And one doesn't drink beer? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't beer mostly water? So, if you drink the beer, aren't you also drinking the water? After all, beer in one sense is just water with carefully chosen additives, is it not? Just FYI, of course.
Because companies deriving large profits from fossil fuels will do whatever it takes to maximize and prolong those profits, everyone else be damned. The better-paid workers and executives can buy clean bottled water from current "known good" sources and presumably can pay for better-ventilated showers.
In all the articles and research, left unsaid is what effects the contaminated water will have on crops and livestock.
Were they anyone else (corps being people, after all), they'd be up for a Darwin award.
And from the article, it was an un-named rival in the ad space that spurred the investigation. The article also specifically said that Microsoft was not a party asking for the investigation. For what all that's worth, of course, but I see no need to look behind the curtain when what's on stage is clear enough.
From what I saw on the site, it's tantalizing. You're right, it's not finished, and I didn't get a real specific idea of any finished 'art spaces' but it still might be good for a Saturday's jaunt.
"I think MS really missed the boat with Windows 8, they shouldn't have been targeting the tablet/phone market with it, they should have targeted the living room."
Beauty, man. The all-in-one remote and a full PC in a tablet as well. A perfect gift for the couch potato, to boot.
And as others have said about the new 'Box, when MS yanks the servers, as they did for their music thing, it's gonna be a mess. I think that while it can be seen as an interesting thing to try, it's ultimately a very stupid way to scrape some money out of people that you're eventually going to screw over.
Saying that email requires the same procedure and justifications as now done for snail mail is quite simple; including a few words in existing law might not be thoroughly trivial, but it's near as damn it.
For reasoning in some 'physical' sense, saying that either the server wherein the email lies, or the last slash in a path, acts as an envelope would suffice.
It's just not that complicated. The fact that email is usually plain text does not make it necessary to consider it to be in plain view, because it is not - not until someone sits at a keyboard to find and display it, thus performing a physical act to in effect open an envelope. This compares quite well to existing law, last time I looked at it.
There are several similar projects I've read about recently; each in their own way is interesting for their approach and initial impetus, let alone the engineering.
(One, which I now can't find, was done by a guy at an American university; it was quite large, about the size of a small trashcan and used the guts from existing cameras, While it was a neat project in itself, it was the software he was working on that intrigued me. (My search fu is dead. 45 minutes of using Google to ten pages in didn't show it; searching through two browsers' worth of bookmarks, tags, didn't find it. Also couldn't find his vid on YouTube. Aaargh.))
Anyway, with respect to the article, if they can get the size down and get useful info for nav and seeing things, it'll open new possibilities. Searching for people in collapsed buildings comes to mind, and there are of course all the surveillance uses.
As I was reading the article I saw many references to companies and shareholders; the only reference to customers was regard their perception of the company. Nice priorities. Was time a company understood that with no customers there was no company. Now they presume the presence of plenty of unthinking consumers.
You two make sense (along with a few others), but it's easier for most to play 'he said, she said', while floating along in the shitstream that's left of our heritage on the way to the holding tank.
Never heard of Edward Murrow, I guess. There have always been some papers that played along, and always some papers that never did; most of the good ones - and damn few are left - did what they always did, dug into stuff, looking for dirt to write about to gain subscribers and advertisers. Along the way some very good reporting got done.
It takes some effort today to find those papers, those which can afford to pay reporters to do their jobs, rather than re-phrasing press handouts and blogs, but they are there, you simply have to spend some time casting about and doing some reading.
I never did any of this for a living, only a few classes, and very little of it for a hobby as time allows, only use VirtualBox for my own stuff, having tried several of the other end-user solutions over the past few years. Already got hipped to some neat things I'd not heard of - proxmox, chef, vagrant, ovirt, jenkins, etc. Don't know what OP gets from it, but I have some reading to do.
I'd be interested to see what Gonzalez ends up doing.
From those who really know their stuff, I suppose it's not a hardship to toss off the informative paragraph or two, but I can imagine that it might be nice to get some feedback even so.
