Possible. But I wonder how "based on JBoss" or "from the original developers of JBoss" would fly in that situation. After all, if you're taking GPL'ed code (or any other type of license for open software) and aggregating it to create your own (obviously open) software solution, you can't help but say "this is based on the code for product X".
Tiger Direct Executive Vice President Richard Wallet wrote to contradict Michael Robertson's claims
Here's a revolutionary idea. Instead of posting hysterical flamebait stories to the front page, how about you do your homework before the fact? Is it so difficult to email the guy beforehand and ask him for the real story? You sit on submissions for days sometimes, so how problematic would this be?
I know that posting another "M$ is doing evil" story contributes to the bottom line with all the ad impressions and whatnot, but taken as a whole your FUD is no better than Microsoft's. And that puts you on the same ethical bandwagon.
Marc Fleury, president of JBoss Group LLC, Atlanta, said he is prepared to take legal action
JBoss is open source... doesn't the license protect the guys that walked out? Does this mean that Mr. Fleury will sue me as well if I do a JBoss knockoff?
There is no nirvana. The only free infrastructure is dirt. From there on up, everything costs money. You know, money.
It's useless to hypothesize about how to get a free lunch. Instead, hipothesize about how to make better cheap lunches that the masses can wolf down.
The guy who submitted this "article" was on crack, as are the Slashdot "editors" who wouldn't know useless flamebait if it walked up to them singing and gave them a free spell checker and a subscription to Barney's Purple Passion magazine.
But now they say they will use Wine. What a crock of shit! If.NET is crossplatform then so is MS Word!
Did you RTFA? They are using Wine to implement the forms package only. The rest of the non Win32-specific stuff runs without Wine just fine. There's even bindings for GTK if you're not interested in the full forms package.
Just another "Oh, Ximian/Miguel/et.al are in bed with Microsoft, they suck" uninformed post.
I didn't post this - I'd rather not go around replying to this guy's posts all over the place and crying foul, and I certainly wouldn't do it as an AC. But moderators that are rewarding this asshole should be aware of what is happening.
This guy is a troll. This is the real Miguel de Icaza. Simply look at the troll's posting history as well as his journal entries and make up your mind.
There is a difference here (at least in most cases) - you actually pay to receive these messages, right? I know email spam also costs me money, but it's always sorta deferred over my ISP's monthly bill. Here, you get shafted for every message you get?
Admittedly I don't do text messaging on my cell phone since I have better things to do, but that was my understanding.
Who hasn't seen those infommercials on TV that promise how YOU TOO CAN BECOME A MILLIONAIRE!!! if you patent that dog walking widget and surrender the rights to "Inventors, Inc." - just sign on the dotted line, and here's your check. Don't call us, we'll call you.
Who knows how many products have seen the light of market through this process?
I think that eventually the average consumer will be clued in to things like these and the manufacturers will start feeling the pain. So we'll either have to go with an "illegal" solution, or the folks who make this products will give Big Media the finger. It's all downhill from there...
This is going to be interesting, actually. Support for ZIP files in XP is implemented as a shell extension that makes them behave like directories. I personally disable that and use WinZip, but I wonder what will happen if enough users complain about not being able to read.zip files from XP - Microsoft's clout could very well come into play in favor of one of the two feuding standards, if only to make sure the shell behaves as expected.
Perhaps you should pay for it and you wouldn't have that problem. $30 bucks is probably $30 more than most people here are accustomed to paying for software, but in my opinion it's worth it. I bought a license three years ago and it's paid for itself many times over since then.
I believe he's gotten the marketing spiel from the RH sales drones, and now he wants some "from the trenches" opinions, as it were. The paper you managed to find so easily is just that: marketing spiel.
Don't let that stop you from insulting him though.
How is "hyping existing stuff" any better under your logic? "hyping" to me means false advertisement, pure and simple.
Also, be careful when you say "legally binding to deliver what you promise". Have you ever been in a software project that was late?
The problem here is not just saying "we're gonna do X and Y", but what effect that has over your competitors. Now, in the case of Microsoft, I find it difficult to agree that they affected the competition because they promised product X by date Y - if anything, that makes me lose confidence in them, not sit and wait for X to be released. But when you have no competition, well, that's another matter. You're just keeping your customers interested in what you're doing.
Everyone is guilty of hyping unreleased stuff. From commercial software companies like IBM, Microsoft and Sun to open source projects. Virtually no one is innocent if doing that type of thing, if only to keep interest alive.
In this case I suspect the govt' is just trying to further stick it to Enron and set an example.
Well, to be fair, Japanese support under the English version of Outlook ain't so hot either (see what happens when you receive an ISO-8859-1 message and use Japanese in your reply...).
That's not an Outlook feature (or lack thereof). It's supported at the OS level, at least in W2K and XP. Did you install the Japanese IME?
Let me see if I get this right - when an IE vulnerability is reported, you post along the lines of "M$ IS EVIL" and "IE IS TEH SUX". And when a *nix vulnerability is reported, you post along the lines of "M$ IS EVIL" and "IE IS TEH SUX".
