do from Air Force 1 except make a public feel-good appearance. AF1 was designed to be THE command center in event of nuclear war, I'm sure it's up to the task at hand. He never was out of the loop or out of control by being on AF1.
He is definitely NOT an orator. He never could hold a candle to Clinton or Reagan (I never voted for the latter either - but ya got to give him credit for oratory). He is doing what he can with his limited intellectual facilities. He has enough facility to leave the planning to those with smarts - Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, et. al. They will devise a solid and appropriate response and Bush certainly has the smarts to say "Yay" or "Nay" as appropriate. As for oratory, I cannot say that MY man, Gore, would be much more effective, though he certainly wouldn't stumble over words and meanings and names, but that is cosmetic, not real.
I wont stand by and criticize Bush until he actually makes a REAL mistake...a mistake of judgement, or shows a weakness of fortitude or will. Somehow, in spite of my dislike for the man and his ideas, I really doubt that he will present us with the latter case.
Yeah, my mistake. Overly eager...and embarrassing.
Last night on the news I heard the estimate of up to 20,000 dead in this attack. People were comparing this to the attack on Pearl Harbor, with a mere fraction of that many dead. People, if this count turns out to be accurate, this isn't anything like Pearl Harbor, except metaphorically, it is on line with the ENTIRE Vietnam War. The number of projected causualties is on par with the total number of US causualties throughout that conflict 30+ years ago.
As many have stated, NORAD would be impervious to an airliner. That would barely dent the dirt and burn some bushes. They are deep in Cheyenne Mt.
The only thing on a "5th Plane" I heard about was the rumor of a plane following close behind the plane that hit the Pentagon, but which veered off - suggesting either observation or chickening out. Since it is unlikely at THIS point that another missing airliner would be overlooked, if this story was true, then I would suggest an observer, but then again it was merely an unsubstantiated rumour.
This is no more an issue than the is the "threat" of linux-based viruses. C'mon. Only a complete IDIOT would would "infect" his system with this sort of virus/trojan.
Linux COULD be affected by a virus IF root ran a virus-infected app or if one of the linux office suites develops a hole-laden macro system ala Word - IF that macro was run as root.
This is no threat or problem to any linux system except those few morons who do everything as root and would actually download and run an unknown application off the net as root.
This is a sham. This is FUD. This is either an M$-supported FUD or an attempt by some bozo to get web hits and, as another poster mentioned, harvest email address. Hello spam!
Pardon me, but "desktop targetted"? My ass. Redhat is is more insterested in server space with desktop as a (close) second. Do you assume that if something is designed to install easily or have an array of choices for a GUI environment it couldn't POSSIBLY be targetted at being a server?
CLI is not a necessity to be a server (a MacOS X system can be a fine server and it has a real purdy GUI).
There's really no choice. CURRENT users may or may not upgrade, but as soon as they buy a new computer, they will buy XP. It isn't like the store will offer you a choice: Win98, Win2000, or WinXP? Of course, this isn't REAL choice, a REAL choice would be: Windoze? Linux? OpenBSD? BeOS? AtheOS? All of the above?
Hancom Office looks also particularly strong and lovely. It is certainly a contender.
Gobi. Go to the Gobi links provided in by slashdot readers. It is the first time I ever saw/came across Gobi - being a formly BeOS-only suite. I must say it looks REAL impressive. I am even willing to pay for it on two conditions: first, just waiting for version 2.0 which should be soon, and second, support for citations and bibliographies/references. If I can't write with proper attribution with ANY of the available linux word processors (except lyx) then I just wont use them, period.
Most of my writing is scientific. This REQUIRES citations and reference pages. This is trivial when using Windoze or MacOS with either Word or WordPerfect in combination with EndNote. With ANY linux wordprocessor (except lyx) it is impossible. Hence, all the offerings are useless to any scientist or any college or highschool student who must write research papers.
I mention lyx. I use lyx because it is the ONLY way to do this sort of writing (scientific) in linux...unlike in the windoze or mac world.
Even though I use lyx, it is still too counterintuitive for my tastes. I use it because I must. I would love to be able to do the same thing in an intuitive WYSIWYG wordprocessor (like you can in doze with Word or WordPerfect plus EndNote. I use lyx. My PI (and virtually all the other scientists around me in my department)uses Word plus Endnote to write their papers for publication. This combo is just as capable as lyx (plus pybliographic) but is MUCH easier to work with and has a much shorter learning curve.