My first response halfway through Gonzalez' post was "Oh, yeah, he's an instructor, maybe at a community college, and he's in charge of getting this thing up and running." Next thought, "He's done no homework other than learning the names of some virtualization methods/engines and wants the smart folks on/. to do it for him." Clinched with the last two sentences.
Then, before delving into all the helpful posts thus far, I figured it was also possible he'd done a bit of swotting up and reached the point where he's brain-burnt, confused and maybe over his head. As another here has said, simply trying to use Google to get to sources for decent advice or real infos can be... disheartening.
Finally, since we all plopped out of the womb knowing little more than how to suck, poop, and cry, it's not unreasonable to ask those who might know more, or who've been in the same boat, for any useful info, pointers, advices, which lead him to right here and now.
Now to continue reading, see if anything interesting and useful shows up.
I would say there is something profoundly broken with the general public as well, not mention a few of us here, given that the second titled post leapt to partisan politics via a non sequitur, and the rest weren't much better, each in their own way, although there was at least a valid grammar nazi post. Yay for us.
Add in off-shored/outsourced manufacturing and support, H1Bs, and the loss of, by some estimates, roughly 30% of the manufacturing and some of the other jobs remaining due to robotics and automation.... There are exceptions in some sectors and geographic areas, but for employers across-the-board it's mostly a sellers' market. Especially at the lower end, where people are cheap and easily made, and on up, even given the rise in minimum wage, there's been a downward shift in wage structure in relation to purchasing power even when, overall, taxes are lower compared to twenty and fifty years ago. And even with a smaller percentage of tax payers paying a larger portion of total taxes their net is often higher than before.
Fun times. Please do come visit, for the charm of it.
-- corporate power far outpacing democratic will --
Nailed it. Odd, that; it's essentially a consequence of what Eisenhower (and others) warned us about.
(I've read in several places that one of his speech writers edited his original 'military - industrial - congressional' phrase. It sounds interesting, except the thought of someone talking Ike into doing something against what he considered right doesn't jibe with what I've read of him. So finally, about ten minutes before this post, resorted to Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
- which is a worthy article that I'm part-way through reading.)
Popular labor movement? Seems to me it's rather built in to modern Europe, but I don't see it happening here in the U.S. It looks to me like the population in general is variously too apathetic, cowed, de-moralized, or resigned. As a nation we be goodlife organic labor units. (But I could be just having a bad day.)
I understand re vids, if they are done well. My preference is for text with whatever is needed by way of illustration, be it diagram, pic, or indeed, in-line vid.
From drumsergio's post above it's possible the S-80 didn't float. What is not specified is if all tanks are blown if the sub still has negative buoyancy. Carlo Davis, who wrote the HuffPo piece, strained language to include many nautical terms he thought he knew, all without knowing squat about buoyancy or subs, thus getting every reference wrong.
Hi, J D; I found your post useful because it's informative and well-sourced.
I understand about the added weight (and that buoyancy depends on weight of boat being less than weight of water displaced). If it was known at the time of the modifications that the S-80's hull would need lengthening, for instance, that's one thing. It's another entirely if someone was not keeping track of the weight being added. I'm also curious about what it was that made the more comfortable cabins weigh more.
By floating aids, might that be something in the way of added buoyancy or ballast tanks? Also, I'm curious, are subs still built with negative and safety tanks? And at the risk of intruding, I suggest y'all be careful where the length is added, because sooner or later somebody will come along and want to fill that space. [grin]
Read your post at HuffPo also; didn't do much better there, either. Well, you had to try to set the record straight.
I've long understood freedom to mean doing whatever you want to do. For many it also implies a corollary - to accept responsibility for your actions. You are free to accept either one or both right up until someone relieves you of the burden of those freedoms.
Not sure about that. As in, the jury's not in yet. I think there's more going on but it's more of a hunch than stuff I can readily list. It might include being able to see or make connections between things, or to do so more readily and to more places.
