I didn't say that VS.NET == J2SE SDK. I've use both, the are not similar. Anyone would agree. The poster I that I was replying to said that the JVM doesn't come with an application server like ASP.NET. Well duh. The CLR doesn't come with IIS/ASP either, I was merely stating that equivalent alternatives for Java are out there.
I disagree. The J2SE SDK is equivalent to the.NET SDK and Runtime. Both come with APIs and documentation as well as the common runtime environment (except the first one can run on more platforms). Also, Tomcat is a Java Servelet container, which works much as IIS/ASP (which is not free) does. That is certainly not equivalent to the.NET SDK.
Please consider the context of the entire thread before trying to correct errors.
As an AC said, Libertarians are NOT, in fact Objectivists. I'm not anti-freedom, and I'm not right wing, I *am* a Libertarian. To that end, I also voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Not because I wanted to see Nader get the presidency (believe me, I saw Jello Biafra speak during his spoken word/sorta campaign tour in 99-2000, I *don't* want him in office [though the Dead Kennedys were rockin]), but because I believe in a true democracy. One without two party, money grubbing systems. Also, it's RaiseTheFist.com, not the first. Please: STOP FANNING THE FLAMES IGNORANCE AND HATRED. If you can't beat your "opponents" without slander and false assumptions, then you can't possibly be any better than they.
And the last time I checked Sun's JVM does not include an Application Server(ie like ASP.NET).
Agreed, but the openness of the language and the Java community allows for others to come up with even better solutions. Downloading the J2SE sdk and Tomcat is cheaper than buying Visual Studio.NET from a development standpoint.
I agree with your first statement, at my work though, we're all running Win2k with IE 5.5, and certainly no.NET CLR. Granted installing it is trivial, but when the number of workstations is in excess of a few thousand, this becomes a pretty big headache. Also to take note of is that if you've already got a Java devel squad, why switch to.NET? Learning C# wouldn't take that long, sure, but the entire point of.NET is that you can maintain a heterogenous project composed of different languages. If you're not taking advantage of MSIL (MSIL, bytecode, what's the difference?), then why switch to.NET? Ubiquitous runtime environment? Yeah, Java has that. Plus the JVM is ported to other platforms that.NET is not yet. Even when [if] Mono hits primetime, it will be a while until [if] they get Windows.Forms working. Slower runtime than native compiled code? Yeah, they both got that.
"*Editor's Note: Now that we've successfully converted our writer to a Windows PC, we will be working on getting her to try a Pocket PC. Stay tuned for more developments!"
I can only imagine how great a product must be that it takes them 8 years to convince their own writers to use their products in house! I'm betting we'll see her convert by 2034. Who's in?
Is there any verification that FortKnox isn't just a made up name? If it isn't, it's scary people would confuse real media personalities with fake personas (have you turned your television on lately)?
Honestly, I take him as a fake. Sure, Microsoft did a better job faking people, but it's not that special. Look at Max Headroom, he revolutionized the fake person gig.
"Despite the intense battle surrounding the open source, the NSA will still fund research on secure operating systems based on Linux as well as work with US companies to create better security in their own operating systems."
Reading the Whole Thing, as usual, gives you perspective one the whole story.
That's kind of funny, I was reading their distribution's web site news (which goes back to Dec. 2000), and I didn't see any mention of that, though I did see mention of work being done on integrating with Linux 2.5, posted in late August. How odd, no one must have told them that the project ended, according to your comment.
Because, ya know, installing the ubiquitous productivity suite made by the same software company as the operating system it runs on sounds like stacking the decks to me!
I find it both amusing and disturbing that as I read that article about a man playing with his phone, CNN.com put up a giant banner ad telling me how cool it would be to pay to get CNN headlines on my mobile device and essentially...play with my phone.
I gotcha. I split rent with another guy for $350 a month. Could I pay mortgage on a house for $350 a year? Possibly. On the big if that I could, it would either be a disgusting place, or I'd be paying off the house for the next 200 years.
