He's a troll. "Fu-Ling Yu" Get it? Haha and all that. He just pastes some links from the quoted article and get modded +5 with alacrity because of his charming "engrish". The stupid mods always fall for it.
Yes, sir. Typical MS weenie confusion of ideas, thinking there was no PC before MS Windows.
Lay off the GNU/Crack d00d. If you can't argue without resorting to childish insults then don't even bother posting.
CP/M even did get created, as Unix and the PDP also did. Not even that, CP/M, Sinclair and the TRS-80 machines, not to mention the Commodores, were even cheaper than the IBM PC clones. Even the Apple Macintosh was cheaper than the original IBM PCs and PS/2s...
Look - I understand this is a painful topic for you. "What? Microsoft did what? OMG, that can't be!!!" Your arguments are irrelevant insofar as I never claimed that Windows reduced the street price of Altair by 25%. Anything other than the IBM Personal Computer is irrelevant. Does that make sense? Besides...
MS only capitalised on it better, earlier and more ruthlessly than Digital Research.
...you just made my point for me. I wasn't arguing anything else. To boot, Microsoft was one of the major factors in commoditizing PC hardware. That's it. Whether you agree with the methods or the end result or not is not my problem. The facts are the facts and history doesn't lie.
MS Windows do work, but at enormous human cost in terms of stress, unaccounted work hours...
And let me guess - you propose Linux as an alternative? Right. We're almost there - just as soon as I can get my USB scanner to work without selling my soul to satan.
CP/M had quite a MS-like effect of commoditising hardware
All of those were niche markets for hobby users. To argue anything else about them is dumb. Unless you "ignore history". Otherwise you'd be posting to Slashdot from a Commodore box (like Junis!)
What IBM, not MS
IBM? Nope. If we're talking hardware, that would be Compaq and all the other clone makers. It was Windows that created that synergy between incresingly cheap hardware and demand for a graphic OS. Unless you are still using Warp?
One can argue that, were MS honest
Spare me the party line, mmkay?
There is no reason to believe that MS alone gave us commodity systems.
You don't have to *believe* anything, all you need to do is look at what fueled the spread of those commodity systems you talk about. It was a crappy but workable OS called Windows. And I'm not cheering Microsoft because they gave me cheap boxes, I'm just happy that it happened. But that's *how* it happened.
MS won't make as much money, neither will Intel, and I'm sure a lot of/.ers are really happy about that.
Many/.ers are blissfully unaware that they can buy $400 "boxen" thanks to Microsoft. That's how much Windows has commoditized the hardware markets. Of course, if Wintel gets into trouble then... no more cheap "boxen" to run Linux or BSD. Everyone will look back at the wonderful days of the "Microsoft tax" if that happens.
Peer networks are a hit because of the sheer volume of content they carry. Looking for that weird song you heard while in vacation in Italy 10 years ago and you only know the first name of the performer? It's probably out there. That's what makes Kazaa and its ilk attractive, and that's why Napster was such a huge success.
In any case, "private peer networks" sound suspiciously like "pedophile rings", especially to the hysterical media folks.
Sigh. I'm not trying to trash Indian society, and I don't feel insecure about "my own society". If your response to my original post is "we have the best medicine and education" you're going to get some facts from me, that's all. I'm perfectly aware of "my society's" shortcomings.
Well, you probably know where I'm coming from on this one. I'd be making the same argument if this was Mexico or Brasil doing something that IMO is pointless. FWIW =)
Fucking none, really. I just fucking felt like fucking posting that, like I do every fucking time I see a fucking country where fucking people are literally fucking starving in the fucking street spend fucking $$$ on fucking stupidities.
No, that would Cuba. 52% of Indians can't read or write, 25% live under the poverty line, you have 7 million internet users (out of a billion), you spend 2.5% of your GDP in nukes and you receive 3 billion dollars in external aid per year. Your government has been running a deficit since the 70s and you owe 100 billion dollars to everyone from the World Bank to McDonalds.