What intrigues me is that as we explore things, as was done in this bit of research, we may find other correlations. The more we have, the better we may be able to usefully define intelligence and do so in a more operative way than we do now. Further, we might be able to distinguish 'flavors' of intelligence. For instance, now we can score in various areas - math, spatial, some language skill, and, yes, pattern matching. But with seeing which areas of brain, and in what manner of use, we'll get a whole added level of possible understanding.
With all that going on*, I'd like to think we could help ourselves work better on real education, help people better develop skills in which their brains are biased towards, better help us all more readily find things we like to do, are good at doing, and can get paid for besides. It also might help end some of the sillier arguments that talk of intelligence so easily fosters.
*Not to mention all the stuff involved with brain structure, pathways, interconnects, chemistry; I suspect some of what we can learn might help construct better, even perhaps real, AI.
'Course, I'm just guessing about all this, but find it interesting nonetheless.
Geek giggles indeed. And props to him for testing the limits of 'unlimited'.
From what I got from the article, what you said is the crux of the matter, and it seems reasonable for Verizon to ask him to get their biz plan.
However, I am continually concerned and angered by the wrong, misleading, lying use of language. When unlimited isn't unlimited, say so. I got a phone in April that advertised unlimited minutes (vox and text) for $25/mo. no contract. Sure, I had the money and paid them, only to find that 'unlimited' meant 4000 minutes. Now that's a lot if minutes, gives me more than two hours a day, which covers my greatly increased use these past months for medical and family stuff. I'm glad to get a good deal. But unlimited it is not.
I understand a bit about the biz, and the advertising, and why things are worded as they are, but to me it doesn't excuse current practice. Somewhere, there should be prominently posted a company's contingencies or exceptions for edge cases, at the least. Simply dropping the word unlimited might be easier for the user, worse for the seller, and it would be right.
Your last line gave me first good laugh of the day, thanks (I haven't seen the movie).
I'd rather have text than video. I get exasperated by sites that want to show you video for everything. If it involves physical methods - assembling a computer from parts, for instance - then yes, show me. Otherwise I prefer to read. By all means include pics and diagrams when useful.
Mach 5 indeed. Sometimes I think of it as Universe on pot for Einstein, and Universe on acid and falling asleep and having weird dreams for QM. (I consumed goodly amount of those way back when; it's not the best comparison maybe, but it's towards the way it looks like to me.)
Still, not having the maths, not spending enough time and effort reading on it, the whole quantum realm gives me a whole place of added wonder to our world, of awe, humble-making, puzzling stuff, lest we get too full of ourselves too soon.
Strict observance of zero-tolerance means two things immediately and one later:
1. Absolute CYA for the adults. 2. Absolutely no thought or judgement needed by those adults. 3. A nation of compliant organic labor units, consumers, voters, and cannon fodder.
Some have pointed out that one problem is the number of lawyers involved in politics or another stemming from 9/11. Yes, they have an effect, but this trend started long before.
Between a third and a half of all congress people have been lawyers or those with formal knowledge of law. By itself that has not been an over-riding problem.
Consider that many of the Founders practiced law, had formal education in law, or read deeply of it. The difference is that most read widely and deeply of the classics, natural philosophy and economics. They discussed what they had read, and applied their reading to the world they lived in. Today? Not so much. (By '77 less than half of American adults read any books at all. With congress critters it's higher, but not by much.
My parents' generation in high school were required to take at least one year of Latin and often Greek, even in rural schools. Texts were the classics, and class discussions centered around them and the issues inside. By the time I got to high school (class of '65) Latin wasn't even offered (at the time I was glad of it; now, no.)
We've dumbed down education since the war, traded that education for indoctrination, and continue to reap the consequences. As Walt Kelly pointed out in the '50s, "We've met the enemy and he is us."
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"These people sue grandmas and dead people to get settlements"
and printers. http://www.jazzodyssey.com/why-my-printer-received-a-dmca-takedown-notice/
And one doesn't drink beer? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't beer mostly water? So, if you drink the beer, aren't you also drinking the water? After all, beer in one sense is just water with carefully chosen additives, is it not? Just FYI, of course.