There is no justification for this ability not being built into any one (or all) the developing linux word processors. There is no reason why this capability shouldn't or couldn't be added to all of them.
Those comfortable with lyx can keep using it but most people know and love Word or WordPerfect (the WYSIWYG app). They would likely prefer to stick with this model. Simply give these apps the ability to deal with professional scientific writing - that means citations and reference pages, all properly formatted, and user-configurable styles of citation and reference pages. Some citation styles need to be numbers, some author and year. Some reference pages must be alphabetical, some numbered and in the order in which they are first cited, etc.
Do something right and for the first time EVER give a normal wordprocessor this capability. ONLY lyx, in all the world, has this capability - but it isn't the familiar and preferred (by the general user because it is intuitive) WYSIWYG design. Koffice was once going to be based on klyx. That was quickly dumped in favor of the normal WYSIWYG style. Professional wordprocessors like PageMaker follow this design so there must be something to it - ease of use. Give it another capability: citations and references, damnit!
Problem: I am a human with a mind. I KNOW what is going on in my mind when I am having a conversation. I am pretty sure something similar is happening in the person I am in the conversation with, they being human.
With a computer, all I can do is assume that the responses are impressive but there is nothing happening inside as it is with me. I wouldn't call it a soul, since I do not believe in this, but it is as close to accurate as I can get. The computer would lack the internal consciousness that I have. Simplay passing a turing test doesn't mean the computer that passed it has an internal consciousness. It is cold, lifeless, responding "robotically". Big deal.
Oh yeah, you'll REALLY get the chicks with wires and rods and various chasis' stickin out all over your body. Chicks think that's SEXY and HOT!
Can Gobe do citations and bibliographies? Or do you have to MANUALLY type in every citation and then MANUALLY create your bibliography/reference page(s)? I ask because there is NO capability as part of ANY wordprocessor, windoze, mac, or linux EXCEPT lyx.
You get this capability in windoze or the mac with an addon app like endnote, which is fine, but this is lacking in linux. First, no one thinks about this VERY REAL NEED. Second, they do not write the apps so it is even possible to add this capability with a second app ala endnote.
The ONLY wordprocessor-like app for linux that is built from the ground up with this ability is lyx. You can use a second app like pybliographic or sixpack to do the job of endnote. This all works because of the lyxpipe. The pipe into lyx and its documents that allows you to place citations into your text. All you have to do is at the very end of your document, insert the name and location of your bibliography file (medline, bibtex, etc). Viola! When you print your document, your reference page is properly formatted based on the style you choose (alphabetical or in order of appearance, various journal formats, etc). Your citations throughout your document are also properly formatted.
Does Gobe have this sort of capability built in or is it sorely lacking like EVERY other linux wordprocessor EXCEPT lyx? Please tell me it does have this capability and I will gladly pay for it.
I have StarOffice 5.2 and generally like itbut it is just way too big to go on my laptop which is where most of my writing takes place. When I write something simple, something that doesn't need citations, I use kword. If I am writing something serious, I use lyx. Why? Because ONLY lyx can do citations.
My IMPORTANT writing is scientific, for publication. That means references. In the windoze/mac world, you can use wordperfect or word in combination with endnote and do wonderful citations with autogeneration of your references page. NO wordprocessor in linux, currently OR planned, can do this and the makers of endnote aren't going to write a linux-native version. This leaves lyx.
It took a lot of getting used to because it doesn't look or behave the way ANY other wordprocessors do. But now that I am familiar with it, I use pybliographic or sixpack (two very nice reference managers that can pipe into lyx) with lyx. The result is a complete solution. I can write scientific papers, easily add references, and the reference page is handled for me.
Koffice, Gnome Office, Abiword, StarOffice, Gobe, Papyrus, etc, etc, etc cannot do this, period. You can ONLY use them if you write documents that require no citations - unless you are a freak and LIKE to manually organize your references, add them by hand, and type out your reference pages manually.
Soon, so I am told, Lyx will incorporate a simple reference manager capability like that provided by pybliograhic and sixpack - nice and ABOUT FRICKIN' TIME that SOME linux wordprocessor (or in the case of lyx, wordprocessor-like) contain the ability to deal properly with bibliographies and citations. Sheesh. Are there NO scientists among linux users who create these apps? As far as I can tell, scientists from many different areas ALL use lyx for this reason (among a few others). Until this capability is added to any or all of the other linux office suites, they wont be used by scientists for real writing.