So either we're talking some other country or you just pulled that one out of a hat.
I guess any criticism of your country is considered some terrible insult and you must lash out and take offense at the email service I use for throw away addresses.
I don't understand the Indians. They have more people living in poverty than there are people in the US, yet they build nukes and spend tons of money so they can live on the bleeding edge of [insert thing here].
There's nothing you can do with.NET on Windows 2003 that you can't do on XP or 2k
That's not entirely true. While most things are the same, XP and 2003 have better built-in support for interop assemblies loaded into COM+. 2003 specifically has a new model where.NET assemblies are (sort of) COM-less, making COM+ more akin to J2EE than to what it initially was created for (fully COM-based application server).
That's one reason the standard of living is among the very highest in the world - small population, lots of money
There are probably 40 million people (if not more) in the US who enjoy the same standard of living as you do in Norway. That's why those calculations are problematic - they ignore the size of the population as a whole. Of course, distribution of wealth is the key.
like West Virginia. Yikes!
The poverty line in the US is still waaaaay over the poverty lines as defined in most other countries in the world. "Poor amercians" have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the planet.
Outsorcing has nothing to do with distance. It has to do with costs. Even if you telecommute, I still have to pay you $80/hr while the guy in Calcutta (or whatever) is happy making $12/hr.
The problem I see is not so much whether or not he can make a living under the theoretical model he's contemplating (dual licensing or whatever), it's the getting there that's tricky. Most companies will simply look at you funny when you tell them that you need to have special licensing arrangements. If you go down that path because you consider it "the right thing" and get screwed at the end because the company doesn't want to get into too much trouble (remember PHBs do stupid things when confronted with complicated situations) then all he has is some cool code he can release under the GPL, create a SourceForge project for it and hope someone tips him via PayPal once in a while.
Not that trying is wrong - but if you're playing high stakes then you have to ask yourself what you're motivations really are. It's a bit more complicated than posting Perl scripts on Freshmeat.
And laugh all the way to the bank. The very fact that you submitted this shows that you're thinking about it, but remember this: idealism does not a car payment make.
Asking the people who read Slashdot about these things is like asking Martha Stewart about investment advice. What do you think you're going to hear? I doubt you'll get a lot of useful legal advice on how to handle licensing and negotiations. But you're sure to get advice on how to give away your work more efficiently.
Close it up. Make a killing. That is also a freedom.
Slashdot Mirror
See, that's the problem. Neither the people who submit stories nor the "editors" made it past that. So don't beel fad.
He's a troll. "Fu-Ling Yu" Get it? Haha and all that. He just pastes some links from the quoted article and get modded +5 with alacrity because of his charming "engrish". The stupid mods always fall for it.
Lay off the GNU/Crack d00d. If you can't argue without resorting to childish insults then don't even bother posting.
CP/M even did get created, as Unix and the PDP also did. Not even that, CP/M, Sinclair and the TRS-80 machines, not to mention the Commodores, were even cheaper than the IBM PC clones. Even the Apple Macintosh was cheaper than the original IBM PCs and PS/2s...
Look - I understand this is a painful topic for you. "What? Microsoft did what? OMG, that can't be!!!" Your arguments are irrelevant insofar as I never claimed that Windows reduced the street price of Altair by 25%. Anything other than the IBM Personal Computer is irrelevant. Does that make sense? Besides...
MS only capitalised on it better, earlier and more ruthlessly than Digital Research.
MS Windows do work, but at enormous human cost in terms of stress, unaccounted work hours...
And let me guess - you propose Linux as an alternative? Right. We're almost there - just as soon as I can get my USB scanner to work without selling my soul to satan.
Here we go.
CP/M had quite a MS-like effect of commoditising hardware
All of those were niche markets for hobby users. To argue anything else about them is dumb. Unless you "ignore history". Otherwise you'd be posting to Slashdot from a Commodore box (like Junis!)