*why, oh why...
Because companies deriving large profits from fossil fuels will do whatever it takes to maximize and prolong those profits, everyone else be damned. The better-paid workers and executives can buy clean bottled water from current "known good" sources and presumably can pay for better-ventilated showers.
In all the articles and research, left unsaid is what effects the contaminated water will have on crops and livestock.
Were they anyone else (corps being people, after all), they'd be up for a Darwin award.
And from the article, it was an un-named rival in the ad space that spurred the investigation. The article also specifically said that Microsoft was not a party asking for the investigation. For what all that's worth, of course, but I see no need to look behind the curtain when what's on stage is clear enough.
From what I saw on the site, it's tantalizing. You're right, it's not finished, and I didn't get a real specific idea of any finished 'art spaces' but it still might be good for a Saturday's jaunt.
"I think MS really missed the boat with Windows 8, they shouldn't have been targeting the tablet/phone market with it, they should have targeted the living room."
Beauty, man. The all-in-one remote and a full PC in a tablet as well. A perfect gift for the couch potato, to boot.
And as others have said about the new 'Box, when MS yanks the servers, as they did for their music thing, it's gonna be a mess. I think that while it can be seen as an interesting thing to try, it's ultimately a very stupid way to scrape some money out of people that you're eventually going to screw over.
Saying that email requires the same procedure and justifications as now done for snail mail is quite simple; including a few words in existing law might not be thoroughly trivial, but it's near as damn it.
For reasoning in some 'physical' sense, saying that either the server wherein the email lies, or the last slash in a path, acts as an envelope would suffice.
It's just not that complicated. The fact that email is usually plain text does not make it necessary to consider it to be in plain view, because it is not - not until someone sits at a keyboard to find and display it, thus performing a physical act to in effect open an envelope. This compares quite well to existing law, last time I looked at it.
There are several similar projects I've read about recently; each in their own way is interesting for their approach and initial impetus, let alone the engineering.
(One, which I now can't find, was done by a guy at an American university; it was quite large, about the size of a small trashcan and used the guts from existing cameras, While it was a neat project in itself, it was the software he was working on that intrigued me. (My search fu is dead. 45 minutes of using Google to ten pages in didn't show it; searching through two browsers' worth of bookmarks, tags, didn't find it. Also couldn't find his vid on YouTube. Aaargh.))
Anyway, with respect to the article, if they can get the size down and get useful info for nav and seeing things, it'll open new possibilities. Searching for people in collapsed buildings comes to mind, and there are of course all the surveillance uses.
As I was reading the article I saw many references to companies and shareholders; the only reference to customers was regard their perception of the company. Nice priorities. Was time a company understood that with no customers there was no company. Now they presume the presence of plenty of unthinking consumers.
You two make sense (along with a few others), but it's easier for most to play 'he said, she said', while floating along in the shitstream that's left of our heritage on the way to the holding tank.
"The news has always been spoon fed to us."
Never heard of Edward Murrow, I guess. There have always been some papers that played along, and always some papers that never did; most of the good ones - and damn few are left - did what they always did, dug into stuff, looking for dirt to write about to gain subscribers and advertisers. Along the way some very good reporting got done.
It takes some effort today to find those papers, those which can afford to pay reporters to do their jobs, rather than re-phrasing press handouts and blogs, but they are there, you simply have to spend some time casting about and doing some reading.
And seriously, "weather"?
The simple solution is to fold email into current law so as to enjoy the same protections as snail mail.
so I got to the end, and /.ers stepped up. Nice!
I never did any of this for a living, only a few classes, and very little of it for a hobby as time allows, only use VirtualBox for my own stuff, having tried several of the other end-user solutions over the past few years. Already got hipped to some neat things I'd not heard of - proxmox, chef, vagrant, ovirt, jenkins, etc. Don't know what OP gets from it, but I have some reading to do.
I'd be interested to see what Gonzalez ends up doing.
