I've rarely read a so naive and ridiculous message. Think about free content that you get everwhere from radios and TV, and think about free-software which is a a new area in software history. Mandrake just makes history, they explore new ways as a company, and maybe you'll understand it, in a century of two.
After inclusion of "PMZ" diff file in this thread, this gives the new 10 Commandments:
1. World Wide Web Consortium is self-proclamed God but nobody matters. 2. Flash is evil, and of the devil. Flash is blaspemy. 3. JavaScript should be used only for the absolutely most trivial functionality. It is best to just not use it at all. 4. Images should be used for illustrative purposes, not to show you found a neat image and *never* as a background. 5. Images should be small and reduced to webpage resolutions. 6. Content shouldn't be laborous to read. Black on white text is the best, but at least always make sure to use contrasting colors. 7. Style sheets should never be used. They simply don't work consistently across browsers. 8. Proprietary HTML add-ons should never even be considered. They just go counter to the principles of the WWW. 9. Do not covet they neighbors hyperlinks. Links should be used in *context* and not in a random listing. Don't say "you can find a link about greyhound adoption *here*." Instead, write either "There is a lot of information about *greyhound adoption*" or "*Greyhound Puppies Inc* has a lot of information about greyhound adoption." All of this results in a page more useable by non-traditional browsers. (see number 1) 10. If you change the color of links, you should make sure that the default colors (blue, purple, red) will show up on your site. Another reason not to use picture backgrounds. Also, don't ever *ever* reverse the color scheme... cool (blue-like) colors for unvisited links, purple or red-like (hot) colors for visited links.
And I'd like to introduce a #11 and a #12 commandments:
11. Never use frames. 12. One distinct URL per page.
You are right, it was in may/june 1999. Actually only Mandrake 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 were based on Red Hat. Mandrakes 6.0, 6.1, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1 weren't and I would be surprised if the coming Mandrake 8.2 was based on RH!:-)
I'm amazed that RMS can honestly think that unifying themes under GNOME and KDE is a need. Users like diversity although it happens that somebody can think that Linux needs Windows or Mac uniformity (which is just what Microsoft & Apple decided for their users, not the users request). So what's the point in unifying themes? Well.. what do users need? Applications. Want to program a Linux app? Okay... do you use Qt? Do you use kdelibs? do you use Gtk+? or Gnome-libs? Or a scripting language? or X11? I mean, first we have to say officially, well, the _LSB_ has to decide:
- either KDE or GNOME or any other graphical environment is Linux default
- or KDE *and* GNOME and maybe others are the default
- or use X11
Users wants GRAPHICAL APPLICATIONS, so PLEASE release SPECS and STANDARDS so programmers, and eventually software companies can write Linux apps. This is a real issue, but please do not whine at desktop appearance, the need is in standardization, even if we have to standardize TWO graphical environments because Miguel De Icaza and Richard Stallman once thought it was a better idea to start a new project and fight KDE instead of trying to arrange things first or push all the energy in a Qt replacement (rembember harmony?). Well, I'm litteraly stressed by such info. Sorry for the tone of my message.
"HP to support Mandrake Linux on desktops
By Matthew Broersma
ZDNet (UK)
January 30, 2002, 11:00 AM PT
France's MandrakeSoft has teamed up with Hewlett-Packard in the open source camp's latest foray into the desktop PC market. The agreement, announced on Tuesday ahead of the LinuxWorld Expo, will see HP build and promote Mandrake Linux-based desktop PCs for European and North American businesses.
Linux is based on an open source license that prevents any one company from owning the software, and competes against Microsoft's dominant Windows operating system, which is kept under tight proprietary control. So far, however, Linux has mainly succeeded in the server market, where ease-of-use is less important than reliability and performance.
The HP deal aims to address some of the problems that have prevented desktop users from adopting Linux, such as the lack of technical support.
