That's all the same. You install a soft that allows the whole world to pop-up everything they want on your computer, you deal with it. But please, don't complain some people are sending you pop-ups!
Well, you seem to forget that you installed M$ MSN Messenger in the first place. You can just get rid of it and no popup will show up anymore. ame problem, same cure. Don't use the software that you don't like.
Oh, and to all the other posts, this is not about popups in a web browser, but a "feature" of MSN messanger.
You, mister, are a cretin. If you think kernel developers spend their time reading slashdot, you are greatly mistaken.
On the other hand, while agreeing with the grand parent on the safety side of the method, it kind of makes your code less readable. So the real issue is: Readability vs. Less chance of making a stupid mistake.
One thing I learned is that you should never sacrifice design and readibility for the sake of something non critical. As I'd put this "advice" in the list of non critical thing, I'll pass. Thanks.
Or better, just go to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers to check if the DVD/CD of your dreams play what you want it to play. It is well known that DVD players had problems reading CD-Rs, problem of wavelength of the laser. Sony is unfortunately one of the last company still producing these.
So you're telling me they will switch all broadcast even if there is only - say - 10% of the end-users equipped?
Dude, everybody knows that's not going to happen unless the market follows! And for the market to follow, they need the user's support, not some NAZI EVIL FLAG!;-)
Don't worry, this will just sign the death of digital TV as we could have known it.
These guys think backward. People want more, not less than whatever they have today. So tomorrow you'll buy a Digital TV and you'll find yourself unable to record your favorite show because of the fscking flag. Then you'll spread the word of wisdom: Don't buy this sh*t! And nobody will shift to this wonderfully restricted technology because it is worse (end-user wise) than what users have today....
Digital TV is dead. The FCC killed it. Will there be a trial?
I'm wondering if this is the start of a corporate only retrenchment of Linux, or just a bump in the road to Linux having a wider desktop share?
It is not a corporate retrenchment. It is not a bump. It is just too soon. Time will come, don't worry, but let's face it: For Mr Joe Dummy, Linux is not comparable to Windows yet. Not as polished, not as finished.
The music industry is finally catching on. They have always been on top of things!!! What are you talking about?
They need to give people rights, not restrictions. How do you want to control people this way??? They are not going to rely on trust, are they? Come on, this is not serious
That is what works. Selling restrictions sounded more fun!
Why should I pay $16 for an album I can't play on my work computer. What is the point of that. Well, because they want you to? Come on, these people would declare themselves as a charity if they could. Don't get mistaken by big cigars and leather seats, these people are really poor. They work for the good of humanity. You should owe them money because you exist, because they produce music, for the benefit of all.
I can download whatever I want for free and play it on my work computer or at home and then burn them to disk....hmmmmm, this isn't rocket science. First, if you do so, you are a thief. A pirate. A terrorist. They could potentially put you in jail forever without trial (based on the patriot act) if they only suspected you on doing such a thing. Sure, the recent lawsuits are just a start. Second, your term "rocket" implies a fast movement that they are certainly unable to achieve. We would know by now...
$.99 is worth the convenience for a song I really want, but the price must come down if they expect me to buy songs to hear them once and throw them in the trash. Do you know throwing away a piece of art that they sell could be considered as a felony? Watch your words!
I will pay $.25 for mediocrity. Well, good for them!!!!
But they will have to pay me listen to some of their crap. Don't count on it. Have you ever seen a charity giving money away?
A root exploit is usually caused by a buffer overrun
Thanks, I know. The point I'm trying to make is that there is A LOT of root exploits for linux (and its daemons, drivers et al). A lot of systems out there are not necessarily patched accordingly, because some lazy sysadmins might rely on the fact that their network or computer is behind a firewall, or just because they are too busy to patch their Linux servers/workstations every other week. A virus coming from Javascript flaw, an email attachment or anything else could very easily use one of these to gain root access. Granted, it is still more complex than in a windows environment.
Back to my point, why would a virus want to gain root access? In some cases, I can think of some need, but in most situations, like trojans, DDoS viruses, etc... The virus is happy just running, it doesn't necessarly need any specific privilege to proliferate on a network through a smart scan of the address book and the network paths attached to the computer.
For the speed at which MS patch their security holes, I don't really think Linux has anything to say over Microsoft. They might be slower on some cases, but they are faster on some others, and are generally very good. This is of course to be moderated by the fact that the inherent flaws in Windows will never be patched of course...
