You really don't think that Microsoft came up with the whole windows concept on their own did you?
Nice non-sequitur.
But I think figured out what you were trying to say --
I thought MS copied "windows" to make it easier on the user to manage and maintain, and not actually require people to know what the "heck they were doing". But I guess I'm way off here!
Well, let's try this again. We were discussing servers, eh? No, the average home user does *not* need to know what "the heck they're doing". OTOH, if you're administering or otherwise dicking around with an enterprise-level network, then yes, most of the time it pays to know "what the heck you're doing" since you're probably being compensated for it. Does that make sense? Grok?
So again, why pay so much more money to run win machines when you can run linux for free if you have to know what the heck you are doing for both?
Any links as to how the thing works (from a tech standpoint)? I "heard" it hooks process creation in Windows and blocks attempts to launch "protected" executables but I'm not 100% sure of the underpinnings. Certainly that's difficult to pull off correctly if my experience with shell-level hooks is any indication.
Everyone knows that changing stories without notification is a very, very bad practice, and an ethical editor like micheal would never stoop to such a low level.
Moderation rears its ugly head again, I see you got an offtopic slap.
Anyway, think of why this happens. Especially in a story like this, Slashdot (or the OSDN keiretsu) could be fully taken to court by Intuit because of misrepresentation of facts and loss of business related to that. Don't know the exact legal term, but I'd think it's somewhat akin to slander. Never mind that it doesn't really matter - TurboTax and the whole activation thing sucks. But it's different if it's plastered all over the front page for half a million people to see.
Ergo, the "editorial byline" is fixed with alacrity. Very convenient.
Hmmm. What's that I see in the distance? An offtopic bitchslap on this thread? Could it be? Yes!!
Here's a nice overview of spyware. Point your non-techie friends/co-workers/family/pets to articles like this one so they "get" what spyware is and what it's not, and explain to them why they should avoid it.
Gator for example claims millions of "satisfied customers" - in my experience they have millions of victims who don't know how the crap got into their computers in the first place and no clue as to how to remove it. But I guess that's a valid "installed base".
As for C-Dilla, I don't think it's spyware (not in the classic definition anyway), but regardless of that TurboTax is no longer welcome on my computer, and I happen to be a 5 year satisfied user. There's absolutely no fucking way I'm going to live with a resident executable living in my system hooking processes to see if they are "protected". Intuit can smooch my bootay. I'm going with TaxCut for 2002.
I hope the company rents a clue from this, and I hope their sales fall through the basement and they fix it for 2003. If they do, I'll buy it again.
If their mouthpiece spokeswoman ("doctor and CEO") is anything to go by, I'll pass on the claims of scientific breakthrough. She looks like a washed-out hooker from some eastern european country that got high on hashish one too many times.
That's the image they project, at least IMO. Never mind the crackpot spiel. They might as well sell tinfoil mind protectors.
Does that mean they get to do only "clean" games with no gore and no naked chicks?
Just wandering about the curious choice of school, given the problems we've seen lately with WalMart not carrying theose "ultra violent" games. Free speech and so on.
You can most certainly not be anything but a Microsoft advocate
Hmmm, yes. Let me guess - you're one of those open source zealots that think they're somehow entitled to having everything for free, right? Because "information wants to be free" or some such nonsense?
And we'll educate them so they pay us.
If it makes you feel better, you don't have to pay. You can just do without the service. Cars cost a lot of money, but I can always just take the bus. Or if I happen to live in my parent's basement and I exhausted my weekly allowance on zit medication, I can always walk. But I doubt the Ford dealership will give me the car for free because I feel I'm entitled to it, or because my dad pays taxes that help build the roads where the cars are driven. Or something.
Isn't that one of the things you people like so much? Choice?
BTW, if you don't like my sig, I suggest you switch that off in your preferences. And next time, either log in or FOAD.
it's more like being charged a toll to park your car, then being charged another to enter your home
That's not an analogy, that's ridiculous.
Don't forget it's only $19.95 a month to have unlimited toilet flushes (you must supply your own water and sanitizer and scrub the bowl yourself, you also must the toilet bowl.
This doesn't hold up. I already have the toilet bowl because it came with the house. I have to pay for the amount of water I use, plus toilet paper. However, taking a crap is not optional (for me at least), whereas reading comics online is. Do you see why your analogy doesn't hold up?
What most of these sites do is on par with Microsoft
Oops, lost you there. Wait for the next Micro$oft bashing article and post this there.
Let me ask you a question - when you buy an all-expenses paid vacation to Mongolia that covers the airfare, hotel and three meals per day, do you also hustle the locals to give you the souvenirs and brick-a-brack you intend to take back for free? Because heck, you already paid for the vacation, right? Even though the souvenir vendor has absolutely nothing to do with your travel agent, the hotel or the airline and is of course not getting a cut from your travel budget?
Sites don't want to charge a reasonable fee and people think their ISP bill is an all access pass to the Internet
No, and you can follow the tollbooth logic - the fact that I pay taxes which go to building highways doesn't save me from having to shell out some moolah at the tollbooth. But until you educate people otherwise, then yes, as far as they're concerned their ISP bill is enough. After all, everything used to be free on the Internet, eh? Why should I start paying now?