Do people pay $1500 in rent? Yeah, cities are a nightmare rent costs. Are you better off buying a house in the 'burbs? Yeah, if that's your thing and you don't have money to burn.
And I really hate the fact that even if I sell my house for exactly what I paid for it, I will still come out at least 15% ahead.
Err, well, you must live in a different world than me. If I sell the house for exactly what I paid for it,
Real estate and houses in general are skyrocketing. Everyone seems to need to feel that what they're investing in is the "next big thing"; at current that's real estate (remember the 2000 dot-com's?). You are exactly right in all of your comments, but I think that the intent of the original poster's downplaying the investment that houses are is that the cost of a house today (especially in some areas) is *MUCH* more than it was a few years ago, and much more than it will be in a few years.
You are absolutely right. I think it's funny how the other reply to my comment was modded insightful when really think about it: NO ONE HAS EVER MADE MUCH MONEY (if any) SELLING CONSOLES. No consumer wants to buy a console for $600 (that's why about 8 games were ever sold for the NeoGeo a bunch of years back), so they have to cut prices to just above even, if that. Both the XBox and PS2 dropped $100 in price recently and you can't tell me that that was all profit money. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are doing so well in revenues generated by their consoles, that's why they sell licenses to make games in the first place. We all love to hate Microsoft, but Sony (another megacorp almost as evil) made the same stink about mod chips years ago, they just weren't as successful.
I do, for the record, advocate legal use of mod chips like running Linux, but I don't see why we're up in arms about Microsoft trying to stop modders; if Sony could have done the same thing, they would have.
Microsoft would probably rather sell games and game-producing licenses. The profit margin on console systems has always been razor thin, esepecially since the XBox is probably pretty expensive to manufacture. Ford on the other hand makes probably 90% (or greater) of their money by selling their hardware.
I'm surmising from your comments that you're working at a university. University computers generally don't have a person at them constantly like workstations, and I'd say 90% (knowing techs at my college) of the time are used for trivial tasks such as browsing the internet between classes and typing up theses at the last minute. Rarely do they take the abuse that the workstations at my office do (now that I'm on co-op), unless of course you're talking about say clerical workers. In the event that they do (CS labs, IT labs, Media labs, etc.), there are technicians who have a greater domain knowledge of the work being done on them associated with the lab. Also, better schools have tight security enabled so that you *can't* run things like IIS, at some not even AIM. This is not to downplay your job, certainly it is an important one, I just think that in certain businesses, a low workstation-to-support-guy ratio is very warranted.
That is an excellent point, and I didn't mean to be so ethnocentric there. At most of these places, the events of that day were occurring during primetime, and perhaps there was a lot of television coverage at the time.
I mean ok performance degraded on 11/9 but that was the only event I can think of that made the news sites shudder.
..Err, I believe that was the author's intent when he said the next "major world news event". Obviously, that doesn't have to be "the next time that planes crash into buildings in the US, but when in recent times has newsworthy incident happened? Or at least one that draws that level of coverage? The question was not "Can major news sites cover the England vs. Brazil soccer game this weekend?", it was "If a major world event were to happen in the near future, will the current news sites be able to handle it?" The only point of asking at all is the fact that as you even noted, the last time no, they unarguably did not.
Do they have any obligation to serve under high load?
No. If you walk into my store, I have no obligation to sell to you. This becomes a matter of self-appointed corporate responsibility. When it really comes down to the wire, are you about providing the public with vital, up to date information, or are you about providing content to generate revenue? If many of the advertisers' links were slowing up (as was already posted somewhere above), you're not generating all that many more hits, and if they have to click the ad, forget it.
Do we even care? Maybe the radio is a better source of news sometimes, hell try CNN;)
Do you get cable at work? I don't. I don't have a radio either. This happened when most people were at work, getting ready for work, or on their way to work, most of them probably have internet access, but relatively few have access to cable. Radio is a possibility, but on average probably less ubiquitous in the work place than internet access.