Mandrake Linux will be certified on all of HP's business PCs, and will be offered in a premium package that includes telephone, on-site and remote support. MandrakeSoft is to provide technical support for HP's teams, according to the companies. The PCs will also be available without support.
"This alliance is a testament to HP's strong commitment in Linux market," said Eric Rueda, software marketing manager of HP Business Desktops division, in a statement.
Other companies have tried selling Linux on desktops in the past. Dell stopped offering Red Hat Linux on its desktop and notebook PCs last autumn, citing lack of demand, but says there is more potential for the software on servers and workstations."
To notice that Mandrake, which is the most internationalized Linux distribution in the world, is not part of the li18nux initiative.
Also strange to notice that the logo used at li18nux website ressembles much to the one used for years at Mandrake's i18n main page! Anybody knows why Mdk is not part of the li18nux initiative?
This is funny to watch the Red Hat/Mandrake couple synergia with constantly one taking ideas to the other to progress; remember: Mandrake was the first to provide ISO images, Red Hat did the same soon after, Mandrake was the first to include a remote update tool, Red Hat did the same soon after, Red Hat was the first to offer online services, Mandrake did the same soon after... This is a very nice example of good competition.
One can read many stories about Linux ready as a UNIX replacement or NT replacement, and that doesn't mean it's not ready. I think you don't deserve your "Score:3".
As far as I know, there were more than 30 different nationalities represented inside Mandrakesoft in 2000/2001. Furthermore, I know that internal language for communication inside Mandrakesoft is English because only half the company can speak French.
I just want to tell people that "Mandrake is great in the eyes of many people it isn't a real distrib. I'm sure these days they do all their packaging but lets not forget where they started - a hacked RedHat install." is rather untrue. Mandrake is now totally Red Hat-independant, has its own install (written from scratch in perl-gtk), and has not the same packages. Please don't provide false informations.
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Does it come with Mandrake 8.1 in dual boot?
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That would be a nice combination and a real pleasure to compare the two best graphically-Unices in this world running on the same machine:-)
I think it's easy to understand what happened:
- Mandrake has gained much popularity in 1999/2000 and so attracted VCs that pushed Mandrakesoft to have great expenses for nothing in return (for instance the e-Learning adventure, the expensive so-called "international management team")
- MandrakeSoft always claimed they wouldn't be profitable before 2002/2003 because they always focused on expending user base instead of being "break-even". They achieved this goal (I really see them becoming number1 distro in userbase very soon). Going back mid-2000 in Europe, it was not chocking to have such an expensive strategy because it was easy to get money from VCs.
And now? Since 5 months they started to adapt their strategy to be profitable sooner than expected:
- capitalize on their large user base to earn more money (better gross margin on products and goodies sold at Mandrakestore, Mandrake Club subscriptions...)
- get their products more business-oriented and sell traditional support & services.
Really I see MandrakeSoft's strategy as a very well conducted strategy: who would have bet 3 years ago that Mandrake Linux would become near top#1 distro in 2002??? Nobody.
Now there are past financial results of the past strategy, let's wait for the new results with the new direction.
Mandrake Linux manuals:
http://www.mandrake.com/en/doc/81/en/ref.html/fore word.html#LEGAL Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation[...]
There is a website for all people like you here who hate Frenches, it's called http://www.fuckfrance.com, it's your home baby. But please let me say it once, because really I can't resist anymore when reading all those comments like yours: US Citizen, you sux hard. Vive Concorde, vive Airbus, vive Ariane, vive St Emillion, vive la qualité de la vie.
More information about the very new Mandrake Gaming Edition with The Sims seems to be available here and pre-orders seem to be opened at MandrakeStore. Just wanted to let you know because I find this stuff extremely _cool_:-)
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I've rarely read a so naive and ridiculous message. Think about free content that you get everwhere from radios and TV, and think about free-software which is a a new area in software history. Mandrake just makes history, they explore new ways as a company, and maybe you'll understand it, in a century of two.