From those who really know their stuff, I suppose it's not a hardship to toss off the informative paragraph or two, but I can imagine that it might be nice to get some feedback even so.
Gotta step in somewhere.
My first response halfway through Gonzalez' post was "Oh, yeah, he's an instructor, maybe at a community college, and he's in charge of getting this thing up and running." Next thought, "He's done no homework other than learning the names of some virtualization methods/engines and wants the smart folks on /. to do it for him." Clinched with the last two sentences.
Then, before delving into all the helpful posts thus far, I figured it was also possible he'd done a bit of swotting up and reached the point where he's brain-burnt, confused and maybe over his head. As another here has said, simply trying to use Google to get to sources for decent advice or real infos can be... disheartening.
Finally, since we all plopped out of the womb knowing little more than how to suck, poop, and cry, it's not unreasonable to ask those who might know more, or who've been in the same boat, for any useful info, pointers, advices, which lead him to right here and now.
Now to continue reading, see if anything interesting and useful shows up.
I would say there is something profoundly broken with the general public as well, not mention a few of us here, given that the second titled post leapt to partisan politics via a non sequitur, and the rest weren't much better, each in their own way, although there was at least a valid grammar nazi post. Yay for us.
Yes. Yes it is.
Add in off-shored/outsourced manufacturing and support, H1Bs, and the loss of, by some estimates, roughly 30% of the manufacturing and some of the other jobs remaining due to robotics and automation.... There are exceptions in some sectors and geographic areas, but for employers across-the-board it's mostly a sellers' market. Especially at the lower end, where people are cheap and easily made, and on up, even given the rise in minimum wage, there's been a downward shift in wage structure in relation to purchasing power even when, overall, taxes are lower compared to twenty and fifty years ago. And even with a smaller percentage of tax payers paying a larger portion of total taxes their net is often higher than before.
Fun times. Please do come visit, for the charm of it.
-- corporate power far outpacing democratic will --
Nailed it. Odd, that; it's essentially a consequence of what Eisenhower (and others) warned us about.
(I've read in several places that one of his speech writers edited his original 'military - industrial - congressional' phrase. It sounds interesting, except the thought of someone talking Ike into doing something against what he considered right doesn't jibe with what I've read of him. So finally, about ten minutes before this post, resorted to Wikipedia -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
- which is a worthy article that I'm part-way through reading.)
Popular labor movement? Seems to me it's rather built in to modern Europe, but I don't see it happening here in the U.S. It looks to me like the population in general is variously too apathetic, cowed, de-moralized, or resigned. As a nation we be goodlife organic labor units. (But I could be just having a bad day.)
I understand re vids, if they are done well. My preference is for text with whatever is needed by way of illustration, be it diagram, pic, or indeed, in-line vid.
I'll put Event Horizon on the list.
From drumsergio's post above it's possible the S-80 didn't float. What is not specified is if all tanks are blown if the sub still has negative buoyancy. Carlo Davis, who wrote the HuffPo piece, strained language to include many nautical terms he thought he knew, all without knowing squat about buoyancy or subs, thus getting every reference wrong.
I'm about halfway through the Wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80_class
which gives some good information.
Hi, J D; I found your post useful because it's informative and well-sourced.
I understand about the added weight (and that buoyancy depends on weight of boat being less than weight of water displaced). If it was known at the time of the modifications that the S-80's hull would need lengthening, for instance, that's one thing. It's another entirely if someone was not keeping track of the weight being added. I'm also curious about what it was that made the more comfortable cabins weigh more.
By floating aids, might that be something in the way of added buoyancy or ballast tanks? Also, I'm curious, are subs still built with negative and safety tanks? And at the risk of intruding, I suggest y'all be careful where the length is added, because sooner or later somebody will come along and want to fill that space. [grin]
Read your post at HuffPo also; didn't do much better there, either. Well, you had to try to set the record straight.
I've long understood freedom to mean doing whatever you want to do. For many it also implies a corollary - to accept responsibility for your actions. You are free to accept either one or both right up until someone relieves you of the burden of those freedoms.