But to get back to my original point, which was to compare Konqueror to IE, I still don't think anyone has enough information to assert anything about the security holes in Konqueror vs. IE. It might be harder for a virus to gain root access with Konqueror, but that has nothing to do with Konqueror, it is derived from the underlying OS.
1) ok, but if there is a root exploit, there is room for a virus to use it. 2) You limit your own definition of a virus to: A program that will get the root privilege. We've seen recently a bunch of viruses whose only purpose was to share/download files from the internet. Whether it is for DDoS or sharing child porn, these kind of viruses doesn't need a root privilege and I don't see how the so called "UNIX architecture" is protecting the end user against that, so if you can enlighten me...
At least the machine is not screwed you'll tell me, but only the user space. sure, the virus is still there up and running however.
Because it's harder for a cracker to write a virus for Linux than for Windows
It seems to me root exploits are more than occasional under Linux these days. Warnings & patches are issued at approx the same rate as under windows. That has to mean something.
To get back to the subject, Konqueror, do you really think some crackers has already tried to write a virus for this marginal web browser? What exactly would be the point? Crash a 100 browsers? Whan you can write a virus for IE and crash 1 million in a few hours!!!
Let's make my point clear. I don't know if Konqueror is more or less secure than IE, but obviouly, so far, very few have tried to exploit it, so I guess nobody knows.
Very true, but I think the number of responsible citizens is greater than the number of irresponsible citizens
The "side effect" of having free weapons is pointed out by a minority of people, not by the majority. Look at Irak, they're in a deep shit because a few irakis doesn't like them. But these Irakis have weapons, so their minority makes a lot of damage.
Also, if you ban guns
In France, guns are not legal. That works pretty well. First, thieves - even if they have guns - are less likely to fire because they know that you don't have one, so they won't have to shoot you because they don't believe you can shoot them. Second, sure, you can kill with other weapons. But that makes it difficult to go to school and kill 20 of your friends "Matrix like" with a knife, doesn't it?
Guns have a useful purpose too: Hunting, sport, and self defense
Well, agreed for the first two. Self-Defense???? My god, this is scary. When you are in a position to use your gun as self defense, you are likely to be in a high level of stress, very likely to make a mistake. Is that the best way to use a gun? Knowing that the guy in front of you most likely have one too?
"Fun to shoot" is fine to me. Go do that in some place where it is controlled. I'm just fine with it. Same as you can't run a Formula-1 on an average road. Dangerous stuff should be confined.
The only way for you to get my gun is to use a gun... to take guns away from responsible citizens
If you are a responsible citizen, I am sure you will comply with the law if ever such a law were to be applicable.
Anyways, you are stupid. Communism as implemented by the russians and others may be evil, but there is still some stuff about it that seems to have pretty interesting applications.
I don't even know why I take some of my precious time to respond to your post...
Dude, time has nothing to do with the problem here. When someone download the latest EMINEM album from the net, Copyright laws could be 2 years that the downloader would still violate copyright...
The problem is that if you start breaking the laws that doesn;t please you (by pirating songs on the net is one example) you start to dismiss the legal system as a whole. Which law can/should I break?
achieve the level of Solaris or IRIX in this regard. Hell, even Linux or FreeBSD
Hmmm, having worked for a while on an Onyx station, I can tell you that in my mind, IRIX is by FAR the worst unix of all I know in terms of stability.
I was just working at the time on a automatic reconstruction of lanscape with stereo aerial images, and the scene we were trying to render did hold a couple of million triangles with full texturing.
From the story: and so said people are easily bullied., and from your post: it's for a good cause
So now, you can rip people off, violate copyright, and all, and after all that, you're still the good cause? You are bullied when legitimate copyright holder sues you?
What's going on guys!!!?!? When you violate copyright, you expose yourself to some consequences, deal with it!
The point is that is supposed to be for a home network, so even a 10mn downtime around 2AM shouldn't be a problem! But thanks for the info, I'll have a look!
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I think we should have some say in how our money is spent
You do. That's what elections are for. You elect the people that are going to spend your tax money.
That's all the same. You install a soft that allows the whole world to pop-up everything they want on your computer, you deal with it. But please, don't complain some people are sending you pop-ups!
The new trend is "Lightweight" popups, DHTML layers. There is no popup blocker for those and will never be. Works like a charm!
Well, you seem to forget that you installed M$ MSN Messenger in the first place. You can just get rid of it and no popup will show up anymore. ame problem, same cure. Don't use the software that you don't like.