1. World Wide Web Consortium is self-proclamed God but nobody matters.
2. Flash is evil, and of the devil. Flash is blaspemy.
3. JavaScript should be used only for the absolutely most trivial functionality. It is best to just not use it at all.
4. Images should be used for illustrative purposes, not to show you found a neat image and *never* as a background.
5. Images should be small and reduced to webpage resolutions.
6. Content shouldn't be laborous to read. Black on white text is the best, but at least always make sure to use contrasting colors.
7. Style sheets should never be used. They simply don't work consistently across browsers.
8. Proprietary HTML add-ons should never even be considered. They just go counter to the principles of the WWW.
9. Do not covet they neighbors hyperlinks. Links should be used in *context* and not in a random listing. Don't say "you can find a link about greyhound adoption *here*." Instead, write either "There is a lot of information about *greyhound adoption*" or "*Greyhound Puppies Inc* has a lot of information about greyhound adoption." All of this results in a page more useable by non-traditional browsers. (see number 1)
10. If you change the color of links, you should make sure that the default colors (blue, purple, red) will show up on your site. Another reason not to use picture backgrounds. Also, don't ever *ever* reverse the color scheme... cool (blue-like) colors for unvisited links, purple or red-like (hot) colors for visited links.
And I'd like to introduce a #11 and a #12 commandments:
11. Never use frames.
12. One distinct URL per page.
I just want to say I agree.
You are right, it was in may/june 1999. Actually only Mandrake 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 were based on Red Hat. Mandrakes 6.0, 6.1, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1 weren't and I would be surprised if the coming Mandrake 8.2 was based on RH! :-)
"For example, I would love Konsole in Gnome and Galeon in KDE..."
Did you... ever try Mandrake? I think your dream has been a reality for a while.
I'm amazed that RMS can honestly think that unifying themes under GNOME and KDE is a need. Users like diversity although it happens that somebody can think that Linux needs Windows or Mac uniformity (which is just what Microsoft & Apple decided for their users, not the users request). So what's the point in unifying themes? Well.. what do users need? Applications. Want to program a Linux app? Okay... do you use Qt? Do you use kdelibs? do you use Gtk+? or Gnome-libs? Or a scripting language? or X11? I mean, first we have to say officially, well, the _LSB_ has to decide:
- either KDE or GNOME or any other graphical environment is Linux default
- or KDE *and* GNOME and maybe others are the default
- or use X11
Users wants GRAPHICAL APPLICATIONS, so PLEASE release SPECS and STANDARDS so programmers, and eventually software companies can write Linux apps. This is a real issue, but please do not whine at desktop appearance, the need is in standardization, even if we have to standardize TWO graphical environments because Miguel De Icaza and Richard Stallman once thought it was a better idea to start a new project and fight KDE instead of trying to arrange things first or push all the energy in a Qt replacement (rembember harmony?). Well, I'm litteraly stressed by such info. Sorry for the tone of my message.
I'm pretty sure HP ships Mandrake, not Red Hat:
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-826283.html
"HP to support Mandrake Linux on desktops
By Matthew Broersma
ZDNet (UK)
January 30, 2002, 11:00 AM PT
France's MandrakeSoft has teamed up with Hewlett-Packard in the open source camp's latest foray into the desktop PC market. The agreement, announced on Tuesday ahead of the LinuxWorld Expo, will see HP build and promote Mandrake Linux-based desktop PCs for European and North American businesses.
Linux is based on an open source license that prevents any one company from owning the software, and competes against Microsoft's dominant Windows operating system, which is kept under tight proprietary control. So far, however, Linux has mainly succeeded in the server market, where ease-of-use is less important than reliability and performance.
The HP deal aims to address some of the problems that have prevented desktop users from adopting Linux, such as the lack of technical support.
Mandrake Linux will be certified on all of HP's business PCs, and will be offered in a premium package that includes telephone, on-site and remote support. MandrakeSoft is to provide technical support for HP's teams, according to the companies. The PCs will also be available without support.
