I never said Be shipped the BeBox with the hobbit - I was replying to someone insinuating that Be, Inc. started up with the intentions of creating an alternative OS to sell back to Apple. I was pointing out that their original product (whether it shipped or not it was still their product) wasn't even based on the same platform as Macs were running on.
Just because a product never shipped means it didn't exist.
You're missing a few facts. BeOS was really developed to run on their cool new hardware, the BeBox. And what powered the BeBox? Not the PowerPC but the Hobbit. AT&T dropped the Hobbit so Be was forced to change to PowerPC. I believe at this time they kinda got out of the hardware side of things and moved into software (OS) development.
At that point in time JLG could have figured he'd wait for Jobs to fail, but Be, Inc. was not started with that in mind.
The shareholders wouldn't have felt anything because Be hadn't done their IPO yet. From what I understand, JLG was pretty cocky and quite sure of the buyout from Apple. I imaging the VC's were the ones who were pissed.
Palm wanted Be's engineers. I think they wanted Be's IP due to future possible lawsuits. If Be, Inc. thought that there was similar code in BeOS/BeIA and the new PalmOS that their ex-engineers developed, they could sue Palm.
Palm was smart in grabbing the IP. If they didn't someone else would get it in Be's bankruptsy and some third party could sue Palm as well. Look at what happened with Caldera DOS and Microsoft...
Watch for Gobe Productive then. They have a pretty cool office suite that doesn't try to immitate Word. Works like a charm, it's fast, and carries a small footprint.
I've been thinking about that and the general problem of Word and Excel document formats...
Why doesn't anyone create a site similar to http://www.ps2pdf.com where a.doc (or.xls) file could be uploaded and an XML file would be returned? Then all these non-Microsoft word processors could just work on their XML imoprt/export and almost everyone would have a way to use Word and Excel.
You'll see a lot of arguments about why BeOS is superior or inferior. All I know is what I've used it for.
About a year ago I put together a CD with some friends. Using an app that came with BeOS (3dMiX) we had a mutli-track system out of the box. I would find it surprising to see if Windows, Linux or OSX could play back 17 simultaneous tracks of raw audio while recording an 18th track without any dropouts, slowdowns or system hangups. Yes, I did that in BeOS - and it handled the whole thing smooth as butter. After mixing everything down I used a program called T-Racks to set up compression, sustain and equalization. All in real time. I haven't seen any other OS capable of handling this sort of load with such grace.
Maybe some day something else will come along that can do certain things that the BeOS did with ease. Unfortunately it seems that the only way that's happening is with more hardware thrown at the problem of OS's that are too inferior to support heavy operation.
I'll still use BeOS. And wait for the next albatross to show up...
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Ummm... Microsoft had a totally different market (and an extremely small one) when they started. RedHat has a semi-matured market and a large one at that. It's useless to try and compare the two in parallel.
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Consider this:
How many open source companies are making money? How many closed source companies are making money?
Perhaps open source isn't a bad business model, but it's appears to be a pretty sucky one if so few can make money off it.
Eugenia is certainly less than a newbie - she's an editor at BeNews, co-founded BeUnited, and dates one of the Be engineers. *But* she has been known to be pretty blunt about stuff in the past and I can understand how this would turn people off.
Personally I don't see it but I'm probably used to her by now. Either way, their answer was pretty blunt. Overly blunt. Hmmm... nVidia's partnership with Mircrosoft must be wearing off on them.
An IA needs to boot fast. People wouldn't put up with waiting for something to turn on. Heck, I get tired of waiting for my DVD player to read a new DVD - imagine if we had to wait for VCR's, telepohones, and tv's to load up.
This is the new millenium. People don't like waiting for anything. Boot time is *very* important for an IA. BeIA gives any device this option.
Heaven help me because this is going to sound like a troll but...
If a company is going to base all their income on support, wouldn't that make a lack of incentive to create as bug-free, user-firendly a version of their software as possible? I mean, if the program was perfect (understand this will never happen) then you would just install it and use it without the need for support.
So why write a great program if your bread and butter comes from supporting it? Just curious what other opinions are on this...
There were 100,000 people signed up for email notification for the release - something tells me that more than just Slashdot readers are interested in FreeBe. I'll bet it's been slashdotted since midnight last night...
There will be a driver for BeOS. They are currently reworking the OpenGL implementation of the software so as soon as that is ready they'll release it. I believe R5 (FreeBe) will be out before the GL rewrite but they'll release the GL rewrite and the networking rewrite as soon as they're comfortable with them.
Sorry that I don't have more information on it, but I hope it helps.
Being the guy who submitted the story (I'm also known as 'Big Al') it is a functioning version of BeOS. The only thing missing will be some tools and utilities. Cripes, even the IDE will be included in the downloadable version. And I didn't include the whole story because I included the link - there's too much information to fit into only a sentence or two.
I got the whole story. Check out the link and you can get it too!:)
BeOS has Stinger - licensing costs are extrmemely low and you have a company to back up the software quality. I'm surprised - ever since their initial investment in Be Intel hasn't done much of anything with them...
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I never said Be shipped the BeBox with the hobbit - I was replying to someone insinuating that Be, Inc. started up with the intentions of creating an alternative OS to sell back to Apple. I was pointing out that their original product (whether it shipped or not it was still their product) wasn't even based on the same platform as Macs were running on.
Just because a product never shipped means it didn't exist.
You're missing a few facts. BeOS was really developed to run on their cool new hardware, the BeBox. And what powered the BeBox? Not the PowerPC but the Hobbit. AT&T dropped the Hobbit so Be was forced to change to PowerPC. I believe at this time they kinda got out of the hardware side of things and moved into software (OS) development.