Oh, and to all the other posts, this is not about popups in a web browser, but a "feature" of MSN messanger.
You, mister, are a cretin. If you think kernel developers spend their time reading slashdot, you are greatly mistaken.
On the other hand, while agreeing with the grand parent on the safety side of the method, it kind of makes your code less readable. So the real issue is: Readability vs. Less chance of making a stupid mistake.
One thing I learned is that you should never sacrifice design and readibility for the sake of something non critical. As I'd put this "advice" in the list of non critical thing, I'll pass. Thanks.
Or better, just go to http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers to check if the DVD/CD of your dreams play what you want it to play. It is well known that DVD players had problems reading CD-Rs, problem of wavelength of the laser. Sony is unfortunately one of the last company still producing these.
they don't understand what that freedom is
;-)
Well, seems natural, since there is less freedom
So you're telling me they will switch all broadcast even if there is only - say - 10% of the end-users equipped?
;-)
Dude, everybody knows that's not going to happen unless the market follows! And for the market to follow, they need the user's support, not some NAZI EVIL FLAG!
Don't worry, this will just sign the death of digital TV as we could have known it.
These guys think backward. People want more, not less than whatever they have today.
So tomorrow you'll buy a Digital TV and you'll find yourself unable to record your favorite show because of the fscking flag. Then you'll spread the word of wisdom: Don't buy this sh*t! And nobody will shift to this wonderfully restricted technology because it is worse (end-user wise) than what users have today....
Digital TV is dead. The FCC killed it. Will there be a trial?
I'm wondering if this is the start of a corporate only retrenchment of Linux, or just a bump in the road to Linux having a wider desktop share?
It is not a corporate retrenchment. It is not a bump. It is just too soon. Time will come, don't worry, but let's face it: For Mr Joe Dummy, Linux is not comparable to Windows yet. Not as polished, not as finished.
The music industry is finally catching on.
They have always been on top of things!!! What are you talking about?
They need to give people rights, not restrictions.
How do you want to control people this way??? They are not going to rely on trust, are they? Come on, this is not serious
That is what works.
Selling restrictions sounded more fun!
Why should I pay $16 for an album I can't play on my work computer. What is the point of that.
Well, because they want you to? Come on, these people would declare themselves as a charity if they could. Don't get mistaken by big cigars and leather seats, these people are really poor. They work for the good of humanity. You should owe them money because you exist, because they produce music, for the benefit of all.
I can download whatever I want for free and play it on my work computer or at home and then burn them to disk....hmmmmm, this isn't rocket science.
First, if you do so, you are a thief. A pirate. A terrorist. They could potentially put you in jail forever without trial (based on the patriot act) if they only suspected you on doing such a thing. Sure, the recent lawsuits are just a start.
Second, your term "rocket" implies a fast movement that they are certainly unable to achieve. We would know by now...
$.99 is worth the convenience for a song I really want, but the price must come down if they expect me to buy songs to hear them once and throw them in the trash.
Do you know throwing away a piece of art that they sell could be considered as a felony? Watch your words!
I will pay $.25 for mediocrity.
Well, good for them!!!!
But they will have to pay me listen to some of their crap.
Don't count on it. Have you ever seen a charity giving money away?
So that's it:
1. Find what the customers want
2. sell it to them
3. Profit!!!
At last, the end of the 1.2.3. jokes. We found the missing part!!!!
I don't want to sound too mean, but in the story , I read:
The phonomenon, known as "bluejacking".
No verb? What is that?
A root exploit is usually caused by a buffer overrun
Thanks, I know. The point I'm trying to make is that there is A LOT of root exploits for linux (and its daemons, drivers et al). A lot of systems out there are not necessarily patched accordingly, because some lazy sysadmins might rely on the fact that their network or computer is behind a firewall, or just because they are too busy to patch their Linux servers/workstations every other week. A virus coming from Javascript flaw, an email attachment or anything else could very easily use one of these to gain root access. Granted, it is still more complex than in a windows environment.
Back to my point, why would a virus want to gain root access? In some cases, I can think of some need, but in most situations, like trojans, DDoS viruses, etc... The virus is happy just running, it doesn't necessarly need any specific privilege to proliferate on a network through a smart scan of the address book and the network paths attached to the computer.
For the speed at which MS patch their security holes, I don't really think Linux has anything to say over Microsoft. They might be slower on some cases, but they are faster on some others, and are generally very good. This is of course to be moderated by the fact that the inherent flaws in Windows will never be patched of course...