Scientific data analysis: can use kspread ONLY for data entry. When I actually want to plot it out and do analyses, I export the spreadsheet containing my data to a textfile and import it into Grace. I can then do regression/curve fitting and just about any other scientific analysis on my data that I could want. Kspread cannot, and kspread in combination with kchart cannot (let alone that kchart is still buggy as hell).
Please, SOME developer working on ANY of these wordprocessor/office suites, think about more than secretaries and business types. Think, just once, about SCIENTISTS. Hell, if you are a college student in a scientific field of study, you cannot do serious scientific work with ANY linux office suite or wordprocessor EXCEPT lyx. Most of the statistics available are not very robust (or are terribly non-intuitive or buggy) for scientific purposes. The spreadsheets and charting apps can't handle your scientific needs (error bars, regressions, extrapolation, other curve fitting needs). Why is that? None of you are from scientific backgrounds? You're ALL business/mgt clowns?
So...does the ISP just strangle your usenet download speed or are you FULLY dicked, with the ISP limiting all downloads. If the former...sucks but liveable. If the latter, time for a lawsuit and a refund.
Err...if it says "binary" or "binaries" in the name, it is NOT only for discussion. It is for trading/posting binaries (like nice porno pics or apps - if you are dumb enough to use the posted apps, though, you deserve the viruses).
Thanks for the pointer...but why is this specifically harmful to IE? What is wrong with IE that it mishandles this? Or on the contrary, what is wrong with all other browsers that they do NOT get harmed by this?
It appears that this would produce 100 windows of 10000x10000 (pixels?) - I am a little rusty here.
From what I've read in this slashpage and on the berlin site, there is no problem here. You get a self-consistent look and feel for all apps according the to theme the user chooses. That is the way it SHOULD be.
It doesn't hurt blender if its menus are more traditionally placed and layed out. It STILL has the blender-specific additions. If the user selected an Mac-like look and feel, then the menus are all placed at the top. It doesn't mean that the in-window menu that you get with a right-click isn't still there, they would just appear, widget-wise, like the theme you selected.
There is nothing more annoying than opening Mozilla or Netscape and 1) seeing its colors and layout TOTALLY out of sync with my desktop theme, and 2) the fonts are all NOT antialiased. Same goes with GTK apps. Wrong colors, at the least (I use kde - the opposite would be true if I was a gnome-user). I selected antialiased fonts for a reason. ALL my fonts should be antialiased, period. I selected my theme because it works for me aesthetically and functionally. I want all my apps to accept this theming and behave the same way. I don't want any "huh?" involved because some app I'm using breaks reasonable standards of layout, look, and feel. Berlin would/could make this problem a thing of the past for linux/*nix/*BSD.
I, ME, I know what is best for me in this regard. Not some developer with a totally different agenda or preferences or ideas. Stick with making the app itself, what it does and how it does it but leave the look/feel/widgets to ME the enduser. That is as it should be. I know best what is right for me.
A PostscriptDrawingKit is in the works too: That way you can print anything that can get displayed on the screen.
Oh shit, you are HOSED! This makes Berlin a device for evading copy protection. You look at an e-book with berlin using the PostscriptDrawingKit and you've gotten around copy/print protection.
The RIAA/DMCA cops will be busting down your door as soon as this is released.
Not really true. I want "File" to ALWAYS have the same minimum components every time no matter what app it is: open, close, new, etc. There is no valid reason to dick with this. As much as possible, interfaces SHOULD be consistent to MINIMIZE the learning curve.
There is still room in this for task-specific ADDITIONS. Just don't dick with logical standards.
Pa-leeze. What the hell difference does it make if you use GTK or QT to make a square button? Do you NEED to use either to make a button? Lestif can handle the widgets too. Redundant.
If Berlin were to allow for buttons of various shapes, colors, textures...that pretty much covers ALL the possible "creative" part. It just takes it out of the hands of coders and gives it more to the user who may or may not know programing. Toolkits aren't ends in themselves, they are means to an end: a useable and attractive interface. So what if the GUI takes all that and places all control for look and feel in one convenient location (the GUI server)? Creativity still reigns, but it belongs to EVERYONE rather than just coders.
Don't get all worked up over gtk or qt - they are means to an end, not the end themselves. Find something else to work on instead of GUI toolkits. There is plenty else out there.