User (customer!) education is the key. But there needs to be some sort of paradigm Billy Bob Joe can relate to in order to shell out some of his hard-earned money.
What that is of course I have no idea.
The success of micropayments will also lead to another interesting scenario: consolidation. Instead of there being 7 free hardware review sites you'll have only two. Just like the real world, commercial pressures and competition will eventually do away with diversity. I'm not making any judgement on whether or not that would be good. That's fodder for another thread.
The flip side of course is bandwith becoming extremely cheap, which is also a possibility.
The funny thing is, at least on my PC, Mozilla 1.2.1 renders pages as fast as IE (though it still takes ages to load). There's no noticeable difference, AFAICT. Ditto for Phoenix.
If I go to the scripting language chooser page and not fill any values before clicking on the "Click to score the languages suitability to you!" thing, I get a "JavaScript is the scripting language for you!" alert.
Now, what I want to know is - is that good or bad?
Posted by timothy on Sunday January 05, @ 11:11PM from the who-cares-if-its-fast dept. zupah^x0r writes "Good news guyz!!1! While looking through the Mozila source I spoted the reason behind the browsers' supercallifagilistick speed; it seems the good folx at Mozilla are "cheating" when crating the HTTP requestor to the web server or something. Heres teh skoop. Please be sure to donation to the Mosila org, k?" Yes, they're cheating as far as the RFC is concenred, but this is a good thing as far as I'm concerned becuase the browser is fastest. Yay open source!
Ooooohhhh, 4 whole machines, that's like, enough win2k experience to call yourself... well, not much.
Well, I was talking about my home network if that makes sense. From your comments I could hardly have elucidated that you were somehow talking about your *work*. As far as work, well, aside from reinstalls due mostly to hardware failures (for servers, about 300 of them) or stupid users (about 2,000 of them) I can't really say the stats are very different. Of course my observations on this are based on my previous experience with NT4 (wich was not very good) and just plain common sense. Just like your, eh, insightful comments about "OMFG M$ suxxor ROLOFL linux adn BsD is teh bomb!!11!" or something like that.
I help manage a hell of a lot more machines than that, buddy, and in my experience, which is in no way conslusive but is a damn sight more than yours, it's got some serious problems.
Right, "buddy". I'm sure you do. That's why you're such an expert in Windows 2000 and why your servers (?) and workstations just wouldn't damn work. Dontcha just hate it when that happens?
If I remember correctly, it had something to do with very extensive filesystem corruption
Well bloody color me silly and slap me bonkey! I've never seen that happen on a Linux box! Absofuckinglutely never! <snort>
Ok, then add 2000/XP to that too then. Come to think of it, I have had 2k require reinstalls. That's totally ridiculous...
I've never had to reinstall Windows 2000. Not once in the three years I've been using it on four different machines. Certainly not because of a video driver upgrade. Ditto Windows XP on one other machine for 1/2 years. Hmmmm. Perhaps you just didn't know what the heck you were doing?
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Nice non-sequitur.
But I think figured out what you were trying to say --
I thought MS copied "windows" to make it easier on the user to manage and maintain, and not actually require people to know what the "heck they were doing". But I guess I'm way off here!
Well, let's try this again. We were discussing servers, eh? No, the average home user does *not* need to know what "the heck they're doing". OTOH, if you're administering or otherwise dicking around with an enterprise-level network, then yes, most of the time it pays to know "what the heck you're doing" since you're probably being compensated for it. Does that make sense? Grok?
So again, why pay so much more money to run win machines when you can run linux for free if you have to know what the heck you are doing for both?
You assume to much, d00d.
Any links as to how the thing works (from a tech standpoint)? I "heard" it hooks process creation in Windows and blocks attempts to launch "protected" executables but I'm not 100% sure of the underpinnings. Certainly that's difficult to pull off correctly if my experience with shell-level hooks is any indication.
I guess. IANAL, of course =)
Well I guess that covers most Slashdot readers but it doesn't do it for me, nach.
Thanks for the tip anyway.
Moderation rears its ugly head again, I see you got an offtopic slap.
Anyway, think of why this happens. Especially in a story like this, Slashdot (or the OSDN keiretsu) could be fully taken to court by Intuit because of misrepresentation of facts and loss of business related to that. Don't know the exact legal term, but I'd think it's somewhat akin to slander. Never mind that it doesn't really matter - TurboTax and the whole activation thing sucks. But it's different if it's plastered all over the front page for half a million people to see.
Ergo, the "editorial byline" is fixed with alacrity. Very convenient.
Hmmm. What's that I see in the distance? An offtopic bitchslap on this thread? Could it be? Yes!!
Gator for example claims millions of "satisfied customers" - in my experience they have millions of victims who don't know how the crap got into their computers in the first place and no clue as to how to remove it. But I guess that's a valid "installed base".
As for C-Dilla, I don't think it's spyware (not in the classic definition anyway), but regardless of that TurboTax is no longer welcome on my computer, and I happen to be a 5 year satisfied user. There's absolutely no fucking way I'm going to live with a resident executable living in my system hooking processes to see if they are "protected". Intuit can smooch my bootay. I'm going with TaxCut for 2002.