On the one hand they're Microsoft's little bitch and make it hard as hell to buy systems with Windows on them, on the other hand they pull crap like this.
What? Did you mean WITHOUT? If you didn't, then you surely have three hands, because you're talking about three different viewpoints, plus that's just not true. If you did, did you see THIS article? Hmm? Didja?
Also, what's this crap about "crap like this"? I dont' think hosting an OS conference is crap.
And it does it usually within 36 hours of power-on.
Then you are doing something SEVERELY wrong. Also core dumps are different than crashes, and I'm sure you know this well. The whole point of protected memory is that situations that cause core dumps don't bring down the system, Windows is STILL struggling with that concept (though certainly the NT kernel handles this amazingly better than the 98 series).
What is the criteria to be classified as enabling disclosures?
For instance, if I have prior documentation on how to build a time machine out of a 1985 DeLorean, and just sorta fudge a step, scribbling out something about a "flux capacitor"...can I still nullify someone's later patent claim on the aluminum car/time machine? To what degree of detail does the USPO generally require to consider something prior art? Also, if the patent is on something abstract or limited by current technology, who's to say that a prior non-patent-filing claim of art would actually work, or even that the patent claim would work?
It is..but the course is also in Ocean Engineering and Civil & Environmental Engineering. It's more of a general engineering & logic class than anything. Computer Science has its roots in that, agreed. But that is one topic that most colleges teach already. If I were going to MIT it would be both for theory and just as importantly to learn on the bleeding edge of computing technology.
There are twice as many courses in Ocean Engineering(?) as there are in both EE and CS (which is combined, but they are separate topics that I'm interested in, as are most people here). One of them is surely misplaced in both, this course.
I thought that the entire point of the hype of Opteron vs. Itanium was that the Hammer chips had a hardware translater, but Itanium was sticking to straight IA64 on the hardware level...not?
It's not a matter of "point and click" is harder, it's a matter of what to point and click on. Some solutions to problems may seem counter-intuitive to a long-time Windows user.
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Please consider the context of the entire thread before trying to correct errors.
As an AC said, Libertarians are NOT, in fact Objectivists. I'm not anti-freedom, and I'm not right wing, I *am* a Libertarian. To that end, I also voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Not because I wanted to see Nader get the presidency (believe me, I saw Jello Biafra speak during his spoken word/sorta campaign tour in 99-2000, I *don't* want him in office [though the Dead Kennedys were rockin]), but because I believe in a true democracy. One without two party, money grubbing systems. Also, it's RaiseTheFist.com, not the first. Please: STOP FANNING THE FLAMES IGNORANCE AND HATRED. If you can't beat your "opponents" without slander and false assumptions, then you can't possibly be any better than they.
And the last time I checked Sun's JVM does not include an Application Server(ie like ASP.NET).
.NET from a development standpoint.
.NET CLR. Granted installing it is trivial, but when the number of workstations is in excess of a few thousand, this becomes a pretty big headache. Also to take note of is that if you've already got a Java devel squad, why switch to .NET? Learning C# wouldn't take that long, sure, but the entire point of .NET is that you can maintain a heterogenous project composed of different languages. If you're not taking advantage of MSIL (MSIL, bytecode, what's the difference?), then why switch to .NET? Ubiquitous runtime environment? Yeah, Java has that. Plus the JVM is ported to other platforms that .NET is not yet. Even when [if] Mono hits primetime, it will be a while until [if] they get Windows.Forms working. Slower runtime than native compiled code? Yeah, they both got that.
Agreed, but the openness of the language and the Java community allows for others to come up with even better solutions. Downloading the J2SE sdk and Tomcat is cheaper than buying Visual Studio
I agree with your first statement, at my work though, we're all running Win2k with IE 5.5, and certainly no
So while we're talking Java, where's the gain?