At that point in time JLG could have figured he'd wait for Jobs to fail, but Be, Inc. was not started with that in mind.
The shareholders wouldn't have felt anything because Be hadn't done their IPO yet. From what I understand, JLG was pretty cocky and quite sure of the buyout from Apple. I imaging the VC's were the ones who were pissed.
Read the linked interview from 2000 - it'll answer your question.
Palm wanted Be's engineers. I think they wanted Be's IP due to future possible lawsuits. If Be, Inc. thought that there was similar code in BeOS/BeIA and the new PalmOS that their ex-engineers developed, they could sue Palm.
Palm was smart in grabbing the IP. If they didn't someone else would get it in Be's bankruptsy and some third party could sue Palm as well. Look at what happened with Caldera DOS and Microsoft...
Railroads died? Funny, but being in the business it looks to me like they're doing pretty well.
Watch for Gobe Productive then. They have a pretty cool office suite that doesn't try to immitate Word. Works like a charm, it's fast, and carries a small footprint.
I can't wait for it's release...
I've been thinking about that and the general problem of Word and Excel document formats...
.doc (or .xls) file could be uploaded and an XML file would be returned? Then all these non-Microsoft word processors could just work on their XML imoprt/export and almost everyone would have a way to use Word and Excel.
Why doesn't anyone create a site similar to http://www.ps2pdf.com where a
Am I out in left-field here?
You'll see a lot of arguments about why BeOS is superior or inferior. All I know is what I've used it for.
About a year ago I put together a CD with some friends. Using an app that came with BeOS (3dMiX) we had a mutli-track system out of the box. I would find it surprising to see if Windows, Linux or OSX could play back 17 simultaneous tracks of raw audio while recording an 18th track without any dropouts, slowdowns or system hangups. Yes, I did that in BeOS - and it handled the whole thing smooth as butter. After mixing everything down I used a program called T-Racks to set up compression, sustain and equalization. All in real time. I haven't seen any other OS capable of handling this sort of load with such grace.
Maybe some day something else will come along that can do certain things that the BeOS did with ease. Unfortunately it seems that the only way that's happening is with more hardware thrown at the problem of OS's that are too inferior to support heavy operation.
I'll still use BeOS. And wait for the next albatross to show up...
Ummm... Microsoft had a totally different market (and an extremely small one) when they started. RedHat has a semi-matured market and a large one at that. It's useless to try and compare the two in parallel.
Consider this: How many open source companies are making money? How many closed source companies are making money? Perhaps open source isn't a bad business model, but it's appears to be a pretty sucky one if so few can make money off it.
Eugenia is certainly less than a newbie - she's an editor at BeNews, co-founded BeUnited, and dates one of the Be engineers. *But* she has been known to be pretty blunt about stuff in the past and I can understand how this would turn people off.
Personally I don't see it but I'm probably used to her by now. Either way, their answer was pretty blunt. Overly blunt. Hmmm... nVidia's partnership with Mircrosoft must be wearing off on them.
At least he's settled all the rumors about whether or not BeOS will have nVidia support - and they won't have any. These guys are unbelievable.
An IA needs to boot fast. People wouldn't put up with waiting for something to turn on. Heck, I get tired of waiting for my DVD player to read a new DVD - imagine if we had to wait for VCR's, telepohones, and tv's to load up.
This is the new millenium. People don't like waiting for anything. Boot time is *very* important for an IA. BeIA gives any device this option.
Yeah, but so does BeOS.
Heaven help me because this is going to sound like a troll but...
If a company is going to base all their income on support, wouldn't that make a lack of incentive to create as bug-free, user-firendly a version of their software as possible? I mean, if the program was perfect (understand this will never happen) then you would just install it and use it without the need for support.
So why write a great program if your bread and butter comes from supporting it? Just curious what other opinions are on this...
...but when BeOS mounts the linux disks they're read-only. No way to modify them that I know of.
There were 100,000 people signed up for email notification for the release - something tells me that more than just Slashdot readers are interested in FreeBe. I'll bet it's been slashdotted since midnight last night...
There will be a driver for BeOS. They are currently reworking the OpenGL implementation of the software so as soon as that is ready they'll release it. I believe R5 (FreeBe) will be out before the GL rewrite but they'll release the GL rewrite and the networking rewrite as soon as they're comfortable with them.
Sorry that I don't have more information on it, but I hope it helps.
Be's updated the Q&A - you will be able to install it without Windows. It'll just be a standalone OS then.
Being the guy who submitted the story (I'm also known as 'Big Al') it is a functioning version of BeOS. The only thing missing will be some tools and utilities. Cripes, even the IDE will be included in the downloadable version. And I didn't include the whole story because I included the link - there's too much information to fit into only a sentence or two.
:)
I got the whole story. Check out the link and you can get it too!
BeOS has Stinger - licensing costs are extrmemely low and you have a company to back up the software quality. I'm surprised - ever since their initial investment in Be Intel hasn't done much of anything with them...
search for the following phrase:
"more evil than Satan himself"
You'll see that Google is actually more accurate and intuitive than many people think.
Cheers to BeDope (www.bedope.com) for pointing this out...
Okay, but what would make this distinctively Amiga? Why couldn't I go out, get the same pieces of equipment, and build the bloody thing myself?
None of this makes sense to me. I don't see how they're going to stay 'Amiga' with off-the-shelf software and hardware.
Unless they get an exclusive deal with Transmeta, or whoever's making the chips.
I wonder why Be has failed already? They've just gone public with a pretty decent showing and the OS is stronger than ever.
Did I miss some big news that Be's out of business?