I hope the company rents a clue from this, and I hope their sales fall through the basement and they fix it for 2003. If they do, I'll buy it again.
"copied" Windows? WTF are you talking about?
Holy shit! What the fuck is that??
Holy cybernetic guacamole! Does anyone need anymore evidence that RMS went off the deep end years ago?
Go the fuck ahead and mod me down, but jeez, somebody has to say these things.
ROFL
Make a wild guess
That's the image they project, at least IMO. Never mind the crackpot spiel. They might as well sell tinfoil mind protectors.
Just wandering about the curious choice of school, given the problems we've seen lately with WalMart not carrying theose "ultra violent" games. Free speech and so on.
Hmmm, yes. Let me guess - you're one of those open source zealots that think they're somehow entitled to having everything for free, right? Because "information wants to be free" or some such nonsense?
And we'll educate them so they pay us.
If it makes you feel better, you don't have to pay. You can just do without the service. Cars cost a lot of money, but I can always just take the bus. Or if I happen to live in my parent's basement and I exhausted my weekly allowance on zit medication, I can always walk. But I doubt the Ford dealership will give me the car for free because I feel I'm entitled to it, or because my dad pays taxes that help build the roads where the cars are driven. Or something.
Isn't that one of the things you people like so much? Choice?
BTW, if you don't like my sig, I suggest you switch that off in your preferences. And next time, either log in or FOAD.
Being a nice guy may not get me hot chicks and lots of money, but it should.
Reality is a harsh mistress, eh.
So you never visit that theater again and/or never see another movie from the same director. Someone just lost a customer. Economics 101.
I thought it was. Why not?
it's more like being charged a toll to park your car, then being charged another to enter your home
That's not an analogy, that's ridiculous.
Don't forget it's only $19.95 a month to have unlimited toilet flushes (you must supply your own water and sanitizer and scrub the bowl yourself, you also must the toilet bowl.
This doesn't hold up. I already have the toilet bowl because it came with the house. I have to pay for the amount of water I use, plus toilet paper. However, taking a crap is not optional (for me at least), whereas reading comics online is. Do you see why your analogy doesn't hold up?
What most of these sites do is on par with Microsoft
Oops, lost you there. Wait for the next Micro$oft bashing article and post this there.
No? Thought so.
No, and you can follow the tollbooth logic - the fact that I pay taxes which go to building highways doesn't save me from having to shell out some moolah at the tollbooth. But until you educate people otherwise, then yes, as far as they're concerned their ISP bill is enough. After all, everything used to be free on the Internet, eh? Why should I start paying now?
User (customer!) education is the key. But there needs to be some sort of paradigm Billy Bob Joe can relate to in order to shell out some of his hard-earned money.
What that is of course I have no idea.
The success of micropayments will also lead to another interesting scenario: consolidation. Instead of there being 7 free hardware review sites you'll have only two. Just like the real world, commercial pressures and competition will eventually do away with diversity. I'm not making any judgement on whether or not that would be good. That's fodder for another thread.
The flip side of course is bandwith becoming extremely cheap, which is also a possibility.
You *really* need to get a fucking life.
But what do I know.
Now, what I want to know is - is that good or bad?
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Posted by timothy on Sunday January 05, @ 11:11PM
from the who-cares-if-its-fast dept.
zupah^x0r writes "Good news guyz!!1! While looking through the Mozila source I spoted the reason behind the browsers' supercallifagilistick speed; it seems the good folx at Mozilla are "cheating" when crating the HTTP requestor to the web server or something. Heres teh skoop. Please be sure to donation to the Mosila org, k?" Yes, they're cheating as far as the RFC is concenred, but this is a good thing as far as I'm concerned becuase the browser is fastest. Yay open source!
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Aren't rich people great!?
Well, I was talking about my home network if that makes sense. From your comments I could hardly have elucidated that you were somehow talking about your *work*. As far as work, well, aside from reinstalls due mostly to hardware failures (for servers, about 300 of them) or stupid users (about 2,000 of them) I can't really say the stats are very different. Of course my observations on this are based on my previous experience with NT4 (wich was not very good) and just plain common sense. Just like your, eh, insightful comments about "OMFG M$ suxxor ROLOFL linux adn BsD is teh bomb!!11!" or something like that.
I help manage a hell of a lot more machines than that, buddy, and in my experience, which is in no way conslusive but is a damn sight more than yours, it's got some serious problems.
Right, "buddy". I'm sure you do. That's why you're such an expert in Windows 2000 and why your servers (?) and workstations just wouldn't damn work. Dontcha just hate it when that happens?
If I remember correctly, it had something to do with very extensive filesystem corruption
Well bloody color me silly and slap me bonkey! I've never seen that happen on a Linux box! Absofuckinglutely never! <snort>
I've never had to reinstall Windows 2000. Not once in the three years I've been using it on four different machines. Certainly not because of a video driver upgrade. Ditto Windows XP on one other machine for 1/2 years. Hmmmm. Perhaps you just didn't know what the heck you were doing?