"*Editor's Note: Now that we've successfully converted our writer to a Windows PC, we will be working on getting her to try a Pocket PC. Stay tuned for more developments!"
I can only imagine how great a product must be that it takes them 8 years to convince their own writers to use their products in house! I'm betting we'll see her convert by 2034. Who's in?
Is there any verification that FortKnox isn't just a made up name? If it isn't, it's scary people would confuse real media personalities with fake personas (have you turned your television on lately)?
Honestly, I take him as a fake. Sure, Microsoft did a better job faking people, but it's not that special. Look at Max Headroom, he revolutionized the fake person gig.
"Despite the intense battle surrounding the open source, the NSA will
still fund research on secure operating systems based on Linux as well as
work with US companies to create better security in their own operating
systems."
Reading the Whole Thing, as usual, gives you perspective one the whole story.
That's kind of funny, I was reading their distribution's web site news (which goes back to Dec. 2000), and I didn't see any mention of that, though I did see mention of work being done on integrating with Linux 2.5, posted in late August. How odd, no one must have told them that the project ended, according to your comment.
Because, ya know, installing the ubiquitous productivity suite made by the same software company as the operating system it runs on sounds like stacking the decks to me!
I find it both amusing and disturbing that as I read that article about a man playing with his phone, CNN.com put up a giant banner ad telling me how cool it would be to pay to get CNN headlines on my mobile device and essentially...play with my phone.
why would you want to buy your hardware and software from a specific vendor? Sure it might work better
You answered your own question. Please see another product solutions manufacturer for more details.
I gotcha. I split rent with another guy for $350 a month. Could I pay mortgage on a house for $350 a year? Possibly. On the big if that I could, it would either be a disgusting place, or I'd be paying off the house for the next 200 years.
Do people pay $1500 in rent? Yeah, cities are a nightmare rent costs. Are you better off buying a house in the 'burbs? Yeah, if that's your thing and you don't have money to burn.
And I really hate the fact that even if I sell my house for exactly what I paid for it, I will still come out at least 15% ahead.
Err, well, you must live in a different world than me. If I sell the house for exactly what I paid for it,
Real estate and houses in general are skyrocketing. Everyone seems to need to feel that what they're investing in is the "next big thing"; at current that's real estate (remember the 2000 dot-com's?). You are exactly right in all of your comments, but I think that the intent of the original poster's downplaying the investment that houses are is that the cost of a house today (especially in some areas) is *MUCH* more than it was a few years ago, and much more than it will be in a few years.
...is for Generation ICUP.
You are absolutely right. I think it's funny how the other reply to my comment was modded insightful when really think about it: NO ONE HAS EVER MADE MUCH MONEY (if any) SELLING CONSOLES. No consumer wants to buy a console for $600 (that's why about 8 games were ever sold for the NeoGeo a bunch of years back), so they have to cut prices to just above even, if that. Both the XBox and PS2 dropped $100 in price recently and you can't tell me that that was all profit money. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are doing so well in revenues generated by their consoles, that's why they sell licenses to make games in the first place. We all love to hate Microsoft, but Sony (another megacorp almost as evil) made the same stink about mod chips years ago, they just weren't as successful.
I do, for the record, advocate legal use of mod chips like running Linux, but I don't see why we're up in arms about Microsoft trying to stop modders; if Sony could have done the same thing, they would have.
Microsoft would probably rather sell games and game-producing licenses. The profit margin on console systems has always been razor thin, esepecially since the XBox is probably pretty expensive to manufacture. Ford on the other hand makes probably 90% (or greater) of their money by selling their hardware.