"This alliance is a testament to HP's strong commitment in Linux market," said Eric Rueda, software marketing manager of HP Business Desktops division, in a statement.
Other companies have tried selling Linux on desktops in the past. Dell stopped offering Red Hat Linux on its desktop and notebook PCs last autumn, citing lack of demand, but says there is more potential for the software on servers and workstations."
For your information, you are wrong.
For your information, Mandrake Linux 8.1 has the same autodetect mechanism at boot time.
To notice that Mandrake, which is the most internationalized Linux distribution in the world, is not part of the li18nux initiative.
Also strange to notice that the logo used at li18nux website ressembles much to the one used for years at Mandrake's i18n main page! Anybody knows why Mdk is not part of the li18nux initiative?
Don't whine: I'm the author of the story and I'm not sure my Karma gets boosted for that :->
So you have to pay me... How much can you? :-)
This is funny to watch the Red Hat/Mandrake couple synergia with constantly one taking ideas to the other to progress; remember: Mandrake was the first to provide ISO images, Red Hat did the same soon after, Mandrake was the first to include a remote update tool, Red Hat did the same soon after, Red Hat was the first to offer online services, Mandrake did the same soon after... This is a very nice example of good competition.
One can read many stories about Linux ready as a UNIX replacement or NT replacement, and that doesn't mean it's not ready. I think you don't deserve your "Score:3".
As far as I know, there were more than 30 different nationalities represented inside Mandrakesoft in 2000/2001. Furthermore, I know that internal language for communication inside Mandrakesoft is English because only half the company can speak French.
Mandrake is absolutely not based on RedHat anymore. They splitted from RH definately with Mandrake 6.0, that was in 1999.
I just want to tell people that "Mandrake is great in the eyes of many people it isn't a real distrib. I'm sure these days they do all their packaging but lets not forget where they started - a hacked RedHat install." is rather untrue. Mandrake is now totally Red Hat-independant, has its own install (written from scratch in perl-gtk), and has not the same packages. Please don't provide false informations.
Not a troll actually.
That would be a nice combination and a real pleasure to compare the two best graphically-Unices in this world running on the same machine :-)
I think it's easy to understand what happened:
- Mandrake has gained much popularity in 1999/2000 and so attracted VCs that pushed Mandrakesoft to have great expenses for nothing in return (for instance the e-Learning adventure, the expensive so-called "international management team")
- MandrakeSoft always claimed they wouldn't be profitable before 2002/2003 because they always focused on expending user base instead of being "break-even". They achieved this goal (I really see them becoming number1 distro in userbase very soon). Going back mid-2000 in Europe, it was not chocking to have such an expensive strategy because it was easy to get money from VCs.
And now? Since 5 months they started to adapt their strategy to be profitable sooner than expected:
- capitalize on their large user base to earn more money (better gross margin on products and goodies sold at Mandrakestore, Mandrake Club subscriptions...)
- get their products more business-oriented and sell traditional support & services.
Really I see MandrakeSoft's strategy as a very well conducted strategy: who would have bet 3 years ago that Mandrake Linux would become near top#1 distro in 2002??? Nobody.
Now there are past financial results of the past strategy, let's wait for the new results with the new direction.
It's incredibly nice... (The Sims for Linux)
Mandrake Linux manuals:e word.html#LEGAL
http://www.mandrake.com/en/doc/81/en/ref.html/for
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation[...]
There is a website for all people like you here who hate Frenches, it's called http://www.fuckfrance.com, it's your home baby. But please let me say it once, because really I can't resist anymore when reading all those comments like yours: US Citizen, you sux hard. Vive Concorde, vive Airbus, vive Ariane, vive St Emillion, vive la qualité de la vie.
More information about the very new Mandrake Gaming Edition with The Sims seems to be available here and pre-orders seem to be opened at MandrakeStore. Just wanted to let you know because I find this stuff extremely _cool_ :-)
I never got your issues nor heard anytime of such issues.