Not sure about that. As in, the jury's not in yet. I think there's more going on but it's more of a hunch than stuff I can readily list. It might include being able to see or make connections between things, or to do so more readily and to more places.
What intrigues me is that as we explore things, as was done in this bit of research, we may find other correlations. The more we have, the better we may be able to usefully define intelligence and do so in a more operative way than we do now. Further, we might be able to distinguish 'flavors' of intelligence. For instance, now we can score in various areas - math, spatial, some language skill, and, yes, pattern matching. But with seeing which areas of brain, and in what manner of use, we'll get a whole added level of possible understanding.
With all that going on*, I'd like to think we could help ourselves work better on real education, help people better develop skills in which their brains are biased towards, better help us all more readily find things we like to do, are good at doing, and can get paid for besides. It also might help end some of the sillier arguments that talk of intelligence so easily fosters.
*Not to mention all the stuff involved with brain structure, pathways, interconnects, chemistry; I suspect some of what we can learn might help construct better, even perhaps real, AI.
'Course, I'm just guessing about all this, but find it interesting nonetheless.
Geek giggles indeed. And props to him for testing the limits of 'unlimited'.
From what I got from the article, what you said is the crux of the matter, and it seems reasonable for Verizon to ask him to get their biz plan.
However, I am continually concerned and angered by the wrong, misleading, lying use of language. When unlimited isn't unlimited, say so. I got a phone in April that advertised unlimited minutes (vox and text) for $25/mo. no contract. Sure, I had the money and paid them, only to find that 'unlimited' meant 4000 minutes. Now that's a lot if minutes, gives me more than two hours a day, which covers my greatly increased use these past months for medical and family stuff. I'm glad to get a good deal. But unlimited it is not.
I understand a bit about the biz, and the advertising, and why things are worded as they are, but to me it doesn't excuse current practice. Somewhere, there should be prominently posted a company's contingencies or exceptions for edge cases, at the least. Simply dropping the word unlimited might be easier for the user, worse for the seller, and it would be right.
Your last line gave me first good laugh of the day, thanks (I haven't seen the movie).
I'd rather have text than video. I get exasperated by sites that want to show you video for everything. If it involves physical methods - assembling a computer from parts, for instance - then yes, show me. Otherwise I prefer to read. By all means include pics and diagrams when useful.
Mach 5 indeed. Sometimes I think of it as Universe on pot for Einstein, and Universe on acid and falling asleep and having weird dreams for QM. (I consumed goodly amount of those way back when; it's not the best comparison maybe, but it's towards the way it looks like to me.)
Still, not having the maths, not spending enough time and effort reading on it, the whole quantum realm gives me a whole place of added wonder to our world, of awe, humble-making, puzzling stuff, lest we get too full of ourselves too soon.
Maybe. I think. Sorta.
Strict observance of zero-tolerance means two things immediately and one later:
1. Absolute CYA for the adults.
2. Absolutely no thought or judgement needed by those adults.
3. A nation of compliant organic labor units, consumers, voters, and cannon fodder.
Some have pointed out that one problem is the number of lawyers involved in politics or another stemming from 9/11. Yes, they have an effect, but this trend started long before.
Between a third and a half of all congress people have been lawyers or those with formal knowledge of law. By itself that has not been an over-riding problem.
Consider that many of the Founders practiced law, had formal education in law, or read deeply of it. The difference is that most read widely and deeply of the classics, natural philosophy and economics. They discussed what they had read, and applied their reading to the world they lived in. Today? Not so much. (By '77 less than half of American adults read any books at all. With congress critters it's higher, but not by much.
My parents' generation in high school were required to take at least one year of Latin and often Greek, even in rural schools. Texts were the classics, and class discussions centered around them and the issues inside. By the time I got to high school (class of '65) Latin wasn't even offered (at the time I was glad of it; now, no.)
We've dumbed down education since the war, traded that education for indoctrination, and continue to reap the consequences. As Walt Kelly pointed out in the '50s, "We've met the enemy and he is us."