But to get back to my original point, which was to compare Konqueror to IE, I still don't think anyone has enough information to assert anything about the security holes in Konqueror vs. IE. It might be harder for a virus to gain root access with Konqueror, but that has nothing to do with Konqueror, it is derived from the underlying OS.
1) ok, but if there is a root exploit, there is room for a virus to use it.
2) You limit your own definition of a virus to: A program that will get the root privilege. We've seen recently a bunch of viruses whose only purpose was to share/download files from the internet. Whether it is for DDoS or sharing child porn, these kind of viruses doesn't need a root privilege and I don't see how the so called "UNIX architecture" is protecting the end user against that, so if you can enlighten me...
At least the machine is not screwed you'll tell me, but only the user space. sure, the virus is still there up and running however.
Because it's harder for a cracker to write a virus for Linux than for Windows
It seems to me root exploits are more than occasional under Linux these days. Warnings & patches are issued at approx the same rate as under windows. That has to mean something.
To get back to the subject, Konqueror, do you really think some crackers has already tried to write a virus for this marginal web browser? What exactly would be the point? Crash a 100 browsers? Whan you can write a virus for IE and crash 1 million in a few hours!!!
Let's make my point clear. I don't know if Konqueror is more or less secure than IE, but obviouly, so far, very few have tried to exploit it, so I guess nobody knows.
it's a safe bet that Konqueror is much more secure than Internet Explorer
What makes you think so? Because no hacker want to spend days to design a virus for a browser used by 1% of the people on the internet?
Very true, but I think the number of responsible citizens is greater than the number of irresponsible citizens
... to take guns away from responsible citizens
The "side effect" of having free weapons is pointed out by a minority of people, not by the majority. Look at Irak, they're in a deep shit because a few irakis doesn't like them. But these Irakis have weapons, so their minority makes a lot of damage.
Also, if you ban guns
In France, guns are not legal. That works pretty well.
First, thieves - even if they have guns - are less likely to fire because they know that you don't have one, so they won't have to shoot you because they don't believe you can shoot them.
Second, sure, you can kill with other weapons. But that makes it difficult to go to school and kill 20 of your friends "Matrix like" with a knife, doesn't it?
Guns have a useful purpose too: Hunting, sport, and self defense
Well, agreed for the first two. Self-Defense???? My god, this is scary. When you are in a position to use your gun as self defense, you are likely to be in a high level of stress, very likely to make a mistake. Is that the best way to use a gun? Knowing that the guy in front of you most likely have one too?
"Fun to shoot" is fine to me. Go do that in some place where it is controlled. I'm just fine with it. Same as you can't run a Formula-1 on an average road. Dangerous stuff should be confined.
The only way for you to get my gun is to use a gun
If you are a responsible citizen, I am sure you will comply with the law if ever such a law were to be applicable.
What is a Linux Luser ?
Anyways, you are stupid. Communism as implemented by the russians and others may be evil, but there is still some stuff about it that seems to have pretty interesting applications.
I don't even know why I take some of my precious time to respond to your post...
Dude, time has nothing to do with the problem here. When someone download the latest EMINEM album from the net, Copyright laws could be 2 years that the downloader would still violate copyright...
The problem is that if you start breaking the laws that doesn;t please you (by pirating songs on the net is one example) you start to dismiss the legal system as a whole. Which law can/should I break?
achieve the level of Solaris or IRIX in this regard. Hell, even Linux or FreeBSD
Hmmm, having worked for a while on an Onyx station, I can tell you that in my mind, IRIX is by FAR the worst unix of all I know in terms of stability.
I was just working at the time on a automatic reconstruction of lanscape with stereo aerial images, and the scene we were trying to render did hold a couple of million triangles with full texturing.
From the story: and so said people are easily bullied., and from your post: it's for a good cause
So now, you can rip people off, violate copyright, and all, and after all that, you're still the good cause? You are bullied when legitimate copyright holder sues you?
What's going on guys!!!?!? When you violate copyright, you expose yourself to some consequences, deal with it!
486SX Linux box is discovered within a wall, still running, long after the power supply and cpu fans have died
Hmmm. As much as I love and support Linux, I'd be interested to see a linux running on a CPU whose power supply have died.
The point is that is supposed to be for a home network, so even a 10mn downtime around 2AM shouldn't be a problem! But thanks for the info, I'll have a look!