What IBM, not MS
IBM? Nope. If we're talking hardware, that would be Compaq and all the other clone makers. It was Windows that created that synergy between incresingly cheap hardware and demand for a graphic OS. Unless you are still using Warp?
One can argue that, were MS honest
Spare me the party line, mmkay?
There is no reason to believe that MS alone gave us commodity systems.
You don't have to *believe* anything, all you need to do is look at what fueled the spread of those commodity systems you talk about. It was a crappy but workable OS called Windows. And I'm not cheering Microsoft because they gave me cheap boxes, I'm just happy that it happened. But that's *how* it happened.
Not to mention cheap boxes are usually trash
Millions of people disagree with you.
Many /.ers are blissfully unaware that they can buy $400 "boxen" thanks to Microsoft. That's how much Windows has commoditized the hardware markets. Of course, if Wintel gets into trouble then... no more cheap "boxen" to run Linux or BSD. Everyone will look back at the wonderful days of the "Microsoft tax" if that happens.
In any case, "private peer networks" sound suspiciously like "pedophile rings", especially to the hysterical media folks.
Sigh. I'm not trying to trash Indian society, and I don't feel insecure about "my own society". If your response to my original post is "we have the best medicine and education" you're going to get some facts from me, that's all. I'm perfectly aware of "my society's" shortcomings.
Well, you probably know where I'm coming from on this one. I'd be making the same argument if this was Mexico or Brasil doing something that IMO is pointless. FWIW =)
As a percentage of total population again?
So what the FUCK is your point?
Fucking none, really. I just fucking felt like fucking posting that, like I do every fucking time I see a fucking country where fucking people are literally fucking starving in the fucking street spend fucking $$$ on fucking stupidities.
What's yours, fuckingly speaking?
So either we're talking some other country or you just pulled that one out of a hat.
Thanks for the insight.
Why not invest in quality of life instead?
That's not entirely true. While most things are the same, XP and 2003 have better built-in support for interop assemblies loaded into COM+. 2003 specifically has a new model where .NET assemblies are (sort of) COM-less, making COM+ more akin to J2EE than to what it initially was created for (fully COM-based application server).
No, it's turning to shit because of worthless hysterical assholes with agendas, like you.
Do "this place" a favor and go away.
[...] like putting Michael Jordan on a special olympics basketball team [...]
You might want to rethink your metaphor =)
Your post would have been marginally insightful if it wasn't for the fact that you used the "$" way too many times.
Another blacklist (with an appeals process). Run by a guy that made his millons selling eGroups to Yahoo!.
Dunno, this doesn't look too promising.
There are probably 40 million people (if not more) in the US who enjoy the same standard of living as you do in Norway. That's why those calculations are problematic - they ignore the size of the population as a whole. Of course, distribution of wealth is the key.
like West Virginia. Yikes!
The poverty line in the US is still waaaaay over the poverty lines as defined in most other countries in the world. "Poor amercians" have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the planet.
As a whole? There are 300 million people in the US. How many in Norway again?
A "living wage" in Silicon Valley is well above most anything in the US, which by definition has the highest living standards/costs in the planet.
Outsorcing has nothing to do with distance. It has to do with costs. Even if you telecommute, I still have to pay you $80/hr while the guy in Calcutta (or whatever) is happy making $12/hr.
Not that trying is wrong - but if you're playing high stakes then you have to ask yourself what you're motivations really are. It's a bit more complicated than posting Perl scripts on Freshmeat.
Asking the people who read Slashdot about these things is like asking Martha Stewart about investment advice. What do you think you're going to hear? I doubt you'll get a lot of useful legal advice on how to handle licensing and negotiations. But you're sure to get advice on how to give away your work more efficiently.
Close it up. Make a killing. That is also a freedom.
(hope you read at -1)
Why, I was telling a friend just the other day that there is no such thing as a Slashdot double standard. Never. Na-ha. No way.