I'm surmising from your comments that you're working at a university. University computers generally don't have a person at them constantly like workstations, and I'd say 90% (knowing techs at my college) of the time are used for trivial tasks such as browsing the internet between classes and typing up theses at the last minute. Rarely do they take the abuse that the workstations at my office do (now that I'm on co-op), unless of course you're talking about say clerical workers. In the event that they do (CS labs, IT labs, Media labs, etc.), there are technicians who have a greater domain knowledge of the work being done on them associated with the lab. Also, better schools have tight security enabled so that you *can't* run things like IIS, at some not even AIM. This is not to downplay your job, certainly it is an important one, I just think that in certain businesses, a low workstation-to-support-guy ratio is very warranted.
That is an excellent point, and I didn't mean to be so ethnocentric there. At most of these places, the events of that day were occurring during primetime, and perhaps there was a lot of television coverage at the time.
I mean ok performance degraded on 11/9 but that was the only event I can think of that made the news sites shudder.
..Err, I believe that was the author's intent when he said the next "major world news event". Obviously, that doesn't have to be "the next time that planes crash into buildings in the US, but when in recent times has newsworthy incident happened? Or at least one that draws that level of coverage? The question was not "Can major news sites cover the England vs. Brazil soccer game this weekend?", it was "If a major world event were to happen in the near future, will the current news sites be able to handle it?" The only point of asking at all is the fact that as you even noted, the last time no, they unarguably did not.
;)
Do they have any obligation to serve under high load?
No. If you walk into my store, I have no obligation to sell to you. This becomes a matter of self-appointed corporate responsibility. When it really comes down to the wire, are you about providing the public with vital, up to date information, or are you about providing content to generate revenue? If many of the advertisers' links were slowing up (as was already posted somewhere above), you're not generating all that many more hits, and if they have to click the ad, forget it.
Do we even care? Maybe the radio is a better source of news sometimes, hell try CNN
Do you get cable at work? I don't. I don't have a radio either. This happened when most people were at work, getting ready for work, or on their way to work, most of them probably have internet access, but relatively few have access to cable. Radio is a possibility, but on average probably less ubiquitous in the work place than internet access.
On the one hand they're Microsoft's little bitch and make it hard as hell to buy systems with Windows on them, on the other hand they pull crap like this.
What? Did you mean WITHOUT? If you didn't, then you surely have three hands, because you're talking about three different viewpoints, plus that's just not true. If you did, did you see THIS article? Hmm? Didja?
Also, what's this crap about "crap like this"? I dont' think hosting an OS conference is crap.
And it does it usually within 36 hours of power-on.
Then you are doing something SEVERELY wrong. Also core dumps are different than crashes, and I'm sure you know this well. The whole point of protected memory is that situations that cause core dumps don't bring down the system, Windows is STILL struggling with that concept (though certainly the NT kernel handles this amazingly better than the 98 series).
What is the criteria to be classified as enabling disclosures?
For instance, if I have prior documentation on how to build a time machine out of a 1985 DeLorean, and just sorta fudge a step, scribbling out something about a "flux capacitor"...can I still nullify someone's later patent claim on the aluminum car/time machine? To what degree of detail does the USPO generally require to consider something prior art? Also, if the patent is on something abstract or limited by current technology, who's to say that a prior non-patent-filing claim of art would actually work, or even that the patent claim would work?
It is..but the course is also in Ocean Engineering and Civil & Environmental Engineering. It's more of a general engineering & logic class than anything. Computer Science has its roots in that, agreed. But that is one topic that most colleges teach already. If I were going to MIT it would be both for theory and just as importantly to learn on the bleeding edge of computing technology.
There are twice as many courses in Ocean Engineering(?) as there are in both EE and CS (which is combined, but they are separate topics that I'm interested in, as are most people here). One of them is surely misplaced in both, this course.
I thought that the entire point of the hype of Opteron vs. Itanium was that the Hammer chips had a hardware translater, but Itanium was sticking to straight IA64 on the hardware level...not?
It's not a matter of "point and click" is harder, it's a matter of what to point and click on. Some solutions to problems may seem counter-intuitive to a long-time Windows user.