I always found his weird rant rather amusing. For example:
Bill Gates has pissed me off from day one. [...]when his track record suggests that he wouldn't know a decent design idea or a well-written hunk of code if it bit him in the face. He's made his billions selling elaborately sugar-coated crap that runs like a pig on Quaaludes, crashes at the drop of an electron, and has set the computing world back by at least a decade.
Especially amusing is the fact that the "sugar coated crap that runs like a pig on Quaaludes" and "crashes at the drop of an electron" could be applied to Linux (and Unix and the *BSDs) just as well, especially if the user doesn't know what he's doing. Oh, but wait - "has set the computing world back by at least a decade". We're not talking mom and pop users here, now are we? What is "the computing world"? Not the rarefied heights of academic computing, surely?
And where was the open/free graphical OS back in 1991? To compete with Windows 3.1 and the Mac? With things like PageMaker and WordPerfect and Excel and so on?
Especially amusing is this:
but I do mind that he peddles himself as the ultimate hacker and God's own gift to technology
It always seemed to me that he's describing himself.
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Possible. But I wonder how "based on JBoss" or "from the original developers of JBoss" would fly in that situation. After all, if you're taking GPL'ed code (or any other type of license for open software) and aggregating it to create your own (obviously open) software solution, you can't help but say "this is based on the code for product X".
Here's a revolutionary idea. Instead of posting hysterical flamebait stories to the front page, how about you do your homework before the fact? Is it so difficult to email the guy beforehand and ask him for the real story? You sit on submissions for days sometimes, so how problematic would this be?
I know that posting another "M$ is doing evil" story contributes to the bottom line with all the ad impressions and whatnot, but taken as a whole your FUD is no better than Microsoft's. And that puts you on the same ethical bandwagon.
JBoss is open source... doesn't the license protect the guys that walked out? Does this mean that Mr. Fleury will sue me as well if I do a JBoss knockoff?
It's useless to hypothesize about how to get a free lunch. Instead, hipothesize about how to make better cheap lunches that the masses can wolf down.
The guy who submitted this "article" was on crack, as are the Slashdot "editors" who wouldn't know useless flamebait if it walked up to them singing and gave them a free spell checker and a subscription to Barney's Purple Passion magazine.
Did you RTFA? They are using Wine to implement the forms package only. The rest of the non Win32-specific stuff runs without Wine just fine. There's even bindings for GTK if you're not interested in the full forms package.
Just another "Oh, Ximian/Miguel/et.al are in bed with Microsoft, they suck" uninformed post.
I didn't post this - I'd rather not go around replying to this guy's posts all over the place and crying foul, and I certainly wouldn't do it as an AC. But moderators that are rewarding this asshole should be aware of what is happening.
This guy is a troll. This is the real Miguel de Icaza. Simply look at the troll's posting history as well as his journal entries and make up your mind.
You mean... to sell them something?
Heheh.
Hehehehehe!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
*wipes tears*
These /. dudes just kill me sometimes.
Heh.
Luke...
Well, it doesn't matter anyway. Taco has lost his vaunted sense of humor and funny mods don't count anymore.
All this suing is getting ridiculous.
Admittedly I don't do text messaging on my cell phone since I have better things to do, but that was my understanding.
You forgot to say Linux will survive.
Who knows how many products have seen the light of market through this process?
Hardly limited to the tech arena, I think.
I think that eventually the average consumer will be clued in to things like these and the manufacturers will start feeling the pain. So we'll either have to go with an "illegal" solution, or the folks who make this products will give Big Media the finger. It's all downhill from there...
This is going to be interesting, actually. Support for ZIP files in XP is implemented as a shell extension that makes them behave like directories. I personally disable that and use WinZip, but I wonder what will happen if enough users complain about not being able to read .zip files from XP - Microsoft's clout could very well come into play in favor of one of the two feuding standards, if only to make sure the shell behaves as expected.
Perhaps you should pay for it and you wouldn't have that problem. $30 bucks is probably $30 more than most people here are accustomed to paying for software, but in my opinion it's worth it. I bought a license three years ago and it's paid for itself many times over since then.
Them's some purty expensive blank CD's!!
Don't let that stop you from insulting him though.
Oops, lost you there.
Also, be careful when you say "legally binding to deliver what you promise". Have you ever been in a software project that was late?
The problem here is not just saying "we're gonna do X and Y", but what effect that has over your competitors. Now, in the case of Microsoft, I find it difficult to agree that they affected the competition because they promised product X by date Y - if anything, that makes me lose confidence in them, not sit and wait for X to be released. But when you have no competition, well, that's another matter. You're just keeping your customers interested in what you're doing.
In this case I suspect the govt' is just trying to further stick it to Enron and set an example.
That's not an Outlook feature (or lack thereof). It's supported at the OS level, at least in W2K and XP. Did you install the Japanese IME?
Well, at least you're consistent.
And where was the open/free graphical OS back in 1991? To compete with Windows 3.1 and the Mac? With things like PageMaker and WordPerfect and Excel and so on?
Especially amusing is this:
It always seemed to me